What do you mean "even if"? From my understanding, D2 use to be THE blade steel before M390. But yeah, it really is hard to beat. I've bought about 10 Microtech and two benchmade clones so far and they're all awesome. No, I haven't seen an authentic one up close in person to compare, but they're getting so good with clones that besides the blade steel, everything else seems identical. I saw a video of someone comparing a real microtech and a clone, and the only reason the clone failed because he hammered it into a piece of wood. Well... I'm not going to do that to any damn knife, so all he did in that video was convince a LOT of people that they're going to go with the clone, including me. Not a fan of stuff made in China, but this is one exception I will make since it's just a knife.
I live in brazil and to import a original one I would have to pay double while I don't even get taxed if I buy from China, so sometimes a replica is all I can get.
I have no problem with clones so long as they don't try to pass them off as the original. Putting it in a box marked as the original, having the item marked as the original, etc. that I can't get behind.
You're not wrong. Anyone who would pass these off as the real thing is a liar and a thief, and deserves to get one stuck up his/her backside😝 But when you buy a "Benchmade knife" from AliExpress you know full well that it's not the real thing, and it's not going to be of similar quality. It doesn't really hurt the original makers, since the people they aim to sell to are hardly likely to be shopping for budget knives at AliExpress. That said, it was a Ganzo copy of the Byrd Meadowlark that convinced me to buy Spyderco knives. I'm now the proud owner of three Byrd knives, a Native 5LW and a Manix 2LW, and in time there will surely be more. It was an outright clone of the Mini Griptilian and one of the Bugout-clones shown by Paddy that convinced me to invest in a real Benchmade knife. And so today I got me a real Mini Freek, and I'm liking it so much that in time there will surely be more (real) Benchmade knives in my collection. I think for most people who knowingly buy a clone it'll work the same way (or am I the only sucker out here? 😖). I also think it doesn't really hurt the original maker since for the most part they're not exactly fishing in the same pool of knifebuyers. That said, when spending a substantial amount of money I want to be sure that I'm buying from a reputable reseller, and even when buying through Amazon you might need to assure yourself that what you're getting is the real thing. As with anything else, we need to be responsible buyers.
I noticed the Chinese websites that sell these always advertise as clones or replicas. It's when someone buys a bunch of those and trys to pass them off as original somewhere else
Hi Paddy. I have one of these clones. It cost me £17.70 I've got to say that I'm not disappointed in any way shape or form. I can not afford a real Benchmade 535. So, this little beauty in my eyes is wonderful. I don't know how much the real thing costs. However, I just know that I can't afford one. I'm not criticising what BM charge for the real thing. I just looked on the website where I found the clone, and thought, that's a nice looking knife, I'll buy one. What I did notice in the websites knife information, is that it describes the blade steel as D2. This was even though it says s30v on the blade itself. I do have to say that if I had the money, then I may well buy a real one. Even though I think the clones printing on the box and the knife in places, is better. Best regards Paddy.
Clones are theft of intellectual property. Benchmade paid for the design and engineering, and someone in China stole it, called it their own, and making a copy. You wouldn't say the same if you were buying something really expensive, like a refrigerator or a car.
Theft of design, i agree. Engineering, not much. If they have cloned the "mechanical" aspects and quality of the whole thing it wouldn't be a cheap version, but a full copy with different trademark - which makes no sense. To copy blade and handle shape is something quite ordinary to do; many great marks do it. The problem is trying to sell a copy of a original as a different piece, or pass it as original - both things are ridiculous.
@@mountaindont34ify the pocket clip and pivot screws are a dead giveaway. The original clip hides the screw above it. The clone doesn't. Also the etching is different on the butterfly
Paddy: I'll give you $20 for the' real' one. Just kidding. Several months ago I bought a Bugout clone with aluminum scales for $23 USD - SHIPPED - and it also is virtually identical to the 'real' thing. When Benchmade can slap a price of $140 on $10 worth of materials and labor, it proves you can fool some people ALL the time. The inescapable conclusion is that Benchmade is vastly, obscenely overcharging for its products. Thanks for another great review.
