Bernard Carr - Physics of the Observer 

There is an outfit called the NOETICS Institute that does a double slit experiment where their is no "instrument" observing the behavior of photons at or after the apertures, but puts a person in the room with some feedback as to how they are showing up on the screen, and they are able to "collapse the wave function" at a "5 sigma" level,

Professor Carr is very fair in his description of the various opinions on the role of consciousness as ‘observer’. I very much like Wheeler’s ‘Participatory Universe’ idea, but I can see why many Physicists don’t - it introduces an ‘unmeasurable’ mental element into Physics. However, the fact that it creates an added embuggerance factor for physicists doesn’t make it false! Indeed, it is most compatible with James’ “Radical Empiricism” which places ‘experience’ as the central monistic reality, from which the duality of mind and matter are derivative. Does a cat, or a goldfish, or an amoeba or a camera collapse the wave function? James might say... only to the extent that they can experience the world.

Did you hear what Bernie Carr has to say? Before there were observers, the universe, as such, may not have existed as we now know it. It would have none of the features that only a sensory perceiver or observer could apply to it. It would be an uncollapsed wave-function, everything held in "superposition", existing only as potential, not actuality. The world, the universe, ACTUALLY only comes to be when the phenomenon of the entanglement of the observer and observed *collapse* the wave function of potential energy and bind it into the particles, atoms, & molecules, etc. that are the foundation of the ACTUAL material universe. So it's not that mind is more real than matter (idealism or religion) or that matter is more real than mind (physics), it's they both are required - as aspects of some unknown original source - to make the world real. This suggests neutral monism or panpsychism.

Truly a gentleman, sublimely aware of limitations to what can come out of his mouth and how, and what shouldn't. Sadly (or luckily?) according to wikipedia, the delayed-choicer is still a THOUGHT experiment.

John Wheeler says that both consciousness and particles interacting with the wave function collapses the wave function.Neil's Bohr says that knowledge of the which way information collapses the wave function. This is the Copenhagen Interpretation. The Copenhagen Interpretation was proven by the Schroedinger equation.

If we are scientists does it follow that we must require observation and repeatability as a necessary requirement of a theory? As Gauss pointed out, information requires time of transmission for any observation. This requirement eliminates any possibility for the observer as being the cause of an event to actually be the cause of the observation. As an extreme example of this, observing a cosmalogic event plays no role in the cause of a cosmological event. It then follows, no event then can be caused by the observer and preserve the delay of information as scientific requirement for scientific method,

*New and Improved Update:* Quantum Physics has shown that Reality is based on Probabilities. A statistical impossibility is defined as *_“a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument."_* The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of a functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more *Rational and Reasonable* to conclude that the cell was not formed by undirected random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Furthermore, of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/ 10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more *Rational and Reasonable* to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer while trying to determine the origin of the universe. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely *Irrational and Unreasonable* hypotheses are what many of the world’s top scientists _‘must’_ believe in and promote because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, Information, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic subjective ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millenia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by discoveries in Quantum Physics.

Bernard is great !!!

Might time collapse quantum wave function? Maybe time is needed ingredient for conscious observation?

expansion of space / cosmological constant from quantum wave time observer which measures particles and consciousness into classic universe?

Could there be a subconscious observer that has been measuring quantum fields from the start? How might a subconscious observer measure quantum fields?

quantum wave with time could be observer? quantum wave time observer measures particles and consciousness for classic reality?

once quantum wave time observer at cosmological constant expansion of space measures consciousness, along with particles, into classic universe; the rest of the constants of nature are fine tuned for conscious universe that can develop observers? (anthropic principle? weak?)

Thanks for the video. Yeah, I do believe that observer in QM is a conscious human. In every observation he is present anyway. You can't make any measurement without him, checking the result. Some would ask, how to deal with the time when there were no humans? But why do we have to think that wave functions had to collapse at that time at all? When our "humans" minds had been opened for "seeing" we started to see things which we are able to see: in collapsed state. P. S. What if after the observer started to observe, back history had been loaded (like in Delayed Choice experiment) for the macro universe

might measurement of quantum wave (in time?) produce consciousness?

Every time you hear a person talk about "collapse of the wave function", you know that the physics DK is strong in them. ;-)

What collapses the wave function? It depends on your belief system.

I guess consciousness could be the ability to incorporate information into causality. There still isn't an observer in the framework.

Maybe is a silly question but isn't it that in the double slit experiment the wave function collapses if there is any way to know where the particle went through? That is, if there is any prove by any means of the path taken?

Excellent.... thanks 🙏

just going round but this guy could not prove wrong the fact that the consciousness plays an important role in the rupture of the wave function ..... once you place the measuring device you get different results,,, if you turn it off so the electron behaves as a wave again if you turn it on the electron behaves as a particle again so the measuring device does not affect the results it is the observation,,, it is the scientists analyzing the data.

The observer system x is fundamental, the observer is't (he can go from x1 to x2 to x3 ...)

I would like to ask someone if I may, rather than the observers consciousness causing the collapse of the wave function could it become part of the wave function and therefore become a window into the wave and able to find the particle.

Is there a case where the wave function collapses without hitting the particle with a photon or some other particle as in the case of the double slit experiment?

Could time measure quantum wave function (evolution of wave function) If time measures quantum wave function, might time be observer, even conscious?

Our conception of the moment is redundant to the event .. except to us ..

Can't you actually do the double slit experiment with a cat as an observer? If the wave function collapses, then yes, the cat's an observer. Repeat this experiment until the wave function doesn't collapse. I don't know - this seems 100% testable.

How can anything be beyond the domain of physics? This is akin to saying religion is beyond the domain of arts.

If you want to know how to test what animals do collapse wavefunctions, do the experiment laid out in my recent paper: c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.apaonline.org/resource/collection/EADE8D52-8D02-4136-9A2A-729368501E43/ComputersV17n2.pdf

Eternity is WEIRD also but IT'S OUT THERE.Therefore quantum mechanics is just MORE weird for this Twilight Zone existence.

Physics is a subset of Consciousness

Matter theory. The necessary and sufficient unifying physics theory of everything. No observer required. No nonsense to argue about. Pure physics for a much better understanding of everything in our universe. Search keywords: matter theory marostica.