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Before and After: Timber Stand Improvement for Better Deer & Wildlife Habitat Habitat (640) 

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Timber Stand Improvement is a great tool to improve wildlife habitat which leads to bigger bucks, healthier deer, and better hunting. A well thought out plan for timber stand improvement can significantly improve the quality of habitat. It can also be a great way to improve the value of previously high graded timber - just as the TSI plan did in this video showing the forest before the TSI plan was implemented,.
In this video: definition of TSI, how to implement TSI in different regions and types of forests: cedar, hardwood, pine, etc., the difference between a plan that maximizes for timber value vs. wildlife, before and after timber stand improvement on a Missouri hunting property, the better hunting that can be had on a property with an open forest canopy. See the specific formulas to use two of the best timber stand improvement techniques: Hack and Squirt, Double Girdling.
Release the hunting habitat potential on the property where you hunt!
0:00 Start
0:29 Closed Canopy Forest
1:26 Cedar
1:40 Pines
2:14 Hardwoods
2:49 TSI Techniques: Hack & Squirt
3:37 Double Girdling
4:32 Tree Girdling Herbicide Mix
5:16 Timber Value Vs. Wildlife
6:25 Before Timber Stand Improvement
7:41 1 Year After TSI
7:53 2 Years After TSI
8:25 4 Years After TSI
12:16 Standing Dead Trees
13:34 Cut Cedars
14:46 Hunting Benefits
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@christystone6224
@christystone6224 Год назад
I have all white and black oak trees in my yard. I have had 8 cut down and have a least 20 more that I want gone. Im tired of all the acorns falling on my lawn. I have 14 acres of timber that I am working to clear all the small saplings in Cedar. I had never seen the chop and treat technique before. I have a lot of deer and turkey on my land. Now you have me interested in going and investigating the land more thoroughly. Thank you.
@stevegermain1222
@stevegermain1222 2 года назад
Hey Grant as always you got some awesome information thanks for taking the time to share
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
My pleasure!
@commonmancrypto1648
@commonmancrypto1648 2 года назад
@9:09 Why the hell am I still watching this? I rent an apartment.....lol. Great video though. I learned something new. Maybe one day I'll have use for it. haha
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
It's always good to learn!
@CrookedWoodsFamilyOrchard
@CrookedWoodsFamilyOrchard 2 года назад
I appreciate the Ideas & info, it was good to get confirmation on some of the thinks I have been doing to improve our place.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@giovannifunaro5408
@giovannifunaro5408 Год назад
That was really awesome . . .you have a great respect for nature and God. Thank you
@drewcrosser4590
@drewcrosser4590 5 месяцев назад
Love the content!
@dougbarber3400
@dougbarber3400 3 года назад
Great info Sir. So enjoy your knowledge
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@dave31764
@dave31764 3 месяца назад
Wow, great wisdom on how to draw in all that wildlife.
@jeffgriffin1497
@jeffgriffin1497 6 месяцев назад
Awesome information
@micah_lee
@micah_lee 11 месяцев назад
With this you’ll also get your oaks to regenerate which is great. We’re losing those due to the way we harvest and fire suppression
@stevegermain1222
@stevegermain1222 2 года назад
I also love the fact that you always close with something about listening to the Creator thank you
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Thank Steve!
@Y_ruba_al
@Y_ruba_al 2 года назад
this is my first time ever hearing about this......great content
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Thanks!
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Thanks!
@SouthWestIron
@SouthWestIron 2 года назад
Man I need you to take a look at my place for sure!
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Have HuntStand for mapping and will travel! There is a cost for our services.
@charlesruby4686
@charlesruby4686 9 месяцев назад
Timeless video.
@keytv2666
@keytv2666 Год назад
I bet the woodpeckers go crazy in there
@keithcameron6894
@keithcameron6894 2 года назад
Great info. Can you briefly describe situations where hack & squirt methods would be preferred to hinge-cutting for TSI? Thanks and happy new year!
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Keith - I never prescribed hinge cutting. The limbs on a hinge cut tree will quickly (two years or so) grow out of the reach of a deer to compete for the sun's energy. This creates a shaded out mess below the hinge cut tree. There's no native habitat that is like the results of hinge cut areas. The best deer hunting areas - the prairie states of Iowa, etc., have forage, not limbs. Native grasses and forbs make much better cover and food than hinge cut trees.
