I think I may have a more apt description for Kreia perhaps: She isn’t a grey Jedi, she’s a grey Sith. Like how a grey Jedi like Jolee believes in a general good without adhering to structure or creed, Kreia believes in power without believing in the benefit of wanton violence. She still believes in the core belief of the Sith, power and the results thereof, but doesn’t believe in the actual methodology and tenets of the Sith.
Exactly. Both Jolee and Kreia are opposites. Both believe in the core values of the sides they are on, but completely disagree and in some ways hate the people and the structure of the organisations.
"There are as many interpetations of the sith code as there are sith." is one of my favourite lines from swtor since it tacitly acknowledges how disparate all the different versions of the sith end up being, from naga sadow to krayt despite supposedly all sharing a code.
That's why I really vibed more with the Sith yet the ironic wanton violence is HOW YOU DIE. You get whole armies and feed on the hatred which then reaches an Apex where you gotta go since balance shifted too much. Power is nice yet using power to give people reasons to kill you are stupid.
I said it once and I'll say it again I'd probably hate Atris' guts if I knew her IRL, but she's one of my favorite KOTOR characters. Just the right pinch of melodrama, bitterness, regret, self-righteousness, Kreia's manipulation and complicated past with the Exile to create a complicated character you could discuss and write about. Her fall is such an interesting process, and she has so much potential for redemption. Darth Sion is my second favorite of this game, a broken man held together by what he says is hatred and pain, but really it's the fear of death.
Characters that are made to be hated, and are successful, are interesting in fiction. In real _life_ they fucking blow and you wouldn't want to be within a hundred miles of them.
This game still amazes me. Even after playing it over and over, the plot twists still get me because they are so subtle that I forget them. Like when Handmaiden points out that Atris isn't at the council meeting and Kreia says of course she isn't, it still takes me a minute to put the pieces together and exclaim "Oh, you bitch!!!" Lol
Fun fact: Kreia was probably Revan’s master that he went to when seeking a way to leave the order. (Also she might be Handmaiden’s mother but that’s more of a fan theory)
Honestly- I don't care what the writers intended/did not intend. The Kae is Kreia theory adds so much to her character which is already amazing even if you ignore the theory.
7:00 Technically Woolie's logic was sound, the problem was his method lead to counting the First member of the circle TWICE. If it was an uneven number, with one person having no one across from them, his method would have reasonably worked.
It's more like he discounted the 6th when he counted around. Which would be fine, as long as he also remembered not to count the 16th. Just applied 2 different methods to each half of the circle. Either method would have led to the right answer on their own, but doing both is what tripped him up. lol
I fucking hate bioware so much They where so salty over how the plot of kotor 2 was better than their crap that they spitefully went out of their way to destroy and undo all of its plot and humiliate its characters Out of nothing but spite. They have always been talentless hacks when it comes to their stories.
@@Maioly I'd say that's a bit much, jade empire .etc are still classics. Humiliated isn't what I'd put it, the Exile explicitly comes closer than anyone before to killing the emperor, essentially instigating the entire shift in mental state that leads to an empire that only hears the emperor speak every few decades and his obsession with immortality. Exile comes back in a pretty big moment last expansion too, and I got a kick out of her actually running the "pay me" playthrough just bribing her way around with a big bag of diamonds in the book. lol
@@DatAsuna they still treat the kotor 2 characters like absolute trash and go out of their way to undo or otherwise ignore all of its developments. And gameplay wise their classic games are good writing wise they are not.
@@Maioly Much as I like ME1 and Jade Empire I wouldn't put gameplay top of the stack. It's their stories and characters that stand out as fond memories overall. Onderon and Dantooine are shown in fun and interesting ways that stay true to kreia's prophecy too, manda'lor Lok and Vizla keep the mandos strong and bring in some elements of jaster mereel's mandos to go with canderous' more collectivist stance.
@@DatAsuna Have you replayed Jade Empire recently? I have. I LOVED that game. I beat it so many times. Replaying I cannot begin to describe how shitty it is and how badly it holds up. I hate Jade Empire now. The plot is terrible and cliche, the twists obvious, the characters dull and the gameplay is a chore at the best of times.
There originally was gonna be a blazblue style "Echo 1, action" for every echo, but I axed it when the video was split into 2 parts. A- continuity became a lot weaker when it's split between multiple videos, B- the bit got a lot less funny after the first dozen times. C- rerendering that after effects file every time was slowing things down a lot. lol
I saw someone describe her as a Grey Sith and, honestly, I can't help but think it fits. Viewing her that way adds a whole new way to look at things and it provides an even better parallel between you and Kreia in game if you play as a Grey Jedi, and I can't help but think that fucking rocks.
