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Reports are coming in that Los Angeles Lakers HC Darvin Ham could be fired “as early as next week." Colin Cowherd and Ric Bucher discuss potential replacements for him, including Ty Lue. They also discuss the New York Knicks eliminating the Philadelphia 76ers and Patrick Beverley throwing a ball at a fan in frustration over the Milwaukee Bucks being eliminated by the Indiana Pacers.
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@TheHerdOnFS1
@TheHerdOnFS1 14 дней назад
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@randyp8849
@randyp8849 14 дней назад
The fan said Cancun on 3. That doesn’t warrant assault
@AnonymousUser-ss2qr
@AnonymousUser-ss2qr 14 дней назад
ur soft
@randyp8849
@randyp8849 14 дней назад
@@AnonymousUser-ss2qr Only soft one is Patty Cakes Beverly
@kspence98
@kspence98 14 дней назад
@@AnonymousUser-ss2qrratio. You are softer than charmin my man
@jmilkie44
@jmilkie44 14 дней назад
@@AnonymousUser-ss2qr how about instead of pretending to insult someone in a RU-vid comment you state the obvious that Pat Bev is the soft one
@lionelgrisbane-ud87
@lionelgrisbane-ud87 14 дней назад
Beverley just ended his career
@rageTG
@rageTG 14 дней назад
You need a new media manager who knows how to balance audio, it’s unacceptable for your brand
@ma-chees-mo1552
@ma-chees-mo1552 13 дней назад
You need to stop caring so much about the internet that’s why your life sucks
@Other_Robots
@Other_Robots 14 дней назад
Even without a suspension i can’t imagine any team that would want pat bev at this point
@user-be7tc2bd6e
@user-be7tc2bd6e 14 дней назад
Bev has always been a-LOOSE-cannon like Green ( but even Bev hasn't punched a team-mate,yet ) but,if I were the owner I'd give him some un-paid leave time and a-NICE-fine and tell Bev if it ever happens again time to leave.
@lionelgrisbane-ud87
@lionelgrisbane-ud87 14 дней назад
Nope. He was already on the way out. This was the final nail in the coffin in his career ⚰️
@joshk.1201
@joshk.1201 14 дней назад
@@user-be7tc2bd6e agreed but Pat Bev is nowhere near good enough to get away with this. At least Draymond has hardware to show for it
@user-be7tc2bd6e
@user-be7tc2bd6e 14 дней назад
@@joshk.1201 So true.
@SomeChink
@SomeChink 13 дней назад
36 year old free agent He needs extreme luck to get a contract
@hatobosah2354
@hatobosah2354 14 дней назад
Ok seriously why is the audio always soooo low and bad
@chrisschuenke8316
@chrisschuenke8316 14 дней назад
Its so weird right? This is a professionally produced youtube channel but is worse quality than a reupload channel from the Phillipines.
@Shareefhamida
@Shareefhamida 14 дней назад
Hong Bi is the goat of sound 🤣
@chrisschuenke8316
@chrisschuenke8316 14 дней назад
@Shareefhamida i dont support reuploaders but i might soon if Colin's youtube team cant figure it out lol
@gidds617
@gidds617 14 дней назад
It's so annoying
@scaryfascinating
@scaryfascinating 14 дней назад
I would bet good money that its because who ever uploads these has there desktop audio at 100% so it comes through fine to them but to everyone else its sooo low.
@somersetbassett4580
@somersetbassett4580 14 дней назад
Resume: all the guys mentioned Kerr, Green. Rodman have combined 17 rings. Pat Bev has the bad parts of resume but not the HOF Champ part. So not alike 😊😊
@kishalashawn5542
@kishalashawn5542 13 дней назад
EXACTLY!!
