Agree with all you said in the video. And also need to say, that spending 300 USD for a new cheap laptop is such a waste of money. I always recommend buying a second hand T series Thinkpad to my friends and they never have regret it. Great video there!
I cringe when I see someone spend so much money on some junk $200-300 Wal-Mart Special, they can get *any* used laptop for less and they'll be better off.
Got a T460s recently with the 1440p display option, it's amazing to use and plenty fast (had to adjust display scaling to 125% as 100% is too small to read!). Was surprised at just how lightweight it is too! Shame they removed the PowerBridge feature, and the fact it uses two internal batteries is very odd.
Picked up T460 with 16gb of ram, i5, and 128 gb nvme drive for $120 as a dedicated work laptop. These laptops are a great deal at these prices and I would say better than new $200-$300 laptops from the likes of HP and Dell.
@@nh-vt5ws Look for a ThinkPad T440p. That should check off most if not all of the boxes on your list (DVD drive, storage upgrades, able to run PowerPoint/Word/RU-vid/etc).
Being a ThinkPad user both when I worked and now for casual computing, I appreciate knowing more about them. You did a great job of giving me more of an understanding. Thank You.
I have an X260 that I use as a "carry-around" (something I can just quickly toss in my bag while heading out the door), and a T470p as my "workhorse". A pretty good combination for my needs :)
just got my X260. Have the full loadout though, 1080p ISP display, i76600U, 32Gb DR4 RAM, 2TB SSD, LTE WWAN. Powerfull small machine. Really happy with it
@@Kanisterschaedel I still have my X260, but have hit quite a few limits with it (i.e. when working with multiple AVDs - Android Virtual Devices - and Flutter). It still "works" for what I need it to do, but was working quite slowly (I only have the i5 model with 16GB). I recently purchased a Dell Inspiron 16 5625 to use as a "carry-around" thin-and-light Linux workstation, and it's not bad. Has 8 cores, 16 threads, 32GB of RAM and a 2TB NVMe. It feels cheap (not built like a ThinkPad), and the keyboard feels "yuck" (nothing like a ThinkPad keyboard), but it gets the job done. Has a great screen, really good speakers, and battery life is good. Resuming from sleep didn't work for about 4 months after I bought it, but after a few kernel updates, it now works. Oh, I also had to replace the WiFi/Bluetooth card it came with, as that didn't play nicely with Linux. In short: the Inspiron 16 5625 hardware is okay (feels cheap), but the AMD Ryzen 7 5825U chip is surprisingly impressive.
@@MnemonicCarrier yeah the Notebook Ryzens are a force to be reckoned with. Those things are amazing. I’ve got an HP Elitebook from Work with a Ryzen7 in it and that thing is so much more powerful than the i5 in my T480 that I had before. But the Keyboard of the HP is absolutely atrocious. But it is hard to emulate the typing feel of a think pad.
In depth knowledge of the best Thinkpads is highly appreciated. Most of Thinkpad users will concur that the older T series are still desirable mainly of its classic keypad, upgrade options and durability aspect at a very reasonable cost.
I like the older models as well, but I can recognize some of the strengths of more modern machines (while also criticizing what I don’t like about them).
@@gustavo8708 nice, been looking for one here but couldn't get or the prices are just unreachable so opted for a different one, but surely if I get another chance I will take one.. I don't use the ports a lot but if needed extra ports will just take an expanding card or extension or whatever they call it for plenty of other ports :)
You bought your laptop from Mercari! I bought my two laptops: a T460 in 2018 for $200 and a touchscreen X250 for $140 in 2019 (although I got that for free because the seller sent me the wrong charger and I wanted to return it but the seller refunded me and let me keep the laptop).
I've gotten a handful of good deals off of there. Sometimes the search feature can be a little buggy but I've still made some nice purchases from there, including the T470s featured in this video.
Can i do video editing with one of these in 1080p? Which ones? I don't need editing 4k videos, just 1080p but fluid, or a good experience in 1080, that would be all I ask for😅😢
The newer, the better in that regard. None of these will be able to do it amazingly well but very basic video editing is doable. See if you can find a newer quad core machine like a T480 or T490, the extra cores may help in that regard.
I use a MacBook Pro for my daily work, but I just ordered a ThinkPad T460S to use in my basement workshop and garage. I need something that won't mind a bit of grease, grit, and sawdust. MacBooks are too precious and easy to damage with their glossy glass screens and shiny aluminum bodies.
