There was some subtle shots taken probably due to don lemon getting offended but it didn't resort to outright name calling which is a step up from how these dialogues usually go.
So you're saying the statues are educational? That's ridiculous. These statues celebrate people fighting for the wrong side and shouldn't exist. Educating people on history is best left to teachers and text books
yeah teachers and textbooks which omit anything that doesn't comply with the marxist agenda, and which conveniently forget which of the two American political parties was responsible for slavery, Jim Crow laws, etc.
Check when these statues were actually erected. It was during the height of the kkk, not during or shortly after war. They're no more a relic of history than if they were created today. It's just an excuse
He backed his point of view with an analogy that related to Ben as a Jewish person and Ben agreed. You can laugh at the form of what Don said, but the content makes sense.
comiu That isn’t the point though. Ben himself has said many times that HE is bias. Everyone with an opinion is bias and for Don Lemon to say he has no animus against Trump is laughable.
And he made the great point that leftists in media have a leftist agenda, while pretending that they are neutral. And the agenda is expressed in their reporting.
@@edwardchristopher6588 He thinks, speaks fast and knows his facts and topic what hes talking about! He also says more words per min than Others, he doesnt say only whats needed but gives extra to it!
They wanted to remove a statue of William Penn from Freedom Park in Philadelphia, and those in the city and those around the country rose up in protest and it was a battle we won. William Penn's ship was named the Freedom, He didnt come here and declare war on the native Americans, he learned their language, he became friends with them. I'm just glad they didnt remove it. Its a shame these statues get removed, without the Liberals knowing the full history of some of these figures
Glad u asked!🤗The “slight of hand”pulled by networks like cnn msnbc abc cbs mtv espn is that they pretend to be objective in their analysis .In other words,they claim to be “the most trusted source for news””unbiased” “ “ call it like I see it” or whatever their slogan may be, as a way of by passing criticism for OBVIOUS left wing bias.Say what you want about a guy like Tucker Carlson or Bill Oriely, but they don’t hide the fact that they are Republican, if anything they wear it as a badge of honor, because they are “op ed” guys giving you their opinion. Left wing networks (cnn in particular)pretend to be journalists, even though a guy like Lemon,CLEARLY has a bias that leans left. It would be insulting to your intelligence and mine to hear Bill Oriely try to claim he doesn’t have a right wing bias! right?....... Riiiiiiiiiight! Don’t play dumb!!! Shapiro exposed that in Lemon. I got $100 bill says if I quoted something from Fox News you might say who cares what they think they’re “Alt right”. But if I said who cares what cnn thinks they’re “alt left”,you would probably say something to the effect of, “so you can’t take the truth huh“ completely ignoring the fact that the source (cnn) is completely bias, thus eliminating the validity of anything that comes from that network. It means lefties don’t get to hijack the intellectual or moral high ground anymore! Don lemon had to contradict himself in order to answer Ben Shapiro’s questions, and for those who truly understand the nuance of that conversation, Know that Don lemon wanted nothing to do with Ben Shapiro on his show! and the only reason they let Ben on was to seem unbiased in light of the fact he was banned from speaking from the Berkeley campus for being an alt right neo-Nazi, despite the fact that he is a practicing Jew , A narrative that CNN helped propagate by the way! Watching Don lemon pretend that he isn’t bias is a lot like a child with chocolate chip cookie all over his face , trying to convince an adult!, That he didn’t get into the cookie jar . Don lemon got his hand caught in the cookie jar. The people who don’t want to see that will never see it! the people on the right already know this! and the people who don’t know any better would tell you of course that motherfucker leans left what are you stupid! It’s just like when they pull the cameras away from the burning buildings in the background to talk about the “peaceful protesters”
It's as I stated in a comment above, but I thought I would reply: Don's IQ is so low and Ben's is so high that Don can't see the forest through the trees. He just keeps trying to argue the details of Ben's examples, not realizing their only purpose is to explain the effect Trump has on the media (edit: by demonstrating Don's bias).
True. Dumb Lemon is still an idiotic Leftist puppet piece of garbage though. And, yes I strongly believe he remained calm because he knew if he tried to initiate a debate with Ben then we would have had his ass handed to him.
