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Beginner oil painting problems: When to paint around something not over it

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One of the most common mistakes that I see made is when a painter chooses to paint over something instead of painting around it. It's okay to leave empty canvas for a different object in your painting. Today I demonstrate this with clouds which is a popular subject to make this mistake with. Enjoy!
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@Mrfurball25 3 года назад

Painting over things is the mistake that I have been making. This is the video I need to see 🎨

@karenbeaney3167 3 года назад

I’m new to oils and you have already answered many of the questions I have and the problems I have run into. Thank you x

@Nadotornadocat 3 года назад

You are a truly lovely teacher, I feel like I’ve learned more watching your videos today than I have my whole semester in class. I’ve been feeling extremely frustrated with painting but your videos are so calming and helpful I feel way more motivated now. Thank you so much!😸💕

@mtlewis973 3 года назад

chris: paints a beautiful cloud, better than anything i could ever do chris: you see how bad this looks?

@jamieelder7438 4 года назад

Great demo! I hope this keeps me from painting muddy skies.The ending was hilarious also!

@lydia12356 2 года назад

Yas!! I’m not the only one I litter have like painted 5 canvas’s that I am like nope don’t like it I’ll paint something else over it

@RobertF- 4 года назад

Really good video. You make a great point. You can also scrape off the blue paint with a palette knife or wipe it off with a paper towel, and then put in the white paint. It's oil paint so it stays wet and you can just wipe it right off. It's actually easier in some sense than pencil drawing where sometimes you make a mark that's too dark and you can't remove it, so it's stuck there and the drawing is ruined. That definitely can happen with pen and ink easily. That never happens with oil paint. You can always either scrape it off or just paint right over it. In a lot of ways painting is easier than drawing. It's amazing if you think about it, so counterintuitive. Painting is actually a pretty simple thing, that's the big "secret" of art.

@lindaburton1633 3 года назад

I love watching how you hold the brush, and how you make your brush strokes. Very helpful! Thank you. 😊

@Wayneawebb 2 года назад

Two words: Bob Ross. Had the Happiest little clouds painted over his sky,

@KaytayBaylay 2 года назад

Wasn't he painting with acrylics, though?

@blazed_existence3338 2 года назад

@@KaytayBaylay No. He used oils.

@hc509 Месяц назад

@@KaytayBaylay Oils he also had a proprietary "Liquid White" he would put all over his canvas and he painted wet on wet. It was a simpler and faster way to paint. I use his technique with acyrils tho. Acrylic paint dries super fast

@daveweir4429 2 года назад

It was nice at the end there to see you just enjoy painting, improving the clouds and not instructing as much. Just watching you made it a bit more relatable for me.

@ralphcall4322 3 года назад

I am newly subscribed, and have watched only a few episodes. What impresses me the most about your tutorials is your emphasis on techniques. The way you teach is very useful, and reminds me of another artist I watched on TV in the 90's named Helen Van Wyk.

@roxannekeomaka4754 3 года назад

Love when you demonstrate. That was so clear to understand. You always have the best advice

@paintcoach 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@watercolourgoddess 3 года назад

wow you have an amazing stage presence for an artist. I am a watercolorist and I am going to start a channel as well! its really great that you are a bit cheeky. I work in a nursing home and doing everything I can to get out by autumn 2021. Wish me luck!

@WhatThePolitics 3 года назад

Best of luck mate

@matthewgrennell9293 2 года назад

Wet on wet would seem like the least effective alternative to painting around. If over paint it would be best to paint thick over a thinned out more dry layer in my opinion.

@stormcorrosion176 2 года назад

Good luck!!

@Drew.Hunter.Maker.Artist 3 года назад

This is definitely a showcase of oils biggest advantage, its blending ability. However like you showed if you don't plan ahead or wait for a layer to dry it can all get pretty muddy. Probably another solution to the problem is just to be patient and wait for the layer to dry. Since it will already be close to where you want it it wont take much to fix it from there. But also great suggestion for using that technique for clouds in the distance. Thanks for the tips!

@nikolamihaylov94 3 года назад

Very interesting, but you can paint nice clouds over the background if you do wet on wet painting. Otherwise for good detail in normal oil painting going around is the key. Nice content keep it up.

@MissWascallyWabbit 2 года назад

Isn't this demo wet on wet? Or does wet on wet that you refer to use more medium or something?

