Is it possible for you to make a tier list for unduped champs? It'd help newer players to choose which to rank, considering they usually don't get dupes early on. For instance, thor is trash unduped.
Duped is duplicated. When you get a champion you already have, it gets converted. That conversion gives you some resources, but more importantly, it unlocks and levels up signature abilities. I have some 2* champions that I've gotten so many copies of that they have all abilities unlocked and fairly respectable level. With those abilities unlocked, I notice different characters become better. For example, my first 4* was VenomPool. It is my strongest character right now. However, the same version of VenomPool as a 2* is pretty mediocre compared to my 2* Guillotine and 2* IronFist. The signature abilities make a huge difference in performance.
Hi Seatin! I do agree with most of your choices but I would move three champs from amazing to demi-god. That is Vison (AoU), Elektra and YJ. 1. Vision - he is totally the best option in the game to power drain enemies. In many situtation in the game, with power flood nodes he is priceless. Additionally he can stop enemy from the healing with 100% reliability, which comes handy agains number of enemies, including Maestro. For an average player, who does not have SL, Strange or SW he is the 4th best option to kill Maestro I believe. Since Strange, SW and SL are already god-tiers, I see no reason to do not make Vision a demi-god. Plus he is immune to bleed and poison which is trully a rare feature in that combination. 2. YJ - basically there is one reason to consider his 'application' to demi-god level. His sting of course. You can overcome Spite. You can overcome deterimental effects immunity. You have solid hit, combined with extra punishment for every special. Or extra stun, which is pretty good thing. Especially for players with medium experience and limited roster, he is one of the top choices to kill minibosses in AQ. 3. Elektra. I consider her second best offensive champ in skill class. She is just a slightly worse version of BW. Little chance for an enemy to trigger deff ability while parried or armor breaked or while bleeding is great. With an Assasin mastery last % of life are very very short to any opponent.
Dear Sir; First let me say thank you for taking time out to make the videos they are informative and entertaining. With regard to ranking issues or feedback, I think you need to bump Hyperion up at least one tier to Demi god. I have re-tooled my build and play a Liquid Courage build with him and the damage out put is ungodly. He is only 5/50 Level 63 but the Poison Immunity with Liquid Courage is ridiculous and Fury V, Incinerate V and Armor Break V put him in a class unto himself for damage output. Lastly I do hear you that his 2nd attack if blocked does not produce a positive result but with that it mind his Incinerate on 1 and the fact his level 3 tends to KO anything with 1/3 of the health remaining means I normally skip the Level 2 unless I need Armor Break and with the Constant energy gain you are rarely a few moments from Level 3. Lastly I know regen isn't prominently featured as far as champion ranking but there have been many times where Spending 3 stacks of cosmic energy has resulted in Hyperion regaining all but 15% of his health for a minor investment in time and power. So my two cents thanks again and look forward to future videos.
Well about drax i think he should be at amazing tier bottom cause he has a decent bleed ,his double auto can bypass mordos stun 'immunity' ,he is okay at alliance quest and has some good synergies with star lord or rocket..i mean he does make it to the amazing tier but still stays at the bottom
Drax is really good for offense because his bleed has saved me a lot of times in quests esspecialy the sorcer's conclave but I think he needs bleed to win a lot because against like immune bleed champion he is ok.
Seatin I personally value Ronan for a few reasons, reason number 1 he has a guaranteed stun of his specials for a decent amount of time, gets a longer duration on his stuns when he's duped when the opponent has buffs, and he's poison immune. I hope you can take this into consideration and bump him up. (This regards to Ronan being in the amazing tier for attacking)
Drax is actually amazing. I have a 4* duped 4/40 version of him and he is a killer. When he's duped he stacks bleed and fury. His bleed is amazing (my Drax does around 110 bleed without fury). Dont get me started on how much he can bleed for with 4-5 stacks of fury (about 200-250). And remember he stacks this bleed so combined with a crit team the opponent is constantly bleeding for deadly amount. ALSO his level 2 special does about 3x more bleed than the normal crit bleeds. This can be utilised in so many ways like he can bleed for more than iron man regens with his arc overload ability and also has a class advantage against him. He can be used against any bleedable champ and still has decent damage against un-bleedable champs since he stacks so many furys. This is only if he's duped but still he should at least deserve to be in the amazing tier. Loving your vids Seatin, I'm a sucker for these analyst style videos and recently subbed. Keep up the good work and best of luck with your future crystals.