I love Ben, but I mean this was a normal ass discussion and they were respective of each other. Do I think Ben would win against about any argument from the left? Yeah. But I mean - we should be *encouraging* more civilized moments like this.
Where are the statues of Hitler in Germany? You think anyone is going to forget what the Nazis did just because there are no statues? This is pathetic.
@Nick Johnson He isn't wrong, says who? You? So your response was educated ? Take your own advice, educate yourself, or continue to chase your chew toy, you sorry sack of ..... garbage. 😉
@louis leuellyn 4 paragraphs and no actual good facts other than trump pulling troops out of the Middle East which is a good thing. You would rather have American troops die just so our “allies won’t get sad. That is sick. He is putting America first and is the most anti war president we have had in a long time.
@louis leuellyn People like you are the reason I voted for him. People who talked a lot like you are right now have also informed me very 'thoughtfully' that I needed to be beaten bloody and left to die in the street, put in a cage (that would probably kill me, I was raised wild with three square acres and wandering the immediate outside area for a mile or two in any direction when I was seven years old), put in a Concentration Camp, ankle-monitored, rejected and shunned from society, not allowed to go to school, or buy food, vote or go to ANY public building. They've also informed me that I'm an ape half-breed, any variety of friendly names like whore, slut, bitch, cunt and others. It's funny though, they never said I shouldn't pay taxes, the irony is one small amusement. It's laugh or cry and I know which I pick.
Everyone is biased and everyone is a hypocrite in some way. People can be biased and still speak truth. How people don't understand this simple concept is beyond me. Lemon definitely doesn't.
The fine people on both sides quote is one of the most taken out of context things. Edit: Peeps are asking why. The reason why is because he said nazis and white supremacists should be condemned totally while saying this. He also explicitly said he wasn't talking about them. In case you were unaware, a number of people make the claim he was saying nazis were fine people.
I like Ben because he isn't afraid of a good debate. He has compassion and strong ethics. He understands that each person has what the experience in life that affects beliefs. He doesn't critize you for that. He will attack if your advocating for something when you don't have a clue what you are saying. Even in those situations, he is usually polite to a point. I think he's a genious even tho i have no proof. He's a good man and i also appreciate the person interviewing Ben. I don't know him but i think he's probably a really nice guy. He's soft spoken and not getting all defensive like most others.
A "point" of view is inherently biased, as it is viewing a situation from a limited perspective, ergo a "point", as opposed to subscribing to researching the "view", which includes all facts, testimony, etc. A "point" of view excludes the innumerable amount of "points of views" that exist outside of that single point of view, and therefore, saying that you have a point of view at all means that you are excluding other views, or are biased towards accepting your own point of view over the views that are excluded. Reporters can do two things, objective reporting (reporting the "view") or opinionated reporting (reporting the "point of view"). Opinionated reporting is fine, when marked as opinionated, and vice versa. Don failing to understand that a "point of view" is not synonymous with the objective "view" is why you can't trust anything from the people preaching "My truth"; In definition, the statement "My truth" is actually "My opinion", and "My opinion" = "My point of view", which is (obviously) not the objective "truth" that they claim to be referring to when justifying "their truth". In conclusion, Don, you biased, bc you don't even know what bias is. Boom roasted (didn't know how to end this lol)
@@jacqueskuno323 You couldn't have said it better! Absolutely ridiculous how he made that statement. Goes to show how garbage much of the media has become
@@jacqueskuno323 No. Unless by bias you simply mean "point of view," which clearly Lemon does not. The definition of bias generally implies a prejudice, thus also a lack of fairness, which seems like the one you support. Just because you hold a point of view, doesn't automatically imply you did not consider other points of view. It is plausible you rejected them because they were untrue, irrational, less plausible. That's not prejudice, nor unfair, unless you also hold a snowflake definition of that word, implying that all opinions are equally valid. If your ideology were correct, we could never claim to have a fair justice system, as it would always be a biased one. Also, your ideology seems to reject truth, and that is self-refuting. Lastly, there can never be an "objective view" in a strict philosophical sense, as a point of view, or simply one's view, requires a subject. Here again, you hold to some non-standard fringe view that "point of view" is somehow different than "a view", while the rest of the world uses them interchangeably. Implying that there is some sort of "my objective view = truth", is literally saying "my truth", or that truth is subjective, something you berate Lemon for implying. Now, you could say that in your opinion something is true, thus objective, but it could never be that your opinion is objective as it requires a subject: you. In other words, objective truth exists outside of us and is independent of whether we recognize what that is or not. So your view, or pint of view, could reflect objective reality but you still come to this realization subjectively. "Subjective" does not imply false, albeit "objective" does imply truth. Subjective is of/from a subject, objective is of an object. An object is what it is, whether or not we can subjectively describe it accurately, or as what it is, is another matter, but our opinions are ALWAYS subjective. Do notice that when Lemon makes this statement, Ben nods in agreement. Thus, all three of us disagree with you, regardless of what we think of the actual issue being discussed here.
