Normal people don't know what its like to be the outsider that nobody gives a chance. You go through the whole thing and don't get past the interview because you aren't like them.
Totally. He just saved her from potentially years of trying to achieve what other people have already decided she can't have, like the time that he spent trying to make his brother proud of him. If Jimmy had been told that it was NEVER going to happen, then maybe he would've made different choices and not become Saul.
Since it’s been years later in the Event of breaking bad to this show, she might already be a lawyer. So it’s not far fetched that Jimmy calls her when he “Fixes it.”
I feel bad for him in the sense that he has many things wrong with his brain that make him not play by the rules and his inability to throw away his shady con man ways, but he doesn't help himself and is very selfish especially during the Davis and Main episodes and when he fucked off Kim's attempts to defend him in court initially.
@@macrons593 Yeah, I agree to you! It's just sad because he still revolves around the denied wish for acceptance by the "high" society, which is why he's sad. He only knows how to act out of spite, as a reaction to the people he sees as above himself.
When I saw this scene at first I thought that Saul was just playing another game here, trying to make her do something. But when he cried in the car I realized that he was a real person in this scene
@@mitchbaker5995 That's how I see it too, is such a great cautionary tale. Jimmy starts the speech, but by the end of it'sss Saul Goodman. Hope the girl didn't spiritually "died" too.
Yes. One of the handful of moments in the series (up to now) that he was being real. He appears emotional a few times in court without actually meaning it. But here he meant what he said without expecting anything in return and having no ulterior motive.
Part of what makes this scene so great is that Christie actually understands him. The deliberate "Yes", and the micro-nod at the end are so beautiful; it establishes this as a brief moment of genuine human connection.
@@Tekillyah Saying "yes" plainly would have sufficed in that case. But the "I think I do" followed by a deliberate look back at Saul indicates that, at the very least, his words have affected her. She doesn't give an affirmative - she shows unsureness, which isn't exactly what Saul wants to hear, but it's her being honest. If you're in an uncomfortable situation and want out, you're going to tell the person exactly what they want to hear to be satisfied: a "yes" in this case. But her "I think I do" may have opened up for Jimmy to feel the need to go into further elaboration - something she wouldn't want if she was just trying to leave. The fact that THIS is what was scripted for her to say and do means that the writers wanted to indicate subtly but in a realistic manner that this young woman really did heed Saul's words.
@@benkenobi3364 he was kind of forced to ruin howards life. i mean howard couldve given jimmy bigger fee after chucks death. before he died, chuck controlled everything, thats why jimmy got ,,of counsel fee" and not ,,partner share" yes, howard was forced to look down on jimmy because chuck ordered him to do so, however, howard couldve acted on his own after chucks death. jimmy did nothing but a little over the head prank on howard. he had been waiting long enough for his money. jimmy never intended to kill howard, situation got out of control and thats why howard died. howard couldve kept living like a king even after that embarrassment. so yeah, personally, i root for jimmy ALL DAY EVERYDAY. REMEMBER THIS IS THE MAN WHO CARED FOR HIS ARROGANT AND MEAN BROTHER WITH HIS WHOLE HEART. BUT STILL, WE ALL KNOW CHUCKS LAST WORDS TO JIMMY. FUVK YOU CHUCK.
@@Joplas99 he was pushed, and it isnt his fault. if chuck had not treated him like garbage since childhood, jimmy wouldnt have morphed into saul goodman.
@@shotaa_ts up to a certain point, yes. But not what he's doing now, even since the insurance he's been on the wrong side and he knows it. If having a tough childhood entitles you do wrong, then Walter did nothing wrong too.
