Benjamin Trail NP XL vs. Trail NP: Review / Comparison

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I review the Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 .22 and the Benjamin Trail NP .177. I'm not attempting to draw a conclusion as to which is better as they both have their proper place. What I am attempting to do is supply the viewer with enough information to make an informed decision as to which one may be best suited to your needs. The XL may be a more serious hunting rifle, while the NP maybe better suited to plinking. Please don't misunderstand, you can use the XL for plinking (I do), and the NP for hunting (my son does, it just requires more precise pellet placement).
************** If I could choose only one rifle of all the Benjamin Trail variations, I would choose the Benjamin Trail NP .22 with the all weather stock ( synthetic ). It is the best
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@danilosilva81 Год назад

After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel ru-vid.comUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!

@dmithsmith5880 9 лет назад

I pulled my entire trigger apart. I ditched the adjustment screw and the disgusting trigger slack spring. I must say I was appalled by the crude machining. So I cut 3/32 off of the sear lap and polished it. I squared the disconnect then matched it to the sear and polished it also..I then cut the bottom of the sear stop where it rests on the trigger pivot down gradually until there was zero back lash on the trigger. I had to peen the center of the safety trigger inward where it makes contact with the trigger to tighten up the tolerance because the slack was more then my sear travel making the safety not safe. Then I decked the sides of the trigger to allow clearance for s.s. shim washers so it has zero side to side play...Let me say this..Not even the same rifle.. Smooooth as silk, breaks like glass. Its running about 3 lbs and 3/16 travel. I removed the scope and whacked the butt with a rubber mallet a bunch of times to test for creep, solid as a rock..

@O2MEND 8 лет назад

Good review, thanks.

@6208linn 11 лет назад

What if I use a heavier pellet on the xl for .177 (please respond)

@ianfoofromguyana3942 4 года назад

Great job in your presentation! I have an NP and I am on the verge of selling (after owning it for over three years) to up grade to something with a little more power but with the same characteristics as my NP. The XL seems like a good choice but, I'm also contemplating getting the Hatsan 125 vortex. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks for sharing👍

@Hoannguyenify 8 лет назад

i have the NP .22 wooden one for about a year now, slightly on the heavy side but great accuracy.

@kodiakarcher 11 лет назад

Very nice unbiased review of both rifles!! I just bought my first real air rifle(besides the old cheap wmart specials) and it was the Benjamin NP. I chose it based on reviews like these. Didn't know for sure about .177 vs .22 but now glad got .22 since I shoot in basement and it is very quiet

@CatHound Месяц назад

Thanks for covering this. I have the Benjamin vaporizer in .22. it does good. But I just recently got the TX 200 standard in .22

@mikewiley1652 Год назад

Does anyone know or know how to get the information, will the nitro piston out of the XL interchange with the regular prowler both 22 caliber, My 22 prowler came with the short suppressor on the end of the barrel instead of the full barrel length suppression system they are using on the newer/theguns in this video

@CoastalGardening 12 лет назад

have you had these rifles apart ? i recently purchased a replacement xl nitro piston and it is so stiff i cannot compress it at all even when i put all my weight on it on the bench, i just want to make sure this one works before taking my rifle apart to install it.

@ravinderghosal30 4 года назад

does any .177 have a capability for hunting beyond 50 yards.....like wild hog or deer????????

@pho3nx476 10 лет назад

Great review comparing the two XL and NP. You helped me decide to by the one that's best. Thank you lots and enjoy shoot'n

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

You're welcome, glad you found it helpful. Enjoy your new rifle. Cheers

@buffalosoutdoors 12 лет назад

Very well done sir. You have done your homework.

@Pelletgunmaster000 11 лет назад

I am 13 and pretty large so I can choose whichever gun. But i happen to live on a dairy so I need to kill a fair share of pests. If I was to shoot pigeons, large crows, and ground hogs, which would be a better rifle?? And also would you advise to get a different scope for say a hundred or 150 yard shot?

@alalindy 11 лет назад

hii .. I am thinking to buy 1 benjamin np xl 1500 .. is it a good gun .. any problems with it ?? Thank you

@igualita10 4 года назад

You can give us two hours talking but, if you do not shoot is wasting time. All I want is to hear the sound.

@271997caza 11 лет назад

wich is the most powerfull, XL trail benjamin this compares with benjamin 25 marauder?