@walkeroutdoors2429
@walkeroutdoors2429 3 года назад
Video is so good
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Thanks!
@longbeardmcstruttin5876
@longbeardmcstruttin5876 2 года назад
Best video I have seen on this topic, curious on the shoots coming out of stumps though….. I have read and watched info that those are a great thing to have because of all the leafy greens sprouting out at deer head height, can you shed light on this thought, thank you
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Sprouts from a few tree species like winged elm and some maples are palatable to deer and include a higher than average mineral content. However, they are still a woody crop - with a large part being non-digestible and become less so as they mature. Many, many wild forbs that such sprouts shade our are MUCH higher quality nutrition for deer. The biggest deer always are harvested in areas where a lot of sun reaches the soil in some portion of their home range.
@longbeardmcstruttin5876
@longbeardmcstruttin5876 2 года назад
@@GrowingDeerTV what is effective way to kill stumps with sprouts with exception of grubbing them out, large black walnut, and oak in particular, can the herbicide mixture be used directly on top since the entire circulatory system of tree is exposed?
@joeaston8320
@joeaston8320 Год назад
Love the videos ! You’re a wealth of knowledge. I have a question for long term tsi. I live in hill country upstate NY, primarily oaks , I’m going to get together with a timber guy from church to select cut/hack and squirt to get more undergrowth like you said … I believe it’s illegal to burn in NY so is there another method you suggest to clear the floor? I’d like to get more bedding also so do you recommend felling the trees in those areas over hack and squirt ?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Joe - Glad you are doing some habitat improvement work! Prescribe fire is a very important tool and it's a shame it's not legal in New York. I have several clients there that can't manage their habitat to its fullest potential due to not being able to use prescribed fire. You may need to use herbicide to spot treat invasive species after the canopy is opened.
@randalb1386
@randalb1386 2 года назад
Grant , I have about 60 acres of woods in south eastern Virginia. 40 acres were clear cut in 2008 and 5 in 2014. The property wasn’t replanted, only a few pines and Beech trees were left. The new growth is thick with a mix of White and red oak, water oak, maple, sweet gum, sycamore, black cherry, loblolly pine, American holly and sweet bay magnolia for the most part. Many trees are clumped close together and some growing out of old stumps. I want to terminate many trees to improve the habit for deer and turkey Which would you keep? When is the best time to hack & squirt ? The woodland is surrounded on all sides by crops and open fields. I don’t see many food opportunities in the woods to hold wildlife in the winter.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Randal - Congratulations on having land in a neat area! It's very tough to convert 10+ year old post clearcut stands into productive. There will most likely be 10's of ,1000's of stems of various tree species at your property. One option it to consider having the area site prepped and replaced with pines. This would allow you to created food plots exactly where they need to be, have a future crop of timber, etc. There's no one herbicide that terminates all the different tree species, A mix of 50% Garlon3A, 40% water, and 10% Arsenal AC will terminate the oaks, sweetgums, and hickories. It will literally take 10's of 1,000's of hacks to complete such a project and very little quality timber will result. However, if you like that type of work and wish to paint the canvas of your property, after the leaves are full shape and before their start turning color is the most effectively time to use the hack and squirt technique. grant
@lifeonthehilltn
@lifeonthehilltn 3 года назад
Great information! I love seeing TSI before and after! Do you have any sort of recommendations on permanently terminating oak saplings that continue to shoot each year? Seems as though the roots still have energy and I'm struggling to keep them from sprouting even after brush hogging and spraying.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
If only treating oaks, Garlon 3A should work. Mowing won't terminate most hardwoods.
@lifeonthehilltn
@lifeonthehilltn 2 года назад
@@GrowingDeerTV awesome! I will see if I can’t get them sprayed with some of that! I haven’t tried it yet!
@danielgoggans4012
@danielgoggans4012 Год назад
You could also get a animal like sheep or goat and they will fix it.
@watersedge7723
@watersedge7723 3 года назад
Hi grant, is there no use for firewood in your area. I select cut my woods and love the stump sprouts as both deer and moose love to browse them. My woodstove is a great herbicide!!thanks for sharing
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Waters - I've offered firewood to many and we terminate more trees that folks wish to cut for wood. If we didn't treat the stumps, they'd create a jungle way taller than deer can reach and shade out better quality habitat.