Thanks for the video comparison. I wouldn't call that a clone, I'd call it a fake. The difference is the fake tries to pass itself off as something it's not, a clone may just look/feel/act like an original, but doesn't try to pass itself off as an original. I've never seen a fake with that much attention to detail. I'd be really interested to know what steel and heat treatment the fake has, since they have to cut corners somewhere and that seems the most obvious way. If it was a reasonable steel and not trying to pass itself off as a name brand, I would probably buy that in a heartbeat as a working spare.
I was sent a counterfeit Benchmade knife from eBay seller, he got reported and banned. Blade quality is atrocious. S30V steel has vanadium molybdenum and holds an edge near forever, the Chinese counterfeit is useless. But it will cut cheese. The people in these threads thinking they're buying the same thing for cheaper are delusional.
they copied the butterfly logo on the fake one. Call it what you want to, it’s trying to pass itself off as the real deal. If you buy this for 20 bucks, it’s a decent deal, if you buy it for what an actual bug out goes for, That’s taking advantage of someone
I would have no idea it was a clone, that quality looks incredible. Whatever shop is making those clones needs to hire a good designer or two and do some original designs -that craftsmanship at that price point would be a real threat to any of the budget lines out there today.
Why would they do that when they can make WAY more money selling counterfeits?? It’s a shitty way to look at it and an even shittier thing to do, but that’s Chinese business “ethics” for you.. Plain and simple.
This is an old comment.. I just wanted to add that this knock-off most likely came from a factory that was either making or asked to make the originals. This happens all the time with factories, there are no laws against this so in many cases, you hire a factory to make product X and then they do that, but also sell that same product as their own to another country and you're none the wiser in many cases.. nothing you can do.
Here's the biggest differences that I see that weren't mentioned. Hope it helps... 1.) The C on the box of the clone is a lot different from the original. Almost seems bigger than the rest of the letters. 2.) The clone's box is smooth and the real one's box is slightly wavy. 3.) The clone has stonewashed flats and the grind is satin. Whereas the real one has satin flats and a slight stonewash on the ground parts of the blade.
Everyone going want kno where to purchase the clone… 😂 looks so close…I personally don’t own any clones.. I hope lol, but I think it’s good to have options, a value one and you kno a high end one. Some ppl can’t afford $200 for a knife.
Those are minimal differences. The main one that I see is the difference in color from the thumb flip tabs. One is a brighter blue and the other is much more dull.
Hi Paddy I bought a fake benchmade proper on aliexpress, and it is super, fit and finich is superb ... 15 us dollars home in the mailbox ... I just love that knife thank you china
There a lot more of us at the lower end of the income spectrum than at the top. We need a good knife just as much or more than the posh pricks with money and privelage. Bring on the clone reviews brother. I'm in the market.
You’re right many people can’t or don’t want to spend $100+ on a knife. That’s totally understandable. There’s plenty of original designs from mainstream makers like Kershaw, Boker and CRKT that are nice knives that sell for about the same or less than these “clones”. Buy them and don’t support theft of US intellectual property.
@@williamh9100 I do buy CRKT, it is also a local company, so even better, but that said. The whole intellectual property argument doesn't work on me so much, I've had original ideas that I've tried to patent, which would have cost thousands just in patent searches and legal fees. I've also tried to approach large companies to see if they would be interested. They didn't want to even see my ideas, because my idea "may" have been something they were workimg on, and caused conflict, suposedly??? Fuck the rich, most laws are created to protect them and keep the rest od us down. Look how the pharmaceuticals go in the US versus overseas. Plus, the meds are made in China, mostly. With COVID-19, we may all be fucked because We allow and support corperate greed. Hope your loved ones dont suffer due to this...