Interviewer: "I hate white supremacy" Ben Shapiro: "me too, but America shouldn't be told what they like and what not" Interviewer: "I agree" Video titles: OmG bEn DeStRoYeD hIm
@@777Skeptic Yeh, you're right. But the reason I watch Ben Shapiro videos is not the same for "toothpaste life hacks" videos. My expectations on both are a lot different.
@@matthewlee8618 i can't agree with misleading and disinformative titles just for they sake of RU-vid's algorithm and growing views. And I believe i'm not the only one complaining.
B- Head it’s part of our history, if you tear down our history then we’re doomed to repeat it. We can have statues. And you supposed to teach your children not to be like the idiot in the statue. Is there a statue of Hitler anywhere? That would be really messed up.
@@b-head6961 we should allow statues of hitler in public. If the public doesnt want it there they can vote and get it removed. Freedom is important no matter how offensive it is mate
that was actually a really good debate between the two. There was no destroying going on from either side. They both heard each other out and allowed the other to speak without interruption. and I realize my exact comment has probably been said 200 different kinds of ways throughout these 7 years since the video was updated.
At this point, 41 people agree with you ... However, 8,773 people agree that Lemon was proved to be wrong. Not "just" an opinion... it's pure fact and provable, quite easily. Any questions?
No questions. It is just that more than 8000 conservatives have pre- disposed biases that make them inclined to dislike liberals, and Black liberals in particular like Don Lemon. thus, they will justify to themselves that Ben Shaprio won a debate in which he clearly did not. Just because a majority of people agree wit something does not mean that it is correct. Any questions?
The title is misleading. Ben did not own Don. They both had opposing perspectives but Ben did not own Don. He (Ben) had posture, but his agenda was basically the same as Dons. Give us a damn break and be truthful.
It's crazy watching this in May of 2023. Don is unemployed because of low ratings, Tucker is unemployed because of high ratings and Ben is thriving more than ever.
Good point, but its tragic that they young radicals are ignorant of the murderous socialist regimes of the 20th century, some of them still in place to this day.
@@ishaanrahman9880 yes it is just a stupid statue because it ain't like its gonna hurt you or your family ,and by the way the confederacy was more about succession from the United states than it was about slavery ,and let's not forget that the union flag itself was used to oppress the native Americans let alone the kkk.
@@ishaanrahman9880 lol dude they're just stupid statues ,i really dont give two shits about Confederate monuments to be honest I just think is getting too ridiculous to a point that they're now looting American monuments as well such as Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson,George Washington and Ulysses s grant.Not to mention food products that seem offensive .
Johnny Utah I agree. I'm growing as tired of "destroys" and "savage" this and "ends career of..." that as I am of "racist" and "fascist". These words hold no weight anymore.
@@danielcastillo9587 your kidding right...Don Lemon is an idiot who tells stories the way he thinks they should be. Shapiro at lease basis his opinions on facts.
Wait... he didn't destroy Don here, he corrected him politely. DOn says hes not bias then shows he absolutley is, then Ben said its okay to be bias, but you should recognize it... thats it!
The guest is trying to have it both ways --- first he makes inquiries about the host's *personal* views, then as soon as Lemon articulates them he attacks them as if they were *professional* views. Classic fallacy.