As a man who once made a mistake. I agree 100 % with Saul. Not a criminal but former gambling addict who was too stupid to make something out of himself during his college years. People don't forget it and society/employers/schools don't look past it. He's right. That is exactly how people with power are. They will go out of their way to make damn sure that if you don't do things the way they did it, the way people who already have money do it, aka the expensive way, that you don't get to do it either any other way. So Saul is right, you don't need them. You cut corners, you be smart and you stop asking for them to give you anything and you go take it by doing the things those spoiled brats won't and you make it happen and you learn/earn some freaking pride along the way. You make it happen and you WILL make them angry for succeeding and you won't care because you won't respect them enough to give a damn about how they feel. Me at 28 after going to night school and nobody giving a damn about my extra skills that I learned late but I learned and only caring about the fact that I wasn't a great college gpa the first time around and they definitely didn't want anybody who wanted to get ahead or had problems like I used to. They did not want hungry and ambitious they wanted desperate and starving and willing and to take whatever they gave for as little as possible and better not think about getting ahead or learning anything else. Boot on throat world. 5 years later, I did exactly what Saul said. Went to get it and now I make what they make as a self-employed man in the legal field and I barely have to work 25 hours a week to make over 3 times what those sob's tried to force me to make working 50 and I'm still not done. And it was all legit (mostly). People give Saul crap for cutting corners after earning his degree from American Samoa and not going to law school "the right way." F them. Let them have to pay the bills and learn at the same time. I did and Saul found a legit way to get his degree. He gave up his nights. He have up his weekends to better himself and he passed the damn bar. He earned his damn right to be a lawyer. He freaking earned it. Everybody else who didn't have to work and go to school and got to go to school full time because they were born with the money or had help are the ones who are cutting the freaking corners. Saul did it the hard way. He probably would have been a different person if his jealous sob of a brother didn't intentionally go out of his way to keep Saul in the mail room just so he could feel better about himself by thinking that at least Saul was still beneath him.
You are the problem. Jimmy in this scene is the problem. I'm as far from rich as you can be (my profile pic was taken in a public library bathroom 6 months ago while I was living under a bridge and had just gone through a nasty covid bout without even a tent to sleep in), but this mindset is *the* problem of society today. Jimmy crying after is proof of this, whether Vince realized it or not. He knows he's a bad guy. People with your mindset want success, whether it serves the purpose of a healthy society or not. Then turn around and wonder why everything is so tainted. It's because of an endless series of people who will desperately grab at success for its own sake, for *their* own sake. You paint succeeding in a completely amoral world as an accomplishment. Anything you consider civilization was built by people who wanted what's best for *others*. You think you are breaking free with the mindset presented by your comment? You are just willfully placing the collar around your own neck and smiling at the satisfactory click.
The fact you see him cry unlike ever before, in a very real way when you sob painfully in your quiet isolation right after this moment says it all, and it's why it makes this show so spectacular. VINCE GILLIAN is the best character writer I've ever seen
@@Radb707 be is crying because he sees himself in that girl and knows all the pain and hardship he has endured and is crying out “no, no” because he doesn’t want that young girl to have to endure all he had to but she is trapped by past mistakes just as he is.
"The higher you rise, the more they are gonna hate you". As someone who has had a very similar path to Saul's in the legal world (didn't end up as amigo del cartel, but as a self made man rather than the Chuck-esque kind of lawyer everyone expected me to be when I was in Law school), that line hit me. Because it's fucking true. They never stop trying to bring you down, in one way or another. But it brought the best of me. Persevere, endure, resist, never surrender. Success is a long path if you are not privileged: Whether you choose to be self made like me or going through the "right" way, it's a long path. The key is to keep going.
It's basically how I feel as someone who wants to be a car designer, those are the people in charge of styling cars to make them look the way they do. Basically everyone in that field goes to a prestigious design school where they charge you 300k to learn how to sketch and come up with new product proposals. I couldn't afford it, and most of the people in the design community have their heads so far up their own asses that they're permanently high on methane. I taught myself how to do 3D modeling, improved my ability to present ideas, predict trends, and put together business cases, all while pairing that with a communications degree. I'm putting my portfolio together now, each product, each design was created with the intention of thinking differently, of giving people a reason to bet on me. I'm going to try and apply to smaller startups, and prove myself. You and I aren't going to let these self entitled pricks beat us.
That choice was just DISGRACEFUL. Better Call Saul should've got best actor for Bob and best supporting for Banks a long time ago, not to mention the show itself.
Moon Holiday it’s funny how it went from the greatest to the worst thing in the world real fast. Welcome to the internet. Oh well, I still love it. I guess that makes gay
@@SuperGezmo you understand the amount of work that goes into this show right? Sure it doesn't have the best writing but it has incredible acting back to back, great costume design, set design, music, you get it. Take this win as a tribute to all seasons of GOT. Hey, you still have season 1-5 of GOT.
@@iloveeveryone8611 Well, you should wait until you realise "taking that win by any means necessary" is the thing that gave birth to Saul and set him on his path to doom.