This choice isn't arguable at all!... Mainly because anyone arguing for another character is well...likely a child aka someone who's too young to know what good character writing looks like. Kreia is the last *original* idea added to Star Wars
@@lonewanderer1328 She's the toxic mom type. Teaching you strange yet effective and pragmatic lessons that are useful to you later on in life. Leading to a strange relationship between the two of you when you're fully grown where you don't really hate her but you can't fully love her either.
After seeing this i am very interested to see him tackle Jade Empire and it's world. Hopefully one day we will see a let's play of Jade Empire from Woolie with Little V or someone who knows the game.
@@NateVHVT No not really. Been a while but fans got upset at him for reasons. That happening around the same time he lost his mother and other shit he just said "K, bye" understandably.
Blame lucas arts The devs wanted more time to finish it, got denied They then asked to at the least be allowed a post release patch to add nearly finishes content, got denied. Devs did all they could, while getting fucked over by lucas arts
@@Maioly Back in 05, they did release 1 patch, but amusingly it was just to fix a PDF in the PC version's install. lol It got people's hopes up though back in the day. I imagine patching the xbox version wouldn't have been on the table either way sadly, which was how I first played it back in the day.
@@Maioly why has obsidian always gotten slashed time to make amazing game sequels by shitty greedy corporations that STILL end up better than 90% of modern big budget AAA titles 20 years later
@@SteamPaladin It was their curse. They made *great* in the limited time frames they had, but there were always visible flaws and cracks in the form of glitches and interesting/cool content that had to be cut and left out due to said time constraints.
Ah, Marka Ragnos, that dude is a fuckin DUDE, he is so popular that he has been featured in multiple Star Wars stories and games, with his descendents being the main antagonist of Jedi Knight Jedi Academy (no that isn't a spoiler, you literally meet them within the first level of the game).
Im still a fan of the theory that Kreia might be Briannas mother, as Kreia was Arren Kae when she was a Jedi Master, Revan's friend and master, then exiled. She then becomes Darth Traya before Crusty Boi and Eldrtich Man exile her again from the Sith, cutting her from her force connection, finally ending up as Kreia.
So for the question, the answer is 20 because requiring a perfect circle means from the 6 and 16th, both sides need to be an equal count I don't blame woolie, the question was worded weird as hell with the only context is 6 and 16 was the start
Man, after seeing the compilations go up I think I’ve finally come to terms with my feelings towards KOTOR 2. It’s a game with an amazing cast, and it’s got really great ideas and concepts worth exploring, but good lord is it undercooked. Undercooked to the point where I’m kind’ve happy it’s been taken out of Canon, I really want to see these characters again but in something that is fully realized
@@BESM1984 the guy behind clone wars, rebels and the mandalorian could definetely do it I will not even try to spell his name from memory, but dude is a genius when it comes to making cool ass star wars stuff
@@Maioly but he still keeps it Good(Jedi) vs Evil(Sith) mostly. Never truly touch's the grey stuff or speaks on how the force ITSELF is terrifying like in this game. Maybe he could but I doubt Disney would allow ANYONE to bring such concepts to either movies or games
Swtor I forget where but it’s hinted that bap actually survived and proceeded to be the man who developed planetary shields and became the Einstein’s of the Star Wars universe even got his own science contest named after him
I think what I would think the moment I saw the Kill the party button while they are trapped in the proving ground is that Kreia was trying to turn and train all those who served you or wanted you to think that and that you would choose to kill them to spare them from their suffering.
That's honestly the WHOLE meta-theme of Star Wars. MASSIVE LOGICAL breakthroughs are made yet these people that make them either die in peace or are snuffed out. 1-3, 4-6, and even 7-9 all are "resets" where people forget these breakthroughs over and over. This goes into what Kreia said and why she hates the force. The force itself is honestly "The Plot" the plot has to make sure everybody is "stupid". It's like why Samus gets nerfed in each game when it shouldn't happen. Yet having Samus at full power from the jump and able to gain more power "ruins" the plot. The plot the journey is honestly a cop out for the constant forcing of logical resets where the only thing that remains a constant in the galaxy is that Hutts run a lot of things from the shadows and that the "Republic" has always been a shell of safety people take for granted. The force deserves the hatred Kreia has in it because it isn't good in fact it is eviler than the greatest of Sith could ever be. Since it will force the hand of everything and easily wipe away what it created like it was nothing.
