As an expat Brit now living in Oz, thank you for such an amazing video. My heart swelled with pride for the work everyone has performed. Well done to you all
D200 was the first and last Class 40 to leave London Liverpool Street Station. I was on the last trip in April 1988 to Norwich. It then went on to The National Railway Museum. It was a very emotional day.
I had a great day cycling over from Chester le Street to Shildon to see the New Hall and the re arranged Main Hall. Fantastic that Locomotion has some additional exhibits. It’s a lovely site and staff are great. The price of a ‘can of water’ is scandalous though! Hopefully we can expect to see more new exciting exhibits at the Birthplace of the Railways 👍
They needed a child with a hornby set to plan that, it would be their dream 😅 Shame the lines aren't connected in the new shed. Having to do half a dozen lorry movements to get the thing out the back will be very expensive meaning the exhibits will never change. If the lines had been connected someone would've moved stuff around for fun.
why hasn't D200 been returned to service after all that hard work in the 80's to save it which Peter Kelly was involved in.and a lot of us paid in to it ?
I need to make the trip up to Locomotion at some point, would love to see this collection. I am curious though, New Hall not having any natural lighting seems like a very odd choice.
@@Dwagginz light damage is a major concern for all museum objects, although to varying degrees. It causes fading of colours and also degrades plastics. Natural light is the worst but even artificial light has an effect - it's why you won't be permitted to use flash photography in museums displaying textile and paper objects.
Lovely video, was great to see the ES1 in the daylight. To every "expert" in the comments, if you dont have any thing nice or constructive to say, then dont say anything at all. I agree, their are somethings i would have preferred. But i dont have any experience running a museam and neither do you. Im just glad its getting investment after being made part of the science group.
@SabotsLibres theirs a few more since I put my comment on. I do agree that not every point being made is bad, I did say that I don't personally agree with all the choices. But my comment was more aimed at those who were making unescesserly derogatory, pretentious and mocking comments. It's 100% fair to have an opion, just don't voice it in such a manner. I wasn't addressing every comment made in my intial comment.
A railway museum with only truncated tracks that cannot switch to one another, nor which connect to any operating lines, seems... Short-sighted. Moving _anything_ is going to inevitably be a palaver.
@@ShadowDragon8685 Thats what im thinking about, is it just gonna be the exact same stuff in that space? because eventually its just going to become a bit boring
If they don't move things around in the shed, people will see video and pictures of it, and, at best, they might decide to visit the place once, and then never return. At worst, they'll think that they've seen everything in videos and photographs, and choose never to visit such a fossilised display. Move things around regularly, to highlight specific vehicles for special occasions, and people will visit repeatedly. 'Variety is the spice of life.'
@@benkai09 the majority of the vehicles in new hall were previously stored in the open air and part of this project's aims was to ensure as much as our collection is under cover as possible. So we're not creating much new space versus improving the storage we had. However, you will find some new arrivals in York - particularly Cheltenham and Henry Oakley which have returned from loans in the last couple of months.
'As the sun sinks slowly in the West.' is another one which raises ire. Where else does the sun set? In any case, there was no problem with the logistics of the move; there were a number of challenges perhaps, but not problems. The only problems lie in the lack of logic in choosing such a ridiculous site and rail structure for the new museum building.
They should cut one of the sides out of the 40 and 31 so you can view the engine room, boiler room, blowers, compressors, exhausters and control cubicle.
im assuming their doing this so they can do the renovations and upgrades to the nrm, because they're having renovations done to it to build new areas and to update existing ones, so they're moving everything to locomotion so when they do it, the trains don't get in the way, and when its done they'll be brought back to the nrm, so this is a temporary thing, and the locomotion museum is still opening so people still have a place to go to see the trains but also because its a train museum so of course its gonna be open, so this is pretty cool because not only do you have the normal trains there, but ones that are there temporarily there to, cool.
This is no temporary holding area. New Hall is an exhibition space, each road is themed and inside you'll receive an insight into Shildon's crucial role in railway history. It will not be deserted when work in York is completed. Things will keep moving about every now and then as they always have done, to keep displays interesting and support events and exhibitions across all sites. A lot of the objects in New Hall have been waiting for a proper home for a while and it's not the case that there's been a mass eviction from York.
@@NatRailwayMuseum the idea of having each road specifically themed to something is cool, also, having engines moving to either the nrm or locomotion is also nice as say if you go to the nrm once, then when you next go its there again could get boring after awhile so keeping things fresh is always welcome and also wherever the objects that need a home end up, im sure it'll be a good home at that.
What an error, creating a hall of rail vehicles, at a railway site, and not connecting it to any form of access lines. Every new movement, arrival or departure will need an external contractor - with accompanying costs - to be realized (although it’s good news for Allelys!)
