Beyond Order: Montreal Lecture | Jonathan Pageau | EP 262 

Godbless trying myself

Congrats my friend, keep it up!

Akira the Don has mapped beats and music to Jordan’s speech. I recommend his music, Meaning Wave. “He’s got clout.” - Peterson about Akira the Don

God bless you. My husband just celebrated 33 years clean and sober. We met very young and went through so many trials together. I'm so proud of the man he has become. It has been an honor to share my life with him. I pray the best for you and may God watch over you.

Be sure to celebrate your Four years sobriety with the community. Others will be helped and encouraged by your doing so. JBP is a great gift for many of us. Congratulations on your sobriety.

Oh wow, Congratulations on getting your life back on Track. I'm so pleased for you even though I do not know you , but anyone who works so hard to overcome their demons and is successful deserves all blessings coming their way . I'm very proud of you !!!!❤️

Good job

Blessed be you

I learned the most in life working menial jobs. Be proud of yourself!

@@ohioplayer-bl9em Bravo Ohio Player!

I noticed that, too. He’s always the professor, connecting with his “students.”

Amongus

...did he always do the crazy hand thing though? Lol he's awesome

If this is his good sound.... he must have really been over the edge ages before.

Yes, his mental health has improved a lot ever since he got off of the benzos and went through that whole process. That is a process that would destroy most people's lives but Jordan is a strong person, and he got through it. It gives me hope because I am currently struggling with drugs, not the same situation as Jordan but it gives me hope knowing people can overcome and defeat drug dependence.

@@redsox258 you can win brother. I pray that you call on Jesus Christ to heal and rid you of addiction like he did for me. Relieving me of the cravings and even the people and places. I’m now 3 years clean and have faith it will happen for you too. And I say happen to you because once you let Christ start to work on you, every day is better than the one before. It starts with admission, and you’ve already done that. Don’t be afraid of aa or na, take what you need and leave the rest. And for the love of God PRAY YOUR FACE OFF! The Lords says you have not because you ask not. Ask and you shall receive if only you believe. God bless you brother! Good things on the horizon for you. Keep your chin up, a stiff lip and suck in that gut and put your shoulders back and make your bed and take on today. Just today. Much love.

@@dn1697 boooo

Honesty, yes. Something that lacks many nowadays.

​@@selfelements8037 and a lot better now but I'm back 🔙🔙

Yes👍🏼

If the Constitution, our Supreme Law, is the standard for what they are allowed to do and nothing more unless the states approve an amendment, why is it that we have the problems we do? Is it not the natural tendency of government to grow that is to blame? Since history and logic tell us that is true, is it not WE the PEOPLE (every generation since it's founding) that or to blame having allowed it to happen? Of course we have been and still are being infiltrated, in various forms, by "foreign ideologies" - people and groups that DON'T AGREE with, nor honor or respect, the words and spirit of our founders. Some do so on purpose! Others by ignorance. Naivety's mother is ignorance. Think about it. Question: How can any population or society that does not dedicate itself to the preservation of freedom and the honoring of every individual's inalienable rights exist for long? If the essence of freedom is the limitation on the power and reach of government and our government today seems to no longer have such limits, is it not logical therefore to conclude that freedom will gradually go by the boards? Isn't an informed populace the best condition to have if we ever hope to put tyranny back in its bottle? Aren't the things that we are experiencing today born of the subversive idea that we are a democracy? If ignorant and free can never be, then how should you and I expect the land of the free and the home of the brave to exist in a sea of ignorance? If ignorance is at the core of what is responsible for our decline, does it not seem appropriate then that devotion oneself to pursue the required knowledge to remain free is of utmost importance?

I feel that his greatest gift is not in his thinkung, although that is a great gift indeed. But even more it is his ability to communicate his thoughts through words into our brains. Language may be the closest thing we have to genuine magic.

greetings fellow non alien

Explain how? Because it's not working for me.

He is not God.

@@MrSmcara Speaking for myself, JP represents what intellectuals ought to be. He is humble, wise, brilliant, and honest. He became, basically the most influential thinker of our time. This gives me some hope in humanity.

well theyre really not supposed to be enemies. both sides can get dogmatic to be fair.

I had exactly the same thoughts :)

And I want us all to avoid the abyss with all my heart.☺️

Sorry Brian, but if you believe these two idiots are a gift of God... you haven't avoided the void, you are already in it. "Jordan Peterson's popularity is the sign of a deeply impoverished political and intellectual landscape..." You poor soul.

