Put the video in .75 speed. You can tell Ben shapiro has no idea what he's talking about and makes all kinds of random statements that aren't true. He talks fast to convince people he's smart. Don't listen to Ben shapiro. He talks emotionally driven nonsense.
Yaser Masood hes smarter than the average bear for sure but you arent wrong. I think because he talks so fast and has sound answers people often dont bother fighting him. You dont have to go very far to see that he uses fallacies that goes over peoples heads. The time it took you to explain about his fallacies hed be done with the subject.
@@darkwolf1739 The funny thing is how he often calls out semantics when he literally uses that to burn people even though his actual point doesn't correlate to the subject in the way he portrays it.
He is stupid though, he throws around statistics and logic, that's not being smart that's being a mindless sheep, he's so afraid to have his own opinion
matthew gallaway Yeah, but the point is that Thanos is literally insane. He believes wiping out half of all the life in the universe is the only answer. He's not too unlike the joker.
Dwight K. Schrute Its not so much that Thanos is insane as he is set into his beliefs as he has seen both the downside of people ignoring his methods, in the case of his home planet being destroyed due to overpopulation, and the upside of halving the population of many planets, such as Gamora's home planet and resulting in a prosperous life for the remaining half. He is so determined to carry out his mission because of both tragedies and successes in his past which have reinforced his beliefs more and more. And I mean, for everyone except for Spider-Man, the end result of Thanos snapping his fingers is a painless and fearless death, which he deems as mercy.
@@jpscharged doubling resources isnt logical also. we have enough food for everyone, we just don't distribute it. look how much food is waste at restaurants after closing. if thanos doubled resources. the rich would just hoard it.
Still, he is the highest paid actor of all time. That makes your opinion completely irrelevant. It is not bad to play the same kind of character in every movie. It gives us the sense of continuity. I will give you an example of Linkin Park. Their album back in the day named Hybrid Theory was a really big hit. But when they released their song Heavy featuring Sia last year people severely criticized it for not sounding like Linkin Park because it was a little modern EDM type. The problem with some people is when they see someone's performance in the movie and he performs really good resulting in the movie being a hit, then they expect that actor to play the same kind of role in his every movie. If he doesn't then they say well he wasn't that good as he was in the last movie. SLJ has tapped into that and therefore he gets the big bucks.
Shreyas Gham Okay, I like SLJ but implying he's good because of the money he's made isn't the best way to go about it, in my opinion. That would mean that Nicki Minaj, Justin Bieber, etc are talented musicians. 😂
No shit. Ben Shapiro's videos are basically the brown note of youtube political commentary. His shrill voice has been known to make people shit their pants uncontrollably.
hes right on the money about marvel cheaply killing off characters with future movies..the smart move would not to release future movie titles and facts until a month after infinity war came out or to do that as a red hearing name fake films that are actually other films and then keep some characters dead or keep for example non main heroes dead like buckeye and others
@@crossfaded7666 It couldn't be Black Panther. Black Panther died too quickly, and besides, Spiderman was literally whining to Tony like a four-your-old boy to his father.
Scott Sullivan Exactly what neel376 said. Also, simply because the hero's are also main characters doesn't nessescarily suggest that the main focus of the story is centered around them. Ben states that it is Thanos' story.
Scott Sullivan yeah everyone saying they felt the film is rushed and didn’t understand it and it didn’t answer anything forget that A. It is being continued in another 2+hour movie and B. The directors intended for this film to be Thanos film with the heroes as the side characters with their plots. It’s a complete film from Thanos viewpoint
Avengers 4 Major spoiler Alert: When every other option fails Nick Fury recruits BEN SHAPIRO and then there is a debate between BEN and THANOS . BEN shreds THANOS to pieces and the Universe is saved . Avengers 5 Plot : CENK UYGAR then comes to the fore claiming it was actually him not BEN who defeated THANOS and when people would disagree with him he would suggest everybody to "google it".
