I have both guns. Browning needed repaired before we could use it. (The action would stick closed). After repair (2months), it is usable but not nearly as smooth as the Beretta. After using the Browning for 3 weeks the bluing is starting to wear off. The high gloss finish is much nicer but every nick or scratch shows up white. The oil rubbed finish on the Beretta is much easier to touch up. The Beretta has cast, the Browning does not. The Browning is wider and heavier, and seams more controllable with less felt recoil. The Beretta shoots 3-4 inches low, were as the Browning shoots exactly where they said it would. And both barrels shoot in the exact same place. The Browning has an adjustable trigger and a bit longer lop. They both have the same advertised comb drop, but my eye sits lower on the Berettas. Beretta comes with 5 chokes and a plastic case, the Browning has 3 chokes and a cardboard box. I feel the Beretta is better quality, and the Browning is a better shooter. My son prefers the Browning, and I prefer the Beretta. (He is a better shooter than me). Hope this helps others to make a decision, but it probably just makes it harder.
"The Beretta has cast, the Browning does not. " THIS is a huge difference that the reviewer did not mention. Great for right hand shooters. I've had both and kept the Brownings only because I shot them better AFTER I had cast off added to the stock. In general I agree with Joe Blo - You'll shoot more rounds before repair with a Beretta, but the difference is not enough to choose one over the other. Choose the one that you shoot best!
The Browning it's not wider, he measured and Beretta it's wider. Browning it's higher action, that's why it looks like that. But if you pay attention when the guns are on the table, you see very clear that Browning it's thinner on action.
I am not to fond of how the Browning looks, so I have owned many other brands. But last year I shot a B525 and it fitted me perfect and I shot a lot better than ever before. So now I own the gun I never wanted, and I love it.
Hi, just changed my Beretta 682 gold e for a Browning Ultra xs. The Beretta was a better finished gun , but the Browning fitted me like a glove off the shelf, improved my score immediately. "You pays yer money, you make yer choice!
My wife and I have just bought 525s based on the fitting session we had. We both struggled to mount SPs but the 525s we pretty much ‘bang on’ right out of the box.
I’ve had my Browning 325 from new when they first came on the market in 1988, so it’s now 30 years old. It’s never been serviced or needed a repair, I had the stock tweaked a couple of years ago to bring it into line with my ageing body and apart from some minor blemishes it is perfectly sound and tight and shoots as good as the day I bought it. It has been used for everything from club clay shoots, major competitions, pigeons and game days, driven and walked up, so it has a lot of use. Even if I gave it away now, it would not owe me a penny but I bet I’d still get a fair px price for it against another new Browning!
Roger Kent it will be zero Roger. They price from around £700 to what I paid roughly. Mine is pretty mint and still stiff, it’s like new. I went for the 325 because they have such a good reputation and are bomb proof. I’ve had it over a year now and it’s not missed a beat. I don’t think I could have spent my money any better. Thanks for reply!
I'm a beginner, I own a 686 and used a 525 on hire when on holiday. Good to see them compared side by side. I like them both and hit and miss equally with the pair of these standard "decent buys".
Thanks for the vid ! (going to get myself a Browning 525 this weekend.. I've practice shot both - hit everything with the Browning - I hope that's a good omen).
I also have both and both are Sporting models. My Beretta is a 2018 production 686 Silver Pigeon 1 Sporting with 30 inch barrels purchased new. The Browning is a 1992 production Sporting Clays Pigeon purchased used at a real bargain price due to the poor condition of the wood. BTW, have re-cut the checkering to sharpen it up and have 8 coats of 100% Tung Oil applied so it's starting to look quite nice. Note, Shotgun Shooting is something I took up in April of 2018 so I am a bit of a newby. So when I managed to break 20 and shoot a 22 at Trap this year the credit has to go to the Beretta. However the Browning is so close in actual shooting quality that I am quite certain it will also yield similar results. What is noticeably different is the effort needed to cock the action. Granted the Beretta is still pretty tight and the Browning well broken in but it requires about 1/2 the effort to cock the Browning. Note, I'm just started learning Skeet and currently use the Browning for Skeet. This allows my to grab and go when a field opens up instead of spending time changing chokes. I can also report when you grab a shotgun set up for Trap and get a perfect center hit on a bird at station 8 in skeet with a full choke that clay will completely vanish into a cloud of dust. While that was fun my miss rate was noticeably higher. To sum it up either the Beretta or the Browning will serve anyone quite well. In fact in my opinion they are completely equal. I will also not that if you see a nice gun from either make in a Used Showcase with some rather beat up woodwork and a bargain price snap it up. All it takes to refinish a stock and forearm is Time and less than 1 pint of Tung Oil.