I agree lemon came thru on this one. Granted he is a black man offended by Confederate statues, it's hard for even Ben to debate. (Edited Ben's name from been)
@Frank Pichardo "The idea on human dignity and mankind being equal is recent?" Jesus was preaching for the equality of mankind and defended the individuals dignity 2000 years ago you dummy, it is the foundation of western civilization. Hitler also convinced the German people to slaughter Jews for economic reasons and millions of slaves were killed. Everything in your comment is incorrect lmfao
The Truth B Jesus was by far not aligned with this world. Although Jesus came to save sinners, not to give universal healthcare. “Render to Cesar what is Cesar’s” implies separation from politics. Jesus never said men were women and viceversa.
Shapiro said that critics of the media claim the media has a general bias and personal animus against the right and Trump, and that in this case they want to the statues to come down. Lemon initially denied it. But then, by Shapiro sort of pulling a Columbo ended up getting Lemon to, without seeming to realize the significance, fully admit that he does indeed have a bias, and a personal animus. He still says he'll leave it up to people to decide whether the statues should stay or go, but he makes it perfectly clear that he doesn't approve of their existence. It wasn't "destroy" in the sense of a fighting match. But Lemon's claims of objectivity that he began with were completely undercut, by himself, by the end.
Wedge W You're absolutely right about that. I suppose I was keying in on the word "destroy" too much. Perhaps if the title of the video was phrased differently, I would've had different expectations.
Thats ironic bc this is the daily wire, and ben shapiro is the editor of daily wire. SO that being said. ben shapiro represents republican and he edits for the daily wire which is the group who named this video
No one destroyed each other, they had a respectful and civil discussion and conversation. However, Don Lemon should note that while having an opinion doesn't make you biased, if you insert your opinion into the work you do as a journalist, then yes you are biased (you're being subjective, and not objective). Don is not the only one, so I'm not going to single him out. Just thought I would make a point.
I'm no fan of Lemon, but you're missing the point of what he was saying. He mentioned Hitler because Hitler despised Jews (which relates to Ben, like Lee relates to black people)
@@bxfguif Lincoln asked Lee to be his general. If Lee said yes, he would go to war to his home state which led to him saying no. What a disaster for black people, if people dont want to lead an army to their home. You did know that Lee was Lincolns first choice right? #NaziLincoln (HEAVY SARCASM)
Story Teller Lee would have fought for the Union if VA had joined it and was sought to be the lead general of the union. There were racist on both sides. The union soldiers didn't fight to free black men and did not treat blacks as equals. When they finally let blacks fight the union men wanted nothing to do with them and treated them like subservient trash. Slavery and white supremacy was an American problem not just a sothern problem.
the northern aggressive land grab as well. slavery came much later. lincoln offered to free the slaves (only in conferate states at first btw) so as to weaken the south through internal strife. then in the north to help union forces. the south lost because of the usual interference as the south was relying on help from Britain that was at first secured then reneged upon. again, orchestrated by the usual suspects.
“Destroys”.... this was literally one of the most calm and reasonable conversations I’ve ever seen Mr. Shapiro have with someone who identifies with the left.
I was listening to this and thinking this was a conversation after the Tulsa rally June 20, 2020; WoW way to grow up 🍋 but no this is from 2017, & lemon is still a DBag, infact an even bigger one now 🤦🏻♂️ I'm disappointed with the Wire, caption does not fit the vid at all. Ben has "destroyed" plenty, this was not one of those moments.
Absolutely! The Democrats were slave owners. The Republicans freed the slaves. The Democrats started the KKK and created the Jim Crow laws. Why do over 95% of blacks vote Democrat?
@@peacefulpreexistence2178the democrat and republican parties of today share nearly 0 resemblance to the ones that existed during slavery so that argument doesn’t really work
Democrats are still holding black people down. Their support for planned Parenthood - an organization founded on keeping the black population in check, the welfare state - created by LBJ to buy black votes, not to mention all the pandering to black people while doing little to really help them. Any black person who did a little research would flee the Democratic party.
I find it amazing that Lemon says 5:10 "people don't know their history" and yet compares Lee to Hitler. - I'm sorry - Lemon is clueless about the Civil War.
What is the obsession with confederate statues? I just don't understand why people want to look at statues of insurrectionists who attempted to overthrow the United States of America so they could continue to enslave other humans.