Great list Seatin. I agree with your Offense players, but in AW Defense my experience is a little different. We're in tier 1 and our Ultrons, Wolverines, and Rhinos rarely get a kill. Even our Spideys and Nightcrawlers are getting 1 or 2 kills when we're lucky. We almost always get a few kills with Cyclops on thorns nodes (a 5* 4/55 Cyclops gives Black Widow quite the infinity blast) and duped Ant Man on the left Armor-Thorns is pretty much God tier from our experience. Perhaps my biggest disagreement is Agent Venom. We are almost always getting 4 or 5 kills from AV on Kinetic Reactor nodes. He just sprays his opponents with bullets non-stop. And if you parry him, 75% of the time he'll shrug it off and parry you back. Most of our AVs aren't even awakened but logging serious kills. And Magik... well... not much you can do about her. In our current AW there are four 5* 4/55 Magiks and they just suck up all our health. She's a real pain. I fully agree with you there!
I feel civil warrior should be amazing for war defense. If you put him on a thorns node with either armor buff or s1 bias, then he will stack a ton of armor which negates BW's ability to ignore thorns damage and takes a while to kill.
Damn, I just went through all my champs again and noted them against the list yesterday! ;) But very happy to have you update the list again, it is very helpful! Keep up the good work!
Seatin, Iron Man is actually an amazing AQ Sustainable Champ. He hits hard (190% crit damage at sig level 20 and a solid 20% crit chance) ), has great armour break and his arc overload will regen almost 50% of his health keeping you in the game when thw chips are down. He is a great path clearer and he also has amazing synergies in a Thor, Doctor Strange, Iron Man AQ team giving +18% armour and +5% Perfect Block. I know that you only recently duped yours but if you have the resources to R4 I think that you will be pleasantly surprised.
You need to do a video that addresses the Nerfing of many of the Champions that will take place when Version 12.0 is released on March 1, 2017. Many of us who have spent a lot of money on this game are hacked off and you might want to pass on to Kabam that many of us will be stopping our spending on the game. (You wouldn't believe how much that I have spent on the game up to now.) Thor, Phoenix, Scarlet Witch, Star Lord, Dr. Strange, and Ultron are getting massively nerfed and a few champions are being buffed a lot (Abomination, Antman, Hulk, Punisher, Spider-Gwyn).
I am in the same boat (actually, I am in a battlecruiser by comparison). I have spent tons of money purchasing offers to maximize a team with synergies, feeding them all my Sig Stones, etc. I feel ripped off a second time much worse than when they removed Leadership and Perfect block and then also nerfed Willpower. I am a 400K PI user.
So here's why I think nightcrawler should be in the demi-god tier. I have had great success in clearing act 4 and parts of road to the labyrinth with him in a crit team. His extra bleed damage on critical hits is a really good way to burst down enemy's and his dash back can avoid specials that you normally can't like crossbones level 2. Plus if you switch him to swashbuckling mode it allows you to parry much more effectively and his duped ability gives him bonus attack. I know he really shines in alliance war defense but the sheer amount of success I've had with him in other parts of the game make me think he should be demi-god tier.
Hey Seatin! Great list, and a good guide into the champs and their uses. I don't know if you agree, but I think that in this game, the tier list doesn't really matter UNTIL you get to 4 star and above and are far into the game/quests. I feel that if you're still new to the game or are facing against champions that die in less than 30 hits, at this point, the hero tier doesn't make a difference. Perhaps some will have an easier time doing certain things, but if you're a low level or are still using 2 star heroes, i think all champions are viable. Would you say this is true? If so, could you do a list of which heroes are best to a newbie? Also, I would love to a video of each characters and their skills and how best to use them. I, myself have just finished my first month on MCOC! Have been playing frequently, but am still getting to grasp on the skills and how best to utilise them. If you could advise on how to use each character that would be cool.
I feel like SW belongs higher than the good tier. I get that pretty much no one will use her on D because of her offensive prowess; but if she were placed on the increased ability node, I think she would be a pain to deal with. If her health is high enough, she's pretty much guaranteed to put a few stacks of poison on the attacker and that guaranteed damage is a big aspect of what I think makes a solid defender
I think for defence you could promote civil warrior. My reasoning is based around him being placed on a special 1 spamming node. For each level 1 special used he gains 4 armour which gives a (for a 4* 4/40, increases with level) 56% armour and 56% ability reduction. And generally on a special 1 spamming node he will almost always have 4 stacks of armour and often 8 stacks. This isn't accounting for his added stacks gained for blocking. Back to his special 1 it also has a short period after the hit that provides a barrier from the bubble which can be useful. Add in his special damage reduction while blocking, and heal block. He should be promoted.
