Beethoven: Sonata No.32 in C Minor (Pogorelich) 

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No, he composed literally music that is above time.

@@robb6560 Exactly what I had in mind. His late music is atemporal. For example the slow sections of his "Heiliger Dankgesang" are closer to renaissance music than romantic music. After a few months he comes up with the Grosse Fugue, something that sounds like what a composer from the 20th century would compose.

@@Ivan_1791 Well, that's show catagorise music by period isn't the smartest thing, isn't it?

I agree, Ludwig would have soared freely if he could have broken free from the shackles of diminished chords and dominant 7ths needing to tonicize a key. The last 3 sonatas showed he wanted to go there. He did in some of his fugues and late string quartets, exploring free-floating chromaticism which I think is where he was heading.

Lol

Crazy, man, like totally out there.

I just started learning and studying classical music and Beethoven was someone that I always wanted to know better and understand why he is considered such a genius... But man, nobody prepared me for this. Thanks for the comment, it helped me be sure about what I was hearing! What a beautiful art music is!

@@agustinmilano6839 Ain't it the truth? What's really crazy is that no other composer sought to develop that jazziness, until Gershwin came around. As Debussy said (I forget the exact quote) music isn't about theory, but the pleasure it can bring.

True! I thought the same!

Underrated comment 😂😂 (when I first played this for my dad and told him to guess the composer...his first guess really was Gershwin!)

@@maestrobjwa90 lol

@@maestrobjwa90 nice lmao

Lol.

@@maestrobjwa90 I played to some people and they thought it was post-war music lol, or music from the 20's.

Blubaibi33 Isn't it more like ragtime?

And deaf

Beethoven is a lot more recent than you think he might be, he wrote this sonata only about 75 years before Scott Joplin wrote his Maple Leaf Rag which is considered the birth of ragtime/jazz. Still impressive that Beethoven was 75 years ahead of his time, but nowhere near 100s of years.

@@shehannanayakkara4162 Yes and S. Joplin considered himself in the classical camp not jazz.

@@shehannanayakkara4162 about one lifetime, or in other words one Verdi

Late Beethoven is the keystone between Romanticism and Modernism.

In one sense - because the romantic era followed, I would agree. But in another sense, the issue for many following composers was that Beethoven pushed things so far ahead they struggled to find a way to follow. The Romantic movement, in that sense, was a bit of a side-step and then a rather different path that would take decades to converge,

@Andrea Murrone ...just after Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Full stop.🤗

@@vittoriomarano8230 cap

@@Trooman20 nah, it's true. Beethoven stands on the shoulder of Mozart and Haydn (moreso Mozart).

Egemen Sezgin yeah, but the first note of the first sonata is c ;-)

@Charlemagne f minor arpeggio going upward. Yep, ye haft mentioned it. I haft deleteth my previous comments.

@Charlemagne Oof

No. First sonata is Fm

@@leemotosuwa as explained, the first note is C

I think it's probably you that's changed.

Drew Guy It makes sense to me. A lot of people who listen to his earlier sonatas and then listened to Beethoven progress and become more abstract and complex in his later years have an easier time going through sonata to sonata. You start noticing subtle differences, and eventually they have transformed into something beyond our comprehension.

TOO WRONG ....

It’s as we grow older that the last 3 sonatas become something else. If they do so then WE have aged well, grown into a deep and wonderful, perfectly beautiful understanding. We are blessed by the gods of music.

@LeftRight “Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Rach boi

I also noticed how clearly this fugue part sounds in the hands of Pogorelich. I think this is the best performance.

I agree with you in general . I would just add a few of his other pieces in there because this piece doesn’t capture those emotions. He wrote more beautifully and ethereally in other works….Sonata 31, String Quartet #14….etc

Yes, perhaps my statement was a little sweeping. I was speaking in the context of thinking about piano works. But I don't want to exhaust all the joys of Beethoven to soon, and I'm still saving the famous quartets and Diabelli variations for the future. I rarely listen to these gems, because when I do, I want that sublime rediscovery.

Neil. How can one listen to this music and still be an atheist? Take a listen to From Bacteria to Beethoven on RU-vid.

@@georgebreidenthal725 Thanks George. I will take a listen.

@@georgebreidenthal725 I am an atheist and I have been living with this sonata for more than forty years, more precisely with this particular rendition of op.111. Pogorelić is perfect ( this was released in 1982 when he was only 24 years old, pretty amazing if you think about it) and this is Beethoven 's testamentary work. So, yes, I can feel this music is sublime. I don't need religion to help me recognize what's inside of every conscious, thinking and deeply emotional human being. I sincerely hope you understand this, George. Best regards!

yeah

You mean "shaking trills"? Sorry.

Why?