@@nickbirbeck1197 honestly don't know. And I am a conservative. The people who are represented by the statues are horrible people. However it is the past and these statues should be a symbol of what not to do. I don't care if statues come down or stay up.
@@saradadhakal4748 taking down statues is an effort to erase history, whether it was good or bad. Hence the term cancel culture, there is a group in existence today that wants to cancel anyone or anything that disagrees with them. They want books removed, they want children’s cartoons removed, they want statues removed. They will try to destroy any person that doesn’t follow what they believe. They will dox them. They will bombard the person’s employer. They will follow and harass that person. That is the problem. Blm is a group that is behind a majority of this. They want supposed “white” culture” erased and replaced with “black” culture. They try to teach that you should be ashamed if you skin tone is light or that you are inherently racist, subconsciously racists, o that you owe black people something. The apologists leftists support this ignorance and the lefty white groups and blm feed off each other’s rhetoric. What I wrote here just touches the surface, but I hope that helps to explain
@@lucythedachshund6793 yes I agree with you but then again should we let nazi and commie statues up? They were evil people like the Conferederate. I want to hear you views
Is not a conversation is an argument over the media bias and Ben destroyed Don by rephrase him what he just said. Haha! Ben is too good foe those liberals/Marxists.
@@LovinMusic1965 If only we could see this level of intelligence at Presidential debates, like the debate between Trump and Clinton during the 2016 election was just a bunch of hurling insults at each other and name calling.
@@e.mcm.9076 No it is two people that have different views because they were born with a different life. I don't care about the statues and can see why people want them to stay up and why some people want them to come down. The problem is most people argueing are not open minded and are easily offended on both sides.
Just a little fact: Gen Lee disapproved of slavery. He chose to fight for the South because he could not draw the sword against his own country (Virginia). Back then, people still thought of each of their states as autonomous entities, or "states".
This is nothing more than a white-washing of history. This type of confederate apologetics has been creeping through our society ever since the end of the war. Read the 13 articles of secession. Everything you need to know is right there.
@@lastfridge5602 who said I was trying to refute the exact point of the main post? This is an effort to paint Confederate "heroes" as some sort of humanitarians that really, actually, probably, were just misunderstood and wanted to stand up against the government. They sure wanted to stand up against the government, but only to preserve the practice of slavery. I don't care about Robert E. Lee's personal feelings about slavery. Or whether or not he was fighting for "states rights". He's a Confederate. Therefore he's a traitor to the United States of America, and a defender of slavery.
@@emilyrock8594 Trump derangement syndrome: someone so blinded by their useless hate for Trump. This hate is so powerful, they are unable to function in society without talking about him. Almost an obsession with Trump.
Because the black man was immediately arrested and charged. In that case, justice was served. On the other hand, he has spoken about the other cases of cops who murdered innocent bystanders (ex: Breonna Taylor), who have still not been arrested. Justice was not served. Hope you understand the difference.
The police had a no knock search warrant of her property and upon entering Breonna's boyfriend shot at the police, they fired back and she was killed, it's a tragedy, yes, but what justice can be served? Police were responding to the bullets her boyfriend started. Your statement that after justice is served the media don't report is wrong, an innocent child among countless other children have been killed and the media is always silent on it, nothing to do with justice but rather because it don't fit a narrative.
@@happyirish1545 The point was that there was a no-knock search warrant in the first place. The debate was if no-knock search warrants are effective in catching criminals. In this case, it wasn't. Also, it wasn't like the police knocked on their door. No, they used a battering ram to smash their front door in. No matter what crime the boyfriend was accused of, the suspect is always innocent until proven guilty in this country. In this case, the no-knock warrant was unwarranted, and resulted in the death of an innocent healthcare worker.
@@happyirish1545 Justice can be served fro holding both the boyfriend and cops accountable. There was no reason to blindly shoot inside of an apartment, without a clear view of their target. That is simply irresponsible. And just because the media didn't undergo constant dialogue on the death of the child didn't mean it wasn't reported. The fact that you know of this sad death is because it was reported.
@@Draagreon It may deserve a report to keep the public aware that crazy people exist, but we already knew that, hopefully, unless you live under a rock. Mental health is a known issue, and another discussion. So yes, I do not believe it is newsworthy to report the proper handling of a crime. Even if it were a crazy white guy killing a black child, it should not be big news if justice was correctly handled. It is more newsworthy to cover issues that are not being resolved with the current systems we have in place.