@@andrewwinchel4659 "I've had original ideas that I've tried to patent, which would have cost thousands just in patent searches and legal fees." Your statement only strengthens my argument. These companies that they are stealing from already spent that money for patents and legal fees. If you were that company owner you'd be pissed. Furthermore, they then have to spend more money to fight these thieves and in the end the consumer has to pick up that tab. So it hurts all of us. It's not just about a knife, this stuff is running rampant. It's even worse when someone buys a product and thinks it's legit and it's really a fake. Even more so if it's something that could get you hurt while using it if it's not up to a certain standard and thieves don't care about safety standards. And you're right about meds being made in China. Who the hell ever thought that was a good idea? Nonetheless we've let it happen.
In my opinion it shows how much Benchmade is over charging for their knives they shouldn't be $100 + for a pocket knife they charge twice what they should
Couldnt agree more,they are taking the piss with their prices,just got a mini presidio cf £140 in the uk and the quality control(or lack of it) While not shocking is very hard to justify for the money.Torx not nipped up properly,blade off (surprise surprise)centre,ok tiny bit of open blade play and grind sharp but so toothy it like a serrated edge,im honestley happier wirh my CRKT pilar3 which cost less than half the price,each to their own but dont think ill be buying anymore benchmade🤷♂️😀
I can't tell you how much I agree with you. My vocabulary isn't expansive enough to express my agreement. Screw the big rich companies, they'll have to compete.
No apologies needed. Last night, after the live feed, I went on Ali Express here in the States & couldn't find the clone listed. I've never used AE before, so maybe I didn't search correctly. The clone box looks better than the real thing to me also. The way I protect myself from clones is I only buy brand name knives from reputable dealers. I would buy one of those clones. Not to scam anyone, just to test out a Bugout for way less than the real thing. It looks like an excellent copy.
I’ve spent a little over 500$ on 3 Benchmades in my life great knives great quality great service... but these knives are damn near the same quality and the steel is not shit steel I doubt it’s s30v but it’s a good knife holds a great edge 🤷♂️ it is what it is
The steel is very very likely to be a Chinese version of the Japanese made AUS-8. The most common variant being 8Cr13MoV, which itself is only slightly worse than AUS-8 (not quite as hard, corrodes a bit more) however the 9Cr variant is almost exactly the same or even better than AUS-8, although you wont find it commonly. I always knew that a knife with a thin blade and plastic handle wasn't worth $150, and ever since I discovered clones I knew I wasn't wrong.
Dear Patty, sir I today just recieved my very first "Wish" clone, a 940-2 an can say I am as happy as a lark! Mine other than saying D 2 on the blade where I believe it should say S30, an regardless its a fantastic knife, Fantastic!
@@bothompson4911 believe it or not you don't need to make a lot of money to be able to buy 1. I work minimum wage and I carry one everyday in my pocket
Absolutely amazing video I cant tell the difference at all and think the bugout clone might be one I buy myself Where are you selling your knives would love to see what your selling 😀😀
Love the video. I bought a clone of the Kershsw Blur S30V. I'll be damned if I couldn't tell it from the real thing. The "Speedsafe" worked as good as the real thing. I watched a tear down of the real deal and it was identical, down to the color of the parts inside. I'll be honest, I am assuming it's a fake because I paid $30 on Wish. Sharp as hell.
It's easy to sharpen a knife with cheap steel. There have been many professionals who have tested these Chinese counterfeits and they do not work as intended in the field. So as a display piece or to play with they may be fine. Nobody should be delusional and think that a five dollar Chinese blade is going to work as intended. It will not.
I could tell which one wasn’t made by Benchmade because the bevels were ground evenly on both sides! Seriously, the grinds on the fake are better than what my Mini Grip Came with. I’d never have spotted the difference without seeing them side by side, but the thumb studs also do look a little different. The fake has lighter colored anodizing and the drive holes look shallower. Maybe they even use smaller bits? Hard to tell. It’s crazy how good this is. I wouldn’t get one myself though, because it’s got Benchmade logos and is being passed off as an authentic product. It’s taking business away from the company that has put in the effort to design and develop a good product. Benchmade deserves that business. Whoever’s making these, is obviously capable of making good knives. They should design their own products and build their own brand. If they could sell stuff like this for $20, they could be very successful.