@ephatla58
@ephatla58 2 года назад
It looks so good in the growing season. How open is it once it is hunting season in Wisconsin and snow has flattened everything out? Thank you
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Eric - That depends on how it's managed and what species are present. By varying the timing of prescribed fires, there will be a wide variety of species, some of which stand well during the winter. The quality of food produced during the summer and the improved health of the herd trump wooden structure during the winter.
@todsimpkins8908
@todsimpkins8908 2 года назад
@@GrowingDeerTV hardwood regeneration is what deer eat in winter. Thats why you shouldnt kill everything.
@alexkelchner3699
@alexkelchner3699 4 месяца назад
Often the problem in many areas is when opening the forest canopy you get an overwhelming amount of invasive vegetation and not native vegetation.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 4 месяца назад
That can be an issue. However, frequent prescribed fire works to control many invasive, exotic species.
@claywhitten4626
@claywhitten4626 2 года назад
Best reference for identifying plants and weeds? I don't know what's what. Thanks
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Clay - Checkout the free apps Seek and iNature. They are good tools!
@keatonlingafelter4023
@keatonlingafelter4023 2 года назад
I have 63 acres here in southern Illinois, I’d love to invite you here to do this project
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Keaton - We assist several landowners with creating habitat and hunting improvement plans. There's a fee for our service, based on property size, travel expenses, etc. We'll be serving some landowners in Illinois later this spring and could be swing your place and it wouldn't cost as much if we are already in the area. If you wish to learn more, email us with your location, etc., to info@GrowingDeer,com
@iamtheshaker
@iamtheshaker Год назад
Hello Grant, in my area of Texas I don't think there is much woody browse at all, but there is some native grass areas (although rocky). I have a timber stand desert I want to improve (about 5 acres). Could you speak to why hinge or flush cutting to generate root sprouting is less desirable than using hack and squirt?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Great question! Wood browse from a fresh cut stump can contain lots of mineral for a while - as most weeds do. Stump sprouts, like hinge-cut quickly - within a year or two - grow out of reach of deer and the landowner is left with a mess that's very expensive to improve. The sprouts will also shade out the ground and then the landowner is left with a biological desert for several feet where there's no cover for food or deer. Big deer feed are produced by forbs - broad-leafed plants. Soybeans are. common planted forb in ag areas. Ragweed, and many other native plants are forbs that deer consume and benefit from. By terminating low quality trees and using prescribed fire, forbs almost always sprout from the seed bank.
@theyangview1898
@theyangview1898 Год назад
Amen
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Thanks!
@michaelticen79
@michaelticen79 2 года назад
Great information. But what do you do when there is a large amount of Honey Suckle around your property. I'm sure if I were to thin out the canopy the Honey Suckle would take over.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Michael - You are correct and it's best to terminate the honeysuckle as it's very invasive! There may be EQIP funding through the NRCS to control that exotic and invasive species.
@jeridsumners5995
@jeridsumners5995 2 года назад
I've been watching your videos and trying to figure out what I need to do with my land in ms. I've kinda figured out what to do as far as my food plots but I have a lil under 20 ackers of mostly pines with a few mature oaks spreed out in it. Im probly going to have it clear cut the pines and gums. What to do after 5 or 6 years when the sweet gums and smaller pine trees start to take over?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Jerid - To establish and maintain quality wildlife habitat you'll want to terminate the young pines (a weed eater or brush cutter pending on the size) and herbicide or the sweetgums. Cutting the gums will simply encourage them to make more sprouts.
@davidstephenson7194
@davidstephenson7194 Год назад
Is it possible to harvest the trees you want to remove and treat the stumps in the same way to prevent sprouting? That way we can get maximum return on all the timber we fell rather than just letting it rot on the ground. Thanks.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
If there's a market the trees can and should be harvested. However, stumps need to be treated within minutes or the sap will keep herbicide from entering the tree.
@brianboyett6250
@brianboyett6250 2 года назад
How do you recycle this process? What should you do after those mature oaks are old enough that they are harvested or fall or whatever? Do you replant oaks, let it regenerate on its own? If you are always using fire to set back young sprouts what do you have left to replace what's there and be the next generation? I want to do this at my place but want to know what happens after this
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Brian - When you are thinking about harvesting oaks - those would be old oaks - then stop the fire a few years before to allow oak saplings to survive!
@DavidSmith-rf5je
@DavidSmith-rf5je Год назад
With all that stuff growing up, won't it be harder to see\shoot deer? Im basing my question of a 8acre wood and thicket mixed lot.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Yes - but by attacking more deer and the deer making trails, it's easier to pattern them.