@@tadflinder831 - “Sides” are an illusion. The only thing that matters is what is factual and mythology isn’t fact based. Science isn’t a “side”, it is the best methodology we have to make predictions, discoveries, and to seek the truth. Religion is none of those things, yet it makes extraordinary claims.

I've a question for perhaps yourself or basically anyone in 'the know' here. It says there is 1 (one) reply - it says there is and it's in blue brw. I can't see it. Why ? Sometimes there are many replies and sometimes the actual number shewn is one or more higher than I actually can see. Thanks in advance for your time.

Gs recognize Gs.

@@sextwister Thanks my g. Appreciate ya.

@@richardpotter6313 honestly I think it has to do with RU-vid. Technically those replies are there but I think RU-vid hides replies they don't like.

@@okami425 That's also a good possibility. The way al and his gorythms have progressed it could even be certain demographic groups, like kind people of different views ...such as L/R or perhaps one person in a collective was reported on by someone from another, one had previously hit a thumbs down or better yet YT trying to thwart something positive and placing a vale over an admirer. Who knows in this day and age with all the decay and funky s*** going on with the set RE in its previously pre planned infancy. Thanks 👍

That is awesome. I have shared his video lectures with many people. I hope those also share.

Any chance you heard what the guy in the audience said at the end?

@@TheAntwain143 Ah I vaguely remember but he wanted to ask another question I think and they made it clear they would only take a finite amount. I forget if it's this guy, but someone asked something out loud and when he said 'I can't sorry' he yelled back 'I completely understand'. Great night.

Well, if you already understand that at 22 you're way ahead of the game. 😃 I had no idea until my mid 30s

Can’t hurt me was so so good! He’s amazing

Goggins is an amoral shill for the war machine.

I'm 19 and I really wish to see a brighter future for myself but it's been hard...

@@Lyonessi you can do it man, you’re still have so much of your life ahead of you. Just because you might not like where you are now, doesn’t mean that’s where you’ll be in a year from now.

As someone who listened to him throughout my twenties, I’ve been around long enough to see him lose a few steps and see where he’s lacking. Eventually if done right, you surpass all of the people you once looked up to. And that is how it should be if you’re really working to reach your full potential. That said, I still love the man. And I can still learn a lot from him. But we are all only human stuck in the same world.

As someone who at his mid 20's. I can assure you that, there is not much different between you and me in how we percieve what jbp said. Let me put it like this. young people want to have experience but their ignorance hinder them so they wasting time, old people are wise enough to know the right things to do correctly but they lacking time. Its obvious right? And not all young people will do what you expect them to do with what jbp said. So yeah rest assured enjoy your 50's.

You can be sure that we're listening, getting educated & getting ready. I'm 28. With Love, from Slovenia

His college course lectures are legitimately giving me better therapy than I've ever had in 15 years.

70 here and still learning. Learning is the best way to travel. Dr. Peterson adds so much to the journey.

I cant say I'm any of those 3 but I'm still with you on that (Nitpick but you should probably capitalize the G)

@@kellythrash3154 ??? “The return of masculinity, as evidenced by Dr. Peterson”? Seriously? This goof-ball has been on the verge of a full-blown mental break-down for many years. Possibly his entire life. If you ‘ve learned “anything” from listening to him then you must be a real tool!

I don't give a shit what self assigned category you belong to: Are you competant?

@@filler7149 00 Z.ppl pp lol ppp pp 'll

Well said. We all agree.

Yup!

same here. grew up protestant, baptist in particular. still trying to learn and grasp this stuff, but such a different way of looking at the world, it blows me away.

@@davidcole1475 He seems to have a very deep understanding from all I've heard. He takes it really deep. I remember coming home from college one summer and talking to my dad, an evangelical pastor, telling him that these things going on in humans was all just chemical and biological and that there was no God, no Devil, etc. I thought I had a real gotcha point. He said something like "well yeah, that's how our bodies work as designed. We're embodied in physical, material world." Observing what's going on physiologically while also examining the stories themselves and their meaning, showing how Christianity can be "true" even the "the truest thing" is not a lack of understanding of covenant. He talks about Israel meaning to struggle with God and talks about attention and aim. These things are related to covenant and I imagine that if you were to bring up your understanding of covenant he could go there with you.

