A casual chat giving my first impressions of the Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X. Cut out a lot more waffle this time as to not repeat too much from 700 Pro X video. This was recorded straight after the 700 Pro X video and I've used them a lot more since then. I really like these, out of the box tuning subjectively much better than DT 1990 Pro, much less bright, excellent detail. The biggest competition is the HD 560S which I really like, not sure atm which I prefer.
New subscriber here. Could you do a comparison between the 560s, 900x, and the 990’s? I have the 990pro and I am looking to upgrade. Keep up the good work
I am currently making the decison to upgrade to either these 900s or the 560s big price difference, are the 900s worth it? I make bass/electronic music i have dt770s theyre okay but yeah ive always found them quite fatiguing the brightness, i really just want something comfortable with a good profile thats not overly bright like i find my dt770s what do you think 900 pro x or the 560s?
So after a few months have passed which out of the hd560’s vs 900 pro x do you prefer and why? My main use would be for using with a guitar amp modeller, not so much for mixing and recording, but for general late night jamming whilst the kids are in bed.
as someone who owns the dt990 pro 250 ohms and recently picked up the 990 pro X and i personally think they sound excellent i tested them with gaming (escape from tarkov and ready or not specifically and they picked out the footsteps and audio q's flawlessly) i listened to some music and they did great i recorded a jazz solo on my trombone and listened back to it and it was great sounding i have 0 bad things to say about these love from sweden
It would be nice to have a higher impedance option (like for the DT 770/880/990). People who've already made the investment on a good amp or amp/DAC might not wish to invest money on such sensitive headphones. Additionally, the max. input power of these is 30 mW... that is nothing considering how much power a good headphone amp can inject; the DT 1990 Pro and the AKG K712 Pro are both less sensitive (offer more resistance) and have a max. input power = 200 mW. This means it is quite easy to damage the 700 or 900 "Pro" X with a headphone amplifier... correct me if I'm wrong.
As someone who owns the 990 pro, seems like they really tried to tackle the shortcomings of the 990 pros. I love the detached cable. I've always felt like the 990 pros could use some more bass (leather earpads help in that regard) and that the original ear pads were quite shallow.
Hi, been looking forward to hearing your impressions. Thank you and now looking forward to your more detailed review. I've had my 900's for about a week now and have spent a lot of time comparing to my 990's (250 and 600 ohm). In short, I find the 900's significantly less bright and less V shaped. The overall bass quantity is about the same, but the 900's don't seem to roll off as much and go deeper...also more definition. I find that the 990's increased treble and scooped mids helps poorer recordings sound good, but with tracks that are produced nicely the 900's do really shine. I do suggest you play around with positioning, though, as this does have quite an impact on tonality. Initially I found the mids a little too forward and hard at times. But then I moved the cups just slightly further back and as I did this the treble became more focused and the mids dropped a little. I personally wish Beyer hadn't reduced the highs quite so much, as many tracks have lost that crispness and sparkle that I enjoy, even if it might have been somewhat artificial. However, it seems that the aims with the 900 included addressing some of the biggest criticisms of the 990 (Beyer peak, too scooped, bass roll off) and therefore I'd wager it will be generally well received. It really does sound substantially different to the Beyer sound that I'm used to....the 990's and 770's sound much closer than the 990's and 900's do. Agree with you regarding the build quality - really nice. I do think the 990 and 770 pads are comfier though....more like cushions, however the 900 ones are still up there with the best.
Thanks for your insight here, pretty much echos how I'm feeling about these and the 700's. I feel like the 700's are a little blunted for want of a better word, compared to the 770. They have lost something in the translation by removing so much of the treble energy they've lost their edge. I think some will like them more than the 770, those that found the 770 too bright so thats why I'm thinking the 700 is more of a sidegrade. However for the 900, I can see this being a big hit compared to the 990 for a lot of people. Its more neutral than the 990 less bright than the 1990. The real question is whether its worth it over the likes of the Sennheiser HD560S which I think might be the best sub £200 pair on the market at the moment.
You made a really good analogy about the 700/900 Pros being a reboot of the original 770/990 Pros. I bought the 80 Ohm versions of the 770s about a few weeks ago and I really enjoy them quite a bit but I don’t want to step up to the 700s or even the 900s if they are vastly different. I might just keep the 770s for awhile but if the 700s give me the same sonic signature as the 770s but “better”, I might have to update them. Yeah I know, first world problems. 🙂
@@WheezyTech I think based on what I've read and heard in other reviews, and my wallet(!), I'm not doing to upgrade my 770 Pro 80 ohms. I'm going to keep them because I love the sound signature. Maybe in the future, I might add the 900 Pro X but for now, I'm quite content.
