Beijing believes India is not its equal & why Nehru held a blinkered view of China : Vijay Gokhale 

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India was ahead of China in 1980. China was full blown Marxist while India had a closed market economy. China completely adopted the free market while India persisted with protectionism. India needs to learn from China's experience with capitalism if it wants to compete with China.

What a clever way of saying that Nehru was incompetent....

The disparity is not a matter of belief. It's a plain fact.

Just like Olympic 2020, today medal counts : China 29, India 1. How to treat you equal?

Well India isn't equal to China. Look at the economics. While we should be developing, our politicians are busy with dividing people on religion and bringing back protectionism.

The Indian mind is living in a dream.

India is not China's equal, China is honestly a superpower now with superior economical reforms and look at their currency Yuan lol, rupee kaha Yuan kaha , kaha ka comparison

I think Indian dark history would be open

India it's not the equal to Beijing. Maybe one day but not now so take it easy

Why does she keep interrupting?

Loved the chat..

'Beijing believes India is not its equal'. Well they are not wrong.

""Murder with a borrowed knife"" is a Chinese proverb

If I could go back in time , I would tell godse to delete nehru instead of Gandhi , we could've made ties with the Soviet cos netaji was building foreign ties and probably would become the first pm , jinnah even said he would not opt for partition if Netaji lead the country. Plus none of those sino wars cos close ties with communist USSR and China.

I find it heartening, after reading the comments: that the cooler heads outnumbered the hotheads. There is hope that reason and rationality will prevail. Here a few points that I hope will prove our discussion. 1. Why is India wasting its resources over the Tiber issue? Won't those resources be better employed on building its own economy and infrastructure? 2. Territorial claims. India has had no historical influence nor political relationship with Tibet. Neither does it have a strategic need to use Tibet as a strategic buffer for its borders. The Himalayas already serve that purpose. So why fight over a few pieces of rock and desert? 3. OTOH China has deep historical connection with Tibet, because it was part of the Silk Route going back all the way to the Han dynasty which was about 300 BC. India has no such influence. Throughout history Tibet was never really a 'State' in the conventional sense, but a bunch of kingdoms united by a common religion and a spiritual leader. 4. Tibet is is strategically very very important to China: - It provides a direct land route for invading armies. - it is the source of water for five great rivers, that probably sustained more than a third of humanity. Two of these rivers are vital for China's survival. 5. Both China and India were superpowers in the ancient world. Then they were humiliated, raped and pillage by the Western colonialist. Now that they are on the rise again: it makes sense for both of them to work together and pursue mutual progress, and also influence and bring progress to the rest of the world. ? It is totally irrational for India to salt with its previous oppressors, against a very advantageous potential ally! Is it because of its own insecurity, or has it fallen prey to Weston 'divide and conquer' ideas. 6. Culturally, China acknowledges it's historical and cultural links with India. The story "The Journey to the West", lives on in common literature. So too the fact that it was an Indian monk Bodhidharma that brought Buddhism to China. Every Chinese kid knows these facts. This could be a thread that would you like to do countries. Think of the economic benefits, of Chinese tourists making pilgrimages to the Buddhist sites in India, instead of going to Paris!

Ppl who don't know ... Our great chacha nehru 1) nehru supplied rice to PLA when PLA invaded Tibet . ( french journalist on india china relationship) 2) nehru rejected the offer of Nepal's king to add nepal as province of india ...etc ( auto biography of Pranab Mukherji) Many more advantures of gandhi family Wolf in the skin of sheep ...congress is a foreign govt still colonising the minds of india for 72 years and land for 65 yrs

It is questionable for Indian Gov't to believe it allies with US the same way China did in 1972. China repositioned itself and then opened up its economy in 1978 at the right moment when the US capitals started deindustrialization. No doubt China made a wise decision. Now India must carefully calculate for its own interest what US can offer today other than lip services and what might end up losing by antagonizing China.

US does not think rest of the world power is equal to US so does China does not think India is equal to China and India is not thinking Nepal is equal to India since India’s independence. China is hurting Indian sentiments so does India is hurting Nepalese sentiments. Jay Pasupathinath.

If China feels India is not its equal, how right they are. India is not 1/10 th the capability of China in anything. Visit China once and you’ll know in 3 days.

Mr. Vijay Keshav Gokhale IFS - India's former Foreign Secretary( My Class Mate in St. Stephen's College , Delhi )I and Vijay joined together in 1975 in the same course.