@@Ivan_1791 with extreme majesty, beethoven made it clear that what he has done has been done and has ended. It gave the greatest emotions that nobody expected in that period. that final chord, as well as the whole last sonata, for me expresses a chapter that ends, a difficult life full of misunderstandings, which however ended divinely thanks to his music. it is a powerful message of hope that he has transmitted, he is now exhausted from the heavy life he has gone through but he has done so with the awareness of having given something magical, divine to the whole world and which can never be forgotten.

gaetanofanelli Wasn’t he composing still after this sonata was created though?

Fdg gothic Yeah he composed some more but not a ton atleast I think. He probably purposefully made this the last piano sonata though

@@fdggothic5015 yes of course he composed other pieces like the memorable 9th symphony, the greatest symphony ever written before.. but practically he finished his life with these compositions.. I think this last sonata was a sign of his end, as if it meant that it was going out and that now all he had to say had said it

Why just a few more? J/K ;)

@@SChristianCollins Heal him and make him immortal

Lived relatively long compared to other composers

To be fair, he knew this would be his last piano sonata (he felt that the instrument constrained him, which is why he transitioned towards string quartets and symphonies. This was written several years before his death. None of this is to say I wouldn't kill to hear his tenth symphony, of course.

@@santiagol365 True.

Top hat curly 'stache villain kinda sound

No, it's Palestrina.

Chenluo Family no, it's 50 Cent

Ludwig van Beethoven wait, that true? It s from Palestrina?

*Slowly sighs in disappointment*

No, this is Patrick.

I think Pogo butchers the rhythm, ruins the continuity by too much tempo and dynamics changing. Romantic style influenced pianists are always trying to bleed meaning from the music by stopping, lingering, trying to be "poetic." These last three Beethoven Sonatas, absolutely sublime in their perfection don't need their terse elegance ruined by such performances.

@@oomphlau to play a wrong note Is insignificant, to play without passion Is inexcusable. L.V. Beethoven

@@oomphlau its ok if you like a less romantic interpretation but for me Beethoven Is all about expression, and the interpreter takes a major role in that.

@@marcossidoruk8033 People need to stop overusing that god damn quote everywhere it isn't needed

@@oomphlau This comment nails it. The romantics mostly considered themselves followers of the classical composers, not “romantics”. So many performances butcher the music with rubato.

It sounds kind of like Mozart's Turkish March?

@@liamlakevold2234 definitley not😅

@@liamlakevold2234 no? 😂😂

@@liamlakevold2234 What

I've listened to this sonata many times, and never noticed! It is indeed quite similar, good find!

The 31st is better though

disagree

@@lucaslorentz ok

Hammerklavier above everything

@@karoldettlaff5345 nah

invented

That part really isn't jazz or ragtime as many think. It's very rigidly composed, and lacks the improvisatory nature of those later genres. It's part of the larger context of the second movement. Not to sound elitist (those genres have their merits), but I'll quote Sir Andras Schiff: "This is the most spiritual music of the most spiritual composer...let us not speak of banalities."

@@spacebanana5000 lol I just thought it kinda sounds like ragtime 🤣

@@spacebanana5000 Ragtime, or at least Scott Joplin’s works, was also very rigidly composed and involved no improvisation.

He time travelled and met up with Scott Joplin real quick and as a result of his time travelling, he was forced to lose his hearing

I'll just say Daniel Thrasher? Cause no one else did and I feel bad

You and boogie beethoven get down here right this instant!

@@koreboredom4302 I can't papa I'm floating on jazz

I go by papa b now

@@ludhannsebastivanbachthove4987 your name papa b lmaooooooo

@@JuanSantos-yq1jn I imitate other musicians. Therefore by this word I am an idiot... What?! Stravinsky you big bully

Exactly how anyone would imagine Beethoven jazz to sound like.

Me too. After the boogie-woogie, I can only say that it is Beethoven's most intimate, warm, and delicate piano music ever written. Those trills at the final variation is just indescribably beautiful. Can't stop the tears from flowing there.

What wonderful insight you have expressed. Thank you. For me, the music itself says it all - I have nothing worthy to add, other to suggest that anybody not aware of this piece of music is in for the treat of his or her life exploring this side of Beethoven's creativity. Treat this as a genuine portal to the world of his Piano Sonatas Opp 101 - 111 and his String Quartets Opp 127 - 135. This is a superb recording, thank you.

I pretty much already know some idiot is going to take this seriously lmfao

😂😂

@@taranmellacheruvu2504 I am actually 14 and the second movement is sooo good.

You're right!

He was ahead of his time

@@Noah-wv4td LMAOO

Beethoven does boogie woogie.

@@underzog or vice versa.

Human soul

Sonatas - no apostrophe.

+wintonian I completely agree with you. Mozart was a prodigy (although Beethoven was too, to some degree), and his genius could not be questioned. In my opinion, however, he treated music more like a craft, of which he was a master, and sought to compose based on the rules and conventions established at the time. Although he had his own unique touch, along with practically perfected the classical style, it took Beethoven to stretch the rules and limits of composition. He made music more personal, and a gateway to his inner self.