I shot a silver pigeon for the first time maybe 15 years ago. It belonged to a friend of mine took me about 12 years to finnaly buy one. Silver Pigeon III and I really like it and have shot about everything you can with one. My buddies wife has a 525 and she does not miss anything with it. I dont think one is better than the other, get what you want.
Hi john im waiting for my license coming through atm, and have watched most of your videos and have found them very good, I went to my local gun dealer with a view to putting money down on either a silver pigeon sporter or a 525 sporter, I was tempted towards the 525 but it felt kind of bony , I brought the beretta up to my cheek and it just felt right, so now as I type I’m well on my way to having it paid up ready for license coming . Cheers dan
Been shooting Registured Trap for many years. Both Mfg.companys make great guns..shoot the gun u like...that fits you...100x100 is not that hard to shoot..but it does take practice...good luck to all..enjoy your outdoor shooting sports....train the young people....you will see your rewards...in their smiles...
Both equal quality shotguns, which one mounts and fits better is the one you should choose. I have a SP1 sporting and have shot almost 20k shells through it in the last few years with no hiccups. Most of those have been reloads for clay games and I have reloaded and shot 3/4 oz to 1 1/8 oz 12 ga shells and barrels have always transferred, lock up still tight shows little to no wear. Truly a gun that will last and you can pass down.
I bought my first OU shotgun in fall of 2021 in LA. Pandemic meant few pieces of any brand were in stock anywhere in my area! First one I found was a 686 Silver Pigeon 1 (field). I bought it after looking it over for 10 minutes and without having fired it. Having used it now 4 times at the range doing trap, skeet, and sporting clays (125 shots each visit), I can honestly say I love it. The one thing I did after the first range trip was to switch the stock Beretta recoil pad (garbage!) with a Limbsaver. The new pad made me love the SP1 even more. After my last range visit I decided to disable the auto-safety. The 686 SP1 field has an auto-safety which engages each time you brake the action and re-close it (i.e. after loading). The 686 SP1 sporter models do NOT have the auto-safety. I removed the piece whole so I can easily restore to factory configuration....but I can't imagine ever doing that.
It’s why I got the 687 over the 686. I just wanted a bit more of nicer finish on the wood, a game scene on each side of the receiver, gold trigger, deeper and additional engraving with the 687. But I also own a 525 and love it. But the beretta action and lock-up is bullet proof, stronger than the 525. The 525 also can get finicky with its trigger.
I've owned 'em both. Still have the Brownings because they fit me better (after the straight stock was "bent" for some cast off). I really prefer the Beretta action, but don't have a solid reason for this. Both are excellent shotguns.
