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"How can I accurately determine if affordable stuff is as good as expensive stuff if I don't listen to expensive stuff." Textbook 5 stages of hifi addiction.
The "Hot Wheels" reference hit home, I said to the wife, "here's a guy with kids." I built a pair of bookshelf speakers and eventually gave them to my daughter While waiting to be placed in their homes on top of the built in bookcases, they were sitting on the floor within reach of my three year old grandson and his little cousin same age. So they at some point became occupied behind a sofa and by the time we located them, they had filled up both speakers with "Bluey" character toys. Luckily pulling the drivers allowed the gang to be liberated with no damage. P.S. as long as you don't start reviewing speakers that cost as much as a three bedroom house, I think you can still call yourself the C.A.M. 😉👍
@cheapaudioman Ditto. Not gonna like, when the latest episodes dropped, my wife and I waited for the kids to go to sleep and then binged them all ourselves first.
Back in the day, maybe you?, kids would put peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the VCR :) Go Bluey, infiltrating the secret lair of the speaker overlord 😂
Eventually this channel is going to evolve into a Not-So-Cheap Audio Man. I think it's natural as I find myself spending more and more the farther I get into this hobby.
i heard these and they sounded great and if they start showing up used at $1500 it would be very tempting but for now it would be hard to pass up a Zu or Teckton or even the incredibly built and so rich looking Sonus Faber Lumina V
Great Review Randy! I may never own these, but it's nice to know about them! You haven't steared me wrong on Any speakers! 3 of which were recommended by you, and they've all served me well!!! Thank You!!!
If the room setup at :46 indicates how you listened to these, I think you might be missing out on what concentric drivers can really do. I noticed this when you reviewed the Uni-fi 2 UB52 as well, where you actually towed them in until the streams crossed??? Concentric drivers should be aimed perfectly straight out into the room, no toe at all. They need to be WAY out from the wall, mine are 31 inches from the wall to rear of speaker (this is why these Mofi's seem to have so much base, they are too close to the wall). You then need to set up seating distance to be a perfect equilateral triangle. Once you have it dialed in, the 3-dimensional imaging that takes place, mostly behind the speakers, will make you feel you are right there where the recording was made, to the point where your brain even recreates the smell of the tube amp when you hear it humming on an SRV recording. There's no way you are getting that effect with speakers placed that close to the wall, you are flattening the image into 2-dimensions.
This size speaker is called a "monitor." It's larger than a bookshelf but it's not a floor standing speaker. Monitor style speakers often come with short, custom designed, matching stands.
Another great review, but would like to see a review of the Zu Dirty Weekend 6 Speakers and comparison since they are less expensive and have received great reviews from many of your peers.
In the world of $15k-$100k speakers , $3k is comparably cheap audio speaker. Your still the cheapaudioman , just now your educated to better review if a speaker punches above it's weight class or not
So is a 200k car .Something is only cheap or expensive depending on how much money you have to begin with .But this is a cheap Audio website .A 100 quid watch tells the time just as well as a 5k one
@@LOTPOR0402 and yes what your point a used 1500 Honda will get you to work and home just the same as a 200k car , a $10 watch tell the time same as a 100k watch a $10 speaker or used amp will play music just like a $10k speakers or amps. But you and all of us will easily admit it's not the same , it's in the details . And what's cheap to one person may be unattainable to the next. $3k is not unattainable for me , but is it worth it ? I'm happy to see these reviews so that we all can get an educated comparison to cheaper gear to see if something really compares or is it just save your money your getting same thing. Or as you tried to imply , it's all the same just buy the cheapest stuff possible. Technically kinda but I disagree. It's in the details they do the same thing but there not the same
@@LOTPOR0402As it happens most $10 watches tell time better than most $100K watches. The former are all quartz whereas the latter will likely be 100% mechanical & therefore less accurate.
A friend of mine recently purchased the Source Point 10's and invited me to listen to them. I then invited him to listen to my Zu DW 6 SUPREME'S I purchased a few months ago. Cut to the chase he could not believe what he heard, left went home brought his speakers, amp and source material to my home for a A/B comparison. Seven hours later using only his amp and material he could not believe the difference. The last hour we used my tube mono blocks and he lost his mind. Soundstage width and depth were even substantially better with the Zu's and he actually thought both of my sub's were connected when I switched from his amp. I am not bashing Andrew Jones as I own the Debut Uni-fi Reference bookshelfs and I think they are great. He returned his speakers at the end of his home trial.