A friend of mine uses those Thinkpad with the clunkpad, she asked me to check some of her works in her laptop, long story short, I kept accidentally touching the clunkpad, almost slammed it out of frustation. I feel better when she opted to send me the file by mail so I can work on it using my own laptop, a T530, I know giant touchpad might look enticing at first glance, but they are definitely no fun for typist.
I was able to get used to it after a while, but I still think it's tolerable *at best.* A traditional touchpad and dedicated buttons will always be superior in my eyes.
@@SebisRandomTech I can't imagine the frustation I would get if I am trying to get used to clunkpad. I'll probably try to stay with my T530 for as long as humanly possible. Although, the new Ryzen Thinkpad really entices me.
I think I'll attempt the dual->quad-core BGA upgrade for the x230, I have a hot air station and have fiddled with BGA chips in the past, sounds like a very compelling machine once upgraded to a 3615qe
Picked up a t440 for 50€ today. The keyboard is broken and it doesn't even have the powerbridge 😂 Thinking of upgrading it a little since it feels so nice to use compared to my (much more modern) ideapad flex 5. But the i5 4300u definitely remains a weak spot
I appreciated your review on this video and the T480 and T480s units as I purchased a T460s to side step the problems that you had predicted on the T470s and T480s usb-c charging ports and the thunderbolt 3 port challenges. More and more reviewers are finding these problems as well on these and newer units. Thank you.
I have a t460s and prefer it to my t495s (AMD). The latter has more cpu grunt but the 460s has a 1440 panel and a 930m dgpu. It also doesn't have the whiney fan. They're nearly identical in size which goes to show the t495s needlessly dropped the full size ethernet and sd card reader. I also have a xeon p50, w540 (touchpad swapped) and previously had an x220 and t410, both sold for ridiculous money considering the age. Perhaps it was just the old style keyboards, but I'm used to the new ones. I don't miss the swappable battery because... I don't live off grid.
Inspired by your videos, I have purchased a W541 i7 4701mq ($187), X250 i5 5300 ($136) and L380 i5 8250 ($193), two ultra docks ($12) from ebay. All are in pristine condition featuring SSDs and 16GB RAM each and very good battery life. With less than $550, my mobile and workstation setup is flying. Thanks for the inspiration and keep up the good work!
@stonks First of all, you should know your computer specifications requirement. Needs must be fulfilled now. Wants may wait. That will narrow down your selection. Now, with enough time and focus on Ebay, you will eventually find good deals. Pro tips: try to find individual seller who is selling his/her laptop from work. Often these are first hand used and most like to be in better shape; but be ready to pay a bit premium. On the other hand, try to find out Bulk sellers/recyclers who are involved in charity; usually they sell at much cheaper price than others. Best offer works better than auction; at least for me. I have bought W541 from an individual, X250 from a bulk seller and L380/Docks from a charity seller; all through best offers. One note of Caution: try to avoid sell posts/message with harsh language. If the seller is rude before selling a product, s/he wont be any nicer afterward. If you don't get exactly what was in the post, dont be afraid to ask for partial refund (if that's ok to you) Or just refund it. Often, sellers with good intention will agree for partial refund if the product really differs and you still want it at lower price. Be Honest to yourself before such claim, though. Good Luck.
The Trouble with the newer Laptops is that all the manufacturers have made them to weak and compact like APPLE , also they have taken out all the good features like CD/DVD drive, the charging ports have become a nuisance where they are abit on the weak side and like you said driver issue for the charging port was a problem, They copied apple when it comes to soldering on board the memory and when you do that you end up risking the soldering to come undone when the and if the memory heats up - same to with the the hard drive, The older ones were yes built better - shame that all of the manufactures had to become a copy cats of apple. The only one I think hasn't copied apple is Alien ware....
I can strongly advise everyone to stay away from Lenovo's new E series Thinkpads. Both the E14 gen 1, E14 gen 2 and E15. I've tried them all and hated every one of them. If you config any of these with a dgpu you'll regret it since your entire laptop is now a heat bomb, throttling into oblivion with it's single heatpipe (on the E14 for example). They've all got dim screens, meh performance and horrible build quality. I hope this helps some others! Also let me know what you think if you own one of these laptops!
The E series has always been junk. I think the modern options are generally better than the original "Edge" models from the early 2010's, but I generally stay away from them as a whole and suggest others do the same unless it's all they can afford.