To the National Railway Museum, please don’t give away any more of your locos or rolling stock. The museum has felt more and more empty every time I’ve visited, and many of my favourite exhibits are no longer there. Please don’t send Henry Oakley away either, as it has only just come back on display for the first time in years, and I intend to go see it.
They’re not giving away their locos, if I’m correct Locomotion is owned by the NRM. They’re just moving some of their locos and stock to somewhere more convenient, especially considering the maintenance needed at the NRM building in York.
I know right! It looked so good! If they’d moved Duchess of Hamilton as well I wouldn’t have minded so much, but to only move the coach seems so idiotic.
@@BrokenIET Exactly, Well now duchess of Hamilton can join the group of locomotives that are utterly in a shamble in the great hall like the Q1 sat thinking where has its tender gone, meanwhile it is sat outside begging to be let back in. Edit: Just realised in a recent video they have also removed the engine that has been cut in half, allowing you to see the inner workings ... Another questionable choice
@@BrokenIET Update: i found where they put the lms carriage , its in the Shildon main hall plonked behind a diesel in a slightly dark spot, Just like @ballbag said aswell, The APT has been seperated and split apart inside the musuem... they just don't seem to like having the overal train completed together
I used to go on steam railtours to York and have a break in the museum. If all that's going to be left there is a Japanese electric, a Chinese steam locomotive and Mallard, it hardly seems worth visiting.
It would have been great at Doncaster Museum, but they only put in 2 tracks. It ought to be somewhere, easy to take engine doors off and identify parts as 35028 steamer..
@@napsbrickrailways2290 Not forgetting D212, 40106, 40118, 40135 and D345. Sadly the NRM should rebrand as the national flying Scotsmen and royal train museum.
So what you've created is a locomotive shed for " storing " engines , nothing is set out for people to stand back to look at , who wants to just stare up at everything ?? you'd come out of there with neck ache
So that explains why last month I went to the National Railway Museum at York and was very disappointed. There was literally nothing much there. I was heartbroken. I spent years wanting to go the moment I go there’s pretty much nothing there and now it sounds like I’m only a few minutes into this video most of the collections going further up north, if that’s the case I never go back to the York site ever again because that was not worth going if this is their major plan I think it’s a mistake
@@Rob1972Gem That's more to do with various parts of the museum being closed, and some locos being off display for conservation work, rather than the shunt taking place in this video. If you look in New Hall, not much of what is there has come from Great Hall or elsewhere in York
@@NatRailwayMuseum I understand they’re having work done but there is literally hardly anything there very disappointing DP1 prototype Deltic not there all the things to take away why that one? The amount of people I heard complaining that they wish that was there and the load of people saying that was the main reason they went Very poor the way they’re working around the work which apparently is gone way over schedule
D200 & 31018 need to be made usable in running condition and do a raiitour as well as D6700 and get them earning money 💰 + now all the best locomotives are gone from york so the NRM need some decent loco's to replace what they have hired out or sold on! also D8000 the prototype class 20 where has it vanished to!!! Good video 😍
To be honest as a lifelong enthusiast and many time visitor to York and Sheldon both as a visitor and operationally on support crew I now wouldn’t go back, they are interpreted badly, the exhibits have no cohesion, not enough exhibits are loaned out, just a lifeless grand coffee shop. The management never listen to feedback, the loss of the works was a travesty. Cheap cheap cheap is their motto, and what should be the jewel in our crown is nothing more than a warehouse badly interpreted
We couldn't stop laughing when we went to the viewing gallery with my mum excited to stand there again and sit on the seats.. only to find out they shoved air conditioners Infront of the seats for.. Suprise suprise.. WONDERLAB!!! Not only have we lost the works, but the signalling exhibition has been absolutely stripped of all of the interactive parts like building the wooden train and driving that mini model in a circle with the signal.. they go on about wanting it to be more interactive as they wreck the most interactive space???
@@LeodisTrainSpotter agreed, and also a national railway museum with a franchise operated miniature railway and only certain standard gauge rides using hired in engines?! Shildon a bit different but I drove 142s for over 10 years! It’s an absolute disgrace, they need to learn from the French national railway museum and quickly
@@ConfusedOxygen Me and my mums reaction when we realised that the works was removed, our hearts were broken, my strongest memory of the entire museum was seeing the flying Scotsman in the works
What an absolute bunch of negative people commenting on this video. It is what it is, if you don't like it or what they do then go somewhere else and whinge like little kids.
What’s ashame is that the locomotives and vehicles will never return to its full operational condition given the understanding of the reasonings. The idea of the new hall is somewhat odd although this can be towed by the looks of things however will take somewhat hours or days to do so. Understandably this may be to do with costs and nature of the land in