"Everyone has a point of view, it doesn't mean that they're biased." LOL. No, it actually does mean exactly that. The media is SUPPOSED to recognize that their point of view IS their bias and that they need to strive to overcome that. Journalistic integrity is dead.
Right?!?!?!? That is the definition of biased... omg wake up ppl!!!! A reporter is supposed to say, this isn't about my opinion!!! So frustrated....I dont care what a reporters opinion is, but every reporter does it today!
No. It doesn't. It means that you have a point of view. Being biased means that you are trying to enforce your point of view. There's a difference. As a journalist, just as any person, Lemon would have a point of view on a variety of subjects. However that doesn't mean that he's trying to impose that POV on others. Would you agree that the hosts on Fox are biased? If so, then why is one more valid than the other? If not, then your just lying.
@@LarryAllenBrown yes they're both BIAS, including Shapiro, thank God for veritas and private journalists that really want to make a difference and be gone about the money. Righteousness never looked so sweet. Trust nothing a publisher signs off on, or a former president provides to schools(g.w. Bush foundation sends books to school). Or anything else that is considered exceptional amongst academics or a power structure. It is why Trump was elected. 100 percent.
Robert R Lee was never a racists nor did he advocate slavery. A top graduate of west point and an accomplished military leader. He did not want to fight against he statesmen, which were Virginians, so he made a choice. Also, ALL Confederate statues, etc are protected by federal law and all Confederate soldiers are considered is veterans by federal law. They were our family too. Just because you fought on the other side, didnt make you evil. Lincoln never wanted to end slavery, he just wanted to keep the country together. Until the North was struggling, he then signed Proclamation to help turn the tide. I wish history was taught properly.
@@cheatyoutuber285 not entirely, were there some that wanted slavery. Yes but there were lots of pro slavery people in the north. Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment which would have prevented slavery from being outlawed. The only reason it didn't pass was because the war was over more issues than just slavery. Mainly unfair taxation of the south for infrastructure in the north, and taxation without representation as southern delegate had little representation in congress.
As the American Civil War Museum spells out clearly, Robert E Lee owned slaves. Crying shame yhat you can spread your disease on the internet and not pay a criminal or financial penalty for it. That would be the only way to get people like you to shut tha funk up
Clickbaity title. Ben Shapiro actually destroyed Piers Morgan. No destruction here. A title like this makes me think it's a video posted by one of Ben's many parrot channels.
@@CoolMyron yes really. Statues can’t talk so however a person is depicted is how the people will perceive them. If the confederate statues were made with snakes coming out their their eyes then it wouldn’t be a problem, it’s an accurate representation but that’s not what we have here is it.
@@justinmendy9455 seeing how the statute itself literally says what therefore. I don't see how people who never pay any attention to it whatsoever should have a problem with it. It's not that big of a deal. Half of the Americans don't even know who these people are. They're just taking them down cuz they see the word Confederate. And it's not like the statue says "here lies a slaver, had 100 slaves". That is not a thing. Whether you like it or not it's a part of America's history. If you just start tearing things down because they're connected to terrible and bloody events. They would should go and start tearing down entire cities. If we can't even acknowledge that a general may have fought for the Confederacy not because he agreed with it but because his family was in the south, then we are a pathetic people.
@@CoolMyron “it’s not like the statue says ‘here lies a slaver, had 100 slaves’” therein lies the problem, if it had said that at least people know that he’s the villain in this story. The statue isn’t history, you admitted yourself it doesn’t tell us anything “half of the Americans don’t even know who these people are” so why do we have the it then and in public squares none the less? Why are we aggrandizing the losers of a war? Why not put Hitler up there too, that’s part of history. We make statues of great people or people we think are great and that’s exactly what they daughter’s of the confederacy had in mind when they erupted these statues. They hoped to blur the lines years down the line and it did because we’re having this dumb conversation. The confederacy were traitors and they lost but that’s not the history that everyone is taught especially where these statues existed.
