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My best battery for a home: is a battery from a crashed Tesla model 3 LFP (62KwH). Use the GITHUB BYD "Battery-Emulator" process to hook it up to your inverter (I suggest a Fronius). 62KwH for under AUS$6000. You need to do a lot of the work yourself, but if that suits your skills, it is hard to beat.
Too many systems rely on a vendor specific cloud/server based system, leaving you vulnerable to the continuity of that vendor. I went with a system that gives me 100% local control (LAN) control. Not the solution for most people, I understand, but I hate being vulnerable to third party web services
@@mcleank99 I started with Solaredge - but their ability and tardiness with respect to software/firmware updates is well established. I added a Sunsynk 8000, and integrated it with my existing HomeAssistant system. It works reliably, and gives me far greater control over how the system operates. I'd add that the ability of the Solaredge DC battery to store the otherwise clipped output from the PV array is attractive (but I will probably swap it for a Powerwall 3 (and keep the Sunsynk to split the risk)
About time we had an honest video like this. A content creator like yourselves willing yo stick their neck out and give sn honest unbiased opinion. Fair play lads much appreciated and some interesting food for thought as an interested prosumer 👌👍🏻
Great video! What about Fox ESS? They seem like no quibble/frills, good value for money and seemingly just work but very little media attention for some reason.
I'm a pylontech / Victron Energy freak, as love fine tuning / optimising / home assistant etc..... but realise that I'm probably in the minority on here. EDIT: Really great, unbiased & fair review, you’ll soon be on Morning Live-Well done
I basically agree with Jordan's points for the overall summary, he is doing a really great job, but I don't agree that, the other cheap brands are all "rubbish". Every company has its different positioning and strategy, we can say we are good, but it doesn't mean others are bad, it's not true and fair or kind, it's a little arrogant. Just understand and respect and make our own choices, if we can help more by doing our a little bit, then we may feel more meaningful, but it shouldn't be a goal pursued for the sake of pursuing it.
I'm using a 15kWh Fogstar battery on a Victron system. Fogstar do have a DIY battery solution, but their own pre-made solution was cheaper at the time. Victron of course is one of the best battery storage off grid solutions in my opinion, they can be expanded anyway you like.
same, using mostly pylontech. they look mor industrial then most home batteries but find upgradeability a huge advantage since they have 2,4. 3,6 and 5kw 48v battery units that can be mixed if needed. (not using them with victron, but mostly with Deye (sunsync for UK) all in one inverters)
We've just has a second Tesla Powerwall 2 installed (to a nearly 3 year old previous one and solar), now we have the correct amount of battery power for our home and business. Switchover time in the event of a power outage is not quick at all on our system, perhaps new Tesla Gateways are faster. It takes about a second to switch over, so the router etc., has its own UPS. Our installer understands that the Powerwall 2 will be sold alongside the Powerwall 3 for some time, maybe that will change when the Powerwall 3 is compatible with pre-installed Powerwall 2s. I've featured all this on my channel.
Interesting. We have a powerwall 2. The battery is around 10m from the house where the incoming mains is and the gateway. Thinking of adding a second one. But did they need to add additional cables or does the second powerwall 2 just attach to the current one?
Had a GivEnergy installed about a month ago. I wanted it in the garage, and the install was straightforward, but the commissioning has been painful (and is still not complete). Fair assessment, I can't wait for it to start working with my solar (already installed). I think it's a fair assessment, my installer warned me of the commissioning issues beforehand, and had the same attitude as you (not actively recommending the product due to the commissioning issues)
I had all in one fitted all went well and as the installer had experience the commissioning went seamlessly had no issues and already saved me from 3 power cuts
My Givenergy AIO install went very well. I suppose it depends on the installer's experience with the system. Also, they have announced that you can add additional AIO systems with or without an additional Gateway. That is available now.
Review for installers bias: many aspects are too squewed from an installers perspective with little information on cloud controls by the OEM. Emphasis of styling which I would say is swamped by apparent installation appearances - lots of exposed cables, would be much neater in trunking.