the thing is they did kill some people off and had stakes..in the last film...not infinity war..i mean loki dies but outside of that which they retcon too for a spin off show to make more money off people smdh and they kill like 2 people off 1 stays dead and hes a minor character so like ok...gamora staying dead for good would of made infinity war a 10/10 film for me..not going to lie...thats real stakes...but they pussied out...kinda wish 1 avenger died in infinity war for real too..like kill off thor or have hawkeye snapped..he didn't do anything
This is the actual explanation for why Spiderman was able to sense and survive slightly longer than the other characters who were killed off by Thanos. Good on you!
Miguel Hernandez You're not wrong but if you randomly kill half of the universe you're left with the same problem so doubling resources seems more logical to me.
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Even if he could do that. Then the universe population would increase WAAYYYYY more and then when these recourses end, in a very short time, it will be worse
Bullshit the Infinity Stones can bend rewrite the laws physics, space, time, and reality. The facts are this movie is terrible and is terribly written. @@infernodragon456
I personally liked the growth of the father-son relationship between Tony Stark and Peter Parker. I mean, everyone knows that Spiderman will come back, but that scene where he's dustified and Tony's holding him I thought was really touching.
‘I know they’re not dead because I’m not a stupid idiot’ -Ben ‘any action performed using the infinity stones is irreversible’ -red skull in the next movie
I've said this before about Black Panther (the movie)... it isn't supposed to fake out the audience, it's about the characters who remain believing those who died aren't coming back... and the emotion of the audience should be for them, because they don't know what the audience knows
Exactly I don’t know why some people just don’t get that. With that logic we should never feel any tension in any film ever because we know that the protagonist will win in the end. Even if people like Black Panther and Spider-Man didn’t vanish it, we would have known that whoever vanished was going to come back simply because of the fact half the universe went with them. There is no way marvel would allow that to be the new reality because at the end of the day it’s a comic book movie.
Exactly, and the fact that Marvel was willing to kill off half the universe for an entire year until the next movie says something despite the fact that they’re coming back.
Everyone knows that the characters that died during the snap will probably be back, the question is how. And what really makes this movie, IMO, is the character interactions. That's what personally made me love it, and I'm sure it's why most people will see it, also Thanos is a great villain.
That's the state of modern comics. If it works for you more power to you. But for some of us stories can only be rewritten and characters brought back so many times before any suspension of belief and emotional involvement one was able to give the stories just evaporates.
Cyphrum ᕙ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ One would consider his actions "mad". The greatest villains see themselves as the good guys. And Ben Shapiro is just a negative individual he never says anything positive.
himmelsturmerIX lmfao true. And there CGI moment with Superman's lip was horrible they couldn't even do a lip and marveled that I a whole person made him look real. Marvel is so far ahead of DC it's not even funny watching the interviews of the cast was hilarious when I asked about DC and Samuel L Jackson said Marvel has some kickass superheroes and DC has interesting bad guys LOL
Because it's easier to make something fake look real, that making something real, look real again, and instead making it look fake. It's like reinventing the wheel, but you reinvented the wheel into a square
It's a review. Of course he isn't gonna just make faces and say "the movie was good, the writing was good, acting was awesome, score was amazing" like a dumb fanboy.
Good point but I think for the characters that faded away the point is not for you to think they are dead the point is to see the consequences of thanos' actions and how they affect the living characters, because those two things are what the next film is focused on.
Exactly! I cried when Peter faded mostly because of what I imagine it did to Stark. He was basically the son Tony doesn't have but clearly wants. But he's also someone ELSES child and he was responsible for Peter. So Tony failed Parker, Aunt May AND himself and that just ruined me.
Chinko 69 The characters don't know that, that's literally the entire point of the scene. Or did you need a stranger on the internet to explain the basics of dramatic irony?
It's no coincidence that the original Avengers are still alive by the end. They're most likely the ones who're actually marked for death to bring everyone else back in the next movie.