@Handles-R-Lame 2 года назад

@@MissWascallyWabbit the first painting was wet on wet, no medium was used as far as I could tell. However the second painting was roughly sketched then blocked in with shapes, by its color and value. So with the second painting he essentially imagined the clouds as shapes first nothing more, then depending on the distance between them and the viewer, determined the value of the color(dark or light) and paint around this principle. He didnt put the blue sky in first as an undercoat like in the first painting, thus he wasn't fighting to get the color or value right. So first painting was basically a form of wet on wet and second was not. Hopefully this makes sense!✌

@_kikizaman_ 2 года назад

Yes! Exactly. When I paint clouds over my background (wet on wet), I think they come out best. They don’t end up looking like big fluffy clothes, but wispy thin clouds. It works much better for me, and when I do clouds over my background with wet on wet, they end up turning out extremely hyper realistic.

@Sarah_Stark 2 года назад

Bob Ross. I have my mom's old Bob Ross white and clear mediums she got yearssss ago and I love using this technique.

@Barakon 2 года назад

painting on wet paint is like painting on the same layer, waiting for that paint to dry is like waiting for a new layer to load. wet paint clouds are misty, whispy, and distant. you can start with the farthest clouds and then wait for the paint to dry or have lineart for the clouds before painting the sky so that you can both distinct and distant clouds on the same layer.

@kimlanoue2033 4 года назад

I often wondered why this was done this way but questioning it no more. I’m not going to struggle anymore more and my clouds will forever be grateful. Thank you. Kim

@maimanon 4 года назад

Thanks for the tip. Your channel deserves more views and subs. Love your contents, very useful.

@paintcoach 4 года назад

Glad you think so!

@jaymccaffrey7463 9 месяцев назад

So great to watch you paint Coach! We think we need a certain brush stroke or look. But you show us that it is application, moving, and layering the paint that makes the difference. Muchas gracias.

@lostisles5850 2 года назад

When you put the white highlighting over the clouds it really brought the painting out. Thats awesome

@dorrisgonnawreckyou7111 4 года назад

Mate your videos are so usefull, i swear i have found about 3 now that cover subjects i have seen covered so many times before but you cover them so much better.

@paintcoach 4 года назад

Thanks! If you ever have any suggestions for videos let me know

@ArtistBrian Год назад

Amazing video, this brings a lot of clarity..often this mistake is done by rushing..I often work on multiple paintings now to avoid rushing allowing layers to dry then work. Thanks

@creatingkellyjay232 4 года назад

Love the Info man! I need to learn how to become as good of a teacher as you are for the videos on my channel! Thank you for what you do!

@marypartridge5154 2 года назад

You give us painters hope.

@muhammadsaad-cr3bw 3 года назад

Actually i prefer the top one. “I” “me”. The tutorial is great 👍 and helpful.

@jolantadrzwiecka8661 3 года назад

At last I understand my mistake thanks to you👍🙏

@aaroncaterrulez123 Год назад

your videos absolutely make me a better painter. So grateful for you!

@MegaPacosanchez 3 года назад

Ohh you really needed to show both the squares at the end as a comparison!! How did you not do that??

@LilyAmongThorns Год назад

I went back and looked at the finished clouds of the first one and there was nothing wrong with them, actually liked the first one slightly better to be honest…but I understand what he’s saying, that there’s more than one way and that one can save you time and frustration over another sometimes.

@M33838 Год назад

@@LilyAmongThorns blending is nice too, its just a matter of preference.

@hrttt9277 2 года назад

for me the first one look more realistics, the other clouds looks more define.

@Nioki1000 3 года назад

I saw some painters using paper towels to clean excess paint and then painting over or u can wait till it dry up.

@lydia12356 2 года назад

Acrylic to oil struggles! For real

@MariaRodriguez-bw4sk 3 года назад

This was so helpful. Thanks

@roserousan6411 4 года назад

Thank you . I really struggle with clouds i hope I get better

@TheBanjoShowOfficial Год назад

Honestly the first one doesn’t look that bad in comparison. Different approaches yield different outcomes it really all depends what you want

@Mimmimok Год назад

Beautiful clauds. I am going to follow your steps.

@pistaobiela 3 года назад

The both are good 😂. Btw, fantastic videos! Keep going and thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@phyllisharries2742 2 года назад

This is great, thank you.

@nataly4069 3 года назад

Great appreciation for the comparison! Thank you!