@@davidcole1475 Well, there is God or there isn't. It's as simple as that. Another thing: we can prove none of those options. But scriptures have been written down by some people in different times having their reason to make them as it wasn't cheap and required educated people to participate. Some people organization that lasts until now, The Church, created the canon we can today call The Bible that is just a set of some stories, often written down very late after happened or there may be some myths or legends that have been created in some purposes and that is real. The real thing is that what we know today as Decalogue some description of laws without actual ten words they supposed to be. And we know the story of Adam and Eve that has been written down probably on the way through the desert people of Israel had led by Moses to The Promised Land, as we have to imagine what problems might have arose on the way of so many people used to live as slaves in pagan kingdom. That doesn't mean those stories are fully made up. Who knows, they might have been preserved some way for thousands of years until that moment on the desert without a slightest of changes, but highly unlikely. Therefore may exist as many interpretations that may be seen valid (not proven invalid) without contradiction to others, that's ok. That's what St. Augustine have said about that. Jordan Peterson is sincere. He can't prove neither literate accuracy of scriptures having real historical values nor the existence of the God revealed in those scriptures. He has no ambition to claim he can living 2k years after the last sentences we can read from The Bible made by people of The Church. He's a philosopher and psychologist scholar that can draw a great even religious value from The Bible, but as a consequence of Scholastics made by St. Thomas Aquinas, understanding a world of creation and understanding The Creator are completely separate areas that should not be messed with each other.

@@davidcole1475 You have clearly a problem with logical thinking. Every statement is either true or false. You say it is highly probable God exist because whatever you observe makes sense as long as it has been created by intelligence. I agree as for me this also makes sense, although till Jesus Christ and His Church there was only one known person who got that without revelation and has been sentenced to death because of it making him first christian martyr more than 3 centuries before Christ. So there is a great proof that one's observation doesn't implify the correct interpretation. Although we can assume something exists in one and only way, even nowadays quantum physics can say that only when observed and therefore interpreted, but until the observation it may be in many ways. That proofs only one thing: that every reasonable conscience can absorb only determined information. The rest about The Church you wrote just say you're a protestant. You claim there is only one valid interpretation although the whole protestant thing is about rejecting the authority to interpret, therefore multiplying interpretations. It just proofs you truly have a problem with logical thinking. No protestant would get his hands on a book called The Bible in either XVIth or XXIst century if The Church wouldn't claimed the canon of holy scriptures back in IVth century. The Church has been established by the Apostles that we chose to believe their teaching come directly from God. I didn't write of various interpretations contradictory to each other. I mentioned (after St. Augustine) about geting different observation and therefore different meaning, but it is what you will get if for example you'd listen to several separate men descriptions of a single woman. Some will say about her hips, others legs and others about her eyes or hairs. All of them would be true (although quite subjective) and not contradicting with other intepretations. What can be different and contradicting are judgmental issues. That's why The Church needs to have an authority to correct Her sheeps. I wrote about myths and legends in reference to what we call (ones again - the canon) 'The Old Testament' or what Jews call 'Tora'. There were 3 or 4 traditions known in Israel of those stories that have been put into book of Genesis (Tora overall, but b. of Genesis had more major differences). Those stories has been kept for God knows how long in some environments we can now distinguish as different traditional sources. I didn't say that about the 'New Testament', although there are differences in the Gospel written by different authors in different time after a long time The Church has been teaching about Jesus and His Kingdom. The targeted audience was also different. No wonder there were differences in the scriptures. Anyway, people may have a resonable doubts about them being correct description of what have happened in times of Jesus.

Man! I was just thinking to go do some painting and listen to this. Your comment solidified it

just looked at your channel, nice art :)

@@spadegarden8572 thanks so much!

JP doesn't believe in God. Don't you listen to what he says.

@@redmed10 Not the literal biblical God, no he doesnt. He believes in the abstract biblical God though.

@@mrlacksoriginality4877 That means nothing. As does so much of what Peterson says. But people like you fall for everything he says and think he is the wisest man on earth.

@@redmed10 Only because the bible falls flat when it comes to the literal interpretation when it comes to reality. I spent years trying to defend the literal truth using all the mental gymnastics i could to defend my point of view. The straw on the camels back for me is that my Jewish history teacher told me that they never took the bible literally, it all made sense and took me years to get over.

