I was a cos11 guy who pretty much will be getting w.lav prod in the future from now on. Easy to hide, sounds amazing, and rustle with the cos11 is much more prominant. Love the review and glad I'm not the only one who sees the potential in the w.lav pro
I also have 2 COS-11 and recently bought 3 Deity Lav Pro. Excellent mic for the price!!! They`re same thickness as COS-11, and I can use alegators and wind grills from COS-11 on my Deity Lav-pro when I need news stile for some resons. And for film they`re easier to hide because cable is thinner then COS-11
I think the COS-11 still sounds best to my ears here...great clarity but still warm enough. W.Lav Pro sounds surprisingly good even kinda close the DPA..really impressed! That CMIT at the end though...just perfect.
The CMIT is such a nice mic. It has a really forgiving pickup pattern regarding the way it ‘falls off’. You can often get 3 people with it no problem using just some subtle cuing.
SUPER HELPFUL REVIEW!! For your voice I do prefer in no particular order DPA 6060, Countryman B6 and Deity W.Lav Pro. Sanken didn't do it for me. The Deity W.Lav Pro was actually my preferred sound. Thanks so much.
Very helpful. Building out a minimal documentary film kit for when I'm solo without an audio person and this was just the video I needed. Thanks for putting it together and sharing!
Note of warning: the 21 (the DPA adapter shown at 2:45) is not the right one for current Lectro transmitters. The DAD3021 is the right one for "UM400" or earlier txs. From "UM400a" onwards ("servo bias input" txs like the SM, SMD, etc) the DAD3056 is the right one to use. (Larry FIsher, from Lectro, dixit).
I'm listening avidly to this review with earbuds in my ears as instructed, and was half way through before it occurred to me that as a retired engineer, and 72 years old, I have bugger all hearing above 10kHz, and precious little even above 8kHz. As such, I actually preferred the Countryman, and didn't like the boom mic at all! Oh well. At least I don't need to waste megabucks on high end HiFi, because it would be entirely wasted on me.
So far I'm most impressed with the TR50. Edit: I closed my eyes near the end and just listened, and every time it was the TR50 that made me pay attention as well as the Schoeps CMIT5U.
Benefit if dude address Tram is you can face it backwards but mount the windscreen per usual. Doing both of those things really helps fight wind noise when using unhidden.
I was looking into w.lav mics a while back, but was persuaded away by reddit. You actually owning 10+ COS-11d's and vouching for the w.lav is the strongest endorsement :)
The Cos11 feels more robust (thicker cable), and is still my go-to Lav mic. But I was impressed with the sound and size of the W.Lavs. I haven't had them long enough to comment on how they hold up long-term.
Wow, one of the best mic videos I've found on YT. Just what I have been looking for. I just bought a Hollyland Lark 150 and was looking to upgrade the mics, and your video has really helped. Thanks, man.
I've used a Sony ECM-77B pretty much my whole career (31 years as of this writing). It's been an industry standard at least in broadcast, not sure about film or corporate (but I've always loved it). I don't hear too much about it these days, with the Sanken COS-11D pretty much being the industry darling now. I'm wondering how people feel about the 77 compared to the Sanken.
@@Midash2k I used the ECM77 from 1985 for about a decade and loved it. But on a lark I asked my boss to get me a Tram TR50. I never looked back. I don't appreciate the strain relief on the Tram - if a reporter twisted the cable around on the clip and I figured the 'lifetime' of my TR50 was around 5-ish years. I still think for getting sharp clean audio for TV News, nothing beats the higher end punch from the TR50.
Absolute legend. This was the exact video I was looking for, needed microphones that could be easily hidden with high quality around the studio. The cos11d and countrymen both seem very appealing, can we use these with the wireless transmitters from DGI and Road? Cheers
For me minimal rustle and hiding is the most important factors. The B6 is lacking in the highs but they are appearing really cheap on the second hand market right now.
Thanks for the compliments. Always trying to take the production level up a bit - without getting too overwhelmed. Newfound respect for camera, lighting and post departments!
Wow, the w.lav pro sounds really close to the dpa (my winner here), just a pinch more noise and less brightness, but for the price is quite amazing actually!
Tram has the best sound. The sound comes out so clear. Without seeing which mic was being used when you switched mics, the Tram stood out as the clearest to me.
Thanks for the comparison! Yeah TR-50 is not bad. It was my first mic I bought over the ME2. It sounds good, but a bit more selfnoise than the 4060's I go to normally. Good to hear that they seem to have addressed the Lectro microdot issue they had before.