Been watching the channel for over a year now - love this! Jordan's always a great watch and you've showcased loads of great stuff, but as someone who's about to go from 'interested in' to 'handing over money' for this stuff, this was timely and really helpful. I'd honestly never considered the Powerwall - assumed I'd be paying the Mu$k tax, but you prove it to be good value, and the PW3 sounds almost perfect for both my use case and (hopefully) budget, so I'm going to have to do a bit more digging. Keep up the good, nay great, work, Artisans! 👏👍
For those not currently blessed with an overflowing bank account the DIY option can be a good way of getting the battery needs met for a lot less. I'm currently building a 14.x Kw (13.5Kw usable) LFP SEPLOS MASON 280 16 Cell system with a choice of rack mount or floor on wheels. It's about £500 for the case, with active BMS and Cells are currently £100ea (x16 £2100 for the system with Grade A EVE cells.) You would still need an inverter and MPPT option to charge so it does start to build in price, but for the power it's hard to beat. I've added solar to my garage roof using the rubber feet you showed in a different video. I'll wire into the MPPT as I'm familiar with that part from my van conversion and it's solar. The part I'll be calling on an electrician for is hooking my hybrid system into the grid so it can power the house if needed or feed into the grid if they need it. I know my comment isn't really relevant to most viewers here. But I thought the poorper take on adding a house battery might interest a few.
You might want to consider getting a hybrid inverter instead of a separate MPPT and inverter. It should be a bit cheaper and also a slightly cleaner setup.
Also getting three pylontech us 5000 would give similar results while getting rid of the complexity of buying cells from China and packaging them. For many people the difference in price wouldn't be worth the headaches of buying and packaging cells.
@@Felix-st2ue the cells are from frogstar in the UK but the cells are from China originally, just like most of (if not all) the others. I am looking at a hybrid inverter but not sure which I'm going to get yet, I have time. no rush as money is tight the longer it takes the more I can save. But thanks for the feedback. I should have been clearer on my design. ;)
@BlueSkySmileGTP Yeah, no worries. A lot of people order the cells directly from China to save a few quid. But then you have to have a reliable seller etc.. Your design is perfectly fine if you're willing to and capable of placing the battery. It was just meant as inspiration for people who are a bit less technically versed or want to put in a bit less effort. They can get similar results with just a small amount of extra costs.
Totally agree, I went with 4 server rack DIY cases, Eve MB30 304Ah cells, it's 15Kwh per case, or 60Kwh for my 4 boxes. They are being charged and controlled by an EG4 15kpv hybrid inverter. Each battery case has a JK BMS w/ 200A discharge each. More than enough to run my entire house for a day.
Tesla PW3 can actually charge at 8kW if you have multiple units. PW3 with inverter + PW3 expansion without inverter giving 27kWH+ total can charge at 8kW charge rate, one PW3 on its own charges at 5kW. So when you add the expansion pack later in Q4 this it will charge quicker Theres an all white PW3 with powder coated casting coming soon. But probably the biggest thing for PW3 is if you have Tesla charger Gen3 and a PW3 with a gateway or a backup switch then at some point in the future you should be able to run the house on V2H from your Tesla vehicle - Cybertruck already does it in USA and will be in other vehicles at some point soon, already been mention by Drew Baglino at Tesla.
For the German/Swiss/Austrian customers definitely look at E3DC. Great Battery/Inverter combo with software, AC Car charger with options to charge on solar only. New is the DC charger with an option vor V2H if you own a VW
I was hoping you would cover the Enphase batteries as I've got Enphase invertors for the solar and likely to get one of their batteries unless there's a coming reason to go with another system.
I’ve got a Solaredge energy bank and it’s been running for nearly 2 years. Big headaches getting commissioned (dead comms board on inverter), but it’s been pretty reliable ever since. The hardware is excellent. The problem is the software. It’s good for installers, but the full range of control options is not available to home owners. Charging on export limitation for example is unavailable to homeowners. The biggest problem is the price. It’s very pricey! There’s no backup power out of the box either and the backup solution that does exist isn’t backward compatible with the older hd wave inverters. My next upgrade will be 30kWh Pylontech + 6kW Solis hybrid inverter with EPS. Solar fences as well “just because panels are as cheap as wooden fences”.
