I got a couple of these in my home for supplement heat to my electric heaters and backup heat during blackouts. Not sure why no one mentions it in their reviews but that thin sheet metal Bings, Bangs and Booms as it heats up and cools down all the time, not a big deal but I watched reviews before I bought and no one mentioned it, it startled me when it happened and be prepared folks.
I install heaters an deliver propane.. running the heater with just the pilot would not over heat the thermocouple.. i have a hearter that i have ran for 4 years straight summer an winter.. usually its dust that makes them shut off like that..
I have been using these heaters for a few years now I have a 500 gallon propane tank I know a lot of people push the Buddy heaters I prefer this kind I am happy with them you can't hear them run like a furnace😊
The Blue Flame is more a convection heater but they do have the radiant ones with the ceramic heaters. I’ve had both and the radiant heaters are much better imo. They do put off a smell and lots of moisture so it’s advisable to crack a nearby window.
It is a ventless model. As I have said before it is ONLY used as a back up should we be away for more than a day at a time. It does cause condensation which causes black mold if not dried out quickly. Our primary source of heat is wood which dries the condensation up.
Yes, read about these heaters! We developed black mold behind our kitchen cabinets and had to rip everything out and perform special cleaning to get the black mold out. Never again!
I believe it will do great! One thing to remember with it being your primary Heat is the condensation created by the propane heaters over time. It's not a concern if you heat with wood as it is a very "dry" heat and counteract the condensation.
@@Fancysregenerativefarm Do you have any tips for minamizing condensation. Will keeping a window slightly open help or perhaps a solar powered bathroom vent.
it's not a problem with wood..or anything that has a chimney to remove the humid *combustion* air... not all propane heaters exhaust the combustion air to the outside, Best of both worlds (for propane heat) would be a heater with an exhaust vent AND a "condensing" heat exchanger to keep as much heat from going out the chimney as possible. That said If' it's just used to keep the pipes from freezing (40 deg F target) AND people won't be inside the non venting type is a pretty efficient idea that doesn't really need any electricity. Diesel "Parking " heaters are much cheaper to run than propane.
One of the reasons it might have turned off was the sensor wire is actually in the path of the pilot flame. I've seen them where they get bumped or installed wrong and don't get to the flame. So check that. Also your tank pressure might have been low and when that happens the pilot light is not as "large" and misses the sensor wire. So review your pilot light and sensor wire and make sure they are aligned and close enough. Thanks for the vid.
I live in the cabin up in the mountains I have a Dyna-Glo heater that runs off propane 100 pounders he says his hundred pounders only run for a couple days maybe because it's new construction I don't my Dyna glo with 100 pounder can last up to 1 month . Of course I have a backup which I use now and then that saves on my 100 lb
I have one to install, I've used before, IMPORTANT, These are not vented/chimney exhausted heaters, so you need to keep window cracked open for fresh air, as the unit is burning indoors and indoor air, plus be safe, especially in more confined spaces, get a carbon monoxide detector, not a cheap one either, don't mess with your health or worse, be smart, they are great heaters in time of off grid or power outages, use wisely !
If your house is that airtight you would have to open a window to close the door. As a former contractor, you would be very surprised at how much air exchange your home has. However, as I have repeatedly stated we ONLY USE THE HEATER WHEN WE ARE AWAY! When we are home, we heat with wood.
@@Fancysregenerativefarm My comment was more directed for those not in the 'know', know what i mean and I too, been remodeling & building for years, I know what you mean also, but for those that don't and as I have a fish house, small one room type set ups, you best have some air flow, right.....other wise I knew what you said about heating with wood, being a more northern person, we always had some kind of auxiliary heat, if not 2...And the way this ole world is flip'n so fast, people best figure something up for heat/cook'n, when the sh*t hits the fan here soon....Cheers !
100 pound propane tank, is approx 23 gallons. propane current market rates are $1.85 per gallon. today $43.00 +/- to fill that tank. So $222.00 per month +/-. 115 gallons per month set on number two.
100 pound propane tank, is approx 23 gallons. propane current market rates are $1.85 per gallon. today $43.00 +/- to fill that tank. So $222.00 per month +/-. 115 gallons per month set on number two. For what it's worth.