Okay, I've just received a pair of TYGR 300R's and taken a very quick initial listen. Immediate observations are that the TYGR sounds much closer to the 990 Pro than to the 900 pro X. Both TYGR and 990 Pro are very clearly V shaped, whereas the 900 Pro X is not (or if it is then it is much less) and they have a similar treble presentation, of a different character to that of the 900 Pro X. So, what I mean here is that, to me, both TYGR and 990 Pro seem to present a much more 'sparkly' treble character, whereas with the 900 Pro X the treble I notice most is more steely/metallic in nature, though is by no means excessive. I 'think' both the 990 Pro and TYGR emphasise the treble that is higher up in the frequency range (maybe 10k+...a bit of a guess), whereas the 900 Pro x has more most of its treble energy slightly below that. Turning to quantity instead of quality, the 990 Pro is way brighter than the TYGR. EDIT: Listened some more now and the difference is closer....I'd now say that the 990 Pro is slightly brighter. Early days, but I think me and the TYGR are going to get along well. Regarding TYGR vs 900 Pro X, I am finding it difficult to judge because I'm trying to compare a different range/style of treble (if that doesn't sound confusing!) and then the mids are also really different, too. I'm currently thinking the TYGR is brighter overall than the 900 Pro X, but the latter does have quite an incisive metallic crispness that cuts through every now and again.....just generally I hear something more mids focused. The treble presentation of the TYGR really pushes stuff like cymbals quite forward, so can sound a bit 'sizzly' though nowhere near as much as the 990 Pro. I've not really tried to actively dissect bass yet, though I think the 900 Pro X does this area excellently (compared to the other open back headphones I have heard), clearly having better extension and a definition than the 990 Pro and I would guess than the TYGR too. @Noel - looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on TYGR vs 900 Pro X, as I think you said you had both. Which is brighter might come down, to an extent, to what specific frequencies people are more sensitive to, if that actually is a thing! Guess, for me, the long and short of it is that the treble sounds different, but as to which has the most, I'm not sure.
I picked up the 990 now so I've been doing a bit of listening on those now. I was really surprised at how bassy the TYGR 300R is compared to, well, pretty much any -open backed- headphone I've ever heard. Its really quite v-shaped. Seems to me the treble is on a similar level to the 990 but as it seems to have a significant bass shelf from about 400 hz down into the sub bass, I think that masks the treble somewhat. I don't know why other people haven't mentioned this, even DMS who doesn't usually like a bassy headphone seemed to like it. 990 kinda reminds me of the 250 ohm DT 770 in that it its got a lot of treble sparkle that at first is acceptable but gets fatiguing quickly. Although unlike the 770 its got a much less wonky midrange, I don't find them overly bassy either, seems just right to me, but its also probably masked somewhat by the treble. 900 Pro X is in terms of tuning is much better out of the box, Its got a really excellent bass extension. Its still got some excess treble energy, seems like Beyer is never going to get away from that. But compared to the 880, 1990, 990 I think its a subjectively better presentation on the whole. But I'm not sure its technically a particularly special headphone for £220. Not when the Sennheiser HD560S exists for around £50 or more less.
Love the video and comments! 🔥 How do the TYGR 300R compare to the DT 900 PRO X for gaming (e.g. hearing footsteps) and specifically for isochronic/binaural tones? From a technical standpoint, which of the two would be less likely to aggravate tinnitus for those who suffer from it on a daily basis?
Thanks for your first impressions! Can wait for a full review. So basically... according to other reviews 770s are still kings and 900X are better than 990s. Leave a comment if you agree or disagree. Peace ✌.
I think I agree with that. I like the 700 but I feel its lost some of the detail and charm that the 770 has and costs £100 more. The 900 on the other hand is a lot more interesting.
@@WheezyTech I wish you would have 990s so you could do a fair comparison. I know they both have good imaging and separation. 900X have better bass. The most important thing for me is soundstage and thats gonna be main factor if they want me to spent extra £100 but I also know that 900X probably cant win with 712 pro in that department.
@@WheezyTech That would be awesome! Get them on amazon. You will have 30 days to send them back if 900X will sound better and win this battle. Cant wait.
The 770’s are the best bang for your Buck for sure. However I’ll put the 900’s above them they sound so good and have a more neutral tuning. They are the baby brother to the 1990’s. The 700’s however sounds really tinny to my ears and I’d recommend the 770 over those for sure.
Hey man, I remember you talking about an ear infection a while ago. I have blocked eustachian tubes due to hayfever which started a month ago. I have crazy tinnitus and can hear my heart beating in my ears. Did you also notice this and did it go away after the infection cleared out?
Thanks for this review, you really speak in terms that make sense to me (unlike some other YT headphone reviewers). I am a big fan of beyerdynamic (currently owning DT1990 & 770 250Ω). I want to buy closed back over ears for mobile use (iPod paired with portable DAC/ amp), I don't think I would like the AKGs you recommend because I am not a fan of the Harmon curve, I like unequalised beyerdynamic tuning because it is effectively a built-in loudness contour (keeps the tinnitus at bay). My 250Ω 770s are too hard to drive and the coiled cable awkward in that situation. Do you have any advice on 32Ω 770 Vs 700 (or maybe 80Ω 770 with cable mod)? Have you heard 32Ω 770?
