I just watched he's moive and he feels more like a modern Doctor than any of the older ones I have only seen like 2 and half serals tho the deleks and the 3rd Doctors first one wnd half the second one 7 episodes way to much so I didn't finish it
When it actually dawns on New Who showrunners they have the means to do their own Five Doctors story, if they can't get Ecclestone back, McGann could definitely be used in his stead. The 8th Doctor walks that line between Classic and New that none of the others before really can.
Moffat did a story with 3 doctors and he wanted eccelston he wouldn't come back so you'd think he'd just get macgan but nope he makes a brand new doctor for the time war for no reason atall
I was never more angry than when I found out they were NOT letting McGann's incarnation be the one who fought in the Time War. This was a huge mis-step on the showrunners part.
I agree. The 8th would have been the Doctor doing his thing but over the course of the war he sees horrors and commits horrors himself to try and make things right. We could have also have a series of his own AS the Time War. We follow him over the course of the war. By having the war doctor exist we lose a full era of Doctor sho
Paul McGann's my favourite actor to play the role, by far. He was basically the mind-bleep Doctor. Going into a story, expect that reality itself will be turned on its head, and that not everyone will leave as sane as they went in. Forget twist endings -- McGann's were twist stories. (Also, Charley is my favourite companion of all time -- TV stories included -- with Evelyn a very close second. From Storm Warning to The Girl Who Never Was, her stories were nearly all gems. And then there's her arc with [SPOILER]. Great stuff.)
Kitty Kittykitty the abstract nature of 8’s early stuff is some of my favourite Who ever. I love how in over their head and experimental Big Finish were/are
i will say, having him be the doctor that was the Time War doctor works so much better thematically, as he is the nostalgic romantic type of doctor, and having him fight in the time war really sets up the "loss of innocence" that later doctors had, as he is portrayed as a mix of classic/new type doctors
Eighth Doctor is the best doctor we never really got - I strongly believe that if he had 3 seasons of Davies’ stories; he’d probably be the most iconic doctor - if not, defo up there with Baker and Tennant in terms of iconography.
Seasons of Fear - BUT NIMON The Conscript - it’s what I expected Phobos- 🤷♂️ Dark Eyes- TECHOBABBLE TIME I honestly can’t remember much about this set The TV movie - BLASPHEME !!!!
sadly that seems like the majority experience with him, so many fans being told about and acknowledging how great he is in his audio dramas but only a minorty few that have actually listened to them
McGann is definitely the paving stone for Modern Who. Modern intro, modern companion, modern romantics, he’s basically the cookie-cutter New-Who Doctor with so much more included
8 is my favorite Doctor except for Capaldi. Paul McGann played the part perfectly even in the TV movie and he is so underrated. I would love to have at least one season of the TV show with him. Charley is one of my favorite companions ever. The Chimes of Midnight is my favorite Big Finish audio of all time and I actually really like Seasons of Fear.
The Worst: Seasons of Fear [3:59] The Conscript (from: The Eighth Doctor - Time War (vol. 1)) [5:16] Phobos [7:52] X and the Daleks (from: Dark Eyes) [8:59] Doctor Who (TV movie) [10:36] The Best: Scherzo [11:55] The Chimes of Midnight [12:49] The Flood [13:39] The Silver Turk [14:36] Terror Firma [15:48]
Lucie bleedin' Miller was my childhood. (Which is crazy to think, but can you believe the Eighth Doctor Adventures line is around 14 years old?) It breaks my heart for you to dunk on her like this. Admittedly, when I go back to listen to those audios, they're more camp than I remember and nothing compared to Charley's run. But there are some absolutely phenomenal standouts, including the first time an audio drama made my cry uncontrollably - Lucie Miller/To The Death, her two-part final story, which is as heartbreaking as it sounds. Her stories can reach some astounding narrative heights, and it's a pity that people who don't like her very much can't really experience them.
This was a very well done video, I adore the tongue and cheek humor you brought to it and I admit I giggled/fangirled a bit when you did the whole talk about convential attractiveness and how damn pretty McGann is. Thank you.
Seasons of Fear is one of my favorite audios so I laughed out loud when the worst list started! Edit: just realised you used my Silver Turk drawings for that segment. nice.