@@jomymatthews early reviews showed that it was hissy. Not sure how to see it, but I guess you can try it vs YPA or orginal DPA adapter to see if you have a solid exemplar
Great to see a new video sir. I'm glad you are looking at different price points. I myself own the Diety Lav Pro and I kind of fell into the same boat where Covid didn't allow me to use it a lot. I don't know if it's my units but I don't really know if my sound quality is as good as the ones you have. Again, I should do more tests. This is also the first time I've used microdot and I've noticed that sometimes the threads can turn on the connector when the talent is wearing them. I don't know if you have this problem. But good to see you again.
Nice presentation thank you for putting it together. I was hoping for an MKE2 sample to hear how they hold up. We all hear things in our own way. I thought the Countryman sounded natural like an actual person a few feet away.
its interesting what you said about the countryman as there are a few people who use that for just picking up exhaust sounds on a car with it mounted outside of the car, because it can pick up the higher DB levels.
@@HubLocationSound actually I've seen some stuck in between the panels because how small they are without windshields 🤷 but I think they are pretty clean for what they are
Really excellent and 100% fair comparison. It cracks me up that you're wired up with 6 lavs at once, lol. That some mad scientist shit right there. But, as a now working sound guy, I'm getting out of the prosumer range and more into investing in pro level gear. My Sennheiser G3s are suiting my needs just fine for now, but I want to upgrade the lavs asap. Perfect video for that tough decision. I LOVE the Sanken the most and is leading the pack for me. I think the Tram is excellent, too, and may grab one or two in the future. But, thinking about budget and having to buy two (one for each wireless pack), I'm really leaning towards the Diety mics. I think they're excellent quality. I preferred the warmth and almost a "tube-like" presence out of the Sanken (in my opinion, anyway), but the closest to that for me was either Diety. Thanks for the video and also for turning me onto Trew Audio. Wow! They have it all! Whatever I purchase, I'll definitely use your links. Thanks, Jim!
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whoa the tram tr50 sounds amazing! Pretty bright but for me that is a good thing since effects like reverb removal etc. dampen the sound too
Hi Brian, thank you for your comment. I'm looking to get my first lav mic as a backup audio for interviews, and as a primary audio for recording in untreated rooms/outdoors. I'd like to know your opinion between the COS11 and TR50, because I've been hesitating between the both of them recently. Thank you.
It's the lav and distance but mainly it should be about the bit rate and KHz so you can have tons of flexibility in post to bring up the lowest and super high clipped audio files back to normal levels.
Agreed on the TR-50 but flatter mic can be equalized to match. regarding the deity micro I read that it starts hissing when sweat makes its way in the capsule.
Thank you for this video. Just doing some pre-production on sound for my first feature. Thinking of going with two Deity Pro. Will check out your other videos. Thanks again.
I dont mean to be so off topic but does anyone know a way to log back into an instagram account? I stupidly forgot the login password. I love any tips you can give me.
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Funny... I actually have received spec sheets indicating a preference for Lavs (on certain shows where they're trying to match deliverables from several crews). If I didn't have their preferred mics, would they notice? Who knows!
to me 3 were noisy comparatively.. Sanken and countryman are the noisiest, more than dpa and deity. Thanks for that. I wonder if diety has a head set for stage?
I do own some TR50s. They're pretty good for heavy clothing layers and dark sounding voices. Overall they're great, just be mindful some PFX sounds will be a bit too bright and crunchy.
Thanks for making this, it's a great video and comparison. Would love to see how you handle micing someone for an exercise video. I had to do that myself and although we pulled it off, I'd really like to see how a pro does it. Thanks.
I recommend head-worn mics (like the DPA 4066 or 4166) for exercise if production doesn't mind it being seen. It's just going to get you the best coverage and signal to noise (as it's so close to their lips - also helps with bleed from background noise/music playback). Lavs are tough (coverage-wise) especially if they're contorting or rolling around on the floor.
Dude, awesome video!! Your subscriber count will definitely skyrocket as time goes on...the content is too good for it not to skyrocket. I really like your branding, and the audio sting that you selected. It works great. If you haven't done so already (and I'm about to search your channel) I'm very interested in seeing what you do in post-production. It would be cool to see how you go about treating the audio with the EQ & Compressor. To see how you go about creating a pleasant dialogue. The icing on the cake would be if it's done in Premiere Pro......but, beggars can't be choosers. ha Take care, Jim!
