I appreciate the time you put into this video. It really allows the viewer to make their own choice into what they prefer. I like seventh heaven, but was surprised in it’s cpu usage. Great cpu chart. Thank you.
Phoenix and Seventh Heaven both sounded great, as well as Pro-R. Very natural, all three. Cinematic Rooms sounded the most three-dimensional, it had a little something the others lacked as far as depth but I’m not sure what is going on there. Valhalla sounded more like something you’d reach for to add color than to sound like a room.
I’ve always loved the Phoenix. I recently picked up the cinematic rooms and am liking that. I use the Valhalla vintage mostly for lush effects, washing out guitar and piano etc. but right now on my orchestral sections it’s between the Phoenix, cinematic rooms and the Lexicon. Thanks for your video, the CPU metering was enlightening. Cheers!
Interesting. I suffer GAS during Black Friday, but your video helped me decide from buying another reverb at least! I already have Valhalla Vintage, and more importantly R4 which should compare favorably to Phoenix, so hard to justify buying Seventh Heaven or Cinematic Rooms.. Thanks!
Thank you for the great feedback. Glad that I could help you. Vintage Verb and R4 are a great combination. I guess Phoenix additional is not necessary.
Just run some tests, myself, and what is interesting. If you’re playing audio while testing, the CPU load is how hard ASIO on certain reverbs. Symphony is really high.
Cinematic Rooms seems to have more weight and depth than the others, I own Cinematic Rooms, 7th Heaven and Fab Filter Pro R. Cinematic Rooms is by far the best.
I recommend getting a strings or any instrument VST that has reverb included in it because instruments with their own reverb, decay, compression, etc, have a better prepared algorithm for each particular instrument that are better calibrated manually. Cinematic Rooms is the best of these because they have more features and real good surround sound 5.1, 7.1 and more. The best reverb VST to me is called Altiverb. But, it is very expensive. I actually acheive a decent sound on my piano songs using a reverb called Endless Smile (that only has one knob and cost about 40 dollars) together with another reverb on the same track which is free called Oril River Reverb (that has a lot of great calibration knobs to really fine tune the reverb).
@@andrewqualls For rooms I love altiverb (convolution reverb). For reverbs I love algortihmic reverbs, because they are much diversified, you can change a lot of parameters... But there are a lot of great impulse responses of Bricasti M7 or Lexicon 480 and they sound all good, too. Your mix will not sound bad with convolution. Just my taste :-)
I honestly like Seventh Heaven the most. I find it to be the most warm and realistic sounding. Even better than Cinematic Rooms according to me. But Cinematic Rooms is a little brighter. But I find that a bit negative, makes my ears a bit fatigue quickly. I rather just put some Slate Digital Fresh Air on Seventh Heaven if I want it to sound brighter.
Yes, I love the Seventh Heaven, too. At Black Friday I will update to the pro version, including surround and atmos. For me the difference is not very big. Great idea with Fresh Air.
Good comparison, to my ear Cinematic Rooms was the best because it didn't change the character of sound so much as compared to Phoenix which I thought was a little boomy , oh well this was not about quality anyway .
Great sale on today. For orchestral music perhaps 7H is richer but I feel there's a move towards clarity in mixes even in orchestral ones so I went with CRP. (rest don't compare sorry even though I use FabFilter other products)
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Yes. So worth the money. 7th heaven is rich but I can't help feeling the tails on CRP is cleaner. Thank you for your great work.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Yes professional, and if you are a teacher you can stack the two discounts for perhaps the greatest reverb value available atm.
Why do you prefer many instances of reverb over having just a couple reverbs and using sends? If you want to save CPU, and you want the instruments to gel as if they are in the same room, I’d think you want less reverbs running and to send tracks to them. You could still set up a short and a long, just on an effects channel.
What plugin did you use for those ostinato / spicatto strings at 5:25? Sounds awesome. I've been looking forever but the ones I find is always way to soft. Thanks!
"Don't like the end of VVV"... well, VVV can make many different reverb tail types based on the mode and colors settings that using just one setting barely represents the nature of the reverb. Anyway, thank you for the video.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Oh, you tried to match it. Ok. I think Chamber, Room and Smooth Room on NOW can give quite non-modulated tails. But in the end, it's "Vintage" verb, so maybe even the cleanest modes won't be as clean as other reverbs. Thank you for the reply, cheers!
@@timheinrichenglish8782 That's nice to hear. And besides, I do use even Spaces II and for the first time even Cinematic Rooms Professional to even trying out about a mashup of Reverb. I do imagine about Newman Scoring Stage Hall Reverb when I use sometimes just 3 Reverb VST for test.
It would be a bit more fair to a) compare the reverbs with exact the same audio material (e.g. a rendered audio or at least the exact same MIDI notes) and b) instead of Valhalla VintageVerb you should have chosen ValhallaRoom instead, since this would go along better with the other verbs, I guess. Like it is in the video now it just seems like the VIntageVerb is a "bad" verb somehow, but in the end it's just supposed to work in other situations, I guess.
Well, I play the same 3 instruments and nearly the same melodies. The result should not be much different. So you can compare it. Sometimes I the VintageVerb sounds more natural to me than the Valhalla Room. Check the tail. So I had to choose of them because the video should not 1 hour long. But both are great. The VintageVerb seems to need less CPU power.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Maybe it might be nitpicky, for surem, but from time to time I am doing detailled reverb tests and to me it always is important to use the exact same audio input in such situations, since slight differences might trick the ears. Regarding VintageVerb vs. Room: interesting. I feel the exact opposite. To me VintageVerb sounds more resonating and sometimes fluttering in the tail. Room just sounds way more like a room to me ... well, hence the name, I guess. While it is true that VintageVerb seems even more CPU friendly, hehe. And I understand that you had to chose one ... that's why I was writing that ValhallaRoom would have been more fitting to next to the other verbs than VintageVerb; at least in my opinion ("should have chosen ValhallaRoom instead"). Nevertheless: thanks for testing, of course! (=