I agree with this for the most part; however, I think you have to take in consideration other champions that you have. For instance, you NEED a champ with defensive ability reduction so if you don't have bw or cb but do have elektra, then for you elektra is God tier (my case). But if you do have either of those champs then ya, they do the same job and do it better so that bumps elektra down to the amazing tier where you put her. Also I would bump up vision to Demi-God because he is the best power control champ in the game+poison/bleed immune and this makes him exceptionally valuable
Seatin I value a duped iron patriot as an AW defender a lot because at lower levels, not only does he have regent and armor, he has a large power gain as well which none of the others have.
I agree with a lot of this list. However, I do think that Wolverine is on equal footing with WWII and DP Red Suit. I would either put Wolverine in God tier or move the other two into Demi-God tier. Wolverine's regen is amazing and you can do an entire Master's path with him and still end up with near 100% health. His bleed damage is also impressive - especially when DW is at 5.
I think you're re underestimating Hyperion as an attacker. You have to use him first to see how good he really is. In my opinion he is definitely in demigod tier. First I'll talk about his flaw which he has -10 physical resistance, but he easily gets rid of that when he gains 1 cosmic charge which gives him 18.6 physical resistance. Which is so easy because of his power gain. When he has 3 cosmic charges he actually becomes a tank. Also he gets 30% attack increased per charges. And then his heavy attack is crazy you can easily get 3 to 4 stacks of fury from one heavy attack which increases your attack for 40% per stack, and this is based on my duped Hyperion lvl20 which is 3/30 imagine a 5/50 one. His sp2 is also great can armor break and stun.
I'd place Doctor Voodoo on the God tier, I wish I had a duped Voodoo ... what he does is insane Right, arguments xD well, first of all: his regen (every single fight) heals you a lot and clears mistakes you may have made in previous fights. Second: his poison, as you have mentioned. Amazing against optimist, pessimist and other such nodes, but really good in all fights anyway (except immune champs of course). Third: his power drain in sp2. Make it hit once and then all subsequent hits will power drain and power burn.
Hey Seatin, Over the last month or so, I've become a big fan of Netflix Daredevil. Once his armour break stacks above four, he hits like an absolute truck, so maybe he deserves a reconsideration to be bumped up the attacking list?
For attack I would put Hulk into at minimum good tier. He's a very good alternative to the poison immune path in AQ if some of your champs are tied up in war. I use MsMarvel and Ultron in my AW team so I bring him as my backup for AQ and he's very solid. As he gets lower in health which is inevitable, he gets increased attack which helps end fights quickly. I think he's slightly underrated
Agent Venom should be in demigod tier. his passive is amazing. a 60% chance to shrug of any negative buff effect is fantastic even when unduped. and a 50% evade stop when fighting spider man,daredevil,etc. so ponder your next champion list with my argument.
Play with yellow jacket. Use l1 and whenever your opponent uses specials it does 100% of your attack to your opponent. If the charges from the l1 expire when he's duped it stuns the opponent
Spiderman(sym) can be God or at least demigod tier if you know how to use him. His heavy attack has a 100% armor break rate that lasts for 80 secs!!! So you can very easily stack them up especially to kill high defensive champions. And depending on how duped he is, his evade can help in case you timed your heavy attack wrong.
For me personally my 4* duped luke cage is 10x better than any of my other champions I have , his indestructible comes in handy when a 1/2 is used I can take the damage and keep fighting and he takes less damage with his physical resistance but then again it's personal preference 😜
OG VISION should be higher on the list IMO. Synthesis makes for easier handling of MD and other power gain across the map. There is a reason that the binary code at the end of his sig translates to "OP"
You forgot some Champions in the Utility Guide: Bleed Immunity: Ghost Rider Heal Block: Vision Power Lock: Gwenpool (not sure about that but i think with the sp2) :)
Black Panther CW is amazing.Can counter every stun,has imense bleed and the reflective armor absorbs 80% of the damage and uses it against the opponent.
rogue is amazing at least as she can shrug off buffs incredibly quickly and has an incredible buff and life steal (steal wolverine's regeneration and make it so he can't get it back
Black Panther (Civil war) is good for offense at least for a new player because the armor and the reflective state really helps you if you mess up, but hey that's just what i think.