Politicians r the biggest hurdle in our development

I suggest someone write a book on Tibet for laymen to understand its history and links with India and China

Hahaha. Hatred, blame. Carry on. China is not bothered. China is growing n growing.

stand up not need to walk too,but event the toddler can run too!

Hahahahahaahh, India want to negotiate with China BY USE TIBET....actually is WE WANT TO USE Lac to negotiate India to get more lands.

How can Mr Gokhle make these buggers (The print) understand that all the miseries being faced by Bharat is the brain child of Beetle brain... Nehru.

Nobody believes India is equal to China. Not just China. 🤣

Once hopefully Indian political elite have raised the all round life of the people who are mostly very poor, that this attention towards China, will fade. But just because the poverty at the billion level is not fading, that slogans, like China believes this or that, "brand India", repeating the quad propaganda and on and on have to be made into thick padded veneers for the true story of extreme poverty. There is a sense of needless inferiority complex in the Indian political elite, and their intelligentsia and media mouth pieces, when it comes to China and they keep on using terms like "equal", "unequal", "looking down the nose" , mimicking Chinese words imagined or otherwise, to mean the inferiority of the Indians and so on. This is precisely because of the stark fact of abject poverty of crores of Indians and its representations in distorted and contorted forms. And then there is a counter balance in needless superiority complex towards Pakistan. Needless because there is no point in trying to feel superior over realities worse than or at the most, more or less like India. A large country like India has to come out from the usage of comparative words and terms that make this big country of historical fame, seem still yoked to the colonial preaching of Indians as inferior, and the reactions to it as superior.

The title says it all about India’s self-induced inferiority complex. Why do you need to “stand up” to another nation if you are their equal or superior?

I'm sick and tired of so called DIPLOMATS and politicians dragging Nehru's name on every issues to blame him for every wrong. Why don't you do something about it then? Change the policy if necessary for the country's interest. Don't behave like a sore loser blaming on Nehru policy for every ills in this country. He did it 70 years ago. Now, the so called DIPLOMATS and politicians should change the necessary policies on socio-economic and political and foreign affairs. Be damn PRAGMATIC and REALISTIC, DIPLOMATS 🤮😡

Ultimate professional

We have heard of people using "Of the 1% by the 1% for the 1%" to describe the current US system. As for India, it has always been so since the beginning of time. Reform is what India has to go through, and reform is near impossible in this country. India is not the USA, the former doesn't have the capital to play geopolitics.

Thank you Print for a wonderful interview with Mr. Gokhale. Glad to see a bit of Francis Urquhart at the end ! I look forward to getting my copy soon. Godspeed to you Sir.

Nehru is a failure. Even now our foreign policy is not upto the mark. We have to open heartedly join quad and US if US is ready to help us seriously with technology and business

She look like she wait for anything bad about China.

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Diplomatic inexperience is just an excuse, the real reason is Nehru's desire to be considered as a great statesman, and that has hurt IND, is hurting IND and would continue to hurt IND. Recognising Tibet as part of CCP, giving up the UNSC seat, taking Kashmir issue to UNSC.......nothing explains this apart from Nehru's desire to be recognised as a statesman. Unfortunately, such people forget that history celebrates and recognises only and only honesty and nothing else. Every other short cut is just temporary.

He is just so professional, and full of integrity!

The only way India can stand up to China is by at least becoming 10 trillion dollars economy in next 15 years. No one can fight with a hungry stomachs. Now within our country, some states are doing very well. Whereas others are just using taxpayers money even after the 75 years. Time has come to reward the performers.

China’s view of its territory boundary date back centuries whereas India’s view date till post British colonised India. Inherited expanded territory would not legitimate India’s claim. India should learn history better rather than playing victim in this case.

Too poor and too weak to stand up itself.

It looks like without America we are very weak.Tom and jerry.india china.

Better if the anchor had used “prime Minister” Nehru instead of Nehru. Great to see Mr Gokhale sticking with the PM Nehru. Just shows the respect for the position no matter the person

All CSE aspirants, summon here 😂

Rubbish interview. Why did the author join the interview if he didn’t want to provide insights? He appears more concerned with sales of his book

True.Beijing is not equal to us. We don't eat cockroaches, octopus and reptiles.

"Nehru"...... "Yes, Prime Minister Nehru" - Loved the respect shown here.

India was more concerned about korea issue.

China wants to be number one in Asia ,so India will have to make policies to deal with it.

Now is 2021..this host talk about dalai la ma a dying man.