Hello. I agree with all you say exept 1 point. I dont think this is taking any business away from Benchemade. I could never afford the real thing but this would give me the opportunité to see what a bugout feels like. And for other people, trying this clone and liking it might make them want the real thing. I am against the ethics of counterfeits. It is wrong. But unless it is being sold at the same price as the original no one is fooled. All the best.
@@Spacecadet3890 difference is $5 vs $10 steel. it is a lot? yes, its like 500% times more. benchmade probably only use 5% of the price on material. dont over think it. glasses, matress, furnitunes, basically anything thats doesnt make a sale very often, the price to cost ratio is very low. the most of cost goes to labor and marketing.
agree with everything except the stealing business part. people who buy these knives 9/10 cant afford the real thing and this is a absolutely perfect option for those people.
I bought one of these clones because of this video. I wanted to see if it is worth 150-200 for the original. $25 Canadian later I’m glad I did. It’s fun to play with, and use occasionally for light duty stuff, but I won’t pay more for the original. Not worth it to me. Thanks for doing these vids. Very helpful
Thanks. I almost bought one for $70 & didn’t because I’ve never seen the shiny box and the blade didn’t flip open with that usual benchmade quality Then I realized something seemed off so I passed. Looking at the photos they sent me, the C definitely is way off
Hello. To be honest, i would buy that. Not because it is a clone but because it is a good knife at a good price! I am one of those people who dosn't care about the name on the knife. Some of my most used knives have no name and they are excellent work knives. I would never pay Benchemade prices for a plastic handled knife. I admit i have an old fashioned opinion of plastic. When i was young something plastic was the cheap version of a "real" product. You say yourself that you have replaced the springs on the bugout. My Ganzo springs have never needed to be replaced. All the best.
Aliexpress and DHGate both have a Bugout clone with aluminum scales. Great knife, no cheap plastic Benchmade crap. 99% of the value for 10% of the ridiculous Benchmade price.
Thank you for posting this. Turns out the Bugout I just received from an eBay purchase three days ago is the same clone from your video. The packaging is identical to the box on the left. I wouldn't have caught this without your video.
I just recently purchased the 945bk-1 from blade hq. The next day I ordered a clone from ebay. Even the foam was correct. The terrible part is that when the clone was made, they paid more attention to detail. The screws are flush inside the liner! The only other thing is the acid etched logos on the clone stand out enough that you can feel them. The true benchmade is faint and you can't feel it.
I got the Benchmade Proper counterfeit (sorry, clone) and I'm really impressed with it. Will that make me buy the original for ten times the price? Absolutely not - why should I? Bugout not my kinda knife, but at this price maybe I'll give a counterfeit (sorry, clone) a try, and I'll remove the Benchmade logo when I get it. I realise you're only warning us about the existence of convincing copies Paddy, but these are counterfeits, forgeries, pure and simple. Deuteronomy 25:15 applies! Let's see if the Chinese can replicate a GEC....now that would be impressive!
@Steve Paige ha... actually when I was mentioning the clone purchase vs. the authentic version in my use of the word there I was referring to the place it was made not by who..hehe...there being the USA not China..
@@knaftasticedc956 🤔 So are you saying that you'd send your money to a country where the majority of people are working hard to get ahead in spite of suffering under dicatorship rather than spend it with a country where the majority of people elected a dictator into presidency hoping that it will get them ahead?
I must apologize. I have been apart of the knife community for sometime but I have not seen your channel before. I am now subscribed. I thought I was at me Nana's and one of my Uncles was talking. My Dad had 16 Brothers and Sisters. I have 57 first cousins. We came from Sligo Mayo Cork and ? I love my little Bugout. I have a Bailout coming. Thanks God Bless you!
If someone's paying just $20, they probably knew it was too good to be true. What would really suck is if someone paid over $100 and they sent him the fake. Gotta be careful where you buy your knives. Best to stick with the well known knife retailers.