Agree with almost all your list except for Vision, both visions are demi god tier, Storm too, she deals an amazing damage, also black panter classic with deep wounds is wonderful :D
Issue with Rhino is that he needs to be placed on a node with energy resistance, Armor, Adaptive, or Outlast, since his Signature Ability only increases his Physical Resistance. Otherwise, DS and Magneto can take him down
takeru91 Yeah i got some great 3 stars at maxed level. But i got my every 4 star characters to 3/30.And got one Amazing Champion to 4/40.That helps really in Aw and Aq. And great for the rating.
Seatin, War Machine should be higher on the defenders because if he is on a special 1 bias node you can't avoid it and its practically impossible to beat him
On your 'meh' tier, you have Rocket Racoon. I've faced him on the unblockable L2/starts with 2 power bars. And instantly at the start of the fight he L2'ed me. (And I believe the player was running suicides, because it was a 1 hit KO) And this was in tier 2.
One thing I can NOT forgive you for is not putting spidergwen in God tier for defense and offense... You know what, she deserves a new tier. spider Gwen tier.
The only thing I disagree with is that juggs is in 2nd place. because, although I have trouble with him, many people in my alliance are pros at taking juggs.
interesting that you rate GR so highly. i find him to be super frustrating to play with his judgements being random if they stick or not. nothing like being 20+ combos in with 0 judgements on the enemy champ :(
Thanks for doing this. I have a minor disagreement, as I think Agent Venom is a Demi-God. His skill to reduce evade is great against Spidermen, NC, etc. Also, his SP1 is easy to land and does terrific bleed damage. This makes him a great threat to all the major Defenses out there except Ultron. I would Maybe exchange him and crossbones. Crossbones very good, but he is the ultimate glass cannon when he goes into overdrive, and that seems to happen a lot.
Hello Seatin! Great video man, I was wondering should I take 4* Moon Knight unduped or 4* Captain Marvel unduped to rank 3? Also I think symbiote spider-man could be on the demi-god tier for offense. First off his heavy armor breaks are very nice and with the long duration can stack to above 10 which deals some serious damage, he also has really nice crit which combined with the armor break and his high damage can be really insane. His evade isn't the most amazing thing in the world as he's not an aw defender but in can be helpful at time, all the combined with the fact that he doesn't need to be duped to do his serious damage I think could move him up a tier.
Hi seatin great list! I have some suggestions. First i think vision might move to the semi god tier as he have more utility than gamora for exemple. For defense I think miles morales is not a god tier as you just have to don't use special to turn off the evade. I agree with you black panther cw should move to god tier ^^. Great channel wish you all the best
I would argue that Unstoppable should be on God tier for defense. Although, as you said, his moves don't push you back as far as a juggernaut, Unstoppable is still a bleed immune champion which can be beneficial. with a character like Deadpool (red suit) or a wolverine you can chip away at a juggernauts health more easily than unstoppable, and Unstoppable also has armor up which boosts him a little. in addition, I would also demote Iron Patriot because while he does have the regeneration like superior iron man and iron man, he also has armor break applied for the rest of the fight. and besides that he is the worst out of the 3 and is very easy to fight. so I feel he should be moved to meh tier
Id say that Thor(JF) should be in good tier. If she's got a good dupe level she does loads of damage when stunned. Also you could theoretically keep them stunned the whole fight if you go about it the right way by spamming her L1. She gets loads of hate but she's not that bad! She shreds arc overloads. Just saw that Fixit was on the Meh List for defense. Id say he's at least on the good tier. He has that L1 which could mess your day up if you get a heavy bleed stack. Usually i put him on a bleed effectiveness node and he does pretty good. Usually rack up a kill with him if they don't use bleed immune, regen or heavy bleed characters.