@KYOutdoorPursuits
@KYOutdoorPursuits 2 года назад
Bringing this back up...I know you said you prefer to fell cedars, but if I was to try a hack and squirt on mature cedars, which would be the best herbicide? I've tried googling but can't seem to find a specific one for cedar. Would straight gly work or something more along tordon be better? Thanks for all the great info.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Daniel - I've never attempted to hack and squirt a cedar so I'm not much help. Currently the price for quality cedar is very high where I live. If you have several cedar trees, you may wish to see if there's a market where you are.
@JM-mz7wx
@JM-mz7wx 4 месяца назад
Did you end up trying the hack and squirt on your cedar? Interested to hear your results.
@KYOutdoorPursuits
@KYOutdoorPursuits 4 месяца назад
@@JM-mz7wx I have not. I had the state forester out and he recommended simply girdling the cedars, no herbicide needed. I plan to try that first.
@ryanfoote7027
@ryanfoote7027 Год назад
How would this work on ridge tops? I have a farm i hunt in Indiana, and it consists of several ridges in the 700-1000’ of elevation on the west side of the property that slope down to the east to corn/soybeans. The hardwoods is appx 800 acres with very minimal improvements in decades, and appx 1000 acres of crops. Hardwoods are VERY thick canopy, minimal browse.. however there are some very thick areas we keep as sanctuaries/bedding
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Ryan - Thinning hardwoods creates great habitat. However, it needs to be performed correctly so there's not hardwood sprouts everywhere.
@chrisandsteve5238
@chrisandsteve5238 Год назад
Using hack and squirt I s there a general rule to follow for application when rain is in the forecast to retain effectiveness of the herbicide?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
I recommend not using this technique for a day before a large rain event is forecast!
@mlindsay527
@mlindsay527 8 месяцев назад
Seems like any openings I make are quickly taken over by briars and poison ivy, rather than grasses. Not very nice to hunt in. Any suggestions?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 8 месяцев назад
Use prescribed fire to set those species back and encourage forbs - great deer food!
@bospainhour2832
@bospainhour2832 2 года назад
Grant, We have two farms with 4-5 acre cedar thickets that we are about to whack. Throughout one of them we have persimmons everywhere and my worry is that when it is time to burn, we will kill off the persimmons due to the first fire being too intense. Any tips on how to save the persimmons or whether you know if they can handle a hotter fire? Any help or answer is greatly appreciated. I love watching your videos.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Bo - Are you hunting deer using the persimmons now?
@bospainhour2832
@bospainhour2832 2 года назад
We do have deer gravitate towards the persimmons that are producing. We have several on edges that produce well and those are frequented by wildlife daily. The persimmons that are amongst the cedars are much smaller though and our thought was that after we cleared the cedars, we would allow them to reach their full potential. Afterwards we would hopefully be able to hunt those as well. We are planning to make the cedar thicket an oak savannah with the few persimmons left here or there.
@bospainhour2832
@bospainhour2832 2 года назад
I also have thought about using a forestry mulcher around the trees I’d like saved. However, I am a little worried that the cedar mulch from that may not allow many things to grow for a few years.
@showmetheheartland
@showmetheheartland 9 месяцев назад
What kind of spacing between trees should I actually be shooting for? My ultimate goal is wildlife habitat.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 9 месяцев назад
There are many variables including age of trees, species of trees, etc. A good goal is 60 basal feet per acre. Search on Basal Feet Forestry and there are many educational videos that explain this better than I can in text.
@coreypaul800
@coreypaul800 6 месяцев назад
Anyone ever heard of the hack and squirt wood being ok to cook with??
@Natedwebb
@Natedwebb Год назад
Where is the best place to buy those herbacides you recommended? Is now through spring a good time to hack and squirt? And I would love to implement burning on my property but I don't know where to start? I am afraid to burn the land myself the first time. Do you have any suggestions on finding help burning? Are there any free burning services?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Nate - there are some Prescribed fire coops in some states where local landowners help others burn. Most GOV agencies won't burn on private land due to the liability. However, many agencies do offer training to landowners for a minimal cost. I'd start by asking your state agency about training for prescribed fire.
@wadesoutdoors1914
@wadesoutdoors1914 2 года назад
Hey grant !! After a couple years have passed once you have done a tsi project. Do you go in and find the bedding areas within it ?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Wade - I tend to scout my entire property after the season closes while shed hunting, doing habitat improvement projects, etc.