That's not a clone. That's a counterfeit, plain and simple. The fact that they put it in a Benchmade box and marking the knife a Benchmade make it downright nasty and disgusting. Whoever sold that knife is thief, and liar, and a crook! As someone who does not own a Benchmade I would be duped! Thanks for the video. (I recently bought a fake Ontario Rat-1. Totally pissed. The knife was pathetic!) Again.... folks need to understand you're not endorsing this fake (at least I hope you're not endorsing it!). You're warning us about them. My only complaint on this video is you calling this knife a clone. It's not a clone. It's a counterfeit. (the only serious difference seems to be the thumb stud torque screw).
Ima firm believer you get what you can afford.. Iv got some grail knifes but their was a time whe. I used to see a new clone knife on pay day as a treat as that's all I could afford. Great review 👏 👌 👍
I could only tell the difference with them side by side , it's a really good copy i wouldn't call it a clone its to close to the real thing it's more of a counterfeit ,as you pointed out it could be sold as the real thing
Damn, u just sold me on my first benchmade. I been wanting one but not at that price of 130 when I could get something like kitefin, or nuetron, or many options really, protect, whatever. But if the metal on blade is real s30v which, i doubt, either way for my purposes, I'd love that knife if it was a lot cheaper.
@@YahudiDestroyer yeah when the build quality is almost exactly the same it's really a no brainer. Chinese manufacturing is first rate with knives now. I say buy ten before they have their war.
I have both the original all black contego and the fake one. Very close, the fake blade prints on original is shinier and the clone is just a regular print but aside from that everything looks the same. Fake is perfectly centered while the original has blade touching the liner. Clone won in centering dept.
Hey Paddy , If you were to have both in hands while walking and accidentally trip causing them to fall on the floor would you be able to tell them apart ??
Wow very impressive I must say, unless I saw them side by side like this. I probably wouldn’t be able to tell which was which, but the clone looks like the thumb stud is slightly lighter in color and the torx hole looks different, maybe not as deep as the original. Other than that they look identical.
The crazy thing may be the person who buys the real one and returns the clone 🙁 Then it goes to someone else. I would not buy from an online place that allows returns ✌🏻 What’s crazy is that to buy aftermarket scales for the legit one could cost 3 times the cost of the aluminum fake of this 🤯 the fake is already customized. Well I was looking for mini bugout reviews and I would have to say buy it while it’s not counterfeited yet ! Hahah
Stop calling it a clone. That's a counterfeit! Nothing wrong with a clone. In the gun community, for example, clones are perfectly acceptable. You can make your own clone of a Colt AR-15 from sourced parts that are not Colt. But, if you tried to sell me a cloned Colt as a real Colt, I would have to notify the ATF and you could go to prison for up to 20 years and/or pay $100,000. fine. Why doesn't the knife industry crack down on this? And, there's no way that's S30V, From the way it cuts, it's most likely cheap D2 and unless D2 is properly heat treated, it's crap! On the other hand, for $20, it's every bit worth it. But, there are unscrupulous sellers on ebay and Amzon trying to sell these for $150. So, when you say it's not a problem...it IS a big problem. Basically, "caveat emptor" (buyer beware). I recently bought a Benchmade 940-1 on Amazon from a supposedly reputable seller for $251. It was such a good fake I almost couldn't tell, until I noticed the stand-offs were black, not the bright blue that Benchmade makes. I sent it back to Amazon for PayPal credit. I then, went down to my local Sportsman's Warehouse, an authorized Benchmade dealer, immediately got rewards points for signing up and got a much better deal.
I have a big problem with clones and those who sell them and those who buy them. By the way, the text on your video is wrong. "Benchmade bugout clone. Its so good be very careful were your buying yours." It should be: "Benchmade bugout clone. It's so good be very careful where your buying yours." Changes "Its" to "It's," because "its" is possessive while "it's" is a contraction for "it is." Also, change "were" to "where," because it's just a typo.