I feel like giving Cristy the scholarship was Jimmy’s last chance at trying to do things the right way, he realized he was never going to succeed playing by the rules, this wasn’t a speech for Christy, this was a speech for Saul
It's an incredibly realistic depiction of how society views ex-criminals. You make one mistake and they will never let you forget it. It's classic insider/outsider group psychology at work - nobody wants to be seen as a convict, so they won't give ex-cons a chance at redemption, so they just keep staying convicts. Criminal records are the modern day merit of shame: you committed a stupid mistake 10 years ago? Tough shit, you screwed up, we're never letting you in. Jimmy was encouraging her not to be so naive to believe in the hope that she'll ever be allowed into high society because she'll forever be known as 'the shoplifter'. Interestingly enough, The Kettleman's - a similar calibre of a people to the lawyers of HHM - committed a huge crime of embezzling millions of dollars, yet tried to rationalise away their crime and avoid taking responsibility for their actions. Hell, even Howard illegally trespassed across three neighbouring gardens when he, Chuck and the PI were waiting to stake out Jimmy. Meanwhile, Kristy Esposito, a woman who made a mistake to steal something (we don't know what, it could have been food for her family for all we know), is trying hard to turn her life around - much like Jimmy - but is getting nowhere fast. Life kicked Jimmy to the kerb, both literally and metaphorically. Every day has been an uphill struggle to get recognition. In Season 1 he's desperate not to be seen as the kind of lawyer 'guilty people hire', all the while held back by his own brother who refuses to see him as anything other than Slippin' Jimmy. In Season 2 he fights on Kim's behalf for HHM spitefully firing her, in Season 3 he has to battle off legal trouble with Chuck, whilst in Season 4 he struggles to convince the law panel he deserves to practice law. For what he's went through - working in the lowly mail room (and being kept there by Chuck who, had he discovered Jimmy's intentions to become a lawyer would have no doubt gone out of his way to stop him), working out the back of a nail salon and not being allowed to practice under his birth name from competition with HHM, to having to fight tooth and nail to get his law licence reinstated (resorting to the underhanded tactic of feigning remorse) - he's telling her in quite plain terms not to bother playing it straight as it won't do her any favours in the long run. There's a classist element to the conviction process, where those fortunate enough to have money and connections will not suffer the same stigma as say the working class bartender who stole some cash out of the till. HHM, Schweikart and Cokely, Chuck and Hamlin etc. embody the kind of elitist prudes who deride people like Kristy and Jimmy for trying to better themselves. I think that's why Jimmy didn't take the job at Davis & Main initially, then sabotaged his chances there, because he knew he wouldn't be accepted, even if he played it straight; he would still be viewed as an outsider in their eyes.
Not just ex criminals some people in general. The underdogs, Lone wolfs. The will to power rising to the top of the foodchain. Thats why jimmy mcgill and walt are my favourite characters they couldnt afford to be weak and low in life. Take what is yours we are all destined to be something great it doesnt matter how you achieve it.
Jimmy tells everything about his character in this scene. I strongly agree with him. We can't let others frustrating us just because they are unqualified or like showing power.
I don't know who writes Jimmy's dialogue, but damn it is eerie how close to reality it is. This speech right here is a perfect example of it. Just honest speak from a not so honest speaker. Great writing, great delivery. Bob Odenkirk is an amazing actor.
Girl too. Series like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon, etc really spare no expense for the hiring of the best actors even for the smallest parts and even the camera angle, directing, etc are top notch. Reminds me of this Latin saying we learned in Catholic school 'Maxime facere minima' (not sure if quoted right) like 'do your best even in small things.'
This was an amazing scene. Jimmy obviously feels really bad for this girl and, unlike the guys in HHM, he seems to care about her. But you get the sense that he's also talking about his own experience with HHM. Jimmy is never really accepted among the big-name lawyers in HHM and similar firms. And Jimmy has to say "screw them" and do his own thing
No, he's projecting to make himself feel better. He thinks he's found someone like him, but he's wrong. He's always been emotionally alone and always will be. Not even Kim quite gets how far he's lost himself
@@majortom4711 I agree to a certain extent as the only one who truly held him back was Chuck. Howard and Cliff were more than generous to Jimmy as men in power. However, it could be argued that the only reason Jimmy was taken seriously in the first place was because of his relationship to Chuck (how else could he have gotten the mailroom job?). Would this girl be able to get in the door where she would be treated with respect without a brother who's famous in the industry? It's difficult to say.
Seeing it again now, I can only marvel at her acting skills. Look at her facial expressions! Impatience, fear, despair, disappointment, power she expressed everything
Casting is top notch on this show. I like how Christie looks young and fresh faced but yet also has a determined and hardened expression to her. Encapsulates that whole "could go either way depending on what breaks they get" I'll be surprised if this scene doesn't pay off in season six somehow.