@Mantisboy14 11 лет назад

it isn't a very good comparison if they are different calibers .22 is more powerful .177 is higher velocity

@CoastalGardening 12 лет назад

wow , i had no idea it would be that strong ! i guess that is why the spring compressor is so important on magnum spring guns , you could get seriously hurt! something i noticed on the replacement piston is that the rod is not perfectly parallel with the tube , hope this is not a problem either ... thanks for the help =)

@MrChris-bx7ss 11 лет назад

you can use heavy .177 pellets there are even some slugs in this caliber.

@robwillisinfo 12 лет назад

Great review...I just added a video on my channel on how I mounted a weaver style NC Star Bipod to my Trail NP .22. Keep up the great work!

@SEAL7471 8 лет назад

Just a question about these rifles but I'd assume it's close to the same for all rifles. How much do you have to worry about bullet, or should i say pellet drop? how far will it drop in 30 yards? I'm referring to the .22 but if you know about it for the .177 im interested in that too

@jimboethefirst7418 4 года назад

How they holding up as of 10/17/2020 ☆ year of the COVID-19

@stanfordcoffee 4 года назад

They got a lot of use for about 4 - 5 years (many thousands of shots), and they held up just fine. Nothing wrong with either of them today, but they probably haven't been used in 3 or 4 years. We simply moved on to centerfire rifle and pistol's. Cheers

@samueldiaz3172 Год назад

All we want is hear the shooting not too much talking!

@stanfordcoffee 11 лет назад

No. Both of mine will hold a 1.5 inch group at 20 yards. Are you familiar with the "artillery hold"? If not, there are two links in the description, go check it out. Are your mounting screws tight (snug, don't overdo it)? My XL started shooting a radically once, I found loose screws on the scope mount. You have to find the right pellet for your gun (one that your gun likes). Start simple with Crossman premier domes. They work well out of both of my pellet guns. Good Luck! Cheers

@stanfordcoffee 11 лет назад

If your referring to Crosman Silicone Chamber Oil than yes. It's my understanding that Crosman Silicone Chamber Oil and RMCoil is the same thing. I only put two drops on the back side of the piston every 500 rounds or so. I don't put any in the chamber as Crosman advises, I don't want to have my guns diesel at all. I use a drop of 3-in-1 oil at all the hinged areas. After looking at forums, I believe that this is whats best for me. If you fine a good substitute for RMCoil let me know. Cheers

@sportsandautomotives4739 6 лет назад

Eny low price ( .177 = 800 fps rifle) vs ( .22 = 600 fps rifle )= Rabit 🐰 hunting which caliber best sir ? =

@Marksman.G 3 месяца назад

600 fps with 18,1 gran ?

@stanfordcoffee 11 лет назад

Didn't mean to offend you. It's just that most people won't know to get the heavier pellet to keep them subsonic, and will therefore be disappointed with the performance. Do you have a specific pellet recommendation to help other viewers (one that delivers a fair level of accuracy)? Thanks, Cheers

@grantoyamaha 7 лет назад

Great review

@lashaugrekhelidze695 10 лет назад

this wooden benjamin is Trail NP XL 1500 0.177 or not?

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Not this one. It is the 1100 in .22. I do not recommend the XL 1500 .177. Cheers

@stanfordcoffee 12 лет назад

I don't know about the non-parallel rod, perhaps you could write / call Crosman to get a clarification - good luck. Also, the numbers I gave are just wild guesses. The only thing I know for certain is that you have a huge mechanical advantage in the design of the gun. I tried to cock my gun by grabbing the barrel down by the stock and was unable to move it at all, not even a little. Cheers

@beans6397 4 года назад

Did they take different size of bullets?

@joshuakincaid3132 11 лет назад

i have a gamo big cat and its is cheaper but just as good

@ramonpena2319 2 года назад

The NP is better with heavy pellets, which granes could've 18 or less

@Marksman.G 3 месяца назад

the jsb jumbo heavy in 18,1 is the best pellet for this gun ..

@tabishkhan145 9 лет назад

I need to take your advice for which Rifle I should go between banjium XL .22 and banjium np2.. as I want to hunt for pheasants pegionsand rabbits.. Plz help me I NEEd your advice before placing my order...

@stanfordcoffee 9 лет назад

I have not seen or touched an NP2. That being said, both the NP and the XL can handle that game you described. The NP is easier to shoot, but the XL may have a little of more range. I can tell you this, XL is more difficult to shoot offhand. Give me something to go on, how experienced are you, and what is your physical stature? Cheers

@tabishkhan145 9 лет назад

M 24. The truth is I had a spring Rifle of dina but I never used an air rifle....Banjium np2 . 22 caliber in black stock will b rite for my game......!! And Plz tell me which pellets are the best to use.....

