Herbert von Karajan conducting the Berlin Philharmonic (1977) 00:00 Allegro vivace e con brio 08:52 Allegretto scherzando 12:38 Tempo di menuetto 17:52 Allegro vivace
After the success of his previous 3 symphonies, this was a retro attempt by Beethoven to revisit the classical style, and what a magficent composed piece it is too. However it was a flop, which depressed Beethoven as it was his favourite. It marked a turning point in his life to increasingly being one of of a recluse. It will be 12 years before he would compose another, the greatest symphony of all.
Klemátisz Szimonetta Rose this symphony seems to be classically inspired. Beethoven, the arch Romantic, going all throwback for the 8th. This is such a delightful symphony, but...it's CLASSICAL STYLE!
@@timothythorne9464 Op. 55 surely left a major impact on development of all music ever created - however, just take a look at use of instruments, harmonic structures, modulations and progressions which are principally typical for classical style. Yes, he occassionally experimented with all of mentioned above, but the experiments were moderate and limited to minor number of works including mostly some piano sonatas, piano trios and late string quartets, so it prevents his music from being classified as purely or even generally romantic... He is considered the first romantic composer because he irreversibly changed musical forms and greatly contributed to democratisation of music in the early 19th century.
What a masterful piece of music! Everything in this symphony sounds just perfect, every note in it's place! Such a cohesive piece of music. A true genius was Beethoven, a master of his art.
Anyone else thinks the end of the 1st movement of Symphonies 8 and 9 are quite similar? Beethoven closes the musical ideia with a fragment of the main theme, and I love that.
Le dernier mouvement me fait penser aux sensations qu on éprouve quand on fait du vélo dans un paysage vallonné et que même les montées sont euphorisantes ,
This symphony belongs to Karajan. This is one of the best recordings of this piece, my favourite rendition. Fast, but still heavy, intense like Beethoven should be played.
4:30 since 5:00 is harmonically based on the stretta in the minuetto from Mozart symphony 40... Even the high parts make that dramatic two notes repeated and modulated the same way than Mozart Maybe Beethoven didn't do it on purpose
The whole symphony is permeated with humor, musical jokes and of course this is a Beethovenian look into the past, in the era of classiсal music, here you can hear the style of Haydn and Mozart, so beautifully presented in Beethoven's handwriting
Beethoven said he liked the 8th one than thr 7th. 8th symphony is underrated because the others(prime numbers)were the best... I like the 8th symphony because it is light and humorous like the classical era. The 4th movement is the most funniest story ever lol.
9 is not a prime number and it is perhaps the greatest symphony of them all. BTW 2 is a prime number and that is surely not better than the ninth, or 6th for that matte.r
I have heard that Beethoven liked the symphony, but it wasn’t good for his time, so people didn’t like it. He was sad and it took 13 years to create another symphony. And I am pretty sure he thought he didn’t do the best job on his 9th.
@@name-ng7mk Beethoven was thinking about the ninth symphony since he was in Bonn, he was thinking about writing a symphony for the Shiller poem. He difinelty was more proud of the 9th than the 8th.
@@timothythorne9464 The whole point is that there is no slow movement. Beethoven always used either a scherzo or a minuet, and here he decided to use both as a subversion of the symphonic form. Is it technically metronomically the slow movement? Yes, but nothing about the character reflects that, in case "Allegretto Scherzando" wasn't enough of a hint. Beethoven was probably the greatest experimenter with the symphonic form of both the 18th and 19th Centuries, one of his symphonies uses a full choir, two are as long as Mahler symphonies, and two play around with attaca marks to conjoin movements. The idea of an obligatory slow movement is arbitrary, and Beethoven broke practically every other rule when he thought they were arbitrary and he wanted to do something else.
L allegretto scherzando est utilisé comme accompagnement d une scène de violence dans le film de 1995 Kalifornia. Je n ai pas d opinion particulière , ça se fond harmonieusement dans le film , excellent selon moi.
The score format is good especially for us amateurs. Shows us what to listen for which we might not notice. On the second screen, I don’t hear any of the sixteenth note patterns in the strings. Conductor’s fault? Recording?
On fortissimo please turn down your volume to the lowest possible and if you have headphones, please take them off because fortissimo means extremely loud! You have been warned.
Les moments chantants dans le final sont comme une déchirure,un envol,un signe d au-delà....d une puissance de trouble pas assez relevee par la critique,je trouve(de même que le mauvais gout a hurler de la broderie de flûte dans le final de la 7 !! Beethoven se serait il amuse a une sorte d effet miroir ?)
Yes, definitely. My favorite is the repeat of the 3rd symphony. If you haven't already, check out the Haitink recordings I have uploaded which have the repeats.
The way we're conditioned to think of Beethoven's work is rather limiting and stupid. According to this narrative, Beethoven is a giant, a genius, a hero, a visionaire and only those works that reflect this image are worthy of being highly admired. That's why musicians speak of his 4th and 8th symphony as ,,light interludes,, between ,,greater,, works (3rd and 5th; 7th and 9th), 6th symphony is nice, but still not THE 5th, 7th is great, but still a bit suspicious, 1st and 2nd don't exist. The same thing goes with other genres.
La cuarta sinfonía es hermosa, la sexta sinfonía es incluso mejor que la quinta, si hablamos de fuerza, poder y tormenta, el cuarto movimiento de la sexta sinfonía es superior al primer movimiento de la quinta sinfonía.
Beethoven est vraiment énervant , avec ses suspenses qui ' en sont pas et ses retards bidon pour une modulation qu on voit venir de loin ! ( ici , fin du premier mouvement ) Mais que les snobs ne triomphent pas : c est dans les œuvres de la fin que c est le pire : andante con moto opus 130 , fin de la variation 4 opus 127 , allegro op 106....
As much as I like this symphony, the problem with it is that it doesn't have a proper slow movement. 3rd movement is still fast and light in terms of emotions. It's good, but one ingredient is clearly lacking.
