BHVR ARE LOSING THEIR MINDS! (PATCH NOTES REACTION AND ANALYSIS) 

The game needs to have the developers play killer vs pro Korean survivors again.

“We think we’ve done a pretty good job so far”

That's Peanits for you. Him and his buddy who got hired into the dev team. Won't name his name, but let's just say his very favorite way of playing was "TOXIC SURVIVOR MAIN", back when he streamed.

I'll say it again, just remove killer role at this point and replace it with a bot so survivors can have their baby game

They are making survivor as braindead as possible. Hey guys, you don't need to time flashlights, you also don't need to time grabs. Oh and also in case you had to use your one last brain cell, we've also added autopilot HUD so you don't need to think for that one too. Have fun!

Haven't played this game since Pyramid head came out. But I will admit its always fun listening to dedicated players be baffled by the dev notes when a patch shows up.

So far as the patch notes are presented I feel they treat the killer as an npc

we removed grabs, and we also removed lunges... now the killer has to ask for survivor's consent to be hit or grab through the game

Peanits is acting like the hook grab scenario was some crazy unintended situation. It's called skill based gameplay. Now they've removed any thought process required to unhook. Basekit BT, no grabs, and survivors will also be able to unhook themselves if you're in the area for too long. Imagine Midwich and you're on the 2nd floor but the survivor on the 1st floor is able to Koby. Amazing. The hook grab was put in there intentionally so that survivors couldn't just do it in your face and now they're acting like this "awkward situation" wasn't intended. God forbid there's any mindgaming left, outside of loops. They don't even have to time their flashlights anymore. They can do just about everything in your face and you know they'll Tbag you for it too, even when BHVR is just handing it to them on a silver platter. I think I'm through playing killer. I thought Singularity woukd be awesome but his power is completely removed from the match by the all-to-easy to obtain EMPs. They can pick up multiple EMPs throughout the course of a single chase. BHVR's attitude towards killers is pretty clear at this point.

We wanna make the Onryo more terrifying than ever! ... nerf Sadako

As a killer main, I used to love this game so much. Day one on console. Now, I got a pc and seeing this game killing itself on hook. I don't even bother with this game anymore. A game shouldn't be frustrating for a gamer...

I used to have a group of 3 others I played with and everyone is fed up and has quit this game. Devs get money and do nothing.

i read the notes on Steam and saw that they were removing Hook Grabs and gave endurance to Buckle Up and i just had to see if Tru3 saw the notes lol

Hook grabs and baiting killer was actually strategic, trying to block killer with threat of getting grabbed, all survivors helping. Now its just one survivor comes takes the hit, one unhooks and blocking to exit gate, resetting if a mistake. I think the devs dont even play the game tbh😂

So as a killer now I am basicly forced to leave a hook no matter the situation, even if there are 2 survivors around pressuring me I still have to leave. The survivors can rush their objective and protect it but god forbid I do something to secure my objective as a killer

I'm convinced that Peanitis doesn't play killer at all and doesn't care about killer either...

What are those Sadako changes... All they needed to do was lower the base cooldown on TV's and make it so TV's turn on automatically after a survivor enters the downed state. Now she still has an insanely long TV turn around which increases further with tapes from survivors making her power even more dictated by survivors. Ontop of that the 15s cooldown to project now means her 1 consistent source of power which was TP'ing around for information/gen pressure has gone out the window. Then cleansing the condemn is going to be easy as fuck because they can just stick it into a tv literally 8s away while reducing the condemn they get from it because it isn't passively gained so max you get 1 stack of condemn if you manage to knock them in the 8s it takes them to deposit the tape (which we all know they'll still be able to do it in your face without STBFL). What they have done is make an already complicated power to grasp even more complicated. Which the main issue with Sadako is people who don't know how her power works got destroyed by it and those who know how it works completely negate it. The counter is going to be everyone grabs a tape and stick it in a TV. You've now turned 2 TV's off which means 8 TV's are off for 90s if every survivor does this. Do that twice a match and she has literally no ability to teleport and they wasted what, 8s-10s to prevent Sadakos power for 90. The only thing that looks like it might be passable is not stunning while demanifested but I have a strong feeling that just means she can be pallet stunned but not flashlight stunned. If she can phase through pallets this might actually be a buff but will mean everyone will ignore her condemn power which is a big reason people even play her.