Great video! Only one critique… might be better to apply a percentage (weighting), to each of the battery’s characteristics to get a better measure of each product. For instance, the battery’s specs are far more important than their looks and ease of installation. Other than that, all good!!
Thank you for a very informative video. One important aspect that I think you should cover is offline operation. What happens if you lose your internet connection? What if the hosting company goes bust? What if the hosting company turns nasty (Chinese government interference)? Do you lose control? What residual functionality (if any) do you have?
It's not the approved way of doing things but the Tesla Backup Gateway II has its own web server so you can log into it from your home network if plugged in or via its own wi-fi, to see the state of the battery charge/discharge/grid connection.
Local control without cloud/internet is absolutely king. I have Tado controlling my heating... outages on their side and my internet (virgin) over the last 2 years have left me without proper control several times. IMHO full local control with some cloud support and extra/optional features is best combo, and I won't ever buy another cloud-only solution again due to the risks Barry raises and my personal experience - this is true for inverters, heat pumps and anything else essential for life.
Jordan you are right it’s all about the kit just like a full CH system quote used to be done - Boiler plus 7 rads is x £. But quality was not the issue and rubbish radiators soon showed their poor build. I have a 5kw ginglong inverter plus pylontech x 4 plus panels x 15 . Got my eye on a PW three to take one of the two arrays (7 and 8). If it’s back compatible. Wife and I watched this before I left for work and she nodded sagely at some of your comments. She clearly has been brainwashed. Wish I knew two years ago what I know now. Thank god for Octopus EV tariff as we now back load for my 6 hours a night and export every day the surplus. Costs me 7p they pay me 8p. Never intended to do that other than in winter. Trevor
Im really highly impressed with your review videos. I may have a new Battery for you to review in a few months time - Bringing one in from the USA, but will ultimately be manufactured here in the Sth of the UK. Will keep you updated.
Absolutely brilliant video. What a great breakdown of costs and quality. One thing I would love to know. Is what is the minimum amount of solar panels you could use on these systems. Also can you link in a turbine.
Great video. I have a Powerwall 2 and can say I'm mostly happy with it. However the backup isn't great. Whenever we get a power-cut it tends to trip the RCD in the consumer unit. My installer says they have a report logged with Tesla but this has been going on for more than a year. Tesla seem to suggest using a 100ma RCD but I believe those aren't legal in this country. It feels like the Powerwall was designed for the US market. So I was wondering how all the other batteries in your test integrate with the UK electrical system and if they have any quirks people should be aware off.
Interesting. I have a solax ac coupled battery system with a 5kW inverter "powered" by 10kW of panels 5 east, 5 west with two solax inverters. A 3.5KW Inverter on the battery wouldn't power my oven (4kW on boost), let alone the microwave and kettle.... Given that I already had a Zappi and Eddi, I was tempted by thee Libbi, but it was expensive amd the inverter not up to the job (3.5kW)
Tesla Powerwall 3 is available and being installed already, I know of at least one person that's had one installed a couple of weeks back, and I'm sure there are install videos on here in the UK.
Why review GivEnergy with the lack of enthusiasm about the general build quality? Warranties are only as good as the longevity of the company, which is as long as a piece of string! All I worry about is that the cloud connectivity to the parent company, usually in the PRC, could be lost in an instant if the international relations deteriorate due to external political or economic tensions, dependent on the occupant of the White House.
Great concise unbiased review Jordan, really helpful. I'm hanging out for more on the Anker Solix X1, any ideas when it's coming or if it's already here? I'd love to see more on that when you can, I know it'll probably cost an arm and a leg but it's going to be a great investment I reckon. 👍
SMA Sunny Tripower 10.0 Smart Energy + SMA Sunny Home Manager 2.0 + BYD Battery-Box Premium HVM 22.1 for about 11.000 EUR or 500 EUR/kWh ex. VAT is what I would also consider a premium solution. It has no UPS backup like the Sigenergy Sigen hybrid inverter, but SMA offers backup power (on and off grid) with real 3 phase 10 kW (12 kVA short term). And their monitoring is very good.