@integrity1969 Год назад

You remind me Of a art teacher I had many years ago. What really caught my eye about you is The way you hold your brush not like a pencil And that's the way the teacher I had in the past held her Brush. And I have it painted Is in 15 years Am struggling with the sunset. I keep redoing the sunset cause I don't like the way it's coming out I'm still not done with it. I am not happy with it

@LizGridleyArtist 4 года назад

Do you find yourself working any differently if you start on a colored or toned surface?

@dmanzenpaintings 3 года назад

That's really helpful.. thanks for sharing your knowledge

@Bonita.ch1 3 года назад

That's why you may want to do the under painting with acrylic??? 🤔😎

@jessicathayer3151 3 года назад

do you mean painting the sky without the clouds in acrylic?

@beanalog8202 Год назад

Good video...again. laughing at the very end, was not expecting that 🤣

@losv2434 3 года назад

Excellent video as always!

@rosemariesarver4640 4 года назад

answered my question of problem of overpainting

@kylapoe7991 3 года назад

I tried this technique today and the colors turned out really good but they were all kind of shaped like jelly beans 😂 any tips on making more natural shapes?

@henrydavis4328 3 года назад

get some inspiration from actual images from clouds and replicate those first and that's when you yourself will start igniting your creativity and come up with some good shapes. Do it more than once and you'll get the hang of it you need practice.

@rrresonance2 Месяц назад

You had me at beginner. 😁

@brooklyn7189 2 года назад

It seems that going dark to light really is the best practice… you really don’t muddy your colors

@winterdesert1 3 года назад

I think the clouds in the top painting felt jealous from paint-around cloud biasness.

@jessicathayer3151 3 года назад

what if you wait till its dry?

@kovici7226 3 года назад

sometimes its just less practical 🤷‍♀️ im not very good at oil painting yet, but oil paint's main purpose (to me) is to stay wet and work well without drying in one session. im guessing that the paint around method works best if you want to use the mindset of "all of this paint is wet, and I have to work with that" paintings would take much longer, and at thst point, use acrylic for it to dry quicker 🤷‍♀️ its thinking harder instead of smarter when you do that

@tumblingrosesstudio 2 года назад

Love this demo!

@lars7282 Год назад

That was very, very helpful. Thank you

@giuliacortina.9765 4 года назад

You Are a Fantastic Teacher!! :) :)!! And an Amazing Painter!! ;) ;)!!! Bravissimo! :) :)!! Grazie^.^^.^!!!!

@juliegroth335 Год назад

Love your videos! Can you do one on how to add to an already dry painting?

@kellylee4512 3 года назад

Very good info i realy enjoy wahting it

@ddbdbubbles 2 года назад

love your videos! They are helping me so much. I think you could even go with a larger brush on some of these.

@qinxinzhou4143 3 года назад

Painting over is my mistake too ! I was wondering why my painting looks so dirty!

@MelanieElaineH 3 года назад

Would you use a larger brush to cover a large area or make more obvious strokes with. Smaller brush? I’ve been instructed both ways. I found success with watercolor, yet using various brushes in oils seems much different to me.

@Arr_original 2 года назад

From my experience it depends on what you try to achieve. If you just want a color an a huge area with no movement then it’s easier to use the big brush. As if a area is just in a constant color. If you want to draw a ocean or the sky, you can use a smaller one to indicate the winds and the small differences and the movement in the sky or the ocean itself. This can change from picture to picture depending on what you draw hopefully it helped you a bit. After all use what you prefer yourself

@Arr_original 2 года назад

Just saw that your comment is a year ago so you probably found your own way to do it

@andreajim1000 2 месяца назад

Well, the second clouds also looked better because you spent over twice as long on them. I can see that about mixing the colors painting wet on wet, but in my painting it looks like one color/brush stroke stops and another starts rather than one is in front. Like sky holes for example if there’s a lot is sky peeking through the leaves, doesn’t it look like a bunch of dots if you paint blue next to green over and over?

@PopleBackyardFarm 4 года назад

Excellent information . I love to paint . New friend Ruthie

@paintcoach 4 года назад

Thanks!

@Rick-tb4so Год назад

Can you comment between brushing a cloud and dabbing ?

@taraverkuil8910 3 года назад

Great video! Thanks! Do you always hang your pale next to your canvas? Is it clipped on? Looks ideal! Thank you!