I can do cheesy and pantomime when a story advertises up front that that is it's intention, but this one didn't land for me. Edit: all of your 8 stuff is my favourite. The old Chimes illustration is fantastic.
Eight is definitely one of my favorite doctors, both because of how terrific Paul Mcgann is and how many great stories he's in across different mediums.
The Lucy Millar series has some great stories, like blood of the daleks, human resources, to the death, the Christmas story where Lucy almost dies and finds out that the doctor has been lying to her to the point where she leaves, the story with the monk and the ice warriors, where the actions of the doctor are questioned, etc.
I'm still working through the Eighth Doctor myself. Getting through this Doctor is a process. It really is because there are so many stages of his life.
The repeating Doctor categories seem to be... Grumpy old man (Hartnell, C.Baker, Tennant version 2) Childish clown favours bow tie (Troughton, McCoy, Smith) Hard serious man favours black and white Victorian style outfits (Pertwee, McGann, Capaldi) Toothy grinning madman (T.Baker, Eccleston, Whittaker) Bland handsome nice guy with a neat suit (Davison, Tennant version 1) Notice how each incarnation is like a rebellion in opposition to an aspect of the previous one. And after the first "rebirth" then each five lifetimes is like one standard lifetime from child to old man, with a lot of changes along the way.
I'm trying to get a bit more into the audio stories, starting with the Tenth Doctor adventures and Jenny: The Doctor's Daughter, but I'm also trying out the Eighth Doctor Adventures as they're available on Spotify, I can't say much on them yet as I've not heard too much but what I've heard of Blood of the Daleks it feels like quite a good story as the Daleks are particularly scheming. My favourite line so far is "The Doctor must be... He must stand trial" as it really sells the idea that the Daleks are trying to fake the whole idea of being allies but it's not in their nature to even pretend to have a diverse range of emotions. It's definitely a better representation of the Daleks than they have been getting on TV recently.
Spare Parts is an absolute Must-hear. Very fortunately, it is one of the Big Finish Doctor Who audios that has been put on Spotify for free. That was how I listened to most of McGann's stuff, but I'm going to buy the rest at some point because I love that man so much.
I've heard of that one, not got round to it yet, but I'll get there at some point, working through the Eighth Doctor Adventures but it would seem much of that beyond series 1 isn't on there.
Currently doing a listen of 8s run with Charlie. He quickly became my favorite doctor after Chimes of midnight and Seasons of Fear actually. The villains in seasons were silly and camp, but the acting from Mcgann in that one really pulled me along. My favorites atm are Scherzo and A Natural History of Fear. I can't believe two 9/10 stories were released almost back to back, with the absolute wet fart that was creed of the kromon in between.
Thank god for BF putting the main range on Spotify. I always had a soft sport for 8 even before I heard the audio dramas, I quite liked some aspects of the TV movie (like the tardis design). If they didn't put them on there I would never have discovered all the awesome and inspirational stories 8 had.
1:24 I agree with this categorization, except for the 9th doctor. He's not really a clown hobo. More like a war veteran clowning around to conceal his pain. His action oriented attitude is closer to the 3rd doctor but since he's not a dandy either, I think 9 is his own category.
Ziusudra He definitely is an actor who borrowed the least from other actors, but that “Ello!” Smile and working class battered leather approach to the role was inspired. He extends into the romantic, but I named the category with him in mind.
3:28 “Okay, most conventionally attractive Doctor ranking, let’s go!” Honestly chuckled at that. And tbh, I agree with the whole ranking. David Tennant’s definitely the most conventionally attractive Doctor with Paul McGann a very close second, Peter Capaldi’s too silver fox-y to not be third, Jodie Whittaker’s absolutely gorgeous so she deserves fourth, and if you ignore the outfit then you can see why Colin Baker is definitely fifth.
i REALLY want them to give mcgann a tv series. i don't know how but they should definitely do it. they missed the chance to bring him back in the 50th by casting john hurt. they'd better write at least a special with the 8th doctor in it soon. like come on. hands down the best doctor. also, paul mcgann has an amazing voice i don't think anyone else would've done that well being relegated to audio only
McGann became one of my faves due to Big Finish's Dark Eyes/Doom Coalition/Time War and I wish he and Capaldi(my other fave) got to team up. I like that Big Finish thoroughly tested his pacifism and Chibnall could take a page from that.