In regards to hook grabs neing nerfed. I think this is the first time I see a game supress game mechanics, to make it "fairer". What's next? Trapper can't use traps? 😂😅 Blinking nurse can't blink.😂

Holy shit the removing of grabs is insane. Like this makes Deliverence 100x better. Just rush the gens, wait till very last moment before your mate gets to another hook stage and just trade. Now you dont even need 2 ppl for endgame save if you are near a gate. Just equip a perk and get a free escape. So dumb...

Onryo is practically, not just theoretically, PRACTICALLY, useless. If survivors once use their brain, Sadako has absolutely NO POWER. GG.

im glad theyre killing this game, cant wait for Texas Chainsaw to come out i hope it dont flop

Does anyone else remember when they said they would fix grabs because everytime killers do, they just freeze in place/ it just cancels the grab, because of the servers?(at the time you would have had to spam attack so you can get something) So then they gave this a bandaid fix by making it so that if you grab and the servers just decided not to let you, it is programmed to automatically regular attack so you dont miss + still get bloodpoints for a grab action. Where is the grab fix BHVR? Why are they still ignoring this? Now they are pushing towards eliminating grabs entirely with this dumb shit?

Ive played this game since launch. I play 50/50 survivor and killer. But, over the past year, I have played less and less with each dev update. This particular update will be very damaging to the player base. I havent played DBD in over a month and this update will officially ruin the game. They arent just nerfing killer perks now, they are removing and ruining killer tactics now (hook grabs, etc.) as well. If they want to dictate how a killer plays and remain focused to kills over hooks, they should just make all killers bots. This is the most out of touch and juvenile dev update ive ever seen for any game. Nothing comes remotely close. It's like the devs are dumb and dumber...

Next update- killer is an AI enemy npc and we only play survivor

This Anniversary was the most fun I had playing Sadako, those anniversary powers were so in theme with her. Breaking pallets with her mind from afar and exposing survivors when in bloodlust which was amazing when they were fully condemned. That's all they had to do to buff Sadako, like exposed when fully condemned and a range pallet break maybe even with a cooldown and she would have been more fun to play as. But instead BHVR is doing whatever this is. People say the people at BHVR don't play their game and with that Onryo changes it clearly shows. Every sane person that plays the game would see that survivor would just hold onto the tape now since there are no repercussion for doing so. Also not to mention that BHVR seem to have some weird priorities that they rework Sadako before other killers who might need it more.......Trapper or Twins?

So, the devs just don't like the Killer as a role, right? It seems like a constant fight for Killer players to keep their head above water while Survivors just dunk on them constantly. Isn't this supposed to be a game where the Killer feels like a genuine threat that needs to be avoided? Devs don't seem to understand this at all.

Now sadako vs swf will be fully m1

"these devs are detached from good players" doesn't know what the chase status means

More free escapes ,yeeeaahhh More killer nerf..wuhuuu!!! I think i quit finnaly ..thx devs

I'm ready for Nicolas Cage's 15% haste perk

I can't believe they removed grabs.... just like that. And they are trying to present it as a "neat removal of a silly game of chicken" when it can only be described as a total nerf of the killer that now can't protect his hook AT ALL. You will no longer be able to punish overzealous survivors unhooking infront of you by grabing them, now you will have to watch them finish their unhook anyway... This is just... insulting. There is no other words.

Dead by Daylight should be rebranded to "Survive with Friends".

Onryo nerfed, hook grabs removed, Deliverance/BT/Speed at base for hooked survivors, meaningless buffs to killer/survivor perks except for 1 perk, potentially buffed maps for survivors, and gens still get done in 5 minutes or less... why even play killer? Genuine question. What's the point? They've moved from nerfing gen regression/defense perks to nerfing killer tactics. They're actually trying to force killers to play how the devs WANT them to play. I gave this game up a long time ago and every patch that comes out is just worse and worse.

If they didnt make it so the tapes can be placed on any TV it would arguably be a buff, since at least survivors would have to travel far to get rid of 4 stacks of condemn, but with it being removable with any TV it just makes the mechanic a fucking joke.

I don't think you guys seem to understand how much disabling hook grabs is going to change the game, survivors can now freely leave teammates on hook and the other 3 can just power through gens even faster than before while just coming to trade hooks just before they hit 2nd stage by removing hook standoffs they've literally dumbed the game down even more and given survivors less interactions besides sitting on generators, so not only does it make pressuring aggressive survivors extremely harder it's going to generally make every average mmr game more difficult as a whole because they've removed a secondary objective

lol and they wonder why killer players have dropped

The Onryo changes are a nerf overall, Survivors can hold the tapes and prevent her power from building up. You need 7 stacks to be fully Condemned, and Survivors typically die at 6 hits, 2/hook state. Unless the game has just 1 Tape like in the movie to make it somewhat a struggle to get the tape.

to be honest at this point i'm glad they're making these changes so the game dies even faster.