Yes exactly. Series like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon, etc really spare no expense for the hiring of the best actors even for the smallest parts and even the camera angle, directing, etc are top notch. Reminds me of this Latin saying we learned in Catholic school 'Maxime facere minima' (not sure if quoted right) like 'do your best even in small things.'
͏f͏u͏c͏k the government! And their stupid covid bs. I'm also unemployed now and I recently had to decline a job offer because they wouldn't remove the "covid safety agreement" in my contract i.e wear a mask and stay 2 metres away from people at all times... even though that's not a law here anymore
@Kenny continuity? She's in high school right now, in theory she would need about 6 years until she can become an actual lawyer. We know that Walter White lived for 2 years after the start of breaking bad. At the end of breaking bad, Saul goes into hiding, and he was the manager at cinnabon so in theory he's been there for a few months, probably about a year. That's 3 years. It's not a stretch to think that this conversation probably happened 3 years before Walter White. That means she's probably a lawyer by the time "Gene" gets caught. It is definitely a possibility, especially if she recognizes him which she obviously would from all of the commercials.
@Tuscan417 one of the main themes of the show is how small, seemingly harmless actions can have huge, far reaching impacts. Jimmy telling the girl that she has to cut corners and bend the rules could lead to her becoming a sleezebag lawyer like him.
This young lawyer comes back in the episode Waterworks , Season 6 Episode 12, when Kim visits the courthouse in Albuquerque, she's the one helping a client, an old man, by fixing his tie, just like Kim used to do for her clients.
My high school teachers said I would turn out to be a loser and possibly end up in prison. Today I got into the b-school of my dreams. I am one of the people who is doing great amongst the people I went to high school with. Never let em tell you what to become
@Keyzer Soze I used to wonder about people like you. Then I realised its simple: you just hate yourself. You hate how empty and pathetic your life feels. So you try to tell yourself that everyone is the same as you.
The girl actress is pretty good in this scene. You can see with her mere expression how she passes from confussion to sadness to finally determination. It's great
Reason why you should never commit crime isn't the punishment, it is the change of persepective. We live in a age of prejudice and everyone will judge you even before they meet you and know you.
I took his advice very personally. I always feel I identify with Jimmy. No I am not a screw up, but I always was the funny guy, the underdog which people always deconsidered. Everybody has their own path and "their rules" are created for people unlike me.
One of the most personable scenes in the show. Jimmy going out of his way to help someone in the same position he was, while also giving insights into his own experiences.
I wish someone enlightened me about these cold hard facts about life, when I was at the same age as Christy. Rules meant to be broken to get ahead, since most of them serves and protects the status-quo of those, who are the beneficiaries of the system. I was so fucking clueless for 30 years as a naive idiot and I was busting my ass to please and serve countless people, while my interests were always neglected, and were put behind anyone’s, just like the way Jimmy acted towards Chuck in season 1. This scene was so inspirational for me. Thank you Peter Gould and Vince Giligan.
I don’t think he was necessarily telling her how to be a great lawyer, rather giving a speech that combined how to fight like hell in life, whilst at the same time lamenting unfairness in the world. I’m a lawyer. I didn’t start my career out of law school at some white glove firm. I eventually had to start my own. Almost everything he said in his speech is true. Now that I have my clients that I can be selective about, I get to be satisfied that associates who work at “big law” hate their 90 hour work weeks. This speech is about trying to drown out the lies society tries to placate you with about “equality of opportunity.” It doesn’t it exist. Sometimes, you have to bear down and swallow your pride. But today, when few people have any integrity to speak of anymore, the ignominy associated with having to take something “beneath you” isn’t as bad anymore. Nothing salves your wounds quite like disposable time, being your own boss-and money. Get out there and hustle. Others out there have walked that well trod path on which you are about to embark. We’ll see you there and keep your seat warm until you arrive.
@@rahulverma8774 3 different 12 step programs to recover from addictions to try and self medicate anxiety and depression.. fortunately never ended up with real legal trouble.
That's a great scene. LOL, I missed out on such good advice in my youth, instead surviving on sheer stubbornness. Now I tell the newbies, "Fuck'em. Press on and carve out your place."
“You never really mattered all that much to them anyways” Slipping jimmy talking to his younger self. One of the best moments of the whole show followed up by him trying to start his car right after.