It's interesting watching these again when I've listened to a bunch of these. I really didn't like Seasons of Fear but I thought Phobos was alright. I didn't love the Silver Turk as much as others seem to though.
Interesting choices. I actually really liked Series 1 & 4 of 8th Doctor Adventures but Phobos was definitely the weakest story of the bunch. I quite liked Seasons of Fear too, certainly more so than Invaders from Mars or Time of the Daleks. If you can't tell, I LOVE the 8th Doc and his Big Finish run. A personal favourite of mine is Time Works. It blends the Fairytale with the SciFi in a way they tried but never really managed with the Matt Smith run. Does Solitaire count also? I know McGann technically isn't in it, but...
Is Time Works the one with the clock people? And yeah, i'd count Solitaire. We need to. I'm aware i'm the outlier in not liking the Radio4 Miller run, apart from Human Resources I felt like putting them all on there together really, Phobos was just the scapegoat.
SamyulDavis That's right. I'm aware I have a bias towards that story as it was actually my very first (lent it from a friend). Don't worry about outlying opinions, I have plenty of them. People hate Minuet from Hell but I love it. I also sort of liked Chibnalls run on Torchwood xD. Also, Google just tried to autocorrect Chibnall to Chin Balls.
I know this video is 4 years old now, but I want to point out that the US also has a bunch of Big Finish stuff on Spotify as well. Really glad about that too, Big Finish is amazing!
I wish the BBC would give McGann a series finally while he still looks young enough to pull it off. Maybe it would bring the series back from the abyss it's fallen into.
My top 10: 1. Storm Warning 2. The Chimes of Midnight 3. Horror of Glam Rock 4. An Earthly Child 5. Neverland 6. Zagreus 7. Sisters of the Flame/Vengeance of Morbius 8. Blood of the Daleks 9. Night of the Doctor 10. Invaders from Mars!
The Conscript actually isn't bad. I'd argue it is genius in that it's small scale keeps it from making the universe smaller. And it's a glimpse into rebellious Academy Doctor. This isn't BF's "Gallifrey". If you're hesitating on the box set because of that one story, my advice is go for it.
I AM a particular kind of Doctor Who fan. His (novels) time as the Doctor was when my fiction writing was the most prolific. The BBC novels were the only thing that got me through the Interregnum. That void of time when Doctor Who was off the screens...
they really should have him on tv or crossover with the newest Doctor would be neat , now granted Im a guy from across the pond but # 8 was probably the best Doctor in my opinion as far as the look of the Tardis went and they could somehow visit him before the events of the timewar,which I think was epic by the way!And like you say hes still young they should utilise him that would be so cool or at least for us fans cause I dont speak for anybody else at this point but who is the best stuff on TV...
I love the Eighth Doctor for being a romantic doctor, but not in the lovey-dovey sense. I feel like he's more of a poet-like character rooted in the Romanticism movement of the late 1700s and early 1800s-- even his costume matches this! I want another doctor like this again.
You nailed this perfectly. He's a rather cold doctor with a romantic aesthetic. It's actually bizarre we haven't had another Victorian-themed Doctor in the new series, it used to be the default. Imagine if Whittaker had gone for that angle, that way it could be tried&tested and seem new at the same time!
McGann is the Doctor that entered the Time War and fought the Dalekes , that had the guts to say enough and battle , no more running , the first doctor that (and that is my own thoughts had 2 console interiors before Matt Smith had his 2 . The 1996 one was too posh and well build to be used in warfare and the time that the Doctor can reach to the old console , he might have lost his life , and so the dirty dingy interior that the War Doctor/9/10 had taken shape from the McGann era onward . A good man going to War does not need a push interior just the bear necesities and that interior of the War Doctor i like to belive came from his era . + The Tardis changing mid battle would be considered a hassle to the War Doctor, as the controls change with the enviroment as well and he used the Tardis as it was left from MgGanns era ) . Dont know if that is cannon in any way , but to me it makes best sense .
I think Mcgann is the doctor in many ways. He could have just stoped with the movie but he came back and has done so much to shape the doctor to how own. Like he has Charlie, Lucy, the two comic companies and he’ll even Mary Sheri as a one time companion. Not to mention his acting on audio and the movie are great.