India beat china or china beat India is just an assumption. When it happens there will be nothing left for discussion. The border should be respected, one can't live in past.

This diplomat lacks sense of indianess and patriotism.. He doesn't have the passion to defend india...

Sound quality is worst

Good insight into the issue from a diplomatic point ! It is for the political leadership of PM Modi to devise a cunning and calculating strategy to deal with China. India needs to engage with China (deeply eventually)because that country has the knowhow and resources to modernize India's pathetic and crumbling infrastructure dating back to British colonial days!! The Europeans and the rest of the west are already engaged with China and the other Asian giants!

This channel has lost the credibility, ever since this creature called Gupta has been auctioned for dollar and a half. 😀😁😁

He is very tight-lipped about controversial issues....i wonder if thats what diplomats are like

This woman again?Gosh!

Not all Tibetans believes Dalai Lama.

Good interview as always by JM - but felt like the writer was dodging important questions

India is equal only in population no. and totally opposite in term of performance and goal achievement. However, preaching others without self reflection and BS is truly second to none. Guess bcoz all the smart ones already long left and migrated.

Chandrasekhar It is the lack of common sense and leadership quality led such a situation. Darfur Patel warned Mr Nehru well in advance about Tibet and Arunachal Pradesh.

This time is Modi's time "Not impotent of past leaders including Nehru" . Modi know how to hit on face of oppositions.

When your neighbours is being massacred... you just closed door and pretend nothings happened and socialize with murders .... you never thought you could be next: from Tibet, And India relationship, the message is that always help your neighbours when in need to ensure your own safety.

What china took many decades to achieve, we took only few years.

Why do you care so much of what Chinese think of you? Chinese simply have no clue of what India is like and don’t care. It doesn’t mean arrogant or what, it is simply because the mountains are too big between the two countries and historically no much connection btw the two.

India's partition benefited only Red China.( Around 1947 while Mao was consolidating / expanding China , we were partitioning )

Sir Ji, come to “Kitabwala” at Lallantop

has any one learned anything new from this interview?

Indian's are engaging in territorial issues, first they have improve of their economics & people's lives to deal with China

Tibet is going no where that coward lama live in dahli and talk big tell him to go to Tibet and fight for his people

This kind of so called thinkers are actually blinding the Indians, especially the youth.

When India newly became independent it was not ready for it's entry in global market. It needed to stabilise itself. Also just after few decades there was wars with Pakistan and China while today also India under mr modi still talk about atmahnirbhar not globalisation. While confusing the initiatives. Both that time and this government has taken many wrong decisions people are taking sides but wrong is wrong it can't justified by blaming the past while doing nothing or failing to do in the present.

This might have been painful for jyoti

There was no India as a country in the history, it was assembled by British. It was British-India. The problem with the Indians is that they want to inherit those territories the UK forcefully took from the neighbouring countries.

Leaarnt

Indian army won us the Dhoklam crisis and to be frank our "good for nothing civil servants" squandered the opportunity at the negotiation table and our low IQ PM is enthralled by these sweet talking IFS sweet hearts. And Ms.Jyohti was right in the beginning, our retired civil servants should be in TATA or Birla, they are good at selling Tea and salt, but never good diplomats. Sorry for being frank about our IFS. They have let us down.

This is your karma

Why Print keeps running this repetitive topic? This topic has already been discussed multiple times in the past.

The lndian's fail to realise that the moment it's tongue grew longer, it lost all the creditabiltie's.

Do not underestimate India, China may be stronger, the willpower to fight for the country is stronger with Indian armed forces personals. They are volunteers , whereas Chinese armed forces personals are forced to join the armed forces. Do remember China lost to Vietnam in 1979.

For whom this lady wants to know that what was behind certain decisions by government of India in recent past ? Is your channel partly or fully owned by China ? Or r u paid by them to ask such questions?

Second version should b launch

Various vision long scale Vijay Gokhale writing this book on China

Ma'am you're not good at these Happened with rajamohan too You interject too much with very stupid questions Sorry

JM in top form here. At only the second minute - "Can I interject here....." 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

India really needs to stop looking outwards for its mistakes. China is not the main problem for India, a rival and adversary yes, but the Himilayas maintains relations well.The first step for an entity to grow is to look within itself. India should try and become a grander India, not a second China

We lost so much during the Nehruvian period.

Mr. Gohlke you are still very very over cautious with the Tibetan issue, thats very harmful to India and not to us Tibetans. These are weak signs of the Indian leaders in the passed Galwan incidence last year.