@beneddy7766
@beneddy7766 13 дней назад
Good point
@walnutsstone5234
@walnutsstone5234 14 дней назад
If a fan threw something at a player theyd be banned from that arena for life, he should get a year minimum
@Kruppt808
@Kruppt808 13 дней назад
Fans who have thrown things at players recently at NBA games are never banned for life. Maybe 1 year to that particular arena . Pat Bev is out of the league next year because he is a dumb dumb😅
@mattcarberry368
@mattcarberry368 14 дней назад
"can't suspend Bev a year that's wild" lol nah it's wild that so many people seem to think that a 35 year old grown man shouldn't be expected to act like an adult i dare any of you saying this to go into work tomorrow (assuming you have jobs), grab some stuff and start throwing it at paying customers heads.... you won't be suspended, you won't be told to come back in a year and start getting paid again, you'll be fired on the spot.... this isn't a guy getting into legal trouble on his own time, this is an employee abusing paying customers while he's on the clock and in uniform.... people got some growing up to do if they think this nonsense should be tolerated on any level whatsoever
@Omingogeta
@Omingogeta 14 дней назад
The NBA isn't a regular job neither so don't try to equate it like it is..I expect the fan and the player to act right but clearly in this climate it doesn't happen. Half a year is fine pat doesn't have a history of smacking fans often
@mattcarberry368
@mattcarberry368 14 дней назад
@@Omingogeta yeah being a pro athlete is a very different occupation, that doesn't apply to the concepts of this discussion though, the NBA is a business that relies on customer driven revenue just like any other, and if you have employees treating customers like that it's good business to remove them ASAP, simple as that and "doesn't have a history of smacking fans often" OFTEN? OFTEN?!?!?!! the fact that you think it should require more than ONE TIME to lose a job shows how entitled and out of touch with reality some people are these days lol but you're right that people acting right doesn't happen in this climate, mostly because people constantly try to make up bogus excuses for everything instead of holding 35 year old grown adult men accountable for handling their own emotions ESPECIALLY WHILE ON THE JOB lol like it's wild that this concept even needs to be explained to people
@mattcarberry368
@mattcarberry368 14 дней назад
@@xavierb9061 yeah the first time that ball hit a woman in the head, then someone else passed the ball back because obviously the basketball doesn't belong in the stands, so he responds by picking it up and fastballing it back into the crowd? where it easily could slip and hit someones kid or something? the fact you think this behavior is acceptable and justifiable from a professional grown adult man is just absurd.... it's absolutely pathetic for a 35 year old to act like that, and even more pathetic that so many people seem to think that it's justified and acceptable to act like an entitled man-child
@Kruppt808
@Kruppt808 13 дней назад
Pat Bev in his prime was a marginal player. At this point he is a joke.
@Ballscout
@Ballscout 13 дней назад
You also aren't a contract employee and your contract isn't guaranteed.☺
@durara4492
@durara4492 13 дней назад
Pat Bev not wanting to be interviewed by media that hasn't subscribed to his Pod is top tier trolling 🤡
@nicoalexander774
@nicoalexander774 14 дней назад
As a Dubs fan, I’m a huge fan of assistant coach Phil Handy! I don’t think he’ll get the Lakers job but, it would be a much more interesting hire than getting one of the candidates that are being reported, even Ty Lue. ❤
@user-it4yn9vz6c
@user-it4yn9vz6c 13 дней назад
Go GSW Hoop
@Dante369-ht2lw
@Dante369-ht2lw 14 дней назад
People here saying a year suspension is too much should watch Pat Bev rejecting reporters for nor being subscribed to his podcast. Ric take was on point, guys like him and Draymond should be treated differently because of their history.
@douglasmaddox3308
@douglasmaddox3308 14 дней назад
Any episode without Jmac is a good one 😂
@sd21z
@sd21z 14 дней назад
Facts
@jjamiejackson
@jjamiejackson 14 дней назад
i'll never understand how he got hired. He is one of the most annoying people in sports talk.
@GenoFalcone-hf6ih
@GenoFalcone-hf6ih 14 дней назад
He's just awful
@jarydfye3909
@jarydfye3909 14 дней назад
Lol diversity hire
@fredowithsped8034
@fredowithsped8034 14 дней назад
You gotta be a dirty weasel to like that dude
@Omingogeta
@Omingogeta 14 дней назад
Rick put leblame on blast and colin changes the subject quick 😂😂
@LudiCrust.
@LudiCrust. 14 дней назад
Lebron was manufactured & built up by the league & media to be something more than he was.