@deadbeef, I agree with that to an extent. Yes, the AMD E14 gen 2 has two heatpipes, but that shouldn't be a 'feature'. They're designing their new ThinkPads with the wrong compromises in my opinion. Having only a single heatpipe for a CPU and dedicated RX640 GPU in the E14 for example is just plain stupid. Why not add two heatpipes? You can't say the engineers forgot to add them. It's clear to me that they're purposefully making their E series (and possibly other models I haven't tried) shit so you'll go buy their more expensive models, but why? I wouldn't expect a 500 nit screen from a 'budget' (and I say that loosely, because their higher configs can get pricy pretty quick) ThinkPad, but they haven't come much further in recent years and are still stuck with garbage low brightness panels. Laptops from 2013 had comparable or even better displays than what Lenovo's offering now in 2020 moving into 2021. Quickly touching on build quality; It could be true that it's much better than it was with previous E series models like you say (I haven't tried them), but still nowere near what I expected. The plastic feels super cheap, the screen hinge is poorly constructed, is off center and creaks when adjusting the angle. The base plate, while made from aluminium etc. sounds nice on paper and for marketing, however I wouldn't trust it to add any protection to the laptop in the event of even a small drop or bump. It's a thin later of metal which quickly resorts to flimsy plastic which makes up the rest of the base. Soldering one stick of memory onto the motherboard is unfortunate, but that's one of the drawbacks I'd personally be able to live with. Just spec it as high as possible from the factory and you'll always have the option to double that when you need it. I too find upgradability important, and Lenovo often still gets praised for having "general common sense and providing easy access to internals for upgrades or repairs". If that's so, why is it that no one is talking about the aweful clip system that Lenovo is still stubbornly using on their bottom panels, usually resulting on it never fitting back on without a bulge or gap after removing it. Or how the keyboard is now baked into the design requiring full disassembly to replace. So many people still praise Lenovo for making 'the most durable laptops to date' and that was possibly true 10 years ago, but not anymore from how I see it. I'd also like to quickly giggle at how their new "redesigned from the ground up" cooling solution as seen on the ThinkPad P15 is literally an exact ripoff of the now almost three year old Dell Precison 7530. Same angles and everything! Great innovation coming straignt from Lenovo. Do you own the E14 Gen 2 @deadbeef? I'd like to hear what you think! Kind regards, Sunny
I would go for T480 rather than T470p for: - way better baterry life for 15W processors, you can tweak kabylake-r processor very easily and an i5 8250U would have the same performance as i7 7700HQ at 35W PL2. - thunderbolt support - thinner and lighter - power bridge
Very surprised I was featured in a screencap in a video 😅 Since then I have had my T470. From my experience, it has great battery life, and offers great value. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the trackpad, but its useable. The keyboard is fantastic, and is probably my favorite non-mechanical keyboard. It has enough features for me to be fine with it. I didn't expect much from the laptop. I snatched a good deal on mine. Happy Holidays!
Not too far back I bought a base model t440 with a cracked 1366x768 display for around $70. Threw in a couple ssd's (m.2 and a sata ssd just for fun), the t450 trackpad, and the 1080p screen and I was all in at about $180. I used it for school until... well... you know. It worked great, and I still use it as my main laptop now. (I'm a little late to this video, whoops).
I'm going to buy a laptop, but I want one that is good for gaming, which one do you recommend? My budget is 200 to 300 bucks (i looking for the 440p but idk)
If you want to stick to ThinkPads, the W540 or W541 might be more suitable, as those have better graphics cards. You might not be able to find one for $200-300 but I’ve seen a few pop up around there. Outside of that it may not be bad to look at some of the cheaper new AMD laptops out there. Anything better would likely be out of your price range.
I am a Lenovo ThinkPad nut. I own a mid level medical type company. At any given time we have from 25-35 staff. We needed a minimum of 1 pc per 3-4 staff members for their data logging requirements. I tried cheep slim line desktop type pcs. Not a good idea. I am an old school PC tech from the mid 1990's - Mid 2000's. I found the ThinkPad docking stations and already had the monitors. So I put docks all over the facilities, and found a boat load of Lenovo ThinkPad X240 Laptops. I refurbished them. Found out that a 42mm M.2 SSD will fit in the SIM card spot. Then I put a 2TB HDD with BitLocker Encryption for HIPPA compliance. They are supper portable and for the unit, the HD screen swap, the SSD install, the spinning HDD, and maxing out the RAM. Each unit cost about $200. I was able to issue almost every staff member their own unit. So no sharing. Now that being said I had gone through T420 units, not my favorite, My personal unit was a P440. I installed a i7-4710 Quad Core CPU and 16GB of DDR3L, With an NVIDA Dedicated GPU with 1GB of VRAM. I pulled the Optical drive and added an additional 2T HDD, and 1T 42mm M.2 SSD with an additional 2TB SATA drive. Unfortunately My eye sight is starting to go. I had to have a unit that will doc with my docking stations around my offices and Lenovo does not support the old school connectors any longer. Now they use the USB-C docks. I was lucking and found a Lenovo ThinkPad P50. It has a Xeon 3 CPU, with 32GB of DDR4 RAM, some great NVMe Slots. Now you have to pick SATA or NVMe but those new PCIe SSDs are a lot less expensive. Plus it has a 15.6 inch display over my old 14 inch display. Plus it has 4GB dedicated VRAM. I got this unit for $350.00, (1) 2TB NVMe SSD, (2) 16GB DDR4 2166 RAM. and a New HD Screen for an additional $225 ish. This works with all my Docking stations. Its an awesome work station for me.