Diego Ledezma I thought that too but as it turns out in the UK the original Avengers was released as Avengers Assemble for some reason.. too bad a would have been a perfect title for Avengers 4
a crusty krab is Thanos really a villain tho, or just a anti hero? He sees the problem and solution everyone decodes to ignore. Sure it's a fucked solution but never the less it's would still work. He's not trying to kill life, he's trying to save it.
Qwerty yeah, it was different.. he's newer, younger, just a kid.. he was terrified. the others have been through major stuff before, so it's different for them. that's how i saw it, at least.
David Curry interesting catch.. good point. 😉 *SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.* another thought for you: i believe dr. strange said that he gave the stone to thanos because he considered every other scenario, and they'd always lose. so while the audience is all "wtf, doc?!" i think that he made that decision knowing that, ironically enough, giving thanos the stone was the only option to ultimately winning. i mean, of course they're going to win, but the point is that i think dr. strange has the foresight to know that his decision is the right one. the way he said it (can't remember the exact quote) just got my brain churning. ps: maybe you noticed that on your own. just wanted to share in case you didn't.
Ben Shapiro bashes Infinity War for killing off characters that will clearly come back but praises Batman V Superman for killing off Superman when he was clearly coming back...
I agree with his major problem. I had to suspend my intellect so I could feel the complete impact of all of the characters who died. I know they will be back after the next movie, but for a brief moment I felt the pain from their death. Definitely worth it.
jking0351 King I have a feeling that in order to get those characters back, most of the og avengers are gonna have to sacrificed themselves for that to happen.
jking0351 King bro it doesn't suspend your intellect. If anything it increases it bc you have to look at the bigger picture of how the characters surrounding the death feel. Like imagine what Tony is thinking or okioya
Isaac11 this. I think that the reason that they "killed" all those characters was BECAUSE that fans know about future movies. Now, in the next film the stakes are real, ANY of those character can truly die.
I like that Ben is willing to at least acknowledge that Infinity War is well made, and well acted. That’s a fair review even if you aren’t willing to be at all charitable to the actors and film makers. I still stand behind the fact that Infinity War is the crown jewel of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Infinity war sucks and here’s why first off there’s no mentioning of Batman whatsoever second off where the hell is aqua man he’s missing in action thirdly Micheal Jackson is the reason why coach got the last infinity burger thus Turing almost everyone into brown sugar even peter Barker also why didn’t Hercules just gather all of the Greek gods a long time ago to scare off coach from trying to collect the infinity burgers. No satire and emotion whatsoever where the hell is hawkeye the only one who could stop coach with the help of doorman and the Fant4stic also there was not mentioning of the two best characters in marvel ever squirrel girl and Howard the duck!!!! Like what the fuck dreamworks get you’re shit together!!!
I think his point was that he would prefer they just skipped the part which they are going to reverse anyway, kept the important and lasting story progression and went on with that ultimately "real" storyline.
Jonathan Pilz That the movie had no point. It is one big tie in to the real movie. Even the cliffhanger you already know the answer to, so there is no point to this movie. You're just waiting to see how it is executed. It is as if you read the script to a play and you're just waiting to see how the actors play it out.
Got to disagree with Ben here, reversing deaths in comics is commonplace. This story line is straight from the comics. The snap happens in the comics too. IW was awesome!!!
@Sasuke Uchiha I mean... Isn't that the basis of all superhero movies for the most part? Happy ending? I knew there was going to be a reversal from the point that Strange gave Thanos the stone and told Tony it was the only way. He knew the outcome, he also knew that was the move to beat Thanos. The fact that Thanos killed half of the universe and then ends his crusade would also be a terrible end to the movie lol.