@@mrlacksoriginality4877 The very fact that Christians believe in the old testament and new testament was one of the first indicators to me that this God stuff I was taught as a child did not make as much sense as was made out. If JP helps you then great. I'm not in the habit of trying to change peoples' minds. I just put an alternative when I think it's needed. I'm learning it's a pointless exercise because one voice is not much. Take care.

Would like to talk to Jordan about the other perspectives of Cain and Abel...maybe one day...ps Jordan if you ever read feel free to reply..thank you.

@@stephenmarshall8367 I highly doubt if a public figure as big as JBP will ever reply to a RU-vid Google account created 6 months ago with no DP which has zero subscribers and zero engagement. Maybe if you had tried to write this message from your authentic account, it would have had better chances of gaining someone's attention and taking you seriously. But, who knows, maybe you'll get a reply. I'm just trying to point you to the right direction if you are genuinely interested in talking to an influential figure who has 5 million followers on RU-vid.

Here and present 🤚 doing the same

ABSOLUTELY 💯 % ... MY SENTIMENTS ..... NAMASTE ... 🙏 👋

I would say the same, he's the father figure that I needed, I'm forever grateful to him, I wouldn't be in a better and hopeful place without him.

Yeah … check out his latest vid on liars and psychopaths etc. Not holding back anymore ..!

@@justiceisnow3162 He's released and is successfully battling his inner monster. Just banned from Twitter for it - go JP!

knocked it out of the park!

Yes, Chris C! Yes,Yes,Yes!

Yes Chris C! Yes, Yes,Yes!

That makes 2 of us!

@@billyp79 Hello Billy! I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

What venue was it?

@@stevenlightfoot6479 place des arts

Likewise! I'm so excited that this was recorded.

What about your favorite online lizard

@@JamecBond 🤔 Peterson-asaurus and Pageau-ceratops?

You are in for a lot of eye opening reading. Solzhenitsyn is a historian, but also a philosopher. "Gulag Archipelago" is the only book I ever read where I stopped and wrote down quotations from it.

School is not for teaching it's for indoctrination! Think about it!

Also buying those books after listening to the audio books. Awesome 👏

@@chriswhite2151 especially the last few lines on the last page, gave me goosebumps

Absolutely… without maturity we will not evolve individually or has a society 🙏

Camille Paglia tho?

Yes absolutely yes. I wasn't about to watch this now but when I saw the host I'm like ok bye plans of going to sleep

Iain McGilchrist wasn't bad!

Noah, Peterson would say that you will survive the Flood. God Bless, Bucko! 🖖🏿🙏🏿🤙🏿!!!

Me too!

Did you find his biblical lectures. I used to be so dismissive of biblical philosophy till I saw those. He opened a new world of interesting meaningful concepts for me with them.

@@Nobnoxious I did, I grew up religious and when I saw those lectures ironically for me I saw the secular point of view to those passages in the bible, I'm currently trying to read the Bible from that point of view and am getting so much out of it!

Just listen at half speed

Indeed! Ear Candy. Can’t get enough!

Add Paul Vanderclay, Fr. Stephen De Young, Richard Roblin, Fr. Andrew Damick.

The what now? Thank God JBP doesn't talk like this.

Yes you are correct Dave was as well. A generation behind him .

I absolutely love your comment.

@@delphisquirrel2430 Thank you ✝️🙏🏻

I'm going to see him in Glasgow on his tour in September, I'll be sitting in the very back row. Should I wear a suit?

Free will is most egotistical and poorly evidenced idea polluting otherwise sophisticated minds

Don’t send a purple cross. Purple is the color of the devil

Beautiful

Dope and astounding words 🤗

Good job for 1) actually seeking out a man like Peterson, and 2) pursuing the truth and actually taking responsibility for yourself. You will be a excellent role model for other lost young men( and women). There are many…

Absolutely brother! In Wild At Heart, John Eldredge writes that masculinity, manhood, is bestowed by the society's men on the adolescents. Jordan is a great father figure, we need more calm, sincere and articulate voices of wisdom. Keep rocking, Jordan!