This is another reason I'm glad I only carry traditional knives, things like this are scary. Counterfeits are not very common in the world of traditional knives ( except in the antique Bowie segment ) and they're almost never well done when you do see them. The only counterfeit traditional knives I've seen that might fool anyone were fake Buck vanguard's. You can find horribly done counterfeit Victorinox Swiss champs, you'll see fake Buck 110's that you can spot a mile away, and once in a while you'll see a Case logo slapped on a random little $5 knife that's not fooling anyone. That's about it though, nothing is ever scary close like this is. Of course you should always buy from a reputable dealer but these counterfeit modern folders have gotten so good secondhand deals can be a nightmare, with traditional folders I you just don't have to worry like you do with modern knives.
The date on the outer box label is the tell tale as well. Copy right (R in circle) logo is 10x bigger on the fake. The fake clip is longer on the tail and the real clip covers the scale bolt and fake clip does not.
I got the version with the aluminium scales and its good in fact I'm thinking of doing a scale swap with my BM bugout. I'm thinking it will just make you want a Bugout more just to get one of the best pocket knives ever and of course you'll want the better steel. However now the Bugout mini is available UK fan's might be better getting the Mini as its under the 3inch blade limit. (yeah its still falls fowl of the lock knife law, but that is easier to explain to Lilly law), keep up the videos. Its D2 steel on the clone yes..? I think so.. Oh been carrying the old Ganzo F753M in 440c this week, a sturdy Bugout ?
The blade material is most important when choosing a knife. If the clone were anything other than 440 they could not sell it for only $20. Not even with cheap labor.
Sigh...., i have bought one... Want to buy me a mid range price lw EDC, hesitating between the Para 3 LW or the Bug Out. Both quite expensive here in the Netherlands. Just paid a bit more then 19 Euros for this copy, send at my home. will see if i like the type.
Just got it, with black aluminium scales. Now i have a serious problem. The cheapest original version here in the Netherlands is gonna cost me 135 euros. And off course a more luxurious model wil be much nicer. But this copy is as good as it is, very good indeed, and so i wil pay happily these extra euros if the original is 3 x as good as this copy. But is it? 🤔
Hi, I inadvertently bought a fake Zero Tolerance 0562 from Gearbest last year,2019. It was not advertised as a zero tolerance I bought it on it's appearance only when I received it I didn't know what zero tolerance was until I looked it up. The knife itself is very good steel wise I use it for meat processing it retains an edge and is used daily. What gave it away, and understand I thought I was buying a Chinese knife was the filling I had to do on the g10 to make the frame lock accessible. So it puzzles me as to why these makers fake western products when with a bit of imagination can produce great products in their own right.
Cause if the trademark. Chinese can maybe make a better safer cheaper Ssayong car than Mercedes but people will still buy the Mercedes even if its ,10x more expensive.
Hallelujah, a RU-vidr who isn’t absolutely knocking these clones. Guess where benchmade gets all their materials from China, and completely rips off their customer. Only reason it ‘seems’ so premium is they upgrade the screws and hardware. My advice is take apart that clone and get some upgraded hardware for $5, you got yourself an authentic benchmade. All these other dumb channels saying not to support the clones, what a silly notion. Cheers from the US 🍀
I have a theory that China has a bone to pick with Benchmade. Most American knife companies manufacture at least some of their knives in China. Spyderco paramilitary is made in USA but Spyderco tenacious is made in China. Gerber has probably 95 percent of their stuff made in China. To my knowledge, the only folding knife companies in USA that have 100 percent of production made here are Benchmade , GEC, and Case. I bet a Chinese knife company contacted Benchmade to contract cheaper models and they were pissed when they got a “No” reply. I really like the Spyderco Tenacious made in China. I bought mine for 37 dollars and I use the hell out of it. I recently went to a Benchmade dealer here in Ohio and I bought a mini-boost. I paid 136 dollars plus tax. I felt all the knives I handled were likely worth the expensive price tag except the Bugout. It seems like it should be no more than an 85 dollar knife in my opinion. I have plans on buying a Chinese clone bugout because I like the design of the original but I feel it is overpriced because of the minimal materials used and the fact I wouldn’t want it for serious outdoor work as grip is way too thin for that kind of stuff. Unlike most Benchmade knives, I feel the Bugout is limited to opening packages and fidgeting.