+Jonathan Kofi Very well written comment. However, Mozart died at 35, beethoven had an extra 22 years to develop. Even then lots of Mozart's later stuff gets pretty emotional and ahead of its time. Check out fugue in c minor k546

+irishmanonthecan Mozart still couldn't get rid of his habit of putting the repeat sign when you thought a piece was over

what does it have to do anything when you can just ignore the repeat sign pffft also i have a feeling the op is ignorant about mozart, probably only knows his piano sonatas, symhonies and such

One's genius doesn't make another's less great

It’s not jazz or boogie-woogie. You have to hear this music with classical era ears. It’s not him predicting boogie woogie lol

@@nicb4589 this sonata is far from classical era. This is way into romanticism already. And myth or not, it is said that the person who created jazz (can't remember his name) got the inspiration from a piece by Beethoven that he was studying (most likely this piece).

MAgus L It is not far from classicism like you say, but B does bridge the gap between Early Romanticism and the previous Classical period. But that is beside my point. To say that the “jazzy” variations are written in the jazz idiom or with the jazz idiom in mind is darn near impossible!

@@nicb4589 we agree that Beethoven only had his own sonata in mind. It is still way ahead of his time though and the world didn't hear a similar thing for another century. Beethoven didn't create jazz, he created this sonata, but him who created jazz is said to have been inspired by Beethoven and developed the idea. And I'm no expert in music by any means, but this sounds to me more romantic than classical. I accept that I could be widely mistaken due to lack of formal education, I'm just a music lover!

MAgus L Well, the inspiration has to be drawn from somewhere, I guess. And it’s good that even though you’re not taking any formal education, you’re looking into all this information/backstory/influence behind. It’s stuff we musicians are still debating today, so it’s a great conversation to have. This sort of thinking can multiply your appreciation of the music by a million in my opinion!

Me too ahahah it's incredible, i laugh even at 13:00

That's why this sonata is so great.

Every artist is a mix of fragments from all the other artists before them

@Aksel Pelkonen yea, but not all of them were, so focus my argument on these

@Aksel Pelkonen you got a point dawg

Note that the whole second movement is kinda Bachian in essence in the sense that a whole universe comes out organically from one theme. Like the chaconne or the passacaglia

That one violinist composer who invented heavy metal: "Am I a joke to you?"

@@Kyubiwan who is he?

@@jmrabinez9254 vivaldi

@@Kyubiwan with what song?

Summer 3rd mvt

Free form canon I think

It is

Sounds like mozart fugue for 2 pianos

@@EnriqueGirona So what is it mister genius ? :p

maybe

I don’t know if Beethoven is the greatest composer of piano music because Chopin is definitely a contender for that title

@@notafurry5965 Chopin music is silly and empty, and lacks ideas against Beethoven's masterworks.

@@eduardoguerraavila8329 I agree

@@eduardoguerraavila8329 absolutely and utterly clueless

He wasn't on his own Sung po-yu. Bedrich Smetana was completely deaf when he wrote his six cycles of Ma Vlast, my country. He never heard a single note. If you haven't heard it I strongly urge you to. It's power and beauty will stay with you all your life. I promise you.

The same avout liszt. But it is more an unexpectation than impression

5th variation

Napoleon was dead.

Sérgio Vida see

Absolutely agree with you. Beethoven's geniality is above all composers and above all art.

don't forget Bach;)

Sounds more like blues, and boogie woogie

Its basically what Beethoven had in mind then

I'm not sure I agree with you. It is, in many respects, perhaps the ultimate instantiation of the classical style, by the composer who pushed it further than anyone else.

@@schubertuk I'm sure I would agree with you: the figurations and structure is totally classical, albeit with much greater harmonic complexity and freedom.

Technically this sonata was written during the Romantic period and following the Romantic style, so what does the ''classical style'' has to do with it?

@@giuseppeagresta1425 Technically it would seem you are treating musical periods as straight lines - cut off dates from one period to the next - when they are nothing of the sort. CPE Bach did not suddenly become classical just because the date ticked from 1750 to 1751 - and arguably never got beyond a proto-classical style. Haydn arguably found the classical style we know and love when writing his Opus 33 string quartets - and created the obbligato accompianment - but this can and has been contested. There is plenty of documentary evidence to show that composers struggled to follow Beethoven, and when they did, they did not continue or develop his style- they went in different stylistic directions - which makes for a strong argument that what we see in Beethoven is the ultimate apotheosis of the classical style - and a final statement. Yes - you can certainly argue for some elements of romantic style - and the inclusion of poetry in the 9th Symphony is certainly a concept seized upon by following composers - but even in the 18th century in Op 10, n3 2nd movement - arguably you could trace stylistic traits that might be called romantic. But Beethoven is still obsessed with developing classical forms, and the relationship of the tonic to dominant - that composers like Schumann would quickly dismantle. Of course - you are most welcome to disagree with me - it is a subjective area and not all academics are aligned on the topic - but my statement is not a casual one.

II.Adagio

Good ear