I have a original Beretta 686 Onyx 28" multi choke which is now 35 years old [owned from new] and its never missed a beat and it shoots like a dream. I still shoot in the upper 70s/80s on sporting clays. Also owned a 686 silver pigeon 28" multi choke which I purchased new as a instructors gun and I also shot well with that. Then after 5 years like a fool I sold it. At this point that gun had got through over 100.000 rounds without fault and I sold it for more than I paid for it. there's a small local club that I shoot with and in the last 4 months 3 different members have bought new browning's all 3 have experienced problems with them. I have shot with one of them and it felt less refined and kind of dead in the hand compared to the Beretta. But then I have been shooting the same Beretta for 35 years so I guess I might be biased. My advise make sure the gun you buy FITS you and then stick with it from experience I would say it takes about 6/8 months shooting twice monthly before a new gun starts to feel like part of you. So hang in there . I have a client who has got through 5 different guns in 3 months chasing the holy grail of the magic gun [ which of course does not exist ] The joke is the first gun he bought was perfect but he is just not prepared to practice and improve he wants to shoot 100 straight ..Straight out of the box . Unfortunately Any advice given falls on deaf ears and I guess its his money he is wasting not mine
I have had the Browning for about 4 years now. I use it for sporting clays and pheasant/Hungarian partridge/grouse in Montana. From high heat in the summer to below zero in winter. I have the 32" barrels. I have enjoyed the gun and have had only one problem, and it occurred several times, which is failure to fire the second shot. On researching this via the Internet, I found that mine was not an isolated situation. Many people have had the same problem and Browning says they will "try" to fix it, but their repair facility would not/could not tell me what was the cause of the issue. One possible cause could be that I was "trapping the trigger" when I had gloves on in the winter. This did occur when I was wearing heavier gloves and when I switched to thinner gloves or no gloves I didn't have the issue that day. Not a great solution, since I needed the gloves for the cold. But, it has happened when I was wearing no gloves shooting sporting clays. So, just a warning that in my opinion the trigger could be causing the problem. It needs to be fully released to reset for the second shot, and if you are wearing gloves or don't fully release it, you may have a failure to fire.
I’ve had my Silver Pigeon for 4 years now and have been super impressed with it. Three weeks ago I was shooting clays at the range and the action stuck closed after firing the rounds. We all tried to break it open but I gave up not wanting to damage it further. I took it to the dealer I bought it off who sent it to Beretta in Melbourne. Beretta fixed it (just some debris caught in the action) and returned it for no charge. They are a class act, all the way!
That 525 looks very familiar to me, but let's be honest, one hot tub may very well look like another to the average joe Great channel chaps, have learned alot from these videos. Keep up the good work.
The Gun Shop SEEN A USED XT TRAP, IT HAS A 32 INCH REMOVAL CHOKE BARREL AND ADJUSTABLE CHOKES. IT LOOKS UNFIRED, I WAS THINKING ABOUT BUYING IT FOR SPORTING CLAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE HIGH BEAD, LOOKS LIKE MEDIUM TO STANDARD HEIGHT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT'S NOT HEAVY FOR ME, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE LITTLE EXTRA WEIGHT FOR THE SIDE FLYING, DROPPING CLAYS.
Both guns are quite equal, but I veer toward the Browning as the pistol grip is fuller for me it feels like a good chunk of wood as while the Beretta is a bit too slender. The furniture on the Browning in this example is much nicer as well, but looks are not everything... I would and have gone for browning as it has a chunkier feel to it. Nice vid, Cheers!
Well, i have had both. To be honest both are really good. I sold them both when i stopped shooting for a few years. Now starting again so got a dilemma of which one to get. Think it's gonna be both again. Maybe Browning first. Or if i can get a good deal on both new then both it will be.... Whats the price for both?.
I have been using a 425 for many years with no problems. Would it be worth changing to a 525 or silver pigeon? Is there enough of a better difference to make it worthwhile?
I bought a Beretta 687 Silver Pidgin in 1990. It had a gold inlay of a golden retriever on one side, and I think a gold inlay of a pheasant on the other side? I DO remember the dog, but fuzzy on the other side. The 687 shown here has no golden inlay anything. Cost savings?? Loved that gun! Sold it after car accident, needed the money. Miss it very much. As an aside, what do you think of these INCREDIBLY CHEAP Turkish over/unders? Good value?? Or, junk?? We are talking $300.00 American for one of these!! Amazingly cheap! But look well made. IDK.