More efficient than how I'm currently doing it. Generator to batteries $40 to fill the generator, needs to run every other day and runs the full tank through each time. Currently working on better options hahaha
That's what I was thinking. I know when we RV full time in the winter our 60lbs lasts us over a month. But again, it's not zero degrees out and only about 350sq ft. I was wondering if a wood pellet stove is more economical.
My homeowners is trying to cancel me over my woodstove which we only use when it gets super cold so im going to replace it with one of these. I found we burn so much wood when its cold it is no cheaper as I have to buy wood.
Hello, do you have any issues with moisture building up in the attic or walls with this heater? We ran one and condensation was building up in the attic on the ceiling as we have a Metal Roof, just curious if you need to run a dehumidifier with these units?
Its hard to believe that people are allowed to use a ventless gas heater that is ventless inside their home . In Canada all gas heaters need to be direct vent so that the air feed to the fire comes from the outside and the exhaust fumes are vented to the outside . That is the only logical and safe way of using one of these . I get your reasoning that it is a back up only and nobody will be in the house but the unit will work more efficiently if it has good fresh air to feed the fire instead of using exhaust depleted oxygen . Oxygen will be sucked in through any window or door leak and after a while it will deplete the oxygen inside the house to an unsafe level and also the fire will not burn well using air that is depleted of oxygen . Using a direct vent gas fireplace you will not get the condensation issue from the exhaust ...Plus you will not have people inside a house full of exhaust poison gas !
@@chadanderson2798Combustion consumes oxygen and produces carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is what you need to exhaust. Otherwise you end up with a house full of carbon dioxide and depleted oxygen, which can kill humans.
Used the same type of heater at my home basement. What happens when your thermocouple quits working..... you have to replace the whole heating unit, because they're not made to be replaced...!
Just a thought the flame model will leave black soot above the unit after a while have not noticed soot with the models with ceramic panels mine has 3 panels where 1 2 or 3 panels can radiate have not noticed soot yet after 3 years
Years ago I had a 5 burner in my trailer, while my Granny wanted to go with the new updated blue flame technology. I never noticed any soot or any residue in either. Mine was more radiant heat like from a wood stove, hers really did seem to send the heat out quicker in the beginning. After both places were warm, I'd say basically equal. Others may have a different opinion than mine, but I was seriously worried about my Granny trying something new and fandangled.
@@randymcphink3924 I still use the heater with the flame had it going on 20 years with minimal maintenance just a cleaning when the flame goes from blue to yellow and still works great
@deadnorth8333 basic maintenance is the key. Of course for my Granny, she was told no maintenance (typical for new products), but me being young and stupid and her growing up to believe and trust into others, we learned the mistakes fairly early. As I said, they are very similar, different heat at first, later, I couldn't tell much difference. Someone with a more sincitive snout and mind like mine surely may see big differences. I won't knock them if they do (unless I know them personally and that'll be reason to give them hell!!!, lol)
The blue flame is not a radiant heat, like the older 5 burners were. Easiest way to put it, 5 burners feel more like radiant heat from a wood stove. Blue flame is more of an even heat, similar to a furnace. I know that sounds silly because they are so similar, but I've seen both at the same time, in the same winter. Once warm, I couldn't tell much difference in humidity or anything though. Only downdraw I seen with the blueflame, is the nozzles seem to get more clogged up (more maintenance at beginning of winter, if you don't take precautions. Great stoves and seemed very close to efficiency. Hope this helps. Holler back with any questions and I'll surely give my experience with me and my granny.
It would be safe for a mobile home just be wary of where you place it on the wall (not next to something easily flammable) and run the hose to a propane tank outside of the home. Also I would run it on a low setting in a mobile home
Yeah no info on ventilation, neither for moisture nor for carbon monoxide. There were some pipes behind the heater, that could be an air intake but nothing was mentioned...
@@josephreynolds7505 They are, but that doesn't mean they don't need to a) get oxygen and b) get rid of CO. Most people keep doors and/or windows cracked with propane heaters if they don't have some sort of ventilation system.
The BLUE flame Dyna-Glo are rated for ventless indoor heating. The ORANGE flame ones need to be vented. However, in either case, I would have an oxygen depletion and a CO sensor in the room, just in case.