There was a time that I took pride in saying that I am politically left leaning and progressive. But being left now is whole different shit. I don't wanna let go of the word ''LEFT'' but the meaning is changing now so I might have to stop associating myself with left.
I'm sorry you feel that way. But I think you are buying into the labels. Left Right the more you identify as one or the other the more separated you become from the other side. Abandoning the label is one thing, but abandoning the label because of what you believe the media portrayal is kinda buying into the whole, let's all continue to be separate. Do you get what I mean?
@@randomchick245 Yeah, I do get you but I am not saying that my ideologies have changed. I'll just not associate myself with left now. cause it'll lump me up with neo-liberals inevitably.
I just acknowledge the need for social change and social freedoms not found in the republican party. Does this mean I hate and spit in the face of every so called conservative? Of course not, I listen to a lot of Shapiro’s stuff too and agree with him on a lot of things. It’s sad that so many on the left and right have gone off the deep end and promote so much hate.
@Jack Dempsey are you stupid? or just willfully ignorant? "white people" did NOT start slavery, which existed on every continent and with every race LONG before the Americas were populated by humans. the African slave trade itself was started by Arabs , who continued the practice right up until the 1970s in Arabia and other Muslim nations.
@Jack Dempsey Like I said, learn your history. First of all, slavery has existed since ancient times, and it was not necessarily determined divided by race or background. It existed among all cultures and races. Now let me educate you on how U.S. African-American slavery came to be. African American slavery was not started by white people, it was started by other Africans. Who do you think sold American's the slaves in the first place? As a part of the Atlantic Triangular Slave Trade, Africans sold their own people into slavery to America. So no, "White people" are not the ones who started slavery.
think it refers to the argument, which Lemon loses every time he debates Ben, instead of "interviewing" him. DESTROYED eviscerated slaughtered! LOL! Pretty sure Lemon and Shapiro both hate Trump.
"We shouldn't pretend that there's this fake objectivity" "Everyone has a point of view and doesn't mean that you're biased" "It's not that I don't like the President" "I'm simply speaking the truth as I see it" "I have a personal animus to people who are ignorant of their history" Lemon almost choked covering up his "objectivity"
As a Korean-american, i grew up hearing my grandma curse Harry Truman constantly for pulling america out of the war and letting china win. If my high school had a statue of harry truman, id just curse it under my breath but i wouldnt demand the city pull it down. If anything it makes a good conversation starter. Almost as good as a Douglas Macarthur statue.
@@joelee5875 Why would, or should, people view history in another way? Groups are beholden to the needs of no group other than their own, even if Truman had a good reason for not letting Macarthur nuke the "Neck of Manchuria", it's completely reasonable for a Korean to be angry about it, given their country is still cut in half with no outlook for that changing any time soon. History exists as it applies to oneself and their people, the westward expansion of Americans was incredible for Americans, and awful for natives. Alexander was great for the Greeks, and awful for the Persians. It's silly to try and take some kind of objectivist stance on history, unless you start measuring peoples based on their contributions to the world, which I don't imagine is a path you would fancy.
@@ben8147 I think I was trying to say that many things including histories, can and should be viewed from different perspectives, for instance, "Groups are beholden to no other group other than their own" then why learn another language, build roads, feed the starving,? etc etc. You also mentioned North and South Korea and it seems that the North has taken your advice somewhat to heart but I think it's worth mentioning that although the landmass is roughly the same that South Korea has about twice the population of North Korea., this speaks volumes to me. In regards to things not changing anytime soon, I will liken this to the way that the majority of the people in the US understand that smoking is bad for one's health and has acted accordingly, I don't believe that South Korea is going to somehow default to the whims, wishes or the laws of North Korea this can and probably should go in the other direction (regardless of the wishes of either China or Russia) As to what I fancy or not, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider the said accomplishments of any person or any group. One last personal idea I wanted to mention is that I think defining one's terms is essential to one moving on and not wasting time. To put it more simply. Judge, judge, and judge again and then make a judgment.
People do realize that Grant and Lee did fight together on the same side once haha. its unfortunate that Lee has been made out to be racist bigot in history. There is so much more to his story and what happened.