The problem is those thugs will buy a genuine knife from reputable seller, then swap a fake one and return it. Sadly the larger the reputable sellers are, the staff will take it back without really knowing. The next buyers comes along and gets slammed. Thinking ok l’m buying from reputable seller? When in fact it’s swapped. I am a custom Titanium Deep Carry Clip maker, you need to check the thread size. It’s impossible to tell the way those Chinese are making these clones. If made in USA look for US inch threads. If clones it’s Metric. If you are unsure if you got a clone? Call Benchmade and ask for replacement clip and screws. When you get the replacement clip and and screws, try them out. If it fits you’re ok! If it’s thin in diameter then your knife is most likely a clone. Just past few months I’ve encountered so many of my customers got hit with these Clones and they purchase from the Top 3 online reputable sellers...so always check the threads. If you have multiple Benchmade, take one screws from an older knife and try them on new knife. Stay sharp everyone...I hope the US Knife community
Of course it's wrong to pass one off for the real thing but I have no problem with clones they are definitely a better bargain than the ridiculous prices they ask for the real thing . I've bought many clones some are excellent some not so much but all are pretty good deals. I have got a few that was really bad , you don't always get a great one so buyer beware lol !!!
So basically, it doesn't matter which one you get. Blade steel is the only difference. Benchmade is overpriced. All you're paying extra for is the steel, which they seem to think is worth 100$ more. Bullshit. Rip offs.
Put yourself in the original persons shoes, and consider, how would you feel? I will say it, not cool, don't really care even if great copy, Appreciate you bring this up Paddy, I personally don't care about someones budget, bottom line, right is right, wrong is wrong. Thankyou for another great video, informative as always, hope you don't mind my opinion, As a Artist, among a few things, stealing ideas is unforgiveable, should be a no brainer.
Who is more benchmade? Leaving patriotics out....Is it the one that can give you an exact “replica” for a quarter of the price? or is it the “original that scalps you on the price of a knofe because its made in america which has laws on how much you have to pay the workers so they jack up prices? I don’t agree with slave labor in china, but damn, they can be serious competitors to our market. They own most of it anyway
I wouldn’t buy it because it’s a counterfeit not a clone! The counterfeit is using Benchmades name and logo which in my opinion is dishonest to say the least. Many knife companies knockoff off other companies designs but they don’t try to pass it off as the real thing. I’m disappointed that you have done a side by side comparison of these two knives. Benchmade has spent a great deal of money making a top quality knife and marketing it as such. This counterfeit knife might be a good knife too so why hasn’t the manufacturer tried to use its own name to sell its own brand instead of being cheap and sleazy? You my friend are on a slippery slope and I know you’re better than that.
The C on benChmade is the wrong size on the clone. I'm curious if you had the clone sent in for warranty I'm curious if benchmade could figure it out, i'd love to see a video on that. It's a pretty good clone, there are a few things you can look for to tell if it's a clone but if i wasn't aware of how benchmade grinds and does fonts I probably wouldn't be able to tell. Benchmade knifes has straight lines in the steel, that's how they grind the knife, you won't see that in a clone. I'm also curious if the steel is actually s30v, likely not given how expensive it is to make & work the steel.
The biggest difference besides the steel is how the workers who work in these factories are paid. In America you know the workers at least have some protection. In Chinese factories there is zero protection for the people putting these things together. Many Chinese companies treat the employees like robotic expendable commodities. So you may be promoting slave labor, deplorable conditions etc. Don't get me wrong there are reputable Chinese companies but do you think a company that is stealing from another company is going to have morals when it comes to how they do business?