@macdonaldkuchocha2834
@macdonaldkuchocha2834 12 дней назад
Rick all specification on LeBron, no substantive thing to report about LeBron being to blame for Darvin Ham's firing. I mean, Rick even said "LeBron is to blame by omission"! Whaaat? By LeBron not saying anything, he is to blame for the coach being fired? Totally nuts
@gloriawilson4691
@gloriawilson4691 14 дней назад
Lue has a job....The Clippers won't fire Lue in fear that he will end up with the Lakers..🤔
@Vanexel007
@Vanexel007 14 дней назад
This is insane. You cant throw basketballs at the fans in the stands. Cannot. Period. Point blank. He was not under duress, he was not being harassed. 1000% agree with Bucher.
@deremiahderrick6292
@deremiahderrick6292 14 дней назад
Gotta keep that same energy with Draymond
@Sampleador
@Sampleador 14 дней назад
He works for colin podcast company of course colin is covering for him
@deremiahderrick6292
@deremiahderrick6292 14 дней назад
@@Sampleador I know. The hypocrisy
@joeamith838
@joeamith838 13 дней назад
Where's the lawsuit????...easy money for that lady that was hit in the face with first ball.
@cedrickcarson
@cedrickcarson 14 дней назад
I mean the only real fit for the Knicks is Mikal Bridges. Now is that a championship winning move? Maybe not but the fit makes sense. And he could be that star ⭐️ they’re needing. He could be the next Kawhii. 🤔
@rabbithole12682
@rabbithole12682 14 дней назад
The sixers had a compromised embiid? The Knicks didn’t have their ALL NBA player Randle?
@Dbo_Sports
@Dbo_Sports 13 дней назад
And a current All Star…. They just don’t care bro.. when it comes to the Knicks, there is always a caveat. Randle is a 25 and 9 guy and the Sixers were the only ones dealing with injuries. Bogdanovic can get you 20 any night and he’s out for the rest of the playoffs. Mitchell missed a game. But all they can talk about, is Embiid being hampered… when he’s always hampered.
@set4life30
@set4life30 12 дней назад
Knicks are lucky Randle didn't play, he is trash in the playoffs and is usually the reason they get eliminated!
@Dbo_Sports
@Dbo_Sports 12 дней назад
@@set4life30 And your right about that… the games that they won by two or one, the Knicks will win by 10 with Randle…. But with Randle, Philly wins at least two. They don’t win game 5, but they win game 4. Something like that.
@atibaprovidence
@atibaprovidence 12 дней назад
It was Darwin who played Reddish and Prince for so many games and caused the Lakers to be in the play in tournament in the first place. Not mentioning not calling timeouts to stop runs and poor game management altogether.
@ronkz7854
@ronkz7854 13 дней назад
This wimpy commissioner will not dare to give him a year suspension
@lucasmartinez5703
@lucasmartinez5703 14 дней назад
There's no excuse for physically attacking fans. A suspension for a year sounds fair to me. There should be zero tolerance for that kind of behavior from professionals towards paying customers.
@michaelredd6784
@michaelredd6784 11 дней назад
They love Mark Jackson first. And that’s who I would be talking to if I were The Lakers Mark Jackson would be my only coach. He’s been blackballed from the coaching ranks, but has one of the best records and best reports with players. He needs to be coaching at the highest level.
@markjae6716
@markjae6716 11 дней назад
The audio was so low. I had to crank up my volume.
@ixibladeixi2639
@ixibladeixi2639 14 дней назад
Finally someone not afraid to say a full year. It’s fair and it’s time to make a point to these players.
@haniffkhan1700
@haniffkhan1700 14 дней назад
The problem is Bron not coaches
@jaysavage1957
@jaysavage1957 13 дней назад
Yea, why should Bron be allowed to have competent coaching? It’s not like any of the other greats had a top tier coach, like…. Pat Riley, or Red Auerbach, or Gregg Popovich, or Phil Jackson. Get real
@user-fp8xe5ms2i
@user-fp8xe5ms2i 11 дней назад
Beverly battered those fans. Arrest him and suspend for 5 years.
@timmytv7554
@timmytv7554 14 дней назад
When Colon starts going "yeah...yeah..." I never know if in his head he's saying "shut up" to his guest or signaling he's no longer listening.