Ben Shapiro: Had to figure out they didn’t all die due to future movie releases and possible loss of profit Everyone who read the Infinity War comic: 🙄
AsurasPath22 correct that was the main hint. He looked into the future and saw only one possible victory. Once he realized they weren't on that path he gave away the stone saying "we're in the end game...it was the only option" was the hint. So he opened up the path that leads to Captain Marvel being called (end credit scene if you haven't seen it) who is the only one truly capable of possibly beating Thanos, giving the potential for a second fight down the line rather than everyone dying.
Elijah Lawrence I think you're missing the point. He doesn't open the path so Captain Marvel can defeat Thanos. He makes a decision that is absolutely contrary to Thanos' decision. Thanos traded a life for power. Strange traded power for a life. That's the whole point of the movie. If he traded a life (Stark) to keep the Time stone, he'd be just as evil as Thanos.
Adam G. That's actually an awesome thought. Opposite decisions for opposite ends of the moral spectrum, I guess would be a way to word it. Which in a way could be considered to lend credence to it being the path to follow to defeat Thanos. Kind of an equal and opposite reaction.
I think it's true that all the character deaths softened the impact, but I noticed that nearly all of the characters who died were the young, recent avengers (black panther, spiderman, etc.). Doesn't that strike everyone as a little odd? I have a feeling that Captain America and Ironman (the old Avengers) who at some point have to be written out of the franchise, may sacrifice themselves in the next Avengers movie in order to bring back the new Avengers. Just a prediction. I can't think of a better exit for Captain America especially.
If the rule was "you can die if you are either a supporting cast character or a main character who is less interesting than your supporting cast", I would believe that they were dead. This is why I could kind of buy when T'challa died. He's lame, the antagonist of the film was way more interesting, as was his sister, girlfriend, best friend, and head guardswoman. A movie about them trying to rebuild Wakanda while dealing with his loss would be a good film. Seeing Doctor Strange die took me out of the movie, because he is the only interesting person in his movie. Also, It would not take me out of the movie if Captain America had died, his main superpower right now is leadership and moral fiber. Having another character cast into his role would be tremendous and compelling character growth for whoever that was.
Ok but lucasfilm and disney doesn't give a flying fuck about star wars so they're willing to kill off whoever as long as it fills screen time. It's not like they have an actual story to fill in the movie, just Ruin Johnson's garbage.
@@ryanseow4494 I was talking about how I feel towards starwars. My bad man, should have specified. I feel disney doesnt care about old star wars characters, but I doubt they'd ever kill one of the new ones. It seems the ones they do kill are all shallow and exist just to die.
They clearly intended to portray him as a villain who has understandable motivations who is just too extreme The big problem that even regular viewers are picking out, is that Thanos isn't just too ideologically motivated, he's also an idiot He has the power of a god literally at his fingertips, and of all the ways he could possibly solve that problem, he picks perhaps the worst one, that isn't even a long term solution
Ert Gret if he double the amount of resources, he will double the mass in the planets and stars, therefore, the gravity of the planets would crush every kind of life,suns would be transformed in black holes.... and the universe would over
Killing half the universe so that the other half can benefit. I don’t know why Ben trying to re-write the movie. Thanks is a villain and his philosophy is suppose to be evil.
Ben: "they're not going to kill of the stars because there are already movies already slated on the books with these stars" After watching Endgame: Rip Black Widow
The problem Ben has with the snap is essentially the sane problem marvel has had for awhile now. The sense of tension is gone when you know that certain characters aren’t in any real danger since they show up later on. But I disagree with Ben on this one. The characters deaths aren’t purely for us to mourn. It’s for us to see this relationship between characters hit this emotional stop. Spideys death was emotional not only for the death, but his fear and the sense of loss tony has from that moment. Like a father watching his son die. It matters that he died, regardless of his future resurrection, purely for the fact that he did die. He wasn’t saved last minute, or a gotcha moment. He died and everyone had to sit and watch helplessly as he faded away. And the impact of that moment will affect future decisions and they way our characters look at things later on. Getting a nasty cut on your body matters little when you know it’ll heal in time. But in the moment it hurts like hell and you’re bleeding. And you’ll bear the scar of that moment for the rest of your life.