This is a counterfeit. There is a difference between a clone, and a counterfeit. All Ganzos have the firebird logo not the logo of whos design they're copying there is a big big big difference between clones and counterfeits. And old Benchmade copies came with shitty boxes that used to be a giveaway right there. It sucks that anytime you buy offa secondary market you gotta pull out a magnifying glass to go over everything
That is not a "clone" that is a counterfeit. A clone may copy the style look and design but slapping the Benchmade name or logo on it makes an illegal counterfeit product. A clone or homage does not try to pass itself off as the real thing. Conflating counterfeit and clone terminology is a diservice to the knife hobby. If the knife looked like a Benchmade but had a wong--fu logo and box it would be an A-OK legal clone. By mislabeling a counterfeit knife as a clone and calling it ok to own you are supporting actual theft and fraud.
I bought a clone and i completely agree with you its genuinely motivated me to buy a genuine soon! it allowed me to see a benchmade and try it without dropping 300 to 400 dollars since I'm in Australia
c'mom, the blade steel on the counterfeit is not S30V and the handle is cheap plastic. Just like other chinese made products this is a piece of CRAP with absolutely no warranty.
I only collect clones of stupid high for no real reason but greed knives ! I would prefer they did not put the brand name on them but if the knife has a reasonable price ( instead of the greedy butterfly price ) it is likely a so called clone ! If you see the price and think I don't like it that much ,it's a so called real benchmade ! most all production knives are made by Chinese cnc machines , even the so called real American made knives so they are most all Chinese cnc machine clones , the chinese just don't liehype material and try to rip us off like benchmade !
Its not a clone or a fake. The correct word is counterfeit. Its a shame that they decided to put those markings on the blade and packaging. Chine has obviously come up and I have no problem with clones but counterfeit is a no go.
Paddy why do you need your fake to be called the real thing,they don't have to steal the name.just call it brenchmade or whatever.what is your fascination with fake knives with the real name.you do no people are selling these as the real deal,because people want their fake to have the real name,why.is it the. Eo
Older Legit benchmade boxes didn’t have the insert inside the box either. So that only tells you if it’s an older or newer box. I’m sure the Chinese will change it.
The only problem i see is the box its in. That will fool people off the bat. If the knife came in a cheap clamshell pack that would be better. Just got a clone coming, thanks for this!
Knife is pretty good I can tell by the clip and the clip holes which is the real. Box on the other hand has a more rounded corners on label on the real one. Fake one the “C” is too big. Other then that you already mentioned everything I also noticed.
Paddy, I was a Coca-Cola tabletop item designer in Atlanta for years. We had production in China, and the owner of the factory making our products (Molds, prototypes, etc.) would walk across the alley to his brother-in-law's shop and sell him the production CAD files. This is a commonplace practice in the entirety of the far east. In several instances, I saw my items in catalogs for sale in the EU before our first shipment of items (for U.S. distribution) cleared customs in Seattle! Our licensees, dealers and distributors could order the clones from Europe before the legitimate items arrived ashore in the U.S., and -- as you noted -- since they're using the original CAD files, and most production uses the same equipment and techniques, the clones were virtually indistinguishable from the licensed products. Pirated intellectual property does enormous damage to every creative enterprise, and it's one reason the west will never play on a level field when competing with China.
You are 100% correct. This channel and this person saying buying a fake knife is perfectly fine doesn't understand. In a specific example of a fake knife, the purpose of a high dollar knife is to cut, and counterfeit blades fail at that task. I was sold a Benchmade fake on eBay for nearly full price. I contacted Benchmade and eBay, did not return the knife because it was counterfeit. Thankfully, other people had said the same thing around the same time about the seller. So I had a free clone but it cost me a lot of time. It did not perform like a Benchmade knife. Fact, the only thing it was useful for was spreading butter. So in reality, a super steel with a proper heat treatment that will last a generation or two verses a piece of crap that will cut cheese. I wish people would not manufacture in China until this all changes.
You get what you pay for except in this case, in respect of the price of the clone vs the price of the original you are getting good value. I have seen another video where the clone was tested to destruction when the original held together but as I was watching the destruction test the clone failed I though why the hell would I do that to any folder.