@All-purpose
@All-purpose 14 дней назад
Colin never let's his guests finish without interrupting them. It's like he has to show how much he knows. The guests are the only reason I give this channel any attention
@misinfluence
@misinfluence 13 дней назад
@@All-purposesuch a lie he barely interrupts lmao
@All-purpose
@All-purpose 13 дней назад
@@misinfluence he did in this segment....then rambled.
@pedro426
@pedro426 14 дней назад
They should suspend him for the rest of the season… Oh wait😂😂😂
@jimmyrm8
@jimmyrm8 14 дней назад
Surprised none of the media heads mention that he had a similar incident 5 yrs ago.
@sonnyferrari8258
@sonnyferrari8258 12 дней назад
Why'd they give him the ball back
@prestongrissom9287
@prestongrissom9287 13 дней назад
What the fan said (and didn’t say) is a huge part of this. Saying Cancun on 3 is such a playful/low-grade initiating act. People normally miss what the response is responding to but this is so silly
@jtaco4101
@jtaco4101 10 дней назад
Pat bev acting his race 12 years as chattel.
@TheDeanthedon
@TheDeanthedon 14 дней назад
I love how ric looked when Colin said embiid was a two, like do you ever know wtf your talking about 😂😂
@yourbestbet3485
@yourbestbet3485 13 дней назад
This chuckleheads act like Julius Randle isn’t on the Knicks.
@Viltronic
@Viltronic 13 дней назад
Andre Roberson who used to play for the thunder would always get the brunt of my words as a thunder fan back in the day, I respect him for blocking me and never engaging. That’s all you need to do sometimes is to just pull yourself from the situation but some of these cats don’t understand. Bro was still buns tho
@FlashesSoccer011
@FlashesSoccer011 14 дней назад
Stop bringing up malace in the palace. I get that it was a huge problem, but Beverely has been a clown for years now. He has tons of unacceptable moments. Kick him out of the league. Hes been the biggest joke in professional sports for 5+ years.
@SLIDESPOT
@SLIDESPOT 13 дней назад
Good point about social media becoming a factor in how players and fans now interact. Yes, i agree 1 year.
@sonnyrobles2910
@sonnyrobles2910 11 дней назад
Ric i like the way you cal out LE CHOKE CANT SHOOT FOR SH.T JAMES
@tjayd1225
@tjayd1225 14 дней назад
Another reason why ppl are turning off & tuning out the nba
@andrewpouncil8411
@andrewpouncil8411 13 дней назад
Patrick Beverly snapped 😂
@michaelchildress2001
@michaelchildress2001 14 дней назад
Uncle Colin switch subject quick when he said LeJuice always get a pass😂😂😂
@mt_baldwin
@mt_baldwin 14 дней назад
The audio is incredibly low, the volume I have it should be blowing my eardrums out, yet I can barely hear it.
@Erica-vd1gb
@Erica-vd1gb 13 дней назад
Shows a ballplayer how weak they are to be rattled by fans your opponent is on the court not in the stands
@byx
@byx 14 дней назад
A year is literally insane. 5 games and a fine max. Ja Morant shot at a car and beat up a high schooler and got like 30 games
@jflack6
@jflack6 14 дней назад
Agree!
@KNByam
@KNByam 14 дней назад
Nope. A year is right. You cannot be hitting fans. Litigation, remember.
@cryptidian3530
@cryptidian3530 14 дней назад
@@KNByam Yeah. Adam Silver wants none of that in his league, period. Zero tolerance will be used against him.
@jimmyrm8
@jimmyrm8 14 дней назад
It's his second time. He did it 5 yrs ago too. Against Dallas
@keyonmoffitt6205
@keyonmoffitt6205 14 дней назад
Typical Ric take , only reason hes on tv is that voice he does where it seems like hes giving a deep take lmao
@scottdavis130
@scottdavis130 14 дней назад
Good take good job Ric
@anthonyhicks6435
@anthonyhicks6435 14 дней назад
Thank you, Rick….so on it
@thibz-lx9hl
@thibz-lx9hl 12 дней назад
I thought the fans handled the situation just fine….the problem was a product of the NBA itself in Pat Beverley.