Amen 🙏 so glad you are making progress. I am much older than you and I can tell you by experience you are on the right path. God bless you ✝️

Your object oriented in life 😉

You're almost there, then. Belief in God is not about surrendering your belief in reason. Instead there are spiritual forces in this world that work very hard to keep things out of your mind, (Dr. Peterson has much to say they would rather you not hear) especially anything that encourages you to think about realities you cannot see or touch. Materialism, measurement and empirical method are quite often championed as the ultimate author of truth, but the diehard materialist runs into a very serious problem when it comes to certain universal human experiences such as envy, greed, pride and so on. Coming to have a relationship with Jesus Christ begins with examining your own self, not the measurable world around you. It's about acknowledging those sinful parts of your own nature, and in the knowledge you are guilty of sin, desiring to "aim up" with the realization that you are utterly incapable of doing that on your own. That is the essence of salvation, and what I have personally experienced, and can say to you with 100% honesty that God is there and that your reason will be edified, not destroyed, by His presence in your life.

Yes, we don't need to be afraid of his interpretation. You can actually watch Jordan's faith grow over the years as he dove deeper into it. He's doing a great service to God by opening Scriptures to those who don't see their value. He has been doing God's work even when he didn't realize it.

Have your cult membership certificate? Always amazes me how the language of Peterson's disciples so closely parallels that of evangelical Christian talking about Jesus...

​@@DocnoXXX is anyone who listens to someone else a cult follower? I see this comment so often I have to ask.

@@wobblyeye493 It's not about simply listening... It's the expression of "love" and the religious devotion... "he loves much and he's loved in return"... As evangelicals would describe their 'relationship' with Jesus. Once there is so much emotion involved, you are crossing into cult territory

@@ruthanne6729 You probably don't know what a cult is either since there is debate on the term. But Petersen's devotees certainly display some of the behaviors of cult members... and that was my point. But you knew that and tried a diversion (like cult members do) "Evidence you might be in a Cult: Your group has one leader - usually male. You revere this leader and do what he tells you. Your group has the answers while nobody else does. And you actively deny that your group is a Cult." Neil deGrasse Tyson

@@ruthanne6729 "Evidence you might be in a Cult: Your group has one leader - usually male. You revere this leader and do what he tells you. Your group has the answers while nobody else does. And you actively deny that your group is a Cult." Neil deGrasse Tyson :-)

Just don't steal him, okay? :)

World national treasure too lol

World treasure

Both of them

@@Built_By_Bacon That's fine, we don't mind sharing him😊

Jordan is the teacher, friend ship has nothing to do with it.

He/they’re not just donating, they expect us to get better & reach higher to a greater form of being … cause we can.

Where was the venue?! Thanks

@@a.nefertiti6980 it was at the théatre maisonneuve

Francis Plante Thanks. I wish I had heard about the event.

Its jBp 😅

Jordan, Dr Peterson

JBP

The world dumbs down everything we hear and read. It's so refreshing to listen to someone like JP who speaks to us assuming intelligence and a decent vocabulary and comprehension

Honestly I can't listen to these videos all at once. It sometimes takes a week of listening, then thinking. Listening to the whole thing at once would be like eating a whole cheesecake!

nah, that is just your mind playing tricks on you. The brain is amazing at making sense of bullshit.

​@@michielkarskens2284 Really? O_o. What part exactly? I would bet you didn't listen to any of it outside of maybe the introduction, correct me if I am wrong. I was able to tie in a lot of what JP said to ideas and thoughts I have had myself that I couldn't fully flesh out but understood they were there and meant something. He is trying to say that ( from my perspective ) without a proper hierarchy of ethics or values ( whether that be from a religious background or not ) to keep people's perspectives and decision making in line with doing the "right thing" as best we can in most situations there would be chaos like what is going in the world right now. Also, that people observe objects and situations as meanings and when they don't have a proper ethical foundation to understand or weigh the values relative to the meanings or to make the correct decisions then you get situations like the examples he gave about people furthering their careers in social sciences and other areas through affirming things that are just not true. I got out of it something I have always felt when it comes to "empirical evidence" that most people can find something that they want out of a complex set of variables because what they are observing is meaning and not objects which can depend on the persons hierarchy of values. Really hard to explain, but I think you should at least give him a chance by listening intently to the whole thing.

humility is a true sign of genuine greatness!!!

Wtf man. Calm down

Jordan didnt teach Jonathan. Jonathan showed Jordan the symbolic world.

We all learn differently and at different rates but that's the plan right?

Jonathan helped Jordan appreciate what he couldn’t understand before. I hope he’s getting closer to God. What an impact he could have for the Kingdom.

I live in Montreal- where was it? At McGill ?

@@annieholbis2430 place des arts.

@@abdallahrachidi8431 had I known he was coming I would have gone