@stanfordcoffee 9 лет назад

Tabish Khan I use Crossman premier hollow points, and domes. They seem to work pretty well for me. Follow this link for a good shooting review. Benjamin Trail NP .22 Accuracy Review ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-In1O27YgkNI.html

@naveenchoudhary8760 4 года назад

give us basic knowledge about that

@AwungshiMZimik 4 года назад

I have the same 177. It's very powerful. It can kill dear, shooting at head

@reedomannrica5687 3 года назад

Are you kidding?

@stanfordcoffee 12 лет назад

No problems here either. A lot of what we shoot are steel targets (swinging flip disks, knock down animals), or just steel plates. I do have to move the plates around, otherwise the pellet splatter cuts a line in the grass. :)

@stanfordcoffee 12 лет назад

How did the Venom / Benjamin hybrid come out? Good I hope. These are the only two pellet guns I own, and I like them both (hard to beat for the price point). I really enjoy shooting them with my son and daughter. Thanks for the kind words. :) Cheers

@EZRIDER327 10 лет назад

THANK YOU I WAS going to buy the wood stock but after seeing the LACK of quality in the wood stock in your video I am VERY glad I did not order it yet, That stock looks terrible, at $300 it should be a lot better. THANKS AGAIN

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

You're welcome. Of the two stocks, I like the synthetic much better. It has better ergonomics, better finish, and is high-quality. Note: I purchased both of mine online - XL $230, NP &180 ( two years ago). Both are still working fine. Cheers

@techstyle123 9 лет назад

I have the black one....gun is great to hold and well made but that triggers is so bad....why it was released like this is a bad design... Other than that accu pell is one of best pellets for this gun ....

@stanfordcoffee 9 лет назад

techstyle123 There are plenty of videos that show how to fix the NP trigger. Do a RU-vid search, and you'll find them. Cheers

@pdshunter2001 11 лет назад

And I would be using it for rabbit and squirrel

@cruzion 11 лет назад

I have the Big Cat, and it is really finnicky on hold. Moving your palm down the barrel 2 inches would change the POI by an inch at 25yds. Once you get the hold, it's pretty accurate, and pellet weight and size make a big difference to groups. Also, replace the trigger with the GRT3. Mine likes Kodiak heavies, and crosman hollowpoints for plinking.

@noahbergman19 6 лет назад

What does size 13-14 mean,I just know that when I was 12 I was wearing men's medium

@bwizm 12 лет назад

is xl good for hunting rabbits and is it quiet

@Rocky_Intertidal 10 лет назад

Great sound quality on your video! However, as far as the Trail NP goes, it DOES NOT come with a shoulder-sling and this has been an issue for a year or so. I just got my Trail NP .22 all-weather synthetic stock and...No Shoulder-Sling and numerous customers have been bringing this up for over a year now. Crosman keeps coming up with excuses, but nothing is happening.

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

I guess they discontinued the sling. I just looked at the Crosman, and Pyramid Air websites, and it's not listed anymore in the package. Cheers

@zome53 6 лет назад

I had the Trail and the Trail NP2, I later purchased the Gamo Magnum that I like better then those two rifles because of the power it has

@chevota400 10 лет назад

Fyi, you can get a .22 barrel for the Trail for about $20 delivered. Speaking of parts, that AW stock is really heavy, the wood version is substantially lighter which the kid might like. I read your trigger mod left you with a very sensitive trigger, I can explain how to fix that if you're interested. The guns are also known to break scopes, but with a proper tune that can be greatly reduced. By proper I don't mean sending out, but a simple home tune that goes a few steps further than typical home tunes. Brings power and accuracy up, reduces cocking effort, noise, and hold sensitivity, extends gun and scope life.

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Thanks for the tip on the .22 barrel. I'm going to keep my sons a .177 (for now), it shoots very flat that way, almost identical to my XL. I redid both the triggers, they're perfect. I like wood and steel guns, but I'm not a fan of the XL's wood (poorly finished). My son is now 14, 5'10" 140 lbs, he doesn't have any problem with the weight, or cocking effort. Both rifles are still in very good shape, no problems whatsoever. Thanks for the post. Cheers

@CoastalGardening 12 лет назад

i recently watched a complete takedown vid for the trail np ( airgun web . com ) , just a decent spring compressor required. have a great day =)

@juliannash3313 7 лет назад

good video bro

@arendjan86 4 года назад

Hey there, i also got the 1500xl and would like to know what mods you did on the trigger. Like you said its way to long and unpredictable. Greetz from holland