Thanks for your advice. I was tempted by the MyEnergi One finance but from what you've said here it's not suitable for my setup, and is expensive. Back to the Tesla Powerwall and addons I think
This is helpful... Does anyone know where Fox ESS would compare to any of these, either in quality or price? I have 2 quotes for a solar sytem in the pipeline... one supplier is suggesting fox, the other Givenergy Thanks for any comment?
The other benefit with the SolarEdge is if you have an export limitation, or a lower inverter faceplate rating than your panels will peak at on a sunny day, you can divert that excess into the battery - so if your panels were generating 8.6kW of power and your inverter was only 3.6kW you could be converting 3.6kW to AC and charging the battery up at 5kW. With an AC coupled battery you'd be losing 5kW to heat with an undersized inverter. Game changing for the ever more punitive export limitations being agreed by DNO's
One thing I’ve discovered is that although SolarEdge HD Wave inverters can connect up to 3 SolarEdge batteries, only one of them can be charged from the grid (or PV), the other 2 can only be charged from PV. I was looking to get a second battery added to my system, mainly to allow me to fully run the house in winter using cheaper overnight electricity, but was told I couldn’t grid-charge a second battery.
Good video. Having said that, when you look at the table of price per kWh at the end, you have to question why anyone could justify paying over £500/kWh. Appreciating that tariffs can and do change regularly… right now in the UK you can arbitrage power to the tune of about 15-17p/kWh. Octopus Intelligent Go will sell to you at 7p overnight, which if you then use during the day helps you avoid paying 24p - so around a 17p/kWh saving. Similarly, you can export your unused solar for 15p/kWh so typically it doesn’t make sense to charge the battery with that - but if you do, you’re “paying” 15p with it to avoid grid power at 24p so only saving 9p/kWh. Assuming a single cycle per day, each kWh of battery is therefore saving you a maximum of about 17p. If you do that every day of the year then 365 x .17 = £62. You’re going to need that system to run for a very long time before you even get your capital outlay back if you pay top prices for batteries. Personally I’m very happy with my 9kWh of usable Growatt battery which cost around £350/kWh installed. But I acknowledge how long the payback is going to be.
I'm still undecided on the Bluetti and a dedicated system. I use the AC200max to power my camper van. And at home you could use it too. Albeit you need the larger one for 6kW draw on real home use when cooking. It gives you more use out of it.
I'm very sceptical of the tactic of charge at night on cheap rate ,use solar during day and push the battery out to the grid at peak feed in price in the early evening, an all except the best solar days you will end up cycling the battery far more than you would when just used for solar storage so you are trading jam today for an earlier battery replacement cost in the future.
Wonder if you can take the 9.6 kW 240v NEMA 14-50 output of the Cybertruck bed and hook it up to the 'generator' input of the a battery system? Seems like it would work just like a generator with a L1 & L2 coming from the generator and there is a neutral balancing transformer in the battery system to create the 120v capable input into your backup loads.
Good video but waiting for Sodium Ion based system . Funny thing about the new regulations for fire protection......it is still ok to park a petrol car in the garage...smh
A really good summary, with some consumer-friendly detail too. Being about to select a system for installation, this was absolutely the video I had not even hoped to find, and pitched very well. Only one bit of feedback for what could have been added….I’d have found V2H (present or future) capabilities for these systems super useful too. (A 9 out of 10, in fact, had this been included !!) Solid job, all the same.
There is a NEWS article on watched in RU-vid - and I don't recall in which State in AUSTRALIA it was in - however - the news item referred to s group of homes with solar panels sharing the energy they produced. I may find the URL when I search through the history - and will post the link when I find it - providing of course I have not yet deleted that history - as I often do
Great video as always, I’m thinking on getting a Powerwall 3 to go with our EV and charge at the cheap rate at 7p without the solars. Do you see more people doing this, and is it worth it ?
These prices per kWh are slightly misleading and assume are excluding install costs as I haven't found anyone selling a PW3 for £6,493 (£481 x 13.5)? If you are offering at this price I'd snap your hand off!