Gotta admit, removing hook grabs is a bizarre decision.

"if we get to a point where i don't have to think to win as a survivor" this is the same guy that played during the era where: Gens took 65 seconds BNP completed a gen INSTANTLY Syringe was insta-2 stage heal Maps had thrice the pallets Windows didn't blocked Healing with Botany and Self-care took 5 seconds You could unhook only from one side A SINGLE FLASHLIGHT CLICK COULD BLIND THE KILLER You could sabotage every hook in the map You could sabotage trapper's traps No bloodlust yet the game is more survivor-sided now then ever?😭

idk if you realize but Buckle Up is very anti slug now. Both survivors are now safe when they get someone up...literally a borrowed time after resurrection...

The Onryo changes are a nerf. Being able to insert the tape on any TV plus TVs being turned for 90s plus no more passive condemned accumulation while holding tapes is a massive nerf. There is no reason now for survivors to not immediately remove the tape from the TV next to the gen they're working on, which means that Sadako won't be able to TP to gens that are being worked on.

Laughing at all of these potato survivor mains crying on Twitter about the Prove and BNP nerfs while yet again Killers got the more damaging changes overall and have to change their playstyle yet again. Esp sucks if you're a Spirit and Onryo main like me lol.

brings joy to my life when he gets mad about the hook grabs 😂 can't wait to see his reaction about face-camping nerf

I was slowly quitting and finished the pass. Now I'm done, I will keep supporting tru3t but it's done for me.

I agree with you 100%. I really like this game (or at least I used to), but the devs are doing their best to destroy it. I might have to uninstall this game...again.

The Water-Logged Shoe buff will be interesting. In exchange for basically being "Set-up Freddy" who can't do his pools on the fly and has zero 4v1... having the worst killer power in the game as a result... they're making her the killer with the fastest base speed not tied to her power. I'm curious to see how that goes.

A certain dev seems too in love with the token, scourge hook, and endurance systems in game. They also seem too in love with giving survivors hand holding shit. I can’t wait until DBD gets proper competition.

The things that mainly concern me are the reporting I feel like it’s still easy for people to get others banned by falsely reporting them. I also think the removal of hook grabs completely is unnecessary and excessive due to the fact it would be coming along with the anti camp mechanics they talked about and it removes the killers ability to punish survivors for unsafe hook rescues. Now survivors will all be able to block and take hits and unsafely rescue their teammates and in the end game if that happens it’s game over. True talent basically just described it the ability to get one survivor down and another on the hook is gone and now survivors have an easier time escaping. And just for the record I play both survivor and killer and when I do play killer I don’t want to camp half the time but sometimes I don’t have a choice.

LMAO I love the Stanley Parable W Dono 1:13

Part of what made Onryo good was that the condemned effect worked as tracking. You knew if you teleported to someone, with it global it is a massive nerf to here chase starting capabilities. Major nerf poorly dressed as a buff

On top of the new change, hang man’s trick should add 1 extra scourge hook and make all scourge hooks unsabatageable, and when sacrificed on the scourge hook would either respawn after a minute or a different hook would become a scourge hook

I don’t get the hook grab complaint. It’s annoying as hell to get grabbed for unhooking. Hook camping requires no skill and is dumb. Camping hooks isn’t helpful and only makes it easier for survivors to complete generators just so you can kill 1 survivor. I’ve never had an instance where it was better for me to camp and get a hook grab over finding another survivor to down.

What I wanna know is Why they remove all extra bloodpoint s from perks. First it was bubba's perk and now prove thyself. They just want you to not get as much bp or what?

Nah, the anti camping mechanic is a game saver. 95 percent of people are casual and killers have a much higher win rate using scummy methods vs players who don’t know maps like the back of their hands, or can juke constantly. Survivors are a lot weaker the lower the skill tier you good.

Removing hook grabs is dumb I found that interaction very intense as both sides

The problem for the most top 5-10% players is that they expect that the Devs will balance the game to their advance, but thats not true. The focus is always on the whole community (since most players are not top tear) and some changes may be bad in the eye for top players /killer-or survivor mains but not for the rest (see the healing nerv on last patch). But you still can play, only ppl need to adjust their gameplay and can't do the same anymore.