How long would a small tank last any idea? if that is a 100 pound tank and it lasts 6-7 days I figure 20 pound tank would last a little over a day running non-stop?
So if it last 7 days on 2, it’s easily figured out. Take 100lbs and divide it by 7(100/7=) which will give you 14.2857143lbs of propane a day at number 2. A lot of things come into play like how cold it actually gets and how long you’re planning on being gone for. Off grid wise you’re better off coming up with a DIY geothermal heating system like my step father and I are going to be trying to come up with. Then no matter what you’re building will always be at a constant 50-55 degrees no matter the temperature outside. Look into it it’s called geothermal heating. Yes it can cost thousands if you buy a geothermal heat pump and don’t look into building your own system and falling for the traps but a man who has a brain can easily figure out how to get free heat from the earth. Remember there’s a reason why your water lines are burried below frost and theirs a reason why below frost line never freezes. These propane heaters are not really made for that type of heating they are mad for space heating a room that lacks heat. If you want somthing reliable the only way I see it would be getting a direct vent style Rinnai heater like a kerosine monitor Heater. Look into geothermal especially if you know how a boiler system works or have solar panels. Don’t rely on others for fuel
TY for this. What about ventilation and dangerous combustion gases? I see you have that on an interior wall and when you picked it up I can see there is no exernal vent. So you are burning interior oxygen and exhausting to your interior breathe air. Are you sure that's safe?
It is "supppsed" to be clean burn and safe for interiors. ....like they use to say about deet, aspestos etc..... anyways we only utilize the heater when we leave and are unable to maintain a fire in the woodstove.
You need to open the windows once a day. the same as a fireplace. Honestly, if you have a workshop or a garage or a tiny house and you are looking for an alternative to electric heat, I suggest diesel heater. You'll need to drill a hole in the wall.
The pilot on these heater have a oxygen depletion system built in. These heater are tested to detect low oxygen and will shut off before dangerous levels will be harmful. Keep in mind you can also install a CO2 alarm system, they are the size of a smoke detector. Some are built together.
I have one that I have used for years with no problems. I have central heat with propane, but this ventless wall unit is cheaper to run and heats the house very good.
It would heat it depending on your insulation and climate. However, I think that there are some health concerns with co2. We only use it as a heat source when we leave and are unable to maintain a fire.
@@akbauer2525his tank is 100#. Not 100gal. Propane is roughly $3.30 a gal in my area. Tanks are usually filled about 80% 100# tank is about 20gal so to fill his tank would be roughly $60ish If you live in an area that you wouldn’t have to constantly run it then it’d be more in your favor. If I was him I’d go with a wood heater if that was an option.
That pencils out to be a heck of a lot cheaper than frozen broken pipes, me thinks. Besides if it is for "back up" how long are you expecting to be running on back up?
No ventilation, no chimney, no nothing. Just a natural convection IN YOUR OWN HOUSE. Where is the evacuation of the conbustion gases? Dude, all those toxic gases will kill you one day. Do something about it!
Mine runs 1 month on a 100# in the coldest winter I also have out side wood stove when I want to use it out side wood stove is the best way to go but you have fun with your propane junk.
100lb tank is 23gal. 23gal. X $2.50/gal. = $57.50 per week to heat the house. Not too bad but why not just get a 2500gal. tank so you don’t need to mess with switching and filling so much? You must live WAY out there so delivery not an option 😂
It’s -38 here right now, I topped off a 30lb propane bottle yesterday around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="240">4:00</a>pm an after running it yesterday afternoon and last night I now have approximately half a bottle left an it’s only <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="654">10:54</a> am.. Did not think this heater was going to be this terrible on propane..! To fill that 30lb propane bottle cost me 41.13 .. I even got up durning the night to shut the heater off an thought I’d be good for a while.. NOPE..! Wasn’t the case at all..! I bought the Martin Propane Direct Vent Heater MDV20VP 20000 Btu... Diff NOT IMPRESSED..! Along with the warm temps, also come high humidity. Currently +17, 18 in here with 52% humidity .. Current sq footage of my semi off grid shelter is 384sq/ft.. Yup... am NOT impressed at all..!!!