Great video. Despite the key board warriors on here 🙄 Could you clarify the ip rating for the Sigenergy Sigenstor please. (You didn’t mention it at all) Would you install in an outdoor environment completely unprotected. The manufacturer states ip66, but to protect from rain and direct sunlight.
We had a Givenergy AIO fitted all went well, done in a day, app is good, saved us from three power cuts so far and will charge at 6kW however the DNO has restricted discharge to 3kW and also denied my application for more solar PV
Is that the total inverter discharge limited to 3 kW, or just export to the grid? Surely only the latter impacts the wider distribution network and most good inverters allow this to be limited?
My SunSynk batteries are advertised as being 100% depth-of-discharge, but even though the inverter is told to go to 0%, the batteries only go down to 10% and not 0%. I do feel conned as I have less capacity then I paid for... Apart from that, I'm really pleased with my SunSynk 8.8KW system.
Thank you for this video. Very useful. Im looking to install solar. Batteries and to have back up for my home. As i live in a rural location, we do get powercuts. My main concern is that you say these should be installed outside if possible. I live near the cornish Coast and wanted to know if this would be an issue? I have enjoyed your videos as I started watching because of your choice of tooling. I have worked for Hilti for 14 years and find it good to get customers' views on our tooling.
Very useful video however you don’t mention if any/all of these systems do smart charging. I dipped my toe in the battery market 4 to 5 years ago and have smallish Moixa battery which uses time of year and weather forecast to decide level to charge to overnight as it knows when my solar panels will kick in to recharge . So in the middle of summer, with forecast sunny days it may only charge to 40% overnight in cheap rate electricity as it knows there will be energy from the solar panels to power house and recharge battery. Conversely in the winter it will charge to 100% each night due to less daylight hours for panels to click in. This is incredibly useful smart feature but would be good to know if all new battery systems have that as standard?
Really interesting review, thank you. We are in the process of looking and have been quoted for an EcoFlow PowerOcean system. Have you seen this brand & do you have an opinion ? Thanks 👍
Very good information. Could you do a similar version regarding panels? In the next 2 years I'll be looking to upgrade a small off grid system in Portugal to something more substantial and modern world appropriate. The choice of systems locally seems to be far smaller and usually down to installer preference. Are there any videos in your 600 that might begin my offgrid education and who knows what will be available then?
Good you mention maximum load. It's not just capacity (KWh) but output (KW). You can have the largest capacity in the world but if you can only draw 1KW power then it is pretty much useless for anything except powering lights and your TV. My system has a max sustained load of 5KW which covers most things (washing/cooking etc). If 1Million homes in UK had a battery which discharged at peak time this could replace the output from about 3 power stations which would be a massive saving in electrical infrastructure.
A massive saving in electrical infrastructure but you are forcing costs on to the consumer. Do you really think consumers should be forced in to spending thousands of pounds on a battery installation?
Cracking video. By far the most useful battery comparison video out there. I had not heard of Sigen other than your intersolar video and had dismissed them. Looks like I’ll be comparing them with GE (I dislike Tesla) - a local installer puts GEs in cupboards for external mounting.
I find my LG Resu Prime 16Kwh & SolarEdge HomeWave inverter perfect. Just a shame it's not supported on the newer HomeWave inverter. It a bit of a micro-manger if you want to min/max it, but it does what we need.
Spot on 👍 I have a solis hybrid 5kw inverter and 10kw of Puredrive batteries and it's very cost effective Vs these other systems and cheaper to buy and install. I can expand the batteries up to 25kw if needed.
Shame this is inaccurate on the GivEnergy System. The All in one discharges to the home at 6kw irrespective of grid discharge. The system is expandable up to 3 at present, the new installer app means commissioning typically less than 30mins and every system is factory tested before release and the new robotised production has ensured fantastic quality which means the warranty is fully justified and it’s fully compliant to be outside despite your claim
Your videos have been incredibly insightful for a while range of information. The only thing that would really help average price breakdowns for installs for these as it's really hard to judge how much these systems cost comparatively.