The ironly is that the law firm would've taken Werner to kick around as a junior partner and Gus would've been happy to hand Christy a giant bag of money, safe in understanding her motivations, if their skillsets were reverse.
this scene is so sad, you can see Jimmy is talking about Chuck. "they will see your mistake and they will only see that" he wanted so badly to be recognized by him, accepted, redeemed on his eyes. but he could never catch up with his expectations and that ultimately made him brak bad. He realized he never had a chance in the first place "i know you, i know who you are, you're slipping Jimmy. people don't change" Jimmy's tears are his response to that statement
Meritocracy is an idea. That the world today is a meritocracy is the lie. All these comments missing the truth: meritocracy is worth dying for, the most beautiful thing, but y'all aren't worthy of it. You'd rather throw the whole world in the trash than just be normal. You create your own nepotism and then cry about the grief. Heroes are real but you'd never acknowledge them. Instead you glorify self-proclaimed grifters as the winners...
@bob which, hey, if they changed a field to fix some perceived slight or fault, that's at least respectable in theory. But they flood in because of high pay, prestige, and a dignified work environment, change everything and then start spreading mental/spiritual poison like "meritocracy is a lie". I never worked in that field professionally but I'm sorry for your loss. A fulfilling, prosperous career is one of the highest achievements a man can aim for. Thanks for your insight.
You know that scene in Better Call Saul 6x12 when Kim Wexler delivered her sworn affidavit at the court and she saw a female lawyer talking with a client, which made Kim remember her lawyering days...
god i can't state how much i love this. its just so right too, and him recognizing/giving advice on the same life patterns for her that he's already had to go through and learn the hard way, it just makes jimmy such a real person. he spells out exactly how it goes for so many people, and how to have a chance to beat it. someone he doesn't know and never met, but they both get it. hope we get to see sometime later in some form her succeeding, and surpassing the HHM's of the world, having learned jimmy's advice early and getting ahead with it. would be pretty satisfying to see someone shitting in the shoes of howard-like people even after saul leaves and becomes gene.
I don't think you have realised yet that the advice Jimmy gave her "to cut corners, to win, and that the winner takes it all" is precisely the advice he took himself TO become Saul. This scene has layers that has passed by a heck of a lot of people.
Those reward shows are totally garbage anyways, 99% is given to people that kissed enough of the right ass to get it while a very few amount actually deserve what the reward claims to represent
This is actually really great advice. Don't wait for a group to start to accept you. You need to find your purpose in succeeding what they are. The village may treat you as an outcast but it is you in the end who builds the well.
Had my first interview yesterday. I was heartbroken when I got rejected just minutes ago in a personal email. “I worked so hard for this and they just disposed of me!” and “was it something I said?” were general thoughts floating inside of my mind at the time. Now I come back to this scene with tears streaming down my face. I completely feel what Kristy must’ve been feeling in that exact moment and Saul’s words of “encouragement” really spoke to me because they were what was going through my head. I never was going to get that spot-too many people applied for it-but man did it sting. Yet, I’m not super upset by it. If you expect disappointment, you’ll never be disappointed-and I’m not disappointed. I’m just sad, which is better, I suppose.
The unfortunate fact is if you don’t have connections, job hunting’s just a numbers game. You spam out resumes and cover letters and do interviews until you get a hit.
@@strider117aldo9 I’m a senior now and I finally nailed a job interview with the help of my school’s career counseling program! I’ve learned the importance of preparing for interviews and I was dumb not to prepare, thinking honesty would carry me. As sad as I was when this first happened, it’s behind me now, which I’m thankful for. Thank you for checking in :]
@@Colddirector hmm. I’m actually quite lucky to have the services that I do, so I can’t imagine how grinding that must be. All I can say is, I hope everyone looking to get a job gets one, because it’s not a good feeling to be rejected by an interviewer.
saul: rub it in their face, who cares what they think walter: you get up and kick that bastard called 'life' right in the teeth this show had some unashamed ballsy ways to approach lifes circumstances
I always find myself rewatching this scene whenever I'm going through the soul-crushing task of job hunting. My mistake wasn't as bad as either of theirs, but sometimes I still feel like people see it and just immediately discount me.
Very few scenes made me sad. There were a few. This was one. It talks worlds about Jimmy and more importantly what his brother put him through psychologically.
I think of it as him telling the woman what we wishes he was told at her age, Jimmy wasted so much time chasing the approval of people that were never going to give it so he saved her from experiencing it like he did
Yep. My favorite part of this scene is how he says "so what" twice. Once to communicate his point to her, and then another time for himself. The pain in his voice in that second "so what" makes it clear that he's talking to Chuck.