@johnzigler9780
@johnzigler9780 3 года назад
whats your recommendation for clearing briars in sc after a clear cut
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
John - growing season fire or herbicide.
@IxISwAnNIxI
@IxISwAnNIxI Год назад
I have a mix of some hard woods and pines, but mostly pines, would you leave the hard woods and get rid of some pines and does the mixture you mentioned work well on pine? Thanks!
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Timber stand improvement prescriptions need to be site-specific. I don't know near enough about your property to make a recommendation. Sorry! Be cautious about accepting advice from anyone that gives you blanket recommendations.
@IxISwAnNIxI
@IxISwAnNIxI Год назад
Really just wondering what mixture would work best for pine, the property is on the eastern shore of Maryland
@bullrun1
@bullrun1 2 года назад
Grant - will you travel to Southwestern PA to review and develop a plan for our property? (looking for max wildlife habitat) thank you, Chris
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Bull - Sure! I work there frequently and will be assisting a landowner there August 11th!
@bullrun1
@bullrun1 2 года назад
@@GrowingDeerTV how do we correspond to discuss details and timing ? - Chris
@denverpierce970
@denverpierce970 2 года назад
In my area briars and thorns tend to grow in these areas. Is this a problem? Should they be cut back? If so is there a way I can prevent this?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Denver - "Briars and thorns" represent many different species. If those species are invasive exotics such as bush honeysuckle, etc., they should be terminated and allow native species to populate the area. In quality native habitat, rarely are briars and thorns so prevalent that they are an issue. Determine the species and then control as needed.
@brianreynolds8732
@brianreynolds8732 Год назад
Hey Grant, I know you promote hack and squirt and spraying stumps with herbicide to not allow stumps sprouts vs hinge cutting or allowing stump sprouts to grow. I was watching a RU-vid video and Dr. Craig Harper was promoting all of these techniques in certain situations. Which is right or is it just situational?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Brian - Much depends on the specific situation.
@BlackEagleFeather
@BlackEagleFeather Месяц назад
I've been told to shy award from doing controlled burns in hardwoods. They might damage the hardwoods to much
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Месяц назад
Certainly fire can damage hardwoods if the wrong techniques are used - such as a head fire, etc. However, many folks have been using prescribed fire in hardwoods or decades successfully.
@decaturridgebees8761
@decaturridgebees8761 7 месяцев назад
What are your thoughts on hard maples? I can’t find a buyer but have a lot of hard sugar maples causing a wasteland underneath
@scottsolinko1
@scottsolinko1 6 месяцев назад
Fire wood unfortunately
@robertsutton3001
@robertsutton3001 2 года назад
What about wood chipping the felled trees?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Robert - that's a lot of extra expense and disturbance. In nature, there aren't large piles of chips in the timber. Those chips are like mulch and will keep the native vegetation from growing for a year or more. The whole trees break down at a very natural rate.
@DracoLorenz
@DracoLorenz 2 года назад
Can you do this and get similar results without using prescribed fire?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Draco - Fire is a great tool to improve native habitat - it would be tough to achieve the same without using fire.
@DracoLorenz
@DracoLorenz Год назад
@@GrowingDeerTV In regards to the hack and squirt method, have you noticed that surrounding trees have been damaged due to the grafting of root systems. For example, could I damage an oak tree if I hack and squirt the trees in the understory of that oak tree? I want to keep the quality timber trees safe while promoting new growth.
@johnmullies1807
@johnmullies1807 2 года назад
What about hedge cutting them and letting lay on their side?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Check out this video where we show a comparison and the benefits:ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-niByd2Eo59o.html
@georgehelzer7569
@georgehelzer7569 2 года назад
There is no doubt those trees COULD be dangerous, but they tend to break off in high winds and during the freeze thawing and its typically slow... It sure wouldn't hurt to be mindful at least if this is the option you choose.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
George - You've likely seen dead trees standing for many years where you hunt. As a result of the Hack and Squirt technique, small limbs (1/2" in diameter or so) will fall the first year, then limbs up to 2" or less. They will be air dried and very light. By the time the trunk falls it will also be air dried. The danger is very limited. Thanks for the reminder.