Fuck it. I became a believer after no one died in Civil War , and I still felt heartbroken . You don’t have to decapitate Captain America for those movies be top tier lol .
The snap comes out of the comic books, later in the comic books Nebula gets the gauntlet off Thanos and does the cosmis reset. Ofcourse we know it’s going to happen because the movie is based off of the comics... His arguement of us knowing they’re going to come back is just stupid. I knew throughout the entire movie that is was going to happen, still enjoyed it a ton.
I do think it's interesting when the biggest complaints about a film is things that aren't actually in the film to begin with. It's not the films fault that a lot of us know that some of the dead characters still have contracts for already slated movies or that it's made by Disney. It also seems a bit ironic giving out spoiler warnings about what happens in the movie and then reminding everyone of the business side of the movie that doesn't feature in the movie at all. If you had seen the movie without knowing any of the this extra stuff this 'review' spoiled you more than a person who hadn't seen the movie but knows about the contracts and business side. You should judge a movie based on it's own merits, not by how much of your "homework" you had done before watching it.
I think certainly the quality of a story is enhanced by the philosophies of its characters being sound and understandable. I'm not saying this one is not, but I do think it is good writing to develop characters' motivations to a point where the viewer can empathise to some extent even with the bad guys.
1:45 "So I have a couple of problems with the movie ... " He then commences to say what he likes, then at 2:26 resumes enumerating his problems, of which one is Thanos' motivation is insufficiently explained by his "Malthusian nonsense" because "no one explained to him" the problems with Malthus and Paul Ehrlich's philosophy. The thing about villains, though, is that they have warped values predicated upon bad philosophy.
Yumidoro Iro - Understandable, yes, but it's also okay for them to be flawed. I'm reading John Truby's "Anatomy of Story", a great how-to book on fiction, and he writes about how the best villains have a moral code that is "flawed, but understandable". While Thanos' logic is almost instantly refutable, you *can* see the logic in it. Likewise, the best heroes also have flawed morals, though they often work through them by the end of the film. To their credit, most MCU films seem to have a handle on this (and the Phase 3 ones have just been knocking it out of the park).
This is just like any other time a movie lets the viewers know something that the characters don't. It's not cheating. It's a plot device to make us feel bad. Empathy for the remaining characters is the key to not feeling cheated out of the meaningful deaths of the others.
D00M SHR00M It's a lot easier to empathize with them if you also believe they're dead. I would have had a much easier time being sad for the remaining characters if they had killed black widow and captain america instead of black panther and spider man
yeah definitely. I think they are gonna try to have all the original avengers have a grand showdown in avengers 4 (that way we'll get more cap screentime too) and then a bunch of the "survivors" are gonna die, followed by the fellas that turned to dust being revived. You'll notice they mostly killed off the new avengers, while as the originals are gonna have their finale in part 2.
also tons of people read books and then go see the movie. a lot of people already know of the infinity war comics and what happens. the point is what you said. see how it effects the characters and even though I knew I still could feel the impact it had on stark. im like wow stark has to be really sad right now.
The theory is that they left the old Avengers remain to kill them off to make way for the new avengers. These actors can't keep playing the same parts for another 10 years. So the theory is the old guard will sacrifice themselves for the new one.
be-careful what u wish for, cuz cap's death has been saved for avengers 4. as is his meeting with tony, ALL guardians and avengers fighting side-by-side, thanos's story coming full circle and so much more
Valid complaints. But for me the sadness really came from the empathy of the characters. They are all experiencing death. Not sad because i won't get to see them again. We know we'll see them again
(just to be sure, spoilers for Dragonball) That's how I learned to approach deaths in Dragonball and Dragonball Z as well. I know they won't stay dead permanently, but the experience still is real for the characters.
he has a point . when thanos choked loki to death , it felt real and made us ready for something dark . but when superheroes died due to thanos snap , it just felt like naah they arent gonna kill half of the main characters in such a way . they are gonna return somehow in the next film . though i have to say , this is one of the best marvel movies ever made .