I have Quake at 4* 5/50. I believe that her synergies push her over to God tier. Increasing abilities of all champs with hawkeye, increase crit rate with CB, increase abilities and duration of herself and bw w/ bw. Not including increased crit damage cause I'm not a fan of bb and don't have karnak at 4* so can't say if he's good
i'd put loki in at least good, maybe amazing. he constantly refills power bar to sp1 and when you use that special 1 you can steal others boosts. so if you're fighting a wolverine you can not only take away his regen but you can take it for yourself
i personally have a double duped Loki which is amazing in offense, you can steal heals from and Ironman variant, steal buffs from venom in that shortcut in Act 4, steal groot's buffs in AQ. The way to play him is to steal buffs. If you play him right, theres no way you should be dropping below 90% after each fight (because you can heal him)
Hey you ranked Black Widow as a "God" category you play with. However, there is no mention of her in the Alliance Quest (Maps 1-5) in ANY category. Did you simply forgot to put her there? Otherwise, it doesn't sound like that she is a "God" after all :)
elektra should be bumped up a tier i think seaton. even unduped she can bypass things like evade really reliably and if you have deep wounds shes pretty insane! shes so useful in AW offence for spiderman etc. can even stop iron mans regens
I think BpCw would be in the good category in the offense, his lvl 1 bleed is pretty nice, and his reflective armor makes him do more damge when others hit him. Also his lvl 3 stun is pretty nice.
Thank you for the updated list. I only have one "problem" with it. I'm in the middle of the game, not endgame yet. My friends and I are all between 50-100k rating. At that level you simply don't have a lot of awakened champs. I have two, Spider Gwen and Magneto. So not a lot to work with. On the other hand you have to rank up a few champs to 4/40 or you can't progress in the game. What then?
I would sway towards the Brian Grant view of Vision (Age of Ultron). He's almost god tier! Immune to poison and bleed which is enough to make him great in alliance quest and war. He drains power and assuming he's duped, gains power back. thus repeating the cycle of opponent not having any power or not being able to obtain their L3. I do see a downfall with no health gain but good players don't need to worry about that, right? lol This is why I feel Vision is at minimum Demi - God tier.
Seating I think Jane Foster should be higher as I use her in AQ and AW and she just powers right through a lot of champions and you can keep getting shock on the opponent which will give you chance more to stun and that's when she is really Amazing
I am a somewhat newer player, since I've been playing for a little under a year. Many of these characters I hear people rave about seem pretty meh when I finally do get them. I'm assuming its a matter of duplicates to unlock signature abilities that make some of these champions stand out? The main team I use for progressing in the PvE portion of the game are Venompool, Hulk, Scarlett Witch, black panther, and Civil Warrior. Those are the first 3/4 star characters luck bestowed upon me (while the vast majority of my characters are 2*), so they are the strongest ones I have. VenomPool doesn't really do much to stand out, but as the strongest character I have, I find he's pretty good in both easy and normal mode for most things. I do have VenomPool's signature ability unlocked and its not bad, although not leveled very high right now. He gets random buffs. Hulk, my 2nd strongest character, has been stun locking bosses a lot since the last patch.
I would move BPCW to God tier just because he's so irritating. Also, I would move Cyclops NXS to amazing. I find that he's a great widow-killer on Infinity Blast / Thorns. While many know how to fight him, if you fail to time the evade correctly, your widow is squashed.
hey seatin with all the Loki chatter I think next " champ of the day " may be a good idea perhaps a maestro take down in fact I challenge you to make a video of this and if you can put him down with Loki he should be bumped up a teir or two
Colossus dominates on thorns, Hulk on an L3 (he should go up a tier), Thor is good on a every 6 hit stuns if your enemie can't play perfectly Hulk has a huge advantage as an offensiv champion because you don't have to heal him up any more than just with the rewives (he should go up a tier)
You put too much emphasis on attack power. No way Rocket is ahead of Vision. Bleed and Posion immune, and complete power control. Also Magik should be higher
Seatin, why do you feel marvel is only amazing not Demi god tier? Between the energy absorb, perfect block synergy and hits incredibly hard all the time I find her one of best champions to use at all times.. most people over look her.. please share your thoughts.. thank you!
Hey seatin, I found a glitch with gwenpool. If you defeat your opponent with her bleed or incinerate and stay blocked while their knocked out. It does her victory outro but holding the collector plush in her hand.
I am in a tier 1 alliance. We scored 32 in alliance quest incalculable. How do you not have Mordo as a God tier defender? Degeneration, regeneration, astral projection stun, our game and especially with mystic dispersion equals God
Mordo should be at least demi god on offense and defense. Mine is always a mini boss in the middle and he always get at least 10 kills. and on offense his fury stacks are insane, power gain, and regen after 3rd special along with 3 more fury stacks. he hits almost as hard as thor with armor break with those fury stacks