I really hope the disconnect bot keeps the hook stage progress the survivor had.

Old: Nerf pig jokes New: Nerf onryo jokes I can already see the comments: We are aware of [insert any fucking stupid thing from this game] and we have decided to nerf Sadako.

There's literally any killer mains on Twitch now lmao.... NO ONE PLAYS THIS ROLE and now they'll play it even less. They should just make the killer an AI bot now, so survivor mains can run around in their cosmetics.

You can definitely feel the change in tone when the patch note author starts writing from a survivor point of view. You're right about that.

the removal of hook grabs and the adding of bots is a terrible idea these bots have inhuman reactions and r quite good at looping certain loops replacing a survivor with a bot is pretty much an upgrade for the survivor side try hitting a hatchet, its not fun, they will dodge everything I also wonder how they want the bots to replace a survivor who DCs, what if u r in the middle of a pick up animation or a hook animation or mori? they better be placed at the exact same place as the survivor even if its during an animation and removing hook grabs is a guarantee escape imagine how frustating this can be in the end game colaps when u want to secure ur first kill after getting owned by the enemy how is this not survivor sided?

If you look real close you can see tru3 losing his mind every time a patch note drops.

Playing as survivor feels like playing one of those dumb mobile games: there‘s no challenge, no learning curve, everyone can master it within hours. Free for all. Another similarity to mobile games: the companies behind want as many active players as possible so that massive numbers attract even more people. If then even just 1% of them buys something like ingame currencies then money comes in = profit. So to close the loop: make your product as simple to use to attract as many persons as possible to increase the chances they „invest“ in your product. So guys, don‘t even expect BHVR will anytime make DbD ‚harder‘ or anything more ‚human-skill-based‘ because that would harm the trend for a solid Cashflow.

Not people overreacting to the changes

slowly but surely dbd will die, and its thanks to updates like this.. tbh some of the changes like trail of torment for example will be amazing in conjunction with other perks, in this case overcharge.. but why remove hook grabbing? I barely do it myself but when you need to, you NEED to. Now survivors can freely just get their team mate off the hook. They wrote it as if it was annoying for both sides but in response they just make a change that favors survivors? why not fix rollback.. haha

most hook grabs scenarios are a 180 turn in favor of the killer. However it mostly happens when the survivors are already winning by a big margin so this change is gonna make the survivors escape more easily making the escape rates go higher and thus a surv nerf will come. And no more easy 4 escapes blundered to a grab so that's quite nice.

I can’t wait until about a tear from now when no one wants to play killer. They have a huge killer buff which will be super satisfying… alternatively the game suffocates itself.

I was happy that they gave Sadako another look, but... yeah, that is a huge nerf. Her TP was her saving grace - I would rather have that with no cooldown than the 3/4 condemn stack.

Hangman's and Sadako getting nerfed is the funniest update yet

Man as a Sadako main, I mainly focus on making chase builds for her. But just reading these nerfs really broke something inside me.

_Honestly, Sadako got nerfed hard in high MMR. Any good survivor will just hold a take for the entirity of the match. Since holding a tape does not build up condempt, and it grants you immunity to condemn, there is literally nothing stopping you from holding it. Sadako only giving you 1 stack with a basic attack to survivors with a tape is not enough nor is giving players with a tape with condemn a stack when she hooks. You need to hit them 7 times to build that comdemned up, or hit them a few times and hook other people a few times. The thing is that survivors can super essily just place the tape they hold into a TV to remove their condemned while you're chasing another survivor, or while you're in the process of hooking them. Even if you chase a survivor with max condemn, it's super easy now to just go to the nearest TV and reduce the stacks mid chase. Sure, you may take a hit or go down. But you take away the killer's main power. Furthermore, since all TVs are available to survivors, that'd also mean that they'd see the aura of every TV when they hold a tape. So they knoe what spots to avoid. Honestly, the devs really dropped the ball. The tape needs to build condemn stacks for this to be a buff. Otherwise this is a massive nerf if anything, as now Sadako's teleportation would no longer be able to give condemn to any survivor. Before at least you could strategically teleport after survivors to force that condemn, and even then it was not easy and took a lot of skill. This is trash._

Complaining about "sweating" proves mmr is doing it's job. If you're going against competent players, they should be about on par with you.