For all those Indians who complain that China not treating India as equals, they should first ask themselves is there any major country from the QUAD and EU that treated India as equals.

The conversation included bullshit questions & round round answers

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What Mr Vijay is saying is correct. We should be prepared. Preparing should start with strategy.

Chinese have good impression of Indian before the border clash in the 50 and 60s. History show to the Chinese that India is the place to learn about true Buddhism. Many generation of Chinese scholars since the inception of china nation until Song dynasty travel to India to opening up to true teaching of that religion. All these reverse when Nehru took the easy way out to grab border land when china was weakened by the British and other western aggressors. Today indian politicians harp on China threat narrative propagated by again, the western racists in politics and their media, disregarding the facts that China's southern border with smaller nations like Bhutan, Nepal, Sikkim, Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh live in peace and some have been neighbors without losing an inch of territory by

As a Chinese, I give my comments. 1.There is barely no connection between China and India in British-India era, cold war era, as well as today. Just imagine a stranger passed by when walking on a street, are you going to evaluate if you are equal to him or not?? No, NO AT ALL because no need to between two strangers. 2.Playing Tibet or Dalai Lama card is a new wishful thinking of India. Now Tibet has GDP per capita more than 3 times of India, let alone the slave master's refugees. China performs flexible negotiation without breaking our baseline. While India or Dalai Lama wants to break it. So, no need to negotiate at all. In addition, Dalai Lama has been 86 years old, after he passes away, China will not accept his refugees. and there may be a new one certificated by China central gov. 3.Since 1980s, China never has military cost/GDP more than 2%, while never below 2% of India. It is a big burden for developing economy. Keeping the border tension on is a good news for China, as well as Indian army, because India would never use military budget to boost economy. 4.At the early stage of 1950s, China stress the position of India not only because of diplomacy policy, but also for India's economy which is better than China. But after China complete the first 5 year plan and many industry index surpass India, China realize that India gov or Nehru can do almost nothing but simply keep what inherited from British-India. From that time on, it is clearly that China will first surpass India first and gap on and on inevitably. So, it is since later 1950s to depict the trend between China and India today, rather than 1980s by many Indian experts. Finally, China would not build a global coalition to against India because there is no need to fight against a stranger at all.

When world-class diplomats are busy improving trade relations with other countries, including China, to buy all the geopolitical leverage points, India focuses on the border issues and political quarrels with China as the central issue. There will be no war between two nuclear states because there is no winner, only loser and loser in a nuclear war. Our diplomats should know that geopolitics is the superstructure of economics. Therefore, if we don't grow our economy, build our domestic market, train our laborers well to attract foreign investments, we don't have any geopolitical leverage against China, especially given the sheer size of China's comprehensive national power, which is seven times compared to India. Hence, we should freeze all the issues against China for now and focus on growing our economy rapidly. China-US rivalry presents us the best moment for India to play an independent actor where both US and China are ready to offer us a better deal if we show diplomatic cunningness.

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Very interesting! The inability to grasp the seriousness of the overtly expressed Chinese claim on Tibet..to convey that effectively to the then Indian leadership, forget blocking it, is a continued Indian failing. Can't recall over 40 years of spectacular Chinese build-up, anyone who analyzed its implications and blew a compelling whistle to alert all Indians to the threat. Even today the leadership is lax in galvanizing and leading an all-of-India approach to meet the Chinese threat.

It's about time Indian diplomats wrote more and more about the Chinese Communist Party. He was very coy about how to negotiate with the Chinese. Here are a few things to remember when negotiating with them based on my observation as a layman. 1. Never glorify them by calling them Chinese. They are the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). By giving them a national identity, we empower them more than they need to be. CCP has only 95 million members, while they control a nation of 1.4 billion people with brute force. 2. CCP are bullies and they only understand one language, the language of force. 3. Never confuse their temporary retreat for permanent retreat. They will never permanently go back, they will wait you out if you don't have patience. 4. They are masters of psychological warfare, at least that's what they want you to believe. Don't confuse their bravado for actual strength. 5. It's about time India played offense against them on cyber, drone, AI, and other emerging technologies. Otherwise in 10 years, they will be emboldened to engage in misadventures. 6. Always be on your guard. CCP thugs can never be trusted.

We need to urgently handle the poor and stupid breeding like crazy to be anywhere near being a developed country. Their confidence that the country will take care of their spawns blinds them to family planning. A huge chunk of tax payers is wasted on freebies and loan waivers of incompetent farmers. An