I've listened to both and would definitely agree, the ZU DW are better sounding than the MoFi's. I was not impressed with the MoFi...maybe there is a bit of cult of personality working here (Mr. Jones).
@@steven3557 Thank for the reply. I did not want to mention the USA made as I did not want to open the "Chi-Fi"/USA debate. I do own one pair of made in China speakers and a few more in my separate surround system.
While I have not heard either of the Mofi speakers live, I was completely blown away by the 10s, listening to the initial Andrew Jones demo, only through my headphones on RU-vid. Found it intriguing, just how many reviewers were crapping all over the performance…seemed to be a decent amount of backlash that made me go…hmmm. Either way, no doubt I’d be almost as impressed with the 8s. Love the new baffle and clean looking concentric design. Another great review my man, keep up the excellent work…always look forward to your vids. Hope the Metallica/Pantera concert was all you hoped it would be. No doubt it was. A handful of my buddies who went here in Canada, said the concert was amazing
OMG. The Hot wheels really had me laughing. My daughter pushed in my tweeters on a nice set a speakers I used to own. Just pushed in the shiny tweeters. A nice black shiny button to push. All shiny and reflective. I think I need to push it in...... Imagine my confusion looking at my speakers with pushed in tweeters...... LOL HOT WHEELS!! Holy smokes that is funny!! I totally can relate!!!
One of my kids pushed in my B&W tweeters about 20 years ago. I ‘ve been using $300 Infinity bookshelves ever since .They blow away my $1200 B&W s ( 1200 in 1990 ) !
Also many of you forget in few years on used market $3000 speakers become less than $1000. And then you will be looking for this video for some reviews before you try to get a deal on them
The $200 you save shirking the stand is PER STAND btw so saving $400 but after a quick look on crutchfield, if i was gonna get these id just get them with the stands if im already spending that much on speakers
Not that I'll ever have the mad money to buy a pair of these, just some observations on what I see in terms of design. An 8" bass driver is seemingly in that sweet spot of very good transient response interms of inertial mass and the ability to move sufficient amounts of air to hit into the lower frequency range. I have always been partial to paper cones in drivers ( except tweeters) they seem to not have a particular bias to the sound. The coaxial design gives a "point source" to the audio with the 8" paper cone acting as a wave guide for midrange frequencies without being a rigid horn structure that can color the sound. The woofer also has an accordion edge suspension which is probably more linear in action than the rubber or foam surrounds of other designs. The soft dome tweeter looks to be over an inch in diameter and maybe tilted toward the upper midrange and lower end high frequencies than absolute top end sparkle. The cabinet is obviously solid and dense with the multi-faceted front panel helping to suppress spurious edge effects. Having amplification with lots of reserve power and a high damping factor doesn't hurt either. A lot of care has been taken to make all of these points work in a balanced fashion.
Yes please compare Mofi to other speakers! Much as you want. Find a $6,000 speaker that even comes close. Would really like to hear your thoughts. Big AJ fan here, thanks in advance CAM!
The Source Point 8s are super beautiful looking and sounding that Steve Z's non audiophile wife bought them on the spot. That should speak how good they are.
Hey man. Have a great time at Metallica. I'm a huge fan of theirs and of hard-rock/metal music. Incidentally, I'm also a drummer, and the last two times I've seen Metallica, I noticed they were very "out of time" as a band during many of their songs. I'm considering seeing them again here in December (Saint Louis area), but am curious as to how Metallica sounds live these days. In one of your up-coming videos, it would be awesome if you could mention how the show was. Anyway, I love the videos, and have a great time.
I will own these at some point in the future. There was a big buzz on the 10s but nobody I watch has done an official review. Happy to see your take on them!
That's a hefty price tag, but as you said, to gauge the sound, you need a yardstick to measure them by, so the comparisons were helpful. Based on your experience, an opinion that would help me is, how do they stack up against the SVS Ultras? But, as always, thank you for your time, effort, and honest opinion on these speakers. Take care, Sir. All the best, and don't give yourself a hernia lifting those speakers. Hernias are not helpful for dive certification.
Speaking of cheap, have you tried adding a Behringer Dualfex Pro to your signal chain? Speakers that I thought has no low-end and boringly flat, surprised me with their punch and low end extension when the Dualfex was enabled/used.
No need for Dualfex if you have expensive electronics. Expensive electronics can really bring out the bass and clear up the midrange. But this Dualfex seems like a cheaper alternative.