Love your videos, straight to the point and super helpful! I just subscribed, looking forward to more videos. I think I may go with the COSD 11 or the Deity. I'm unfamiliar with the recorders in this area. I'm used to recorders like the zoom h1, or Zoom F1-LP. (3.5mm recorders). Would love a video breaking down some of the recorders you use and maybe some budget options? Again, love the channel!
Have you done a video on the best transmitters to pair these mics with? If not can you do one on the best transmitters and or how to properly pair a mic to a transmitter?
Hi Jim, enjoyed your video - a very clear and practical comparison of these mics. I come from the classical recording side of audio but am slowly getting into film/video audio. Just wondered, do you have any experience with the DPA necklace mic, say compared to the 6060 lav? Appreciate it´s a somewhat different approach to micing up speech. The necklace is absolutely not concealed but rather thought of as jewelry (!) I find it quite good, especially when you can get the capsule to actually be in contact with the skin. Then it´s pretty much right over the vocal chords I guess! Visually my experience is that women are more comfortable about using this, understandably.
This was very helpful. Thank you. Do you have any videos about how to hide lave mics and the accessories you would need for this? Would you recommend any of these mics over any of the others when it comes to clothing noise?
Man this is really helpful. I have been using a tascam DR10L for filming weddings. But now that I’m doing higher end commercial brand projects, I realized I NEED to be monitoring the audio during the shoot. So I have a mountain of stuff to learn. Is there any way I can pay you like $50 to have a zoom call so you can help me understand the basics of this? Maybe like a 12 minute zoom call?
Yeah, the Tram is brighter in this comparison. I think that's why it seems like the best for some people. Only downsides to the Tram is: size (it's capsule is larger than the others and the cable is among the thickest) and it's side address (which isn't a big deal, maybe slightly awkward regarding placement).
Hi All, can anyone assist me with the Cos-11? I am trying to purchase one for my Tentacle Track E but I am unsure which connection to buy. Anyone have any advice?
Hey Jim, what were your lav’s Connected to? Hardlined or a specific wireless transmitter? PS. I don’t think a B6 has been on Broadway in ten years. We tend to be DPA or Sennheiser. But, You should also look at Point Source Audio for another low cost lav, it’s getting more popular in theater.
Ken Goodwin I had 3 of them on Lectrosonics packs (B6 and the Diety’s) the others were hardwired using Ambient Eumels. Everything was going into a Sound Devices 688. I will keep an eye for Point Source mics. Not familiar with them.
Sure SM93 is in my opinion how much more cost effective option that sounds amazing. The cost of these ones seems a little bit crazy when you compare the quality. The 93 comes with a bunch of accessories also… Please try in and tell me why Im wrong…? Im open minded
@@HubLocationSound did you ever get to test it out next to anything? I’ve been very pleased with it so far. You can still get one for like 75 bucks. And I have plenty of $500 microphones.
As someone who would like to upgrade my sound production for lav circumstances, this video is fantastic. Thank you! (By the way, to my untrained ear, I was really impressed by the sound of the W.lav Micro, although the presence of the TR50 is also very interesting... What are your overall summary assessments?)
I’m having a hard time embracing the DPAs (and I now have 4). I think because they’re a more “detailed” mic, I hear more details that I don’t want to hear. Like... I feel hyper aware of clothing noise and just general background noise with the 6060’s. It doesn’t really seem to be an EQ thing either (I thought maybe they were just brighter compared to my go-to COS11D). But if I had to compare it to large diaphragm Studio Mics... it’s akin to the difference between recording a singer on the Shure SM7B (dynamic mic) versus tracking vocals on a Neumann U87 (condensor mic). They both sound “good” but the U87 picks up so much more detail in the voice (spit, fry, lips). What’s forgiving about the SM7B (on some vocalists) is that it doesn’t pick up as much detail resulting in a smoother capture. Since this video, I still find myself reaching for the COS11D. The Deity’s were a pleasant surprise to me as well.
Great video! Really informative and funny dude :) I've got some B6s that seem to have way higher noise floor than what was in your video. A blue band low-sensitivity one and normal. Compared to some Sony ECM88s and Sanken Cos11s I have, they sound almost like knock-offs... Decent quality audio, but such a high noise floor! Have I just bought some knock-offs or is this something that can be sorted?
Thanks, Max! Low/Reduced sensitivity mics inherently have a higher noise floor (self-noise/hiss). That's the trade-off, unfortunately. The B6 shown here was a normal sensitivity version.