@scott5931
@scott5931 Год назад
Just curious, why not just drop them instead of leaving standing dead wood? Sitting in a stand watching large standing dead trees moving in strong winds, this would make me nervous. Is it just less physical work and time? Thanks you videos are super helpful
@showmetheheartland
@showmetheheartland 5 месяцев назад
​@@scott5931who wants thousands of trees laying on the ground all at the same time. All that debris is a mess and it'll be there for years. I addition, even regular fires won't eliminate it. I wouldn't want to walk through that. Animals don't want to either.
@ronswanson8247
@ronswanson8247 3 года назад
How do you deal with burning dead snags after hack and squirt? I’ve had some scary situations.
@trevorbradshaw8540
@trevorbradshaw8540 3 года назад
Play the weather right using Low intensity fires that will consume your 1hr fuels but won’t consume much of your 10-1000hr fuels. Mainly it just burns the leaf litter and very few small sticks, but your standing residuals from the TSI don’t get enough heat intensity to ignite, and are just charred at the base.
@millsginseng1685
@millsginseng1685 3 года назад
If the snags are close to your fire line (within 3 times their own height) put them on the ground before burning. Unless you are burning in strong or gusty winds you should be safe to let them burn themselves out.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Ron - I agree with Mills - don't use the hack and squirt technique close to a fire line.
@j_saxon_9754
@j_saxon_9754 Год назад
Blue is the most apparent color to deer in the color spectrum, they see it about 20 times better then we do... I am surprise you would chose to use it for trees that would be left in a hunting area.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
You are correct that deer see blue well! Anything that's not moving such as signs, tractors, posts, etc., don't alarm deer. They become conditioned to such items rapidly and don't associate them with danger.
@mwi7046
@mwi7046 2 года назад
Would forestry mulching fit into any of this?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Buzz and Woody - Mulch is used to prevent growth - so that's a bad fit for trying to get native grasses and forbs to grow. In addition, mulchers rarely kill hardwoods and in a few years they sprout back which requires more work. It's usually better to terminate the trees and allow more sun to reach the soil. Mulchers can be used for other projects like making stalking paths!
@compwhizmm90
@compwhizmm90 Год назад
Would you mind sharing the name of the Missouri contractor you used to come and do the work?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Send me a message at info@GrowingDeer.com and I'll get you in touch with them.
@cst270
@cst270 3 года назад
I'm pretty sure Arsenal will also trans locate among tree roots. It will kill wanted Oak trees if their roots tangle with target trees. I would never use Arsenal in a hardwood stand just to be safe.
@millsginseng1685
@millsginseng1685 3 года назад
True, it can translocate. I have personally used back and spray on hundreds, maybe thousands of acres of hardwoods targeting tree of heaven and royal pawlonia (invasive exotics) with minimal flash back on desirable trees. We were using 20% arsenal AC solution and 1 hack per 2 inches, not the 1/3 Grant is recommending. I use this same mix and ratio on my own property with 100% confidence.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Mills is correct.
@idahomike100
@idahomike100 2 года назад
Do sweet gum trees offer any value to deer habitat
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Sweetgums don't offer any value to deer. They are spreading as forestry practices encourage their growth.
@idahomike100
@idahomike100 2 года назад
@@GrowingDeerTV thank you,I'm going to do the chop and squirt method you said to use to try and get rid of them,got a 80 acre spot that was clear cut 11 years ago and left to nature. The sweet gums are taking over. At least the loggers left a lot of oaks and persimmons.
@carlconley8956
@carlconley8956 3 года назад
can you hack & squirt cedars ?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Yes, but since cedars cut below the bottom limb don't produce sprouts it's usually better to simply cut them.
@patrickhenry7416
@patrickhenry7416 2 года назад
Are you ever worried about the dead trees falling on you/landowners? It seems That’s the only “drawback” with hack and squirt. Thanks!
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Patrick - I'm not worried about that. I've never heard of that happening. I'm sure you've seen dead trees stand for many, many years. Then small limbs will fall, and finally larger limbs. the trunks will stand until they are rotten and then crumble and become dirt.
@todsimpkins8908
@todsimpkins8908 2 года назад
Regeneration is required for deer/wildlife. Need that stem count
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Tod - I don't understand your comment. The prairies are always more productive for deer, turkeys, quail, etc., that a closed canopy forest. Increase the tree stem count very rarely improves the quality of wildlife habitat!
@thomburke8435
@thomburke8435 5 месяцев назад
Cn I hack and squirt white pine in Northeastern Pennsylvania?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 5 месяцев назад
Yes - with the correct herbicide.