@Dbo_Sports
@Dbo_Sports 13 дней назад
Hindsight always sees 20/20…. The first title for the Warriors against Cleveland.. Steve Kerr took 4 games to notice the matchup problem that David Lee posed. Warrior fans were calling for David Lee since game 2. The Warriors played their best basketball under Luke Walton. Sometimes fans can see things way before the coach. Regardless of agents and emotional players. It’s just an eliteist point of view, to think that a supporter can’t predict matchup problems and see issues with coaching strategies. Some people can just see it.
@stevenvargas4800
@stevenvargas4800 14 дней назад
Thumbs down for rich bucher
@Erica-vd1gb
@Erica-vd1gb 13 дней назад
Players definitely should be disciplined for altercations with fans . Damn right that is totally immature
@whereuwannabe7796
@whereuwannabe7796 13 дней назад
Larry Brown took an average roster with Detroit and won a title. Took another average team with one superstar in Philly to the finals. Larry Brown. Also won in college.
@chipster504
@chipster504 14 дней назад
In case y'all didn't know this... Rick has never liked LeBron. He has always been critical of him.
@hadialghareeba9422
@hadialghareeba9422 13 дней назад
whats wrong with the audio man ;s
@yeetmaestro575
@yeetmaestro575 14 дней назад
Would like to hear Nick Wright and Ric Bucher talk about Darvin Ham
@Lemmholddat
@Lemmholddat 14 дней назад
volume sucks
@AidanHutchinson-wncp3po
@AidanHutchinson-wncp3po 14 дней назад
If that Boston fan got charges for throwing a water bottle at Kyrie a few years back the same should happen to Beverly. Why is he above the law?
@tomtomico
@tomtomico 13 дней назад
Why is Colin's mic is turned away from him?... It's been like that recently more than in the past, and it sounds awful RE-20 is such a great microphone, but it needs to point (obviously) towards the speaker...
@alkaline3254
@alkaline3254 13 дней назад
To be fair it’s not like he threw a baseball. An indoor basketball is soft like a pillow IMO
@770WT
@770WT 14 дней назад
Suspension but still getting paid would be a vacation ?
@cali2boy
@cali2boy 14 дней назад
Collin gotta fix the audio on his RU-vid feed
@darenholloway6013
@darenholloway6013 13 дней назад
The akers were fighting for a playin spot two years in a row. You can get that type of coaching anywhere.
@jonahlewis5568
@jonahlewis5568 14 дней назад
So you’re saying the Sixers need a big point guard, maybe. 6’10, who can organize the offense and not score but play good defense… if only there was someone
@teledanhogan4237
@teledanhogan4237 13 дней назад
Media talking BS about specific players shouldn’t expect Said players to interview with them. I wouldn’t expect Jokic to interview with SAS Perk,Gil or any of the other slandering National media reporters.
@SportsOnTheSide1
@SportsOnTheSide1 14 дней назад
Rick blames LeBron. Also water is wet. Find a new angle
@Zo-ce3lf
@Zo-ce3lf 13 дней назад
Chris Dudley never was a governor
@noelsoto2831
@noelsoto2831 14 дней назад
This dude has always been a lebron later
@pk155
@pk155 14 дней назад
What’s the deal with the audio level being so low on all of the clips lately?
@tommydavidwalker2445
@tommydavidwalker2445 14 дней назад
Wait so saying " 1 2 3 Cancun" as a fan isnt ok?
@GFS695
@GFS695 14 дней назад
If a fan threw a ball once at a player he would be locked up and banned from arena, this dude smashed a lady in the face then throws ball again, if this isn't a suspension for a year that would be a disgrace, and then his post game nonsense.
@arlieferguson7442
@arlieferguson7442 11 дней назад
Bucks should have held on to Divincenzo.
@BuckFieri
@BuckFieri 13 дней назад
The guest has a case of the good ole days. I’m sure there was nasty talk back in your day too
@dwaynekeith156
@dwaynekeith156 14 дней назад
Unacceptable for sure
@benjaminparsleyjr9127
@benjaminparsleyjr9127 14 дней назад
Lauri Markennen or Jaren Jackson Jr Fitz in NY
@imnfire0000
@imnfire0000 13 дней назад
Every show I watch forgets that Julius is injured
@daltonwarmbrodt7022
@daltonwarmbrodt7022 14 дней назад
So pat throws a ball at a fan and you want him out for a year but Draymond does worse and he gets like 10 games?