I figured this would be the case, I think what I was thinking about is that you're team has incredible experience with systems of various sizes and tech that getting rough ideas would be helping. Theres quite a few videos on prices for people who install specific systems but there is nobody on RU-vid that has provided data on all these various systems as a whole. Being able to see various ecosystems and the installations costs associated with them based on size / capacity is difficult to understand. I'm currently looking to get a solar system but the prices have varied so wildly it becomes so hard to make a decision on what ecosystem to go for and what I might actually need. I understand the serious amount of variables associated with these installs given each house will be unique so understandably price data is going to be hard to summarize. Please keep up these comparative videos as it sheds so much light on ecosystems in general and it's a massive help! Thank you
Oh dear. Inverters convert DC to AC. That’s it. Anything that converts AC to DC is just a rectifier. Nobody in electronics would call both of them inverters. This is because when converting DC to AC, the polarity needs to be inverted on each half cycle. When converting AC to DC, the alternating polarity is simply rectified. I don’t blame the channel for this - solar and battery system manufacturers are making the same mistake and it’s really confusing! In short: An AC to DC converter is a rectifier (including input power factor correction, usually). A DC to AC converter is an inverter (possibly including phase tracking, such as in a grid-tied inverter).
You should blame the channel. These people are supposedly qualified electricians. They absolutely should know the difference between a rectifier and inverter. Worrying if they do not. Whilst I would not expect them to understand about phase locked loops, voltage doublers, or class AB amplifiers, they should know about basic elements such as inverters and rectifiers.
What is the output rate for the Sigenergy battery? I don't think that you mentioned that. Was it 12 kw output from the inverter? But as I understand, you must have 3 battery modules to get that output? Have I understod it right? If the Solar Edge Home battery has 5kw output rate. If you have a 3 phase system is the 5kw output then divided by 3 (1,66 kw per phase)?
We install sunsynk cost 8-10 tech back up 5-10 qualify 7-10 we also do the odd Ecoflow kit early stuff not good but its getting better Tec back up 6-10
I'd like to see a comparison with pylontech as they are ones we've got installed. Also how easy is it to swap out existing batteries? We're using a Solis inverter with PV optimisers.
Glad to know my preference is still valid. Thank you Tesla. Interesting to see in 5 years time what will happen with Samsung's solid state batteries with double the energy density. I can see this tech dropping to £100/kWh very quickly. I think most would want 12kW inverter as a minimum, particularly if you are going all electric and can't rely on Gas or solid fuels for hot water. They have to get smaller as these solutions are just too big for many UK dwellings. Shame we can't have solutions which can go in the ground. I could quite easily have one in my driveway then and would be very close to my incoming supply and Solar PV.
If you were recommending a fresh install, would you opt for the Tesla or sigenergy if it were largely just overnight charging. It would be for an overnight charge and use during the day with only small 4 panel 2.4kwh system on a house using around 0.8kw per hour ambient. Crazy ambient due to control4 system.
I have been looking a bit on Fronius Primo/Symo GEN24 Plus, which is an integrated unit with solar+battery inverter. I have some good experience from the earlier Fronius inverters. Then there's Ferroamp with built-in 3-phase load balancing.
Maybe not a question for an installer? Would it be possible to buy an EV and use it as a backup power source, and power it from lets say octopus cheap rate tariff? I qualify for the Motability scheme due to sight loss issues, my partner works 12 round trip miles from home 9-5 for 4 days a week. Car would be sat in drive (batteries outside obviously) I was looking at Hyundai Ionic 5 as preferred vehicle. May thanks in advance T
Great and very informative video , thank you! It would really be helpful if you could also include in your reviews details of where these batteries and made - out of principle would avoid anything Chinese particularly if there is parts and warranty exposure in the future ! Thank you …👍
I think Givenergy is also LFP chemistry. Discharge can peak at 7kW for short times. Not sure why it lost out on cost to Powerwall when it is cheaper with equivalent PW3 specs.
@@artisanelectricsdepends on shopping around.. I got a givenergy 9.5 system for £3,5 k installed.. less than half the price of a PW, less capacity sure, but not that less..