I didn't think black panther was that good. I like the character but the story seemed so rushed as if they picked a formula then filled in some dialogue.
They're not trying to "fool" anyone. You have to consider how the ending feels for the characters and not your meta knowledge about this movie, it's like you're choosing to not enjoy some parts. Also, the fact that something can be reversed in a sequel, doesn't make the previous movie obsolete, that's nonsense. We're dealing with 6 stones that have enormous powers, if you don't expect crazy stuff to happen then it's really not for you. Dr strange used a stone to see 16.000.000 different timelines, and you're gonna complain about how they'll probably bring them back? Of course they will, but the heroes in the movie don't know that and they seem to feel hopeless, AND NO ONE knows HOW they'll bring them back. So that's the exciting thing about the second part plus some potential "real" deaths this time around.
I love how he speaks facts and is so logical about it but it’s a superhero movie. And we all knew that Spider-Man would come back but it doesn’t change the fact that the scene was very emotional and sad
You can always find something to take you out of a movie if you try hard enough, and you could try to sum up every movie in 8 minutes. I knew what was going to happen because of the comics. I watched it opening day and I knew someone who cried sitting a few rows above me, and so I had to keep myself from laughing. Despite that, and the planned movies for the future, the way that the movie brought every character together was still captivating, and there is still uncertainty as to how these events will affect the future movies.
Paused at 4:50 just to comment my opinion on Ben's issue. I understand where he is coming from, but he is taking a meta perspective. Look at in in-universe. From an in-universe perspective, what happened happened. The next part of the story is how that is dealt with, and huge chunks of it undone. If we know that a certain character will be back, that doesn't mean that the character who witnessed their death knows that. This is where suspension of disbelief comes into play, and we wait to see how this is resolved. I mean, just as we know that many of the dead characters will ultimately be saved? We also know Thanos will ultimately lose, because it is a hero/Disney company movie, and the villain won't ultimately win. Arguing that the movie has less impact because we know the killed characters will likely come back is a lot like arguing that the entire movie series isn't worth watching, because we already know the good guys will win. Sure we do. But we don't know how, and we don't know at what cost, and we don't know how they'll rebuild. Well, we don't know how the killed characters will be revived, or at what cost, or what new problems bringing them back may entail. In the end? It's a movie. As long as the story is more-or-less internally consistent, we should be able to enjoy it.
While its true that in-universe these characters are actually dead, to Ben's point it breaks immersion within the story for an audience member to know that theres a Spiderman movie currently in production. It's much harder as an audience member to feel like a part of the story with that knowledge invalidating basically everything that occurs. Personally, it makes me feel insulted that I know the cost of victory is essentially nothing at this point but the directors are asking me to close my eyes and believe its huge.
Adam Wolf Except there should be some sort of resolution to this movie beyond pure set up for the next. The point is that we DON'T know the cost of victory except that it is significantly less than what we're "intended" to think it is. Because of this, there isn't any conclusion to this movie in any sense pertaining to the Avengers and as such it is a failure from a narrative perspective. Its really fun to watch, but there isnt any point to seeing it again without immediately watching the sequel, which in my opinion is a poor design choice.
As much as I love "Infinity War", this is a very valid complaint when you consider the reality of the corporate entities behind the film. However, I don't believe this tarnishes the impact of the final scene on it's own merits as it is still an effectively constructed "finale". But hey, "that's just, like, [my] opinion man".
Winter Summer that’s pretty funny, but from what I understand Vision is still alive, and Black Widow is also has another movie coming out. As for Iron Man and Captain America, I think there were plenty of times they could’ve been killed off and weren’t
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