Thank you for this. I’m one of your non “geek” viewers. I’ve only owned Windows and MacOS machines. I watched because I thought Framework laptop was only a Windows machine and kept watching because you explained Linux and it’s “distros” in an interesting way even I could follow along with. I saved this video as reference material for both Framework and Linux.
Yeah. never ever listen to the LINUX DISTRO ELITIST as they can be a little bit harsh and intimidating. they a few of them in on YT. i wont tell who they are but do ur best to avoid them. just follow what this kind-hearted mr had suggest and take it ez. do at ur own pace.
Thank you. This is exactly what I, a definite future customer of Framework and Linux user, was looking for. I seem to recall the CEO of Frameworks saying that a couple of development models were sent to the core maintainers of Arch Linux. Can't wait for those people to get this working.
As a Linux enthusiast, I have to thank you for all of the hard work you put in for this video! It’s really amazing to see you show Linux distros to the general public as a proper OS rather than a ‘hacker’ thing. You’re doing great work!
I'm actually speechless that power management on Linux is exactly where it was 10 years ago. It's like I never left. If you want better than windows battery life you need a minimal arch install with powertop and the most important part, properly enabled hardware acceleration. I did the same test on one of my backup laptops and arch beat out windows by a good 5%.
In other words, you need to tweak it yourself. Nope, not gonna happen. I shouldn't need to, so I demand it improve. I think, given the prevalence of laptops and tablets, this is unacceptable and inexcusable. Red Hat's trying to hire some HDR developers, but I think they need to prioritize power draw first.
@@MrGamelover23 Lol, stop freaking out, I have a minimal arch install with just tlp installed and battery life is no different than it was with windows 10, there is also cou frequency scaling you can do.
@@MrGamelover23 god damn dude your comment would be fine if it wasn't for the "I demand it improve". Ok? let use know when you're someone who matters. Also the "how dare they make it so I need to tweak it myself" you just bought an entire laptop that you have to tweak yourself. Linux should get better, but so should your attitude because this is peak cringe.
I've been running Ubuntu on my 10 year old laptop for a year or two, and I've been using Ubuntu on and off since 2012, and I love it. It's always amazing to me that something as complicated as a complete operating system can be had with no ads and a good level of respect for your privacy for free.
And yet, think of it: PCs are useless without an OS. An operating system should get out of the way and be hardly noticeable (basically just there to run apps) I'm glad you're on linux, but I don't think you really grok it. There should be no surprise. The shock is that operating systems became anything other than free. You wouldn't be surprised that a keyboard comes with a laptop, right? Is it surprising your keyboard comes without ads?
An informative video. Thank you. BTW. It's worth pointing out that the Framework Laptop was only released this summer. Thus, I'd expect that all of its components should enjoy OOTB support upon the next LTS release of more GNU/Linux distros.
Thank you for helping with the finger print reader... honestly, I looked EVERYWHERE and couldn't find the help I needed. And it was done the absolute easiest way possible...
I'm so happy Fedora worked so well! I already use it as my only OS and I have been looking into purchasing a Framework laptop, so this video was very useful, thanks a bunch!
It might not be "made for linux" BUT it is one of the only laptops that cuts out the price of Windows if you decide to order it without an operating system. Would also be interesting to see how a distro targeted at efficiency would perform in terms of battery life; something like LUbuntu or a barebones Arch install.
battery life on Linux isn't bad due to the efficiency of the distro it's bad across the board due to no distro enabling hibernation by default. this mean even when the laptop is asleep everything is turned off or in power saving mode except the ram. and if you do enable hibernation by default you have to partition an amount of storage that is equivalent to the max capacity of your ram and can't be used for anything else. but considering most tasks on a laptop don't require more than 16gb of ram and battery life i very important it really should be enabled by default or at least have an option to enable it in the install wizard.
Just discovered your page. Great review for newbies. Timing is great for me. I am getting ready to order a Framework laptop and planning on using Ubuntu. So will be anxious to see your review on Ubuntu in a few days. Also will check out more of your work. First impressions of your work is very good.
Thank you.. I actually daily drive Pop Os both 20.04 and 21.04. that's what brought me over. Cause when I need a new laptop im really looking at framework now.. was planning on system 76. But I like the direction framework is going. Great information great video. So now you got a new subscriber.
I love how you aren't being too conventional and making an identity for yourself, I really like it. I'm have been a Linux user for 2 years. I started with Mint, then went to elementary, then to Ubuntu, then to Manjaro. I'm currently on Manjaro. I can handle a little terminal stuff, but I'm largely inexperienced. In fact I think I messed up the OS after mistyping a boot script. I had to reinstall the whole thing. I'm wondering where I can learn more about Linux, like is there some course I can take or some free resource online.