@stanfordcoffee 4 года назад

Hi, I'm not a gunsmith, and generally don't feel comfortable telling people to modify their guns, However, If you YT search DIY Benjamin trail NP XL trigger modifications you might get some ideas. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EsdP4yRVPnw.html Hope this helps. Cheers

@lockdowng223 11 лет назад

will the np xl 1100 22 cal kill a raccoon

@chefbeardsly 10 лет назад

watching you and your son shoot reminds me of when my dad was teaching me how to shot and the proper way of handling a fire arm good job

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Thank you very much for the kind compliment. Cheers

@craigprestidge123 5 лет назад

Sounds like he has a bird. Hopefully by now, years later he's sighted in one of those rifles and taken care of that problem

@MaximumMPH 10 лет назад

I have this gun, And im currently using accupell 22. pellets and not getting a bad result!

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Great, thanks for the information. Cheers

@xXCP1993Xx 11 лет назад

I had the gamo big cat and couldn't hit with it much outside of 10 yards. when I owned it I had no clue as to what the artillery hold is and still don't. could this explain the horrible accuracy I had with the big cat. I can normally hit what ever I want so the shock of not being able to hit a pop can outside of ten yards was vary frustrating.

@icehotcap 10 лет назад

onefunkysnI would go with the np aw in.22 cal not the 177...... you can get it at walmart for 165.

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

If I was to buy only one rifle, that's the one I would pick. Cheers

@icehotcap 10 лет назад

yea I have one very accurate out to 50 yards youll have to shot atleast 500 pellets thur it for it to start to break in an really get quiet the best pellet I used with this one is the Crossman hollow point from wallmart 9.00 for 500.

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

The hollow points, and Crosman Premier dome (when you can find them) both work well for me. Cheers

@neonightkiller 12 лет назад

Did you have gunsmith do the trigger job or did you replace it with an aftermarket group? Its great that your son like to shoot, my son just turn 14 and has just started to show some interest in the sport other than xbox shooting games. Great review man, thanx

@shoptime69 12 лет назад

Crap I thought the NP only came .22 so I ordered the Crosman venom dusk and that Benjamin Synthetic stock to make my own .177 version LOL The benjamin has the better scope. But I'll likely upgrade it anyway. I also have the NP XL 1100 and agree with everything you mentioned in this video.. Well done. I also have a host ofmore expensive HW77 and Diana 460 under levers but I still really enjoy shooting these Benjamin guns.

@hdhdhdbdbdhd5024 2 года назад

What it's price now?

@anthonysosa247 11 лет назад

can you help me? i bought a used XL .22 ( he bought it 1 year ago) and its like new. the only thing is that it doesnt say xl on the barrel just np. Do you think they mightve excluded the xl before or did he sell me a non xl -.- thanks

@shoptime69 12 лет назад

Same here no problems I collected 4lbs of led from the lawn in front of my target over three mths and that's just the lead I did find obviously there was lots I didn't shoot at my target or here at home... I shot a lot and have had no problems

@jacobmagnuts9086 11 лет назад

i got the trail np all weather .22 and i cant hold a good group at 20 yards. 2 or 3 shots hit accurately then one is like 5 inches up then another low to the left its random was yours like that?

@samattwood8593 10 лет назад

someone wants to swap a rsa ultra for my benjamin+trail ?? should

@iceman5815 11 лет назад

I don't have the .177 but the lesser powerful NP .22 is very accurate and especially with the pistol grip this is a great gun. Easy to cock and easily manageable. Very accurate with 14.66 H and N pellets to 100 yards. But the factory trigger is crap. But once you fix it with a washer it shoots like a dream. I didn't buy the XL version because with the crappy trigger and the hefty price it wasn't worth it.

@jassmandidgeridoo 11 лет назад

ive used a pumper for years and one break barrel what I would like to know is how long would you say before the barrel no longer comes back to position against the breach causing poor aiming conditions

@davidparker8242 11 лет назад

Comparing the .22 XL and the .22 NP, The XL is a little longer, heavier, and more powerful. NP - 44.25 inches, XL - 49 inches. NP - 800 fps, XL - 950 fps shooting lead There is also a 495 fps version of the NP. NP - 7.125 lbs (hardwood stock), XL - 8.5 lbs The NP with the all weather stock actually heavier at 8.3 lbs. (Numbers from from the Crosman air rifle web page.)