Personally I prefer my midrange to be neutral, transparent and smooth. Treble should be airy, detailed with enough upper extension. This will create a wide and spacious soundstage that is insightful and non fatiguing. If this can't be achieved because the bass muddies their presentation then for me it's not a great speaker. It's an indication that the speakers lack cohesion, balance and proper implementation. Have you tried reviewing Sonus faber Lumina line speakers? It's way cheaper than this and it's handmade in Italy. You'll be surprised.
Great review! I appreciate Randy dipping into the more expensive gear from time to time and reporting back. That way we don’t have to! Looking forward to part 2 for the comparisons.
Great review amigo. I appreciate you looking at some equipment that carries a higher price tag. Everyone is working off of a different budget, and our income tends to increase over time, so many will of course outgrow the cheapest audio equipment. These may seem pricey compared to the most affordable speakers out there, but they appear to represent a huge value. If there's a $3k speaker out there that can compare to a $5 - $6k speaker, I want to know about it. As much as I enjoy your reviews of some of the most affordable equipment, "cheap" is a relative term. Some of us are making a little more now, or have been saving for a while, and we want to know what the best vale is at the higher price brackets. Dare I say, you may need to review some $5k - $10k speakers, just to establish a reference so you can accurately convey to us how well the more affordable speakers hit above their weight class. Having said all of that, I hope you continue to review the affordable equipment out there to help those just getting into the hobby.
I can appreciate Randy dipping his toes in the hot tub from time to time, but he has to remain relatable, lest he wander into some Black Mirror territory.
You need to try out other dual concentric speakers. And next time an efficient one. Please, go all in and try a set 15’ dual concentric like the Tannoy Arden. They are certainly not cheap, but they are dynamic, engaging, musical and just plain wonderful. This is the original, the others are just copies ;)
I love your channel dude! I was checking these speakers and then you said 3000 dollars. That's not cheap anymore 🙂 Are you changing directions? Keep up the good work!
When you’ve already made 700+ vids about the cheap stuff, there’s only one direction to go. He’s been around the block several times. He’s a man of the people, but it’s drive or die, and Randy has hit the gas.
I listened to to the SourcePoint 10s at CAF, and instantly sent a message to Zeos to come down immediately to hear them. Btw we met I believe Friday night in Zeos’ room at CAF. Those speakers just took my breath away. Depending on the room size is what determines which MoFi speaker to purchase.
Speakers can't be too big... Well, speakers can I suppose, but not drivers... More so the center to center spacing depending on crossover points and how many drivers are involved... Some speakers require a greater listening distance to integrate property. But not the sourcepoints, so it's impossible for the 10 to be too big. It just allows you to play it at a lower spl than it's capable of and then EQ up the 30-40hz range and make them truly full range with adequate output down that low, negating the need for a sub unless you need below 30hz bass.
One of the main criticism of coaxial drivers is that the woofer cone acts as a horn for the tweeter but moving back and forth generates some kind of distortion?
@@ProfessorHamer hi thank you for the very kind and valuable advice I will watch that However I am a big fan of coaxials I have always liked Tannoys for instance They were pretty popular in studios therefore they should be just fine
People who are starting down the audio road go for tweeter happy speakers, B & W, focal etc, after a few years of Listening and finding your ears, disturbed many people switch to something a little more balanced.
I’m not going to say that I’ve been counting,but when I first started watching you, I think the vast majority of products were on the lower side,but now I think at best it’s 50/50. I don’t have a problem with whatever you review,it’s your platform, But I don’t think you’re the Cheap audio man anymore , I would say you’re the budget or lower price man, I think cheap would be speakers maybe about $300 maybe $400 in todays market for a pair of bookshelves. I personally would like $300 or $400 speakers to be compared to maybe around $700 to maybe $1500 speakers. $3000 speakers are not a fair comparison,in my opinion. I think that most people who want to step up would not be able to jump from $300 to $3000. Much like you do with Fosi or Denon or Sony versus Marantz, not Fosi versus McIntosh or Rotel, that would not be my step up from a Fosi or Aiyima . I’m just using some names for example, I understand that they may vary in price, but I think that you understand the point that I am trying to make.I myself would like to see a review on the next steps up , if possible. Thanks you for considering this project.
I wouldn't pay $3K for 10 sets of LS50's. I don't think Randy cares much for them either....I know I certainly don't. I would pick the $500 Elac Uni-Fi before the KEF's.
Hi @cheapaudioman: Love your videos. I have two (2) questions regarding the SourcePoint 8: - Would an AV Receiver drive this speaker? - How would it compare to other speakers with concentric drivers e.g. KEF Q150? Thanks!