When it comes to linux, it can "break" but with some experience, a wiki and around 15 minutes, bringing a computer back to life is one of the greatest things to ever feel.
I like the wide range of how technical your various videos are. Your DIY projects seem pretty advanced to me, as a non-hardware person, and I like that you have some newbie-friendly software stuff too
Pop!'s hardware enablement program makes it probably the best debian based option for such new hardware. I'd bet you get a better ubuntu-like experience on pop and the you do on base ubuntu because of this actually, though less so in 21.10 than the LTS.
If I am correct, at the begging of the video you sad that the framework is not open source but they recently made that open source as well so that also a huge plus, great video, love to see where this is going
Hey man. I have a pretty recent laptop and it is always a trouble to get things working on those. The approach for this video is excellent- I love the "it just works" bulletpoints. As a software developer, I know my way around linux but sometimes I just don't have the time to deal with issues on my OS. I will give fedora a go. Keep it up.
This is great, but just FYI, the elementary os developers did make a post on the framework forums explaining how to get everything working. I'm interested in trying pop os, though, if it uses Wayland.
My personal experience with different distros, over the past week, has been a ride. I am running the Dell XPS 9710 / 17 with plenty of everything. Long time Windows and MacOS user. I did fumble around, in the past, with different distributions like Fedora, Kbuntu, RedHat and the kids on the block are intriguing. I started with Fedora35 because I knew Ubuntu would run as Dell delivers their systems with this version, maybe not 21.10 but hey, gotta drive the latest and greatest. I loved the zen of Manjaro, a distro used at my work by the developers. It has a lot going for it I find. Long story short I erased Windows 11 and am now running Ubuntu 21.10. This is not going to be a forever distro but it runs super stable. Installed the latest nVidia drivers (495) and had a hard time getting bluetooth headsets that are not the average logitech and such to work (I have beats solo 3 because my history with MacOS). Bluetooth is somewhat of a different animal as the range is not very good, even sitting at my desk the bluetooth keeps cutting out so I am on the hunt for a solution.
Fedora 35 works well with nvidia already, 36 will bring it to wayland. Fedora devs actually worked directly with nvidia, wayland devs and upstream Linux devs to make it all work. But you might have to wait a bit for that to carry over to other distros.
For the Manjaro part, KDE is the default. And as for a UI for finger prints, Gnome has had this for at least the 18 months I've used it on Manjaro. You picked the light weight XFCE. But it is what it is. :D
Ventoy completely tosses out the need to re-format the USB installation media over and over again, because you can just shove ISOs onto it and expect functionality with most of the popular distros. Works for specific-purpose Linux-based tools and Windows installation media as well! A real handy bit of USB software that makes distro-hopping that much easier for the Linux newbie.
I actually believe framework WOULD offer schematics of their mainboards to certified repair shops. May not be open source but close enough to be extremely excited to order mine!
Yeah, getting the wifi working on Zorin involves moving or renaming what I believe to be a driver file. It works fine after a reboot with that, but an update may force you to fix it again, so I'd recommend saving the command to a file somewhere for safekeeping.
Nice ! A little disheartened to see the discrepancy in the power consumption compared to windows. Having 5/6 hrs vs. 3 hrs of usage from a full charge is a vastly different user experience.
@@joaopauloalbq Also, the Intel WiFi driver just doesn't sleep as well (by default) under Linux than it does in Windows (because it runs in high power mode all of the time). This can be tweaked with.... potential side effects, but it's part of it for sure and the default is not optimized for battery life for sure.
A better way to get multiboot would likely be install bootloader & os to each storage device independently and use the uefi boot menu to choose which storage device.
I hope you'll do this one again later after Framework gets an AMD CPU option and again if they ever have an ARM laptop. I'm a Mac maniac, with a fondness for Raspberry PIs, but were I to get a non-Mac Laptop, it would be a Framework, preferably with an AMD CPU and good graphics capability (preferably something that would give me hardware acceleration for PyTorch, Blender and the occasional game).
Framework's repair-ability and upgradability is exactly the opposite direction that Apple has been going. Frankly I think you're probably already trapped with Apple's environment (probably the Apple Store) If you haven't escaped already I have little hope for you, it's waste of time to wait for AMD (if it even ever happens)
@@imtiredtoday I recently bought a mini pc with AMD Ryzen 9 5900hx and Im running PopOS and this chip is a beast on Linux ! One thing to note: never buy a Linux laptop with Nvidia card. Nvidia just sucks your battery within 3h. Instead stick with a integrated card or use Radeon.