I recently bought the Betetta 690. How does it compare to the 525? Are the mechanics on the 690 the same as the SP? Regards From South Africa Love the channel. I've watched all the videos. Keep up the good work
I have a 686 that I shoot 20 and 28 in trap. Unlike my 682, which has a screw to keep the barrel selector in place, I tend to switch to the lower barrel on the 686 when I open the gun. Puggy fingers? So when shooting trap singles I always use the lower barrel on the 686. No big deal.
Brian Nemec when you say you shoot 28 in trap singles how does that work I thought it was 25 shots 4 times a round . Just asking because I’m new to all this
Hi. Loving the videos. I’m on the look for a new used shotgun. The shop has a cesar guerini summit sporting and a browning 525 game for sale. The browning is 200 cheaper. Ideally will be used for rough shooting and shooting clays. Mainly clay shooting. In that I expect to put more rounds through on clays. Which would you recommend. Thanks.
I just found the channel thanks for the good content. I've had both Citori, B-25, and 68X shotguns and none of them gave any trouble. The Beretta is easier to rebuild when/if needed but there are very good gunsmiths for any of them. Of those 3 guns I shot the Citori the best simply due to how that particular model fit and balanced for me. The Beretta was next followed closely by the B-25. All 3 were setup for clays games and had digested a good number of rounds through the years without any issues. Get the gun that you can shoot well and that "speaks" to you. Then call it good and try to wear it out on the clays range or hunting fields.
I really wanted a browning. But every one I see looks like a huge block. I can get a nicer looking equivalent silver pigeon for cheaper. Someday I’ll figure out which I want and buy it.
I used first time Beretta Silver Pigeon shotgun in my life shooting a clay . Guess what. I got 10 out of 10. I love this gun. I shoot with one eye closed.
My shooting buddy and I have a 525 (mine) and his a Beretta. Always chiding each other over which gun to get. While I'm a dedicated skeet shooter, and have ground 10's of thousands of rounds through the 525, guess which shotgun broke, and broke hard, not the 525,,,,,
Suppose you need a field gun and both guns fit you. Is there a real difference in barrels’ diameter? Beretta field guns have 18.4 mm as a standard, brownings are all backbored to as large as 18.8 or even 18.9. Will there be a considerable velocity loss when shooting lead shot? Gun will be used for game shooting only.
On the berreta you said the barrel sits slightly on the ejectors when its open so when its been worn in you have to give the barrel a bit of pull to open fully, ive been expriancing this issue, would it be as simple as replacing the ejector springs to fix this?/ cheers
As an absolute novice looking to get into the sport, these two models have repeatedly been suggested as a good starting point. Are there any others you would throw into the hat that I could have a look at buying alongside these two?
@@baburbabur terrible advice, if you mount an over and under properly you won’t get hurt from recoil and using light 21g cartridges for clays through a 12gauge is more than suitable for any clays you might encounter. If you use a semi auto or pump some clay grounds won’t allow them and game shoots most certainly won’t!!
@@tst698 BS, O/U guns are nothing more than a fashion thing. Recoil is not the issue, weight is. An O/U will be nearly twice as heavy and 4 times as expensive as a semiauto. Never heard about shooting compounds not allowing semi auto guns. Besides, all an OU can do is clay shooting, completely useles to hunt because you will not feel confortable carrying such an heavy gun for a long walk in the fields. For that a pump is the top choice. And a pump is ok for a begginers clay practice in 12 gauge. I dont think a begginer will start out with skeeting trough all gauges. There is a long way before that, and when ir gets there, maybe the big fashion will be side by side again, a real mans shotgun.
@@baburbabur funny! We did hunt with O/U & S/S for a few hundred years until today in the Old World. It always worked out and will do in the Future too. Also some national rights don't allow semiautomatic guns. And many hunting clubs don:t accept it too. So your advice was not a good one. An O/U will work fine for hunting and sport shooting. A semi-automatic is nice for some special hunting scenarios, too. But only for some...