AV receivers are never, ever even close to a good stereo amp. A receiver that costs 2 000+ bucks will always loose to an amp that costs 500 bucks. Why do you think that something that has 5-7 or more channels will have same current and power of something that has only 2 ?
Kemosabe, I wonder, do you still have Unifi’s to compare the treble to. Just wondering if it’s comparable. Not putting words in your mouth, so straighten me out if I’m off here……is the treble maybe “correct”? I’m bearing down on this because I could see buying these in a couple years, …..maybe😊😊 Best regards brother.
Randy, I am torn between these and the Criton 1TDXs you mentioned. Small room would be midfield setup and as you discussed these might be too much for the room bass wise at higher spls. I can pull them out only about 12" max. I really love a detailed midrange and treble with an airy, but not bright response and would be using with Dirac which might help the overpressure concerns. I have 2 SVS SB-3000 subs which integrated well after using a Umik-1 and REW. These will be my last pair (so truly end game due to health issues) and I would really appreciate anyone's opinions between the CSS or the MoFi 8s. Thanks in advance!
For 3K I can buy Klipsch Heresy built in Arkansas. For less, I can buy KLH made in Indiana, or Wharfdale made in the UK. I have real reservations about buying something at this price that's made in China. Just because supply lines from there can change pretty drastically without warning. I understand the company isn't based there but that's cold comfort when the cone maker in Guangzhou changes things or quality control slips. Just my opinion in regard to paying more for things.
@@knish72 I thought the 5s were domestic but just the 9s. And the Lintons are half the price of the Mofi. I'm curious how they put the Union Jack on the back rather than saying where they're made though. I can do 1500 from China but 3000 is a bridge too far.
Personally, I don't understand needing a frequency range up to 30KHz. There is little musical material above about 15KHz, and humans hearing tops at 20KHz anyway. Little things like that are just a bit of a niggle point for me. Low bass is similar, if using for music, but the speakers dont go below human hearing perception. Sure, these may be great speakers. $3000 great? Well, the description sounds reasonable. Just don't get why they want to aim frequency range so far above what is needed.
guess that satan slip isn't that uncoherent as rock used to be christened its music anyway. Love what you've done with that living room deco. the plants are killing it! What kind of fern was that one?
When comparing budget speakers like the bs41, you said they can compare in some aspects to more expensive speakers, (Dali)...now...which budget speakers sound, maybe 70%-80%, as well as the Mofi? Maybe 60%?
What small studio type speakers would you use alongside a PC monitor that have decent bass but aren't huge? I usually like 6.5" woofers but for a desktop that probably doesn't make sense.
I was on the same quest and tried several speakers. I really like Cambridge Audio’s SX-50s on Kanto stands. I’ve had them for a couple of years with no desire to upgrade
3000 ..for 1000 .i buy some 15" pro bass speakers...8" mids and 1" high driver with short wave guide..100db/1w ..simple second order crossover with decent caps and selfs....easy to buy second hand ...❤
If you wanted pro speaker sound, then you did it for $1000🎉These are not meant to be voiced that way, and they don't want multiple drivers which is no longer a source point speaker. Your larger bass drivers are less detailed and miss the coherence with upper frequency and time arrival. I bet Andrew's crossover is pretty well designed too considering my experience with his past speakers. But, hey I never cared much for Cerwin Vega's when I heard them back in their "heyday"😊
@@mikelanier5617 indeed , but i talk about tad...modified jbl's...fane studio8m....a 1"driver like the faital pro hf 104 plays as the best dome tweeters but with realistic dynamics...know that the M1 speakers from Mark Levinson ,the 'Daniel Hertz'...uses pro beyma 18" and 12" and 1" driver...and it does not sound disco....it sells 190.000 dollar , and i buy these components for 2500 euro without the boxes
Its a little ridiculous the Sourcepoints 10's are $1000 more but essentially the same design, engineering and components but with a slightly larger enclousre.
Hey Randy. If you've still got the Fosi V3 you might want to pick yourself up the optional 48V/5A power supply. I've heard it runs (with the help of an active crossover & a good sub) the smaller model Magnepans, like LRS+, 0.7 and 1.7. If what I've heard about the LRS+ is true, it could be a very affordable endgame system & worth a test. I've also heard Fosi may be considering making mono amps for bi-amping.
@@dropthehammer1360 I don't know about way above but yes, labor costs would add the to final price. I'd really like to know what the true cost of these is if you add up design and development time, materials, manufacturing, and any other overhead costs.
@@dropthehammer1360 Are the components and construction that different from the Zu Audio DWX which start at $1400.00 a pair? Simialr size and made in Utah