@@Aemulatius I know, even on windows it sucks.... (I have a laptop with a GTX 1050 ti and a battery life of about 3 hours...) So I am aware of Terrible battery life on battery... (I will use the laptop until it falls apart and I don't have Linux on it as of right now (since I need to use Adobe programs on the device for school...)).
Fedora for the win! Fedora just keeps getting better and better, faster than other distros! And the core ethos is just far superior than canonical :)))
Excellent Video. Love the content so far. I agree with Fedora even though I run PopOS because its so solid. I daily drove Fedora for a month so I'm doing Pop for hte same. I daily drove Ubuntu for quite some time but I haven't now for at least a year. Maybe when 22.04 comes out I will but we will see.
Best is a relative term. I use Mint 32 bit and 64 bit, mostly to repurpose older laptops and pc's. It is a personal choice on what distro a person wants. To date Mint has worked on my older machines and newer machines just fine and I also use the Steam OS for gaming on newer machines and integrates just fine with my Steam account. I usually use hardware 2 to 3 generations back. I do not need the latest and greatest crap to run what I need and want. I have dumped windows for about a year now. It just works.
You should have gone for a KDE variant of either Manjaro or elementaryos to get a more broader test score and to see how/show off display scaling/etc is in KDE.
I was also hoping there would be at least one distro with KDE Plasma there, but it does makes sense to go with the defaults for the sake of making comparisons from the perspective of a new user. Plasma just isn't a very common default.
@@ElevatedSystems Exciting to hear that there will be a second episode! Feren OS is also a good one that could be worth looking at. It's kinda like the Plasma equivalent of Zorin. Either way, I look forward to your next upload! :^)
I literally waited for this video, on the other hand though does someone know a reliable reshipping company so that people in the EU can get their hands on a framework laptop?
Framework said they will make it available in the EU by the end of the year. So if you're not in a hurry, you might just wait these 2 (maybe 3) months.
I appreciate the hard work you put into your videos. When I started using linux back in 2017 I found that Mint OS always worked out of box for my new desktop or 11 year old laptop. Hope you will find some time to review Mint on framework laptop.
A bit disappointed the battery life is still seemingly much worse in Linux compared to Windows. I'd hoped this would have improved over the last few years. Great video though!
@@fooboomoo perhaps the 16 inch will have hardware more compatible with Linux (as far as I can tell the biggest issue is the fingerprint reader currently).
This is very helpful but one important thing you missed is fractional scaling of the display. Which distro supported this the best? Look how huge everything is on 2x…
Some of the distros I tested don't have fractional scaling enabled so I didn't want to add one more "technicality" to the mix and scare away potential Linux converts. The goal was bieng able to see what you were doing in the screen. I'll go deeper into scale with my Ubuntu video.
I can't speak for every distro, but on Zorin you have to enable fractional scaling, and then it introduces screen tearing with any motion on screen. It does correctly size things though. My preferred fix for that is modifying text scaling and manually setting the height of the taskbar a little bigger, so that fractional scaling isn't really necessary.
Lucky you could use a wired connection. I have a desktop computer and I had to reinstall Windows on it FML the Wi-Fi driver or should I say ethernet driver wasn't working and that's the most important one because it allows you to get all the other drivers. Luckily I have a cell phone and a USB cable. Fun fact There is a way to use a laptop as a Wi-Fi device for a desktop or other computer. So you plug the ethernet cable into the laptop and the other computer and then when you set it up it allows the other computer to act as if it has an internet connection.
I have Linux Mint 20.2 on this desktop computer i have a i9 10850k 32 gigs of ram at 3600 mhz a rx 5700xt and a z490 motherboard with wifi 6 and bluetooth 5.1 all works out of the box fantastic.
good video,fedora is really solid,very concrete,and good for users that want software thats up to date so they dont have to wait too long,but don't want to take any risks with their system.
Cj, thank you for the content and doing what you do! Stumbled upon your channel and I’m glad I did. I’m trying to learn more about the tech world and I’m a noob. Can you briefly explain your background in tech and where you gained your knowledge? And what paths you would recommend to get up to speed on the basics? Thank you!
I'm a fairly experienced Linux user, but I'm still looking here for a double check before I get my framework. While I can probably fix most issues I don't want to have to.
Awesome. I'd currently favor Fedora, anyway, due to its relation to RHEL -- but I like Debian based stuff, too, especially for it being supported by Citrix Workstation in 32 bit arch (and 64 bit by now I hope) for ARM (to use with Raspbian and potentially in a VM on Apple Silicon machine).
if people are wanting to use Manjaro for the framework laptop i would recommend either gnome or kde plasma as they both have built in finger print sensors.