In theory, according to Beyerdynamic the 32, 80 and 250, even the 600 are all supposed to be tuned the same. However in my experience and I hear this from a few others, there was definitely a difference between the 250 and 80 ohm 770. Bass isn't much different, although in my units the 250 was more bassy. But the biggest difference seems to be in the treble peak which is both higher and more extended on the 250. Thats why I prefer the 80 ohm 770. I have heard that the 32 ohm tends to come across like the 250 ohm in terms of tuning. However the elephant in the room is that unit variance can be quite big on the 770 so this does play a part. I tend to recommend the 80 ohm and do a cable mod if the cable is too long.
Hey I've got big ears like you, do you find them comfortable? I've been using Sennheiser HD 598 for years and the oval shape has been nice, although they're right on the edge of being too small for fully around-ear fit.. what do you think of these aside from clamping force?
Hi, thanks for the review! I'm trying to decide between the DT 900 Pro X and DT 1990 Pro. Impedance is a problem for me, just looking for the best sound quality and flat response. I'll appreciate your opinion and recommendation. Thanks again!
Are these an upgrade from Dt 990 Pro 250 OHM? I am looking for something that can handle more power, the 990 pro's 250 OHM only go to 50% volume before they are done.
Hello. I would like to ask if you would recommend them for playing bass through Focusrite Scarlett Solo at home. So far, I was not using studio headphones, but simply the Bose QC25, and I was quite satisfied with the sound.
To be honest, if I'm using EQ to achieve Harman target, does it really matter about the individual headphones as much? I have DT770 80 ohm, HD58x, Hifiman HE-X4 and they definitely sound different, but I can't tell if I'm doing them a disservice by EQing everything like that. I'd love to try these out, but I feel like I'd be wasting my money if the difference is extremely subtle.
I find that even if I try and match headphones using EQ, they still sound different to each other, to varying degrees. You may well already know this, so apologies in advance, but my thoughts are as follows.... The fundamental frequency may be the same, but the individual frequencies/harmonics that make that up will be different. I think that is what timbre describes. Yes, differences in sound between different headphones will reduce as you match each as close as possible to the same frequency target curve, but differences in driver, cups, pads. materials, dimensions; etc will all contribute to differing timbres. So, how subtle the difference in sound will depend on those variables and, thus, where headphone manufacturers stick to a design philosophy, you get a 'house sound', or little difference between models and where build varies substantially (usually between different manufacturers) you will still hear distinct differences, even after EQ matching. Same with musical instruments.
What David said, I agree with this. Its complicated because audio is not a solved science and there's a lot that goes on between headphone and eardrum that influences sound. Its also near impossible to get the exact same measurement from even the same headphone on the same measurement rig more than once due to placement variances which affect how they measure. There's always one or two little spots where they vary. You can have two different headphones that measure mostly the same and due to tiny little deviations here and there add up to one sounding slightly different to the other, even within the same model due to unit variances. I used to try and EQ everything to Harman but they always end up sounding different. These days I tend to use each headphone for whatever they deliver out of the box and just enjoy them for what they are. Get to enjoy the various different flavours depending on my mood.
hi i looking for open back headphones for laptop with out amplifier , under usd 300. i use multi type music movie gaming The sound I like is mainly to be clear and have bass, but the bass should not be too heavy, because too heavy bass will cause the sound to be distorted, and it is not good if there is no bass. which one you recommend? senheiser, beyer , hifiman , philips, AKG ? and what model ? thanks
Based on those requirements. You say you want bass but not too much, clear sound, mixed media listening and doesn't require an amp. The DT900 Pro X would be a fine choice but I would personally pick the Sennheiser HD560S which fits your requirements perfectly in my opinion. It has great bass extension, a good amount of low bass but not too much. It has a fairly neutral presentation on the whole, its very comfortable and light weight for long listening sessions such as for gaming. And they are quite sensitive so they don't need lots of power to drive. Although this is all subjective so I do recommend trying stuff first before you buy, but the 560S would be my choice.
Hello ^^ for playing games and listen to Spotify on my computer, which one would be the best with no amplifier or external sound card between the new ones, the tygr or the 770 pro 32 ohms ? Thx !
external soundcard. i heard people saying creative sound blaster x4 or g6 are a good option for gaming/music headphone listening. since they got Sxfi for music enchancement and battlemode for gaming.
As someone used high end studio monitors, should I go with the 900 pro x or the 1990 pros? I see the 1990s on sale right now but maybe they will be coming out with a better 1990 soon?