I'll be honest, I didn't really get all the hype over Rob Shearman's stuff. 🤷♂️ I liked Mary as a companion, I felt she complimented McGann's Edwardian adventurer Doctor better than the others myself. It's just a shame they didn't do many more stories with her.
Even if we didn't see the 8th Doctor more on screen outside of a bad movie and a excellent mini episode I'm just grateful we got Paul McGann as the Doctor he's a splendid actor one of the finest to be in the role and Big Finish made the 8th Doctor truly one of the finest Doctors.
If I remember correctly, When I first saw his Doctor, I thought he looked like Beethoven, and I think that's why I gave him that nickname, I actually really love McGann's Doctor because of how mysterious he is, due to not getting a full series on screen and I honestly hope the rumors about the a TV Show is true and that Disney doesn't F***k it up, which most likely would happen anyway, BUT I DON'T CARE!
Look up Secrets of the Castle, McGann narrates it, which pumps up my rating of it by 3 points at least. (the other 5 points coming from the fact that it's a medieval documentary)
Best 5.horror of glam rock 4.night of the doctor 3.chimes of midnight 2.scherzo 1.the flood Worst 5.seasons of fear 4.dark eyes 3.part 3 of the time war volume one because I couldn't put the other 2 their 2.phobos 1.doctor who tv movie
Let me recommend RU-vidr Poparena for that if you don’t follow him already. I’ve only read a handful, but that’s definitely his area of Who expertise. Fun videos too. (I like Lungbarrow though)
I live how 8 despite appearing in a movie and minisode (like 3 hours total) he is longest Doctor since he started audios in 2001 and still going strong while other Doctors stories are somewhere in between their 3 year run and are like fanservice in 8 case there is no tenure to begin with so everything happening is not just a good story for those who miss said Doctor but ongoing Cannon episodes like 9 10 or others but with no limit also 8 Doctor is dark people say 10 story is about him slowly going insane but my god 8 whole story is him breaking again and again until he gives up and becomes warrior he goes from happy romantic hero to a broken spiteful man who travels not to see the universe but to find hope in it to cling to only to get it destroyed
I watched the Doctor Who TV movie when it aired. It was on a Tuesday night on Fox in the US. That was still a time that Fox was willing to be experimental but they did have legit hit shows on air. But a Tuesday night during Mays sweeps was poor timing and there was no promotional support for this movie to speak of. If there had been some time travel in the story, it might have landed better.
@@Kasterborous1963 That's completely fine if you don't like the ones on Spotify. I personally don't have a problem with the ones on Spotify because The Holy Terror is one of my favourite pieces of media/art out there. The stories on there definitely aren't for everyone, quite a few of them are Big Finish's early episodes, where they were still discovering their identity and writing style. That being said, I still appreciate free Big Finish on Spotify, even if they aren't all amazing. Maybe I'm biased, no, I definitely am biased, but I still had a great time and would recommend a few of the stories on Spotify, including the flawed ones. Sorry to go off on this big tangent, after all, you were just expressing yourself in a concise and succinct manner, and I responded in a very drawn-out and overblown fashion. And don't get me wrong, I value your opinion.
P.S. You were very respectful in presenting your opinion, and I think tat deserves to recognized. And, upon rereading my original post, it sounded extremely pretentious, and I'd like to apologize for that. I need to find a better way of phrasing my words :)
@DAVIS RE BIG FINISH STORIES You're not fecking kidding. I've just checked on Spotify and there's ENDLESS and I mean infinite endless stories uploaded by many users. I'm still going to buy Big Finish. But wow. This literally left me with my jaw dropped and my mouth open in amazement. Thank you for the heads up. Because otherwise I'd have never thought of looking for them. The 8th Doctor is, ironically, the most mysterious and inaccessible Doctor. If the 7th was the one who kept his thoughts and plans to himself to win against his enemies then the 8th is open to people while keeping himself at a distance in an emotional way? He has this questioning quality to him where he coaxes people to reveal themselves to him. He's an explorer but I always get the feeling events come to him rather than him getting involved in them. Since the 5th and 7th Doctors are all aware of the Time War in different ways PERHAPS the 8th is the way he is because he knows deep down time is running out? One day he'll be given a choice and he'll never be the same again.