@decaturridgebees8761
@decaturridgebees8761 Год назад
What’s unfavorable about hickories? I would think the deer would find them appealing
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Deer can't crack the hull - they never eat them.
@decaturridgebees8761
@decaturridgebees8761 7 месяцев назад
@@GrowingDeerTVthanks for responding
@ranbo9390
@ranbo9390 3 месяца назад
It may be good for deer but what about rabbits quail they need underbrush
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 3 месяца назад
There are way more rabbits and quail where sun hits the ground than in a closed canopy forest. Think about rabbits and quail in Kansas versus areas where there's a solid forest.
@cha-ka8671
@cha-ka8671 Год назад
You keep saying to kill off those cedar trees. Well, here in Maine our deer eat the cedar foliage and they sleep under them.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Cha-ka. My bad! We are feeling Eastern Red Cedars here which deer don't consume unless they are starving. You are referring to white cedars in Maine which deer prefer and readily consume as winter browse!
@cha-ka8671
@cha-ka8671 Год назад
@@GrowingDeerTV Thank you for the quick response and clarification. I was having a feeling that's what you meant. I've lived down south and my boss down there gave me some red cedar wood from a tree he cut. The were nice splits and he said they're great for the fire. I couldn't commit myself to burn those great smelling beauties. I sliced them into coasters and other small pieces of furniture. (Remote holder...) Your red cedar is great wood.
@hughphillips67Mustang
@hughphillips67Mustang 3 года назад
Is this not the same type of Forest Management President Trump was talking about? And the Democrats kept shutting him down? This would also help prevent the wild fires we see out west.
@aumdave5353
@aumdave5353 3 года назад
he never meant it. He just made up a theory of poor management to blame the democrats since he does not believe in climate change.
@robcady8499
@robcady8499 3 года назад
@@aumdave5353 is this made up theory why democrats in California approved half a billion dollars in April to do exactly what he said needed to be done? It’s fine to not like a man, but don’t discredit good ideas.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
The west certainly needs better forest management - no matter the political party in control.
@josephf7720
@josephf7720 Год назад
Trump occasionally adopted some good programs when he listened to his advisors. Since he is such a narcissistic self serving person of no moral character and no foundational values let’s not project some non existent wisdom to him.
@ryandalion8379
@ryandalion8379 7 месяцев назад
Trump has never had an original idea. You're mixing up trump and the character he played on TV.
@ronrussenberger5085
@ronrussenberger5085 Год назад
by the time the widow maker falls it will be somebody else problem classy
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
By the time the timber falls it will be extremely rotten and dry.
@mrpush2532
@mrpush2532 2 года назад
Why not just cut the trees down? Why would you want a bunch of widow maker dead trees all around. Thats not smart. Just cut them down?
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 2 года назад
Felling green trees allows them to fall on the trees to be left standing which results in open wounds and allows insects, disease, fungus, etc., to enter them. It's much better to allow low value trees to die standing and dry before they fall. Then, when the they fall they are very light and don't damage the remaining trees. Folks are killed annually by accidents when felling trees. I've never heard of a single person being injured a a dead tree randomly falling on them. If you have, please share a link.
@stanleybuck4195
@stanleybuck4195 Год назад
Don't like using poison and/or chemicals that can be harmful to wildlife and humans with cancer and other illnesses.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Stanley - I don't enjoy using herbicide either. It's like a root canal. I wouldn't want a root canal but I'd get one to save the rest of my teeth from rotting out. I"ll use a one-time application of herbicide to improve forest health and keep it from degrading due to past management.
@dammitbobby283
@dammitbobby283 7 месяцев назад
He killed the forest so he could grow briars
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 7 месяцев назад
grow better habitat
@jasonschuneman791
@jasonschuneman791 Год назад
No thanks. Come fall you can see all the way across it and so can deer.
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV Год назад
Jason - You must be thinking of the very northern portion of the whitetail's range. Have you tried this technique?
@philmerrick7493
@philmerrick7493 11 месяцев назад
Wow! Such misinformation about "forest".
@GrowingDeerTV
@GrowingDeerTV 11 месяцев назад
Phil - care to explain?
@KadiddlehopperClem
@KadiddlehopperClem 7 месяцев назад
WTF! Deer are everywhere. We already have plenty of habitat, lawns and golf courses.
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