I agree with you that framework is not designed for open source & linux like, for example, system 76. However, they do have a great attitude toward opensource. In particular, they have released EC firmware which would allow deep customizations. However, the bios is properitory and framework is not officially compatible with coreboot yet. on the hardware side, they do not strictly open source their board design but they have released the functional diagram and schematics. and they promised to give layout on request for repair purposes which is also good enough for other purposes imo.
For the record! You can get Schematics! They're available for repair shops like Louis Rossmann, which means they're probably on the internet somewhere lol.
Ok video, showing how to move around and how thing works in Framework laptop which I'm interested too, but about fprint reader and logging into Desktop Environment is something I would say more, just like when you log in to DE you're using DM (display manager) and for example in manjaro which use XFCE it uses LighDM and this thing about login with fingerprint it's not in manjaro but in LightDM.
I’m a college student for aerospace engineering, I have to be able to run MatLab/Octave and do other college student things (like type documents) I want a balance of performance and ease of use, and I am considering between Pop and Fedora Or Arch (for the performance) Exactly how cumbersome is it to get everything working on arch? And any recommendations about Pop vs Fedora?
Additionally to the other comment, if you dont care about troubleshooting and you are mainly doing this to learn linux, arch can be a decent choice. Its a blow to the face the first time trying to install it since you might know next to nothing, but you will learn by experience (and pain). You are basically forced to learn linux if you want to install arch. But if your in it for the learning experience it might just be for you. If you just want a working system out of the box, please do not try to install arch, it will just be a source of fustration
I always liked Fedora... Cause it just seems they put the work they do upstream to the project and provide a vanilla cutting edge expirience. Ubuntu put work in things they shouldn't do... and they have a history on died projects (unity, ubuntu touch,...). But they put desktop Linux to the masses... back then.
6:20 This issue is only with the grub bootloader, if you use Pop!_OS you will not have this problem. You can also fix this in arch by using a grub alternative.
13:30 this implies that you somehow can figure out where your finger is or you're constantly looking at your fingers. I use the double finger click on Windows because I don't know exactly where my fingers are on the track pad and so if I tried to do a one finger click I end up right clicking because I didn't realize where I was and it gets annoying.
I think I will likely go Fedora. I'm a network engineer and I've found a lot of rpm based stuff in networking environments. I'm pretty comfortable just updating the WiFi and fingerprint driver
I've done many benchmark for my workload (scientific simulation like cfd) between fedora, manjaro and endeavors (all were kde) and definitely when it came to that workload, fedora was faster but manajro and endeavors did have runs that were fast. Once fedora updated to the same kernel, it was gg. Fedora is surprisingly good. If I do get a framework laptop and use linux on it...I'd use fedora now!
Dang those multi core scores 😮. Sad to see Fedora where’s its at. I assume Ubuntu would have worked out of the box too. It and Fedora are the two fully supported OS.
Garuda kde please, also thank you for the amazing video, very educational and helps a lot, non expert linux like me to have some kind of perspective , Linux aint that hard as people tend to tell others, i believed those in the past, and tried linux half hearted, and never bothered with it again, but just gave it a tey recently and even with terminal things its very easy specially when you have so much already documented on communities and forums, well not very beginners(windows and mac) users friendly, but for those who really want to give a try and learn it, its very straightforward, just follow instructions and do some research in case its needed,most things already work out of the box these days.
Do you think prior experience with with comouters help you pick up Arch Linux quick? Because I spent a small amount of time on PeppermintOS then after something broke I jumped to EndeavourOS immediately & installed GUI's for installing programs. I had to fix some stuff but my windows 10 laptop broke significantly more; & the process of fixing stuff didn't feel much different to watching a tutorial on RU-vid with someone using on screen text instead of talking 🤔 Main difference is, I feel a lot more inclined to backup my computer 😅 Which honestly is a good thing Main complaint I got is not specific to arch but linux; & the issue is some apps just aren't built for linux or with linux in mind; as well as games.... *and then getting around anti cheat, feels like I'm taking a college course.*
I think with Manjaro you should have tried the KDE Plasma version as it is the most used one and also to show how would a Plasma Desktop work with the Framework.
I am currently using Fedora Linux and I am an engineering college student. The 5% power draw while asleep is a huge hindrance to my quality of life using the Framework Laptop. Has someone found a fix for this? Is the machine simply not going into S0ix sleep? Can I implement it?
Awesome video! I am curious whether any other Distro has a suspend power draw that comes closer to what you get with Windows. I was thinking of going with something like Ubuntu instead of Windows when I finally get my Framework. However the increased power draw really puts me off currently.
Wow this was really nice. I'm installing endeavor on my rig right now actually. I feel like I'll prefer it over arch thanks to it's easy installer I have to ask you something. Are there any linux utilities to automatically change battery profiles of a laptop when it's on battery? I used to use auto-cpufreq but idk if that is still a good solution.