@dethreveng 11 лет назад

i own the trail npxl 1500 .177 cal, it is 14 lbs, so hard to hold steady, the wood gets damaged easily but after 1 year, they did give me a new one after it rusted sooooo

@antoniopetric8507 7 лет назад

For hunting jackrabbits which is better,and also 22. or 177. On range not more longer that 50-60yds

@stanfordcoffee 7 лет назад

The .22 would be best. But a more realistic range for this rifle, based on its accuracy, is 30 to 35 yards.Cheers

@AirgunNation 11 лет назад

This was an awesome video and a great help! My son is turning 15 this month and I think the XL will be perfect for him.

@alalindy 11 лет назад

thank you my friend .. I love dove and rabbits hunting .. so I buy benjamin np 1100 xl .177 ?

@bandpassmess 11 лет назад

Nice review , only thing when it comes to hunting its all about shot placement you can kill a racoon with a Crosman 760 it' was designed for paper puncher !

@TheRadWizard809 11 лет назад

I know that there is the bejamin trail np hardwood and the all weather one... is there any difference between the two beside that ones wood

@m_h_akca2110 10 лет назад

Hi, Wat do you thin about: GAMO Extreme Hunter .22 and .25 Cal. ?.. Thanks a lot ...

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

I'd love to help you out, but I don't have any experience with Gamo. These are the only two air rifles I own. Cheers

@KimFritzeSillasen 11 лет назад

Easy now. The NP XL .177 just needs a heavier pellet and it'll stay subsonic. I had one and it was very precise with 10+ grain heavy pellets.

@ericdeplata7803 11 лет назад

.22 all the way.

@iceman5815 11 лет назад

Love your video dude...I have the np .22 and I love it. Very accute with 14.66g pellets. I got rid of the fugly synthetic stock and got the wooden stock. The synthetic stock is got to be one of the ugliest stocks on the market. I fixed the trigger with a washer and it is now one of my go to rifle besides the Hatsan 135.

@alalindy 11 лет назад

thank you again for all your information :) I just think to buy a .22LR

@wahiawabound808 9 лет назад

Yeah man I expect my nitro piston trail 2 .22 caliber in the mail today would that rifle be enough to take boar with it

@stanfordcoffee 9 лет назад

I'll be honest, I really don't know if it's capable of taking game that large. I suspect it will put out about 16 foot-pounds of energy, and I'm not sure what it takes for a boar. Shot placement will be critical. I just don't know how thick a boar 's skull is. At best, you're at the very upper limit of what is possible. Cheers

@wahiawabound808 9 лет назад

stanfordcoffee OK thanks for replying man I'll probably give it a shot and use the go pro to see what's the outcome would be ha ha ha boars here in Hawaii is a nuisance they eat crop and wreck other valuable resources here which this state pays an individual to eradicate no matter how it's done I'll give it a shot and let you know how things went stay safe out there man.

@CongNguyen-gc1rf 8 лет назад

giàu

@cameroncoco9151 11 месяцев назад

They are not good

@tankeriv 11 лет назад

This review makes my choice a lot harder. I was leaning towards the NP XL 725 but now I am rather leaning towards the NP .22 All Weather....

@MrFito8 10 лет назад

Saludos, fui a academy a comprar un benjamin np xl 1100,y no havia en existencia,y el parque tamien excaseaba ,asi que no lo pude comprar ,cual es la razon de tal escases...gracias..

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Sorry, I really don't know why there's a shortage. Cheers Lo siento, yo realmente no sé por qué hay una escasez. Saludos

@ericdeplata7803 11 лет назад

I hunt.

@bear5532 10 лет назад

moa is minute of angle and doesn't change with yardage. 1/4 moa is 1/4 moa regardless of range

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Yep, Thanks. Cheers

@onefunkysn 10 лет назад

Hello, Great video. I am still debating between the NP and the XL. I am looking for one to kill mainly raccoons but I would like to be able to get other things too. I am not looking for too much distance, probably no more then 25-30 yards I will be shooting from. I like the XL a lot but unfortunately can not locate it for as good as price you found it at but if you think it will be the only one to do the job I want I am willing to pay out. Would you recommend the XL or NP?