Jonny, brilliant comparison - now I'm totally confused about which is best - but I know, 'neither' is probably the true answer..... 😎 Are they really 50/50? As you know I'm also seriously considering the ATA Supersport too, which is my current preference 😅
The Browning locking wedge is far more tight and long lasting than the beretta locking system and barretta's are always way more complicated than they need to be
Any chance of a review on the Miroku mk11 sporter? Or at least your thoughts. Found a bargain on a new one down here in Melbourne but can't find a word on them anywhere. Thankyou from the southern hemisphere
Beretta low profile receiver is generally the deciding factor. I prefer Browning. A Beretta/Browning 725 would be more of an apples to apples comparison.
Alternatively you could spend 1/3 as much on a good mid grade hand made, hand engraved, hand checkered British SxS and walk the game fields in style. I suppose a new soulless o/u is ok when you’re practicing by yourself! lol 😉👍🏼
Knowing this is an older video, however being 35 and doing the hunting course in my country (NL) to hunt, I tend to doubt about what would be best for me. For example, a lot of reviews of shotguns tend to focus on the looks. The amount of engraving, the pattern on the wood, etc. However, although I can appreciate the looks of engraving and strong patterned wood, I couldn't give a rats buttocks if it's there or not. For all my gear and stuff I tend to look for the most robust and practical option with the best specs. Appearance wise I tend to like the black (mostly sports) designs better. However does anyone have advise on which brand and or models to into for my search of a first entry-level premium gun?
@@robinholthuizen8426 Al mijn examens heb ik gehaald, maar met hagel stond ik zo te shaken dat ik in september nog een keer mag. Ik heb al wel meerdere wapens uit mogen proberen. Tot nog toe heb ik gemerkt dat voor mij de prijsklasse geen fluit uit maakt. Er zijn dure modellen die ik verschrikkelijk vond en visa versa. In Nederland zie je vooral Beretta en Browning, dan zit je hoe dan ook goed. Ook Turkse modellen zijn bruikbaar, maar zullen iets meer onderhoud hebben. Het belangrijke is dat het zwaaien en schieten voor jou goed voelt en dat hij geschikt is voor staalhagel. Al met al, als je een wapen neemt wat voor jou fijn schiet, kun je er vanuit gaan dat je er je hele leven mee kunt doen. Vooralsnog zwaai ik zelf fijner met beretta modellen, die met andere vorming lijkt beter bij mijn houding te passen. Kogelgeweren zijn weer een ander verhaal t.o.v. hagelgeweren natuurlijk.
I dont know why but I have always thought of the silver pigeon as more of a lady's gun. No idea where I got that assumption from, maybe from size & weight.
I couldnt possibly pass comment, apart from the following; Beretta are smaller, and as such do lend themselves to a smaller hand, which tend to be attached to ladies. That said, the length of the grip does allow for a larger hand where applicable. Generally speaking, I know fewer ladies with Brownings.
The Gun Shop I am 6 '2" tall and weigh 17 stone with hands like shovels and my silver pigeon fits me like a glove .Dident like the browning .Berreta all the way for me.
The Gun Shop Consider yourself lucky in the UK Jon, the CX and their Ilk are very plain Jane boring Brownings. Aside from those in the US, you have to move up to a 725 which are fine in the field guns but if you want a sporter model then you’re stuck with having a ported barrel. They should really make the 525 available here in America.
Pistols are restricted but allowed for historic collectors, humane dispatch of injured animals, and in some areas, self defence and sporting use (Norther Ireland). Semiautomatic Rim fire .22 long barrelled pistols are legal as long as the barrel length is 12 inches and the overall length is 24 inches, the additional length being created by a steel rod which is sometimes referred to as a Coat Hanger.
Like the chap says its what suits YOU (how much you wan,t to spend n so on) best go to shooty ground with Gun shop and they will let you try `All sorts` I,m sure!! + a coach type chap will assist you?...Ish?
@@randymarsh3636 it honestly comes down to what fits. Browning and Berretta are top notch both. Can't speak for all, but I'm a shorter smaller guy and the Berretta is lighter and fit me well.
i have a Q , are both gun have firing pin get back after hit primer? this is s big issue in older model when you fire lower barrel, make it hard to open barrel since fringing pic stick into primer