I asked three GivEnergy approved installers to quote for a AIO 6, one quoted the wrong battery, and the other two never got back to me. Terrible service, I'll see if Tesla PowerWall 3 approved installers are any better. Why should you have to chase people so hard to get anything done nowadays? The promise you the earth when stood in front of you, then tumble weeds...
I have a suspicion that many suppliers don't like educated consumers. Potential customers that ask intelligent (and perfectly valid) questions are seen as a threat and are potentially "difficult customers". It shouldn't work like that because there's an opportunity for both parties to learn and to benefit from collaboration. Customers that treat everything stated by a supplier as gospel are much easier to deal with. My comments are not directed at energy storage/solar suppliers but across a much broader range of technologies and I don't think the situation is helped by so many companies jumping on the government grants gravy train with insufficient knowledge and expertise; they generate a poor reputation that affects everyone in the industry.
@@davem.4003 I did wonder if it was maybe because I came across as a bit "challenging"! Might have to work on my approach with the next company (I have been picky choosing ling established local companies with good reviews - I don't fancy a new upstart).
Just a quick question I'm considering a 3 phase battery for a commercial unit. The sigenergy 48 kwh seems a perfect fit. Can you advise a very rough cost for the system fitted? Kind regards Paul (Swansea UK)
Surprised how reasonable the Powerwall is. Given Tesla's reputation for software development, I expected this to be set at a significant price premium.
How many of these system are fully controllable without internet and any cloud? There is no guaranty that any of these company will still be there in 10 years. What happens if their app & cloud are gone?
of those in this video, only the Myenergi system as they have screens on all their controllers that can be used without any internet, they communicate locally over radio and local WAN.
My Solis inverter has a control screen and my batteries can be controlled through that at a basic level but usually they are just dumb as in fill up and drain out, it is the inverter that controls everything.
I have a 9.5kw givenergy system on the outside of my house for the last year no problems now having another 9.5kw battery fitted next week along with a free car charger worth a £1000. Thank you Givenergy
Simon and Deang, I also have a 9.52kw (Lithiumironphosphate) battery installed a year ago in the garage by Octopus last year. (13.5 was not available at that point) Some minor firmware update interruptions and the engineer had to call them when first installed for commissioning, but apart from this very happy with it's performance. I like the various import, export options on the app. My line of thinking was that if Octopus, the most innovative energy provider in the UK is willing to put their name and reputation to it. Then it should be good enough for my needs and I they also have direct accountability with any aftercare.
@@vinizzlevinizzle6131 Ah pleased I am not the only one satisfied with Givenergy. I shall be even happier when their car charger becomes compatible with Octopus intelligent so I can then move over from octopus go.
@@vinizzlevinizzle6131 No, you don't have a 9.62kW battery installed. You have a 9.52kWh battery installed. Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not kW. You need to understand the difference between kW and kWh, they are two very different things. You can't do the calculations correctly regarding power, energy, how long the battery will last if you don't understand the difference.
@@artisanelectricsthe dual setup is in “open beta” (I.e., installation instructions not formally released, but installers can contact GivEnergy for instructions (there are two possible methods you can use). 3rd AIO is still in closed beta, I.e., limited number of handpicked installations are being used as guinea pigs
@@artisanelectricsit’s only just come out of beta. I’m waiting for my second unit pending DNO approval. The good thing is it not only doubles capacity it doubles output too so will be able to power most houses entirely off grid including ovens and electric showers.
Cracking video Jordan. Some additional systems to throw in the mix for your next round up. Alpha ESS and Duracell. both are half the price of powerwall but have impressive specs. Duracell lacks the "all in one" element, but the Alpha is all in one box. Its a very nice system.
I was hoping to see some of the ones I had gotten quotes for! any advise on choosing between Jinko Tiger Neo 435w panels + GivEnergy 5kw inverter + GivEnergy 9.5kwh Gen 2 vs Perlight NTA 430w + Solis 6kw inverter + 2x PureStorage II??
Hi, I’ve been looking at the SigenStor data sheet and the SP controller seems to be rated at 6kw not 12kw as you state in the video. It can take 12kw of solar input but only discharge 6kw nominal, 6.6kw max.