Not so long ago I got a used x260 for around $300 in decent configuration. It's super portable, in comparison to my older T430. They surprisingly common on the used market here in Ukraine.
If anyone wants an alternative to Thinkpads I would highly recommend looking at a Dell Precision m4000 or m6000 series. They offer extraordinary I/O and superior upgradability. Another option could be an HP Elitebook, which features great upgradability as well. However, I still have a fair bit of respect for these Thinkpads and wouldn't blame you for using them for many years to come.
I’m interested in looking at an Ivy Bridge HP ProBook, it’s a 12” machine like the X230 that has an upgradeable CPU. Probably the best ThinkPad that isn’t a ThinkPad!
The HP EliteBook 2570p is the one I'm thinking of. 12.5" screen, Ivy Bridge architecture, upgradeable CPU, ExpressCard and optical drive...really would be an intriguing machine to check out.
@@SebisRandomTech I agree. There's a ton of other stuff unlocked inside as well and I certainly would like to see some Expresscards that are a bit more ... obscure.
Although I'll always like my m4600 or m6700, which butts heads with the HP equivalents of the time period. Plus they got MXM on board for some slight graphics fenagling, albeit there are also HP laptops with similar MXM cards that are more upgradable. Anyways, can't wait to see whatever older devices you happen to come across.
This is actually very Helpfull was going to buy a T440 but the Upgradebility of RAM made me reconsider because the difference between a t440 and a t470s is about 100$ in my region right now
With the X270 you still get a removable battery, upgradeable ram and a dock connector, but also usb-c, nvme support and a 7th gen intel Kaby lake. Still kinda expensive though
Theres a deal in a local place for an T430 with an i7-2620M and 4gb ddr3 and a 330gb hd for like 60$. Im not sure if I should go for it or not. The only thing it for would be used for is playing minecraft and webbrowsing. Should i go for it or nah?
So before watching this video I got a T470p for 100 dollars on Facebook Marketplace. The guy selling it did not like the screen which I'm glad because I was able to get such a great laptop.
The L14 and L15 don't have everything but they are moving towards the classic T expandability and durability. There will never be hot swap batteries again because USB batteries are better in every way. Eventually you won't be able to replace Thinkpad batteries but will still be able to use USB batteries.
What happens when USB batteries are obsolete? 😅 Just kidding, but you do have a point there. I just find the removable battery to be more convenient at the moment. We’ll see if that sentiment changes once Lenovo batteries are harder to come by.
@@SebisRandomTech Awesome. I would consider that new urbanist. Have you heard of Andres Duany, Chuck Marohn and Leon Krier? I've kinda become obsessed with it myself. If you look at European cities/towns/villages, compared to North America is completely insane that we thought this was a good idea. For me, the environment and economics is just the icing on the cake since I see it as just a more natural and beautiful way for us to be living. Highly recommend the Strong Towns podcast.
What thinkpad wpuld you reccommend for someone who needs a easily upgradable relatively modern Thinkpad with good screen options? i'd prefer 15inch screen if possible 1080p a must, 1440p. though i could get away with 14. I also need a decently good cpu, either upgradable or good from the factory. SMT/Hyperthreading is a must. quad core or above preferred if possible. does such a thinkpad exist?
The P series is your best bet. They have 15 and 17 inch models, 1080p to 4K display options, and while the CPUs can't be upgraded they are all high end i7/i9/Xeon options. They also support ECC RAM. Currently they have the P15, P17, and similar T-series models with the T15p and T15g. You can find an older model like a P52 or P53 if you want to save some money. Avoid the P15s, P53s, etc, as these are basically just rebranded T15/T590 machines with ultrabook processors. If you want something a bit thinner the P1 and X1 Extreme may also be worth considering.