Meanwhile from Scott: overall great changes

Devs found the crackpipe again guys. It's over

Killer Mains: *complains about hook grab removed* Me: *laughs in 8 stacks of Save the Best for last*

hopefully TCM will be the final nail in BHVR's coffin

It just keeps getting worse! As a killer main, this is very discouraging and if it keeps going in the same direction, i might just switch to survivor because thats is the only way i can have fun. Playing killer feels so intimidating and i have to sweat extremely hard and i might get 2 kills if im lucky and i might just get like a black pip which is crazy. I have a lot of experience in this game and ive had a lot of practice ever since release, this is just sad for me because i love playing killer but its not as fun as it used to, because I run into braindead survivors and swf, and all they have to do is palette camp strong loops and run to the next and by the time I catch one survivor, all the gens fly by. I don't like complaining and I believe in getting better at the game which I've actively been doing but it really has gotten to point where survivors Don't have to learn to be good at the game because they have so much advantages, sometimes it feels like the survivors are the killer and im the one who needs to survive the game😅 I play survivor too, and I'm shocked how easy we can make a comeback and gen rush and escape even when we are getting owned by a good killer 😭

Tru mot sure if you mentioned this but imagine the no hook grabs in conjunction with that deliverance thing the devs briefly talked about

happy to see trail of torment buffed. Stealthing is fun and the perk technically gives you info if someone touches the gen again.

No more grabs, let's go!✊

I would enjoy more survivor action tough ! I like watching good plays by killers from the survivor point of view. And also i like watching the killer chasing you ( i only play killer and i am trash as survivor so for me is cool to see ) maybe going without objects and using less perks or less effective perks could make those matches more fun.

Prove Thyself hasn’t been changed since the start of the game btw 😁

They managed to make Onryo so much worse. WTF

I don’t think I’ve audibly gasped as loud as I did when I read all these changes

This game is done

TCM releasing next month will be our saviour, so hyped after the tech test

Next Update: “We’ve all been in that situation before, you’re trying to have fun playing survivor but there’s a jerk trying to kill you and ruin your fun, because of this we’ve removed the killer from the game entirely. Now survivors can be free to do gens without their fun being ruined.

The more they nerf killer, the more players they're gonna lose. At that point, how are survivors gonna find a game if no one's playing The Killer?

Killer mains trying not to cry about any change in dbd (IMPOSSIBLE)

Survivors keeps getting easier and easier. Infinite hastus, infinite gen vision with speed bonus infinite pallet vision... now you dont even need to time grab💀 whats next what more csn they possibily need?

I started playing dbd in beta and I used to love this game. Many funny strategies, you had a respect from killer and you actually feared him. When Michael Myers came out, it was truly terryfing. Sadly, devs totally ruined this game since then. They changed it from thrilling horror game to purely competive toxic game, where your only goal is to tryhard af, abuse broken perks and addons/items, abuse toxic strategies and bully the other side as much as possible. I eventually stopped playing it and since then, the game is only getting worse and worse with every update. RIP old Dead by Daylight.

With the brand new part, you stack all on one then leave it for last

How long will Tru3 continue to play the more these devs add these types of patches?

Everyone complains about these killers but carries on playing the game nothing is gonna change guys 💀💀💀

the update on handmans trick shows that devs dont understand why the perk is useless lol

Taking a tape is now a strategic choice…if they think just grabbing a tape and holding on to it for most of the game is strategic then I don’t know what to say

I'm a little scared about the report feature being abused to report killers that meme or use their brain to win. I've been suspended once already for a week for "chat harassment" and I never said anything bad imo -- just like "nyaa uwu" ect.

Same shit different patch. Killers complain about Survivor favoritism and Survivors complain about Killer favoritism. Happens every single patch for the last 7 years. Once your realize this company “markets” according to its “countries” political leanings you’ll no longer be left feeling like you’ve been betrayed, (both killers and survivors) every single patch. Behavior is an ESG, DEI bullshit company that also creates customer volume by upsetting its player base. You see this in politics since forever and now simply notice that practice has “swamped” all corners of commerce. It’s a disgusting practice and we see many social media influencers doing this all the time. Play DbD but don’t think for one second you’re dealing with an ethical company. P.S. Great analysis of the patch. Cheers!

The bots are absolutely crap, I've played multiple games in custom and they will run before they hear your terror radius and they watch you through walls, you can't mind game them they instantly know what way your going, like stretched res survivors and for some reason are programmed to teabag