@serge6885
@serge6885 14 дней назад
Suspend him for a year? ahahahaha my god!!! I don't know... did he say the same thing for Draymond Green?
@derekbrandell8520
@derekbrandell8520 7 дней назад
No legitimate team should ever sign him again.
@MrMartymang
@MrMartymang 14 дней назад
FYI: Chris Dudley did NOT become Governor of Oregon. He became the Republican gubernatorial nominee in a state where the GOP hasn't won statewide office since the last Ice Age. And, yeah, he went to Yale, but his political thinking was as high-level as his free-throw shooting.
@notoriousLSGshow
@notoriousLSGshow 14 дней назад
Yea bcuz Dems have elevated the country L3+ years 🙄
@Hustlenomix
@Hustlenomix 14 дней назад
What about…….. Erik Spoelstra to the Lakers??
@andrewpouncil8411
@andrewpouncil8411 13 дней назад
Suspended him for a year 😂😂😂
@keepkalm
@keepkalm 14 дней назад
Larry Brown is probably the closest answer to winning with an average team. Sixers with Iverson had no depth. Pistons had a lot of talent, but were still less talented than the Lakers.
@trentmolden3395
@trentmolden3395 12 дней назад
Man stop this take. I seen them throw the ball at the players first
@senrak6877
@senrak6877 12 дней назад
Is Mikel bridges not the clear answer?
@darnelllee2809
@darnelllee2809 13 дней назад
We all seen him push Chris Paul in the back a couple years ago so why act surprised
@Key_Concepts
@Key_Concepts 14 дней назад
why is all of Colin's videos volume so low compared to everyone else?
@michaelcarbone5773
@michaelcarbone5773 13 дней назад
Bro fix the audio
@dirtylizardneck3890
@dirtylizardneck3890 13 дней назад
Really Holliday best number 2 you could come up with for the knicks? lol another pg when they have a good backup mcbride on the rise and just signed an extension and he still wouldnt be 2 over randle it would b3 randle still and basically the same team still but that answer just makes no sense
@jacksonwarren6337
@jacksonwarren6337 13 дней назад
How is no one mentioning Mikal Bridges would be a perfect fit in New York with his former Nova teammates
@beanstocks5782
@beanstocks5782 13 дней назад
I bet Pat bevs agent called him last night and said dude you better hope you didn’t just end your career
@amnjordan23
@amnjordan23 14 дней назад
Bro... Maxey is a 1... embiid is a 1.5 philly needs what NY has... DEPTH... they've got some hard working guys who play a role!
@donkeyears4704
@donkeyears4704 14 дней назад
Way off. Darvin stands there and does nothing. The guy wouldn’t know when to call a time out or how to call a play if his life depended on it
@UnconventionalReasoning
@UnconventionalReasoning 13 дней назад
A perfect example of Lakers fans' delusion would be thinking Ty Lue should be their next coach. They ignore that he's under contract, believing that they can still get him.
@skorpyonayts1169
@skorpyonayts1169 14 дней назад
Let’s see what the useless NBA commissioner do about this incident with Beverly. Silver is all talk and no action, that is why the NBA is a mess. Aside from throwing the ball with force at the fans, Beverly almost hit a woman at that. Silver suspend this goon, suspend him for a year!
@TheOceanMan-xc7qp
@TheOceanMan-xc7qp 14 дней назад
Thank you for bringing this topic up...NBA needs to throw these guys out of the league....Green are clear examples....not got got the game, fans, or the league
@bernardwilliams6151
@bernardwilliams6151 14 дней назад
This man said Jrue Holiday huh
@RedHoodFH
@RedHoodFH 13 дней назад
Zach Lavine could fit in NY... Please, I just want him out of Chicago 😂
@jordano9093
@jordano9093 14 дней назад
Wtf why a year thats crazy
@drewwilson6639
@drewwilson6639 14 дней назад
All pat bev has to do is say the fan said rayccimms and all will be forgiven
@CubaSmileSauce
@CubaSmileSauce 13 дней назад
Mikal Bridges would fit Knicks
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