Got a used 460s for myself for $100 with 12GB ram and 128GB storage. Probably gonna be upgrading the storage soon but its really worth the money. These laptops were built to stand the test of time. Not many out there with a 6th gen intel processor and have the upgradability options that these thinkpads give you.
If you need a Yoga/pen, either go with the first gen Yoga 12 (130-200 pounds for a dual core i5, 8 gigs and an ssd), or the first quadcores, with the L380/X380 (450-700 for a quad core i5/i7, 8-16 gigs, and an nvme.) Both have great IPS 1080p touchscreens and actually good battery life. Bought my i5 5300u 8 gig, 180 gig Yoga 12 for 130, and my i7 8550u 16 gig 480 gig X380 for 600! Both have been great in uni for notes and what not.
You can find a quad-core second gen processor for it, but that might run a little hot. For a substantial upgrade if you install something like Coreboot you can use Ivy Bridge processors in it, which would be more heat efficient.
Updates in 2024 for T14/T14s; T480; Or any recommendations for CAD light 1080 video rendering and below 1k number of orthophotos rendering (3d) use at construction site? Mil 810 would be better suited especially dusty environment
T420's are still great laptops! My recommendations here don't discredit other models, in fact I generally prefer a T420 over the newer offerings. Hard to beat the sweet price of free!
Great video, it beggars belief why they brought in a buttonless trackpad only to replace it in the next upgrade. Only use ThinkPads and have quite a collection. Your channel has given me great value in it's approach to keeping these machines going on into the future.😊
Noticed this video a couple of years late. I bought a Yoga 9i last year for almost $1000 because it's beautiful. But last week I bought a T460S (FHD 1ps) in excellent condition for $140. I prefer the latter! No functional difference for the few things I use a laptop for. Good review.
In my country I got the E460 at about $200 when other laptops about the same specs where around the $350 - $400 mark, used of course. Since then almost all the functioning laptops got a huge price surge and to find a good deal is almost impossible even for the sandy bridge ones. I'm really happy with my Thinkpad even if I can't access the bios, since I'm using it as a desktop replacement the unplugged battery will last for a long time and when everything goes back to normal I will get some T series as a long term project. Love your videos Sebi!
Just got a really good deal on a slightly banged up T470s with maxed out ram. Installed arch with i3wm on it and using it for web development at work. The CPU can struggle a bit with heavier web pages, but the experience overall has been better than expected. Feels like using i3 (or any other super light window manager) is a saving grace for this class of laptop.
I ended up getting a cheap L440 to replace my recently dead T440P. All mods moved over and are 100% compatible. Now I have a L440 with i7 processor, 16GB RAM, 2.5" SSD, 2.5" HDD, IPS FHD panel, backlit keyboard and finally, 4G modem. Left the clunkpad alone. As for the T540P, the keyboard broke recently and now using it on the dock.
I got a T580 with an i5 and 16 Gb RAM (no OS) for under $20, and my wife got a T590 wotj an i7 and 16 Gb RAM for $350. The T580 also showed up with a touchscreen, and I don't think the seller even knew about it. I swapped in a 61+ swappable battery and I'm getting DAYS of battery life.
Bought lowest-spec T450s new, with all the dongles, external CD drive, and fat battery. Downgraded it to Windows 10. Outlasted a Dell XPS "Macbook killer" I bought the same year. Daily driver until last year, will keep it till one of us dies of old age.
Got a T440p for around $90. Came with 8GB ram, HDD and an i7-4700mq. I have since upgraded it to the FHD IPS display, 16GB of RAM, 500GB m.2, 500GB SSD, 1TB hard drive caddy upgrade and an Intel i7-4910mq upgrade. It is a beast for my Dev work.
I picked up a W530 for IIRC less than $100USD several years ago, came with 4 or 8 GB ram, (dont remember) no HDD/SSD, an i7 3740QM, and quadro K1100. Now what is nice about this laptop, is the 4 RAM slots, an mSATA and SATA slot for 2 SSDs, and an optical drive for an additional SSD Oh, and lets not forget the 1080p IPS panel. Once i replace this laptop with the Thinkcenter M75Q gen2 that i picked up for $530 with Ryzen 7 4750GE , i'll probably donate it to one of the students at work. Now i realise this isnt and 'ultraportable' but it isnt that bad if you're a big person like me
just kidding, i have also a modded x240 that i can bring everywhere without feeling that I am carrying anything at all. But thinking about upgrading to a t480 because of the small screen and low end processor :)
Hi there. I noticed you never mentioned options from the X lines. Any particular reason for that? I'm looking for something portable to replace my X220, and your video made me inclined to look at the T460S, but I really love the portability of the 12-13 screens. what do you say?