"I only have personal views against people who don't know their history well" right after he parallelled Robert E. Lee to Hitler. And Lee was the one *against* slavery, commanding Confederate forces only because the Union did not recognize secession and fought against his home state of Virginia. Robert Lee fought out of patriotism, fought for his homeland and his people's right to sovereignity, while he condemned slavery. Hell, he even received a proposal to lead *Union* forces, which he denied. And I know it while not being American, which makes this even more ridiculous
Juan You are correct. In fact Lincoln had asked Lee to fight on the behalf of the North, but he was a Virginian and felt his allegiance was to the south. Mark Levin had a very good history lesson on his show about this very subject.
Doesn't matter what his reasons were. He was a highly trained and skilled general from West Point who CHOSE to fight against the union. Boy, people sure don't seem to have a problem with trying to rationalize shit when a White person does fucked up shit but it's cut and dry when it's someone from another race. Robert E. Lee was a West Point general with on oath to uphold and he chose to disregard it when the war broke out. That was HIS choice, but then again maybe he knew that because he was WHITE people would rationalize his actions.
Todd Yizar Lee wasnt going to draw his sword against his own people, you idiot. if you think the civil war, Lincoln invading the south and ushering in out of control huge government that can never be stopped is or was constitutional, you are delusional.
Todd Yizar He was a skilled general from West Point was also a highly respected American officer before the war ever broke out , what you have to realize was back then fighting for your state trumped fighting for the country he is known to have denied the offer from Lincoln to take control of union forces on the grounds of he COULD not and WOULD not fight the state of Virginia General Lee was a great military leader and tactician his ways are still taught WORLDWIDE , did he fight for a cause that was bad , yes, but if you look deeper he didn’t believe in slavery , he thought that it was safer to keep the slaves he INHERITED for their own good he set up a school to teach them which umm not supposed to happen right he should be beating his slaves because he is a powerful white man who’s state just happened to agree with the side of slavery
Lemon is actually a fairly reasonable guy as seen in this discussion. You don't have to agree with everything he says and of course he is left leaning but as a moderate he seems alright to me.
First off Ben did not remotely "destroy" Lemon here, that's just shameful clickbaiting. Ben does what he always does, states the facts articulately. And Lemon clearly became a lot more openly partisan and hateful of Trump in the years following this interview, so the bias that Ben alleged here, and which Lemon denied, turned out to obviously be there. Lemon is not unbiased or objective in any way, shape, or form.
Clifton McCall no one in the North was fighting against slavery. Period. The only reason the emancipation proclamation even happened was to politically sway Europe to support the North over the South.
"I only have an issue with people who don't know their history", Robert E. Lee believe it or not, was a godly Christian man who actually allowed his slaves to go free but they liked him so much they preferred to stay with him. Mr. Lee wasn't a wicked slave owner. I mean, his own reasons for being in the Confederate States was really just because he wouldn't turn on his fellow kinsmen. Let that all sink in before you villainize Mr. Lee. Do note, I am NOT a white supremacist nor do I agree with their agenda nor do I agree with their methods. I am a Christian man stating what is true to the best of my knowledge on an apparently touchy matter.
True. Lee was reluctant to take up the helm. As I understand, he did it for Virginia, his home. The poisoning of history, weaving all things Confederate (and subsequently American) into the same thread representing a white-hooded race nation is as delusional as it is sinister. All of it a revision of the past, fitting the ever-evolving temperament of a radical progressive intelligentsia. Truly this is a chapter and verse in their book against Western civilization itself. We hear the same cries against the Confederacy directed at America's founders and the whole of colonialism. Everything in American history is painted with the same black brush of racism, so what's the point of having one fact or another? When a people and a nation are branded with a form of original sin, truth and reason are abandoned for malice and retribution. Exercised by prejudice, ironically enough.
Don Lemon is such a hypocrite, "i only have a personal animus against ignorance" and He's comparing Lee to Hitler 🤦 ignorant of Lee's history, cringing just watching him the whole time
He freed them because he had to when he inherited them, he didn't want to. In fact, he petitioned Virginian courts to extend his reign over his slaves to reap their free labor. He's not as innocent as Confederates deem him as.
@@jhroomy acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-lee-slaveholder/ That link has sources on it as well. There is also a quote somewhere that he deemed slavery beneficial for blacks.