@pgemperl Год назад

This is helpful!

@AH-pu8iu 2 года назад

hey dude love your content youre a great teacher, but has anyone mentioned it sounds like your mic is too hot, we can hear you breathing and gulping and other generally unwanted noises id turn down the input my guy

@Amber-le8ds Год назад

well that just makes sense thank you :)

@debramoss2267 2 года назад

I love this thank you. When you said we don't need fat over lean for things like this, I don't know what the things like this are 😕 Could you elaborate, please? Thank you 🙏

@carolbaughan8768 Год назад

Thick paint over thin

@painterlybrushes4035 4 года назад

Awesome 👍😊👍😁👍👍😉👍

@sp9138 8 месяцев назад

I like it

@Donehv 2 года назад

I am confused , i have learned that you can't mix warm en cool colors together otherwise you get a neutral color instead of it going forward / backward and than here i see you mixing ultramarine and phatalo blue 🤔

@Donehv 2 года назад

I am still a beginner and confused what method is the best. Also confused with warm and cool if you want all the colors . Shouldnt you at least need a warm yellow , red blue / and also a cool one of all of them ? I also heard teal and magenta/ quadrone rose are better to mix all colors than Red and blue because you can get better purple. I really want to know what i am not getting haha xD so many things are possible hope you can help me.

@MrFox64057 2 года назад

Idk I kinda like the first one more

@chrisi8605 2 года назад

How does this advice line up with your recent advice to get the darkest values down first, then add in / layer the lighter values on top?

@ivo76 2 года назад

Exactly

@DylanRomanov 2 года назад

6:17

@TheBanjoShowOfficial Год назад

That’s exactly how he did it though. He drew out the painting, then colored in dark to light

@Myoldaccount-mu7of 3 года назад

How is Bill Alexander able to put clouds over a wet sky?

@granmabern5283 3 года назад

The sky is thin paint and the clouds are stabbed onto the wet sky with a 1 inch thick brush, not smeared on bit by bit. The highlights are touched onto the thick cloud paint with the tips of a fan brush. I still learned from this video and will start my clouds darker.

@RT-mh8en 2 года назад

すごく勉強になりました！日本語字幕がほしい！

@christipatrick1127 10 месяцев назад

Are you using medium here or just mineral spirits? And do you always wear gloves?

@sttarch5150 3 года назад

I'm not a fan of sharp edged clouds.

@_kikizaman_ 2 года назад

Me neither. I paint my clouds over my sky (wet on wet), and they actually always turn out extremely hyper realistic. And I’m not even that good at hyper realism. But when I do clouds the way he said you shouldn’t, they turn out hyper realistic. I guess everyone’s different lol, because his technique doesn’t work for me!

@wolfsommer1767 3 года назад

"There is no right answer!" So stop giving the wrong answers! 1.Painting on top of wet paint is a struggle - wait till it drys! - use your Knife or rag to remove the wet paint - mix more oil or media into your top layer paint it will swim on the layer beneath! 2. Painting around an object? in your demonstration, you are obviously not aware of it - but you are putting a lot of paint on the board - if you want to do that no need to paint around the object just keep pasting paint onto the surface!

@janerogers5717 Год назад

The big cloud in the bottom square looks like it has a nose and two eyes 🤣🎨

@natalialistopadova6204 3 года назад

I don't undrrstand what you want explain. I can do it more contrast, what problem?

@David-jf7zr 3 года назад

Hmmmmm..... That's all.

@dorethablunt5452 2 года назад

You are a great painter,but this video is so confusing what was the point. I didn’t get it,it was just patches of paint on a canvas.

@amelyaatkinson9606 2 года назад

i wish you wouldve sped up more of the vid. the first box was tedious to watch.

@Earthlight777 3 года назад

Bob ross would disagree 😁

@jonathanlow1494 3 года назад

Bob Ross was a lovely guy, and got a lot of people painting, but boy did he teach some bad habits and technique

@granmabern5283 3 года назад

I love Bob Ross and his techniques.

@godoftheLTD 2 года назад

I don't think that there are bad techniques - just techniques that render different results.

@sleyaraze8916 Год назад

@@godoftheLTD that's what Boss Ross would say. Nice.

@sujanithtottempudi2991 3 года назад

One paints over not in alla prima but when you dry layers ....painting around is done in alla prima only....this is usual thing...I didn't understand what exactly new are you trying to say🤔