@@Fancysregenerativefarm Interesting, it is probably a good option, I'm planning for black out . How much does it cost to refill your 100 lbs tank ? I have no idea. I'm a Canadian living in chinada. LOL🙃
That is not a radiant heater that is a blue flame heater, I have a blue flame heater in my house and a radiant heater both are the same brand and rated at 30,000 BTU, the Blue flame heater does not put out as much heat and it uses more propane, I will never buy another blue flame heater again, You want a radiant heater also called infrared with ceramic plaques, they heat better and are more efficient. If you will notice when the big box stores sell out of heaters in the winter the blue flame are the only ones left on the shelf because they do not work as good.
I hope he has ventilation... Get a CO2 meter. You will be shocked. In case anyone sees this, 100# Tanks hold about 24 Gallons of propane which means about 170 lbs full. We strap the tanks to dolly's and use aluminum ramps to pull to load/unload into the back of our truck. Many just lay the tanks on their side but I don't trust it. Using 24 gallons of propane in one week in the bitter cold in single digits and below is not abnormal... propane prices will vary greatly by area. Sure, it may cost $150-200/mo of propane to heat during winter. Try running an electric heater the entire time and see what happens to your power bill. Let me show you below if you are interested. In December 2023 Propane was $2.68 National Average per gallon. 1 gallon of propane is 91,500 BTUs The National Cost per KWH in December 2023 was $0.1573 per KWh. 91,500 BTUs = 26.812 KWh Now lets convert the cost of electricity 26.812 KWh * $0.1573 = $4.22 So the apples to apples comparison of 1 gallon of propane producing 91,500 BTUs of heating power cost $2.68, or $4.22 for electricity using the national average numbers. That's 57% more expensive. In my case, propane was more like 3.25 per gallon, (18% more) but my electricity rate is .1716 (9% more) so electricity was still 41% more expensive.
What a great breakdown of the costs! Thank you so much! I want to clarify . We are never in the house with the heater running. We ONLY use it as backup to the Woodstove when we leave to prevent Frozen canning and plumbing.
@@Fancysregenerativefarm wonderful to know. There are many indoor safe propane heaters that do not produce Carbon monoxide, BUT the carbon dioxide buildup is insanity. We use an indoor buddy heater to supplement our heat pump as it struggles below 20 degrees. In one hour, the CO2 from a 12000 BTU propane heater reaches over 3000ppm with 2 vent fans (bathroom and kitchen) in our 500 sq ft cabin. Everyone is focused on CO but they forget about CO2 😞 Fresh air is less than 1000ppm poor quality is up to 2500ppm, and over 2500ppm starts to have detrimental health effects. Over 5000ppm is heavily regulated by OSHA in industrial environments.
Yes they produce CO2, plants love it. We live at just over 400 ppm CO2 today, at the time of the dinosaurs it was at 2000 plus ppm and could not survive now at 400 ppm. These units have oxygen depletion devices on them that cover CO and CO2. If either or both displace the oxygen levels in a room the unit would shut off on the safety shut off and have to be relit to use again. This would allow you to investigate a possible problem. Out of the box pretty darn safe. CO2 is non toxic unlike CO that is. Really moisture would be a main concern, combustion produces moisture. The oxygen depletion device is the pilot assy itself, pilot needs oxygen to burn so can't fail to function.
These are very unhealthy and should be illegal! If it doesn’t vent exhaust outside you don’t want it. Buy a cheap pellet stove and it will pay for itself. You can run it on a small generator in an emergency.
My family lived in a house heated with several of these. We never had black mold. The water vapor from propane combustion doesn't magically build up in one spot and create mold. You're assuming that there's zero air exchange between different areas or humidity exchange with the exterior? Not if the house is built properly. Do your research BEFORE you comment.
You are exactly right! We discovered this problem. Fortunatley the wood stove dries things out really well. We only utilize it for short periods if we are away for the day.
NO VENT wall furnaces are not for well insulated areas as they need fresh air...IF no outside air is coming in they will create humidity and walls will start to get mold....Lots of videos on RU-vid on this and when buying a non vented heater it will even warn you in the instructions and on the box @@monanddom5933