The X260 or X270 would be good equivalents to the T460s with a 12" screen, they are just generally a bit pricier and harder to find than the 14" ThinkPads. Still very solid laptops if you can score a good deal on one!
I use lenovo t570 Nvidia crd core i7 and it works great. i also upgraded the sata ssd to m.2 ssd. and put 24gb of ram in it and works really fast. it has one usb c Thunderball port which is actually really good 3 usb a hdmi and android and the charging port and sd card reader. laptop is thin but it tank still. and it very well built. and no it doesn't bend when you pick up like the e15 or some or laptops do . because of the cast iron frame
making a case in favor of the T470s. in the case of physical loss of the power connector on the laptop, you can still power up the laptop through the thunderbolt port ... :D
Not to mention the power connector is easily replaceable (plugs into the motherboard and replacements are like $5-7 on eBay), unlike newer models which rely solely on Thunderbolt and have the port soldered on to the main motherboard.
@@SebisRandomTech is the power connector for the T470 also easily replaceable? I just bought a T470 from eBay in immaculate condition. It has a 1080 IPS screen and the thunderbolt port is compatible with my Dell D6000 dock. The Thunderbolt cord powers the laptop and outputs video to three 24" 1920x1200 external monitors via the dock. I use the T470 for productivity. I am not a gamer.
First of all thanks for your videos, I subscribed. I'm not an IT guy at all. I'm considering buying a refurbished T450S (20BX0011MH) Intel Core i5-5300U, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD. ( 8GB DDR3 / LED 14” 1920x1080 (Full HD) / Intel HD Graphics 5500) It will be a laptop for my 13 year old daughter for school and she also likes to play Minecraft and some other games that don't require too much. Price is 399 euros. What do you think? Thanks in advance.
I recently bought a t470p with an i7 7700hq and 1050! It had 8gb ram and a 128gb ssd but I upgraded to a 1tb nvme ssd and 16gb RAM. Don't intend on upgrading at all
Hi, Do you think that the L14 (amd) despite his low end materials is the rightfull heir of the T480? I am considering buying an L14 because of -the double unsoldered RAM slot (so up to 64 GB dual channel) -upgrade of the wwwan slot to ssd as for the T14 -less thin profile (good for heat dissipation) -may be tweaking an external GPU connected via the original ssd slot; On the other hand, the display is very poor according to the reviews on the net. Do you know if it is possible to replace the screen of the L14 with a T14 panel? Thank you.
I’m sure you can replace the panel with ease. While the L14 isn’t perfect and still has some bad design choices in my opinion (MicroSD instead of full sized SD slot, no removable/expanded battery, fan placement, soldered charging ports), it’s as close as you can get to a modern upgradeable 14” T series. If you opt for the AMD version that was just released, you may get better performance too.
I got myself a e15 g2 and for me its defenitely one of the best ThinkPads. Because - fast fingerprint sensor - fast prozessor - good battery live - relatively thin - ~600 bucks (brandnew) So defenitely worth its money
1:14 That's interesting, I live in Poland and when I was shopping for an ultra cheap laptop (under $180) this summer, there were more X-series available (X230, X240 sometimes X220) than anything else. I got an X230 for 147$.
I am loving my 1st gen x1 yoga. Having had multiple older thinkpads and one with a classic keyboard, I miss a lot of the upgradeability and the ability to play around with the laptops. The best way I have to explain it is that although the older laptops are fun to upgrade and learn about, the newer ones are more practical and easier to use for me personally. I miss the days I had of jumping around between different laptops day by day, but the newer one just makes more sense to use all the time. I mostly miss the ability to multi-boot with different drives, and I'm sure if my model wasn't maxed out I would want more RAM. I also think the speed is significantly worse even compared to third gen dual core. Ultimately though, it's a worthwhile jump and I no longer feel like my laptop is inadequate in any way. I think the best value for someone shopping for a modern laptop is the x1 carbon 3rd-4th gen and x1 yoga 1st gen. I was truly amazed by how much they packed into mine, and it seemed like it was overall rather little compromise.
Glad you're happy with your Yoga. I don't mind the original X1 Carbon (2012) despite its lack of upgradeability. For my uses I prefer a slightly chunkier machine though ;)