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

Thanks. The NP .22 is capable of dispatching a raccoon, but you have to have good pellet placement. The XL 1100 hits much, much harder, much better chance of one shot, one kill. If you after anything bigger, I definitely go with the XL 1100 (stay away from the XL 1500). Try FedTacticalDirect(dot)com (I got my NP from there). NP$180, XL $250 (it's the best I've found after a short search - you may find a better price if you look around a little longer). Cheers

@mikewiley1652 Год назад

You definitely would need the XL for raccoons especially at 30 yards

@bandccoresohio 11 лет назад

Me too but need air rifle for round the house thank u so much for this..... Very informative

@elizabethbochene2307 10 лет назад

Great video , you should see this one Benjamin- Crosman Trail NP - NOT! #2

@henryvega9063 4 года назад

No ablo ingles

@novavargas169 3 года назад

Thanks bro

@MrKatsrule12 11 лет назад

How much do these air rifles usually cost and what is the best caliber for price efficiency?

@dannykrebs7142 12 лет назад

10-4 on wood stock quality. like the gun though. want to add a bipod to my 1100

@asianxiongster 11 лет назад

Wat? At 2:29-40 u said the xl was less forgiving and more forgiving?

@97kt69 4 года назад

Is the hinge joint built to last ? Thanks

@southparkfan69er 11 лет назад

Can you hunt small game with these guns like rabbit or bird?

@hdhdhdbdbdhd5024 2 года назад

Price?

@1776adb 3 года назад

Focus

@TheLesliedillard 12 лет назад

nice ive been looking for a good air rifle

@callofdutyguy9 10 лет назад

Good looking guns. Wish they were made in USA. You take a look at the Benjamin NPS and Phantom. The NPS is powerful, accurate and ergonomic but is made in USA. There is also the new model Phantom that is very very affordable, accurate and hits hard for small game hunting.

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

callofdutyguy9 Thanks for the info. Cheers

@chevota400 9 лет назад

I think at one time the NPS "might" have been made in the US, but they aren't now. The Phantom is certainly china, and the current NPS and new NP2 are classic china stuff. They claim assembled in the US on some guns, but I imagine that's just bolting the stock on, or maybe just boxing it up. I imagine Diana is similar with their made in Germany claim. If either are actually made in their respective countries, specifically the barrel which is the most important part, then they should be ashamed.

@luislima7380 9 лет назад

chev rolet No the current Benjamin NPS is made in USA the same way the old Crosman/Remington NPSS were made in USA, they are literally the same gun. Also the new Phantom model CS177A is made in USA now. Chip hunnicutt from Crosman himself stated that the guns are made in their bloomfield factory on the Gateway to airguns forum.

@chevota400 9 лет назад

luis lima They may suggest that, but I don't believe it. I've seen "assembled" (not made) in the US, and made in the US (with foreign parts), but I have yet to see a break barrel from Crosman that is US quality. I have two of the NPS style guns and while some of the machining appears to have been done on a different machine, the quality is just as bad or worse. Imo they're either made and assembled in china, or made and partially assembled there, then Crosman maybe bolts the stock on and claims "Assembled in the USA". If Crosman did the mfg or assembly then shame on them! Nobody can say for sure who made/did what because Crosman is not truthful. If my two NPS guns are made in the US, then I would have to ask how they manage to make the bore/rifling just as bad as the chinese. The bore is a mystery to me because I can't understand how on earth they can make it so poorly. All I can envision is a chinese guy with a piece of flat stock, hammering it by hand around a rod, and stopping before the job is done. It seems to me they have to make a special effort to make it so poorly, or it is done by hand as I described. RWS is not much better btw, and I assume their barrels are chinese too. I can't imagine Crosman is capable of making such a barrel, even if they tried, so imo it's Chinese. The trigger assy appears US made. The receiver tube is identical quality as the Chinese stuff, and with the same flaws. So I find it hard to believe one was made in china, the other the US, yet almost identical in their flaws. Actually the NPS has a couple extra flaws the normal Trails do not, so the Trail is actually better made than the NPS.

@luislima7380 9 лет назад

I doubt it. The newer more expensive Benjamin NP2 is clearly marked ASSEMBLED in USA with foreign components. The NPS/S and Phantom are clearly marked MADE in USA with some foreign components, implying that the majority of the components are made domestically in the US as per Chip Hunnicutt.

@southernoutdoorhunting4258 10 лет назад

what kind of pellets do you recommend for the 22cal.

@stanfordcoffee 10 лет назад

I've had a fair amount of success with JSB Match DIABOLO - EXACT JUMBO DIABOLO 15.89gr. But mostly I shoot the Crossman premier domes, and hollow points. The Crossman pallets seem to work as well as anything else I've found, I can get them locally, And they're cheap. Please watch the review from Ted's holdover: Benjamin Trail NP .22 Accuracy Review I agree with his accuracy findings and most everything else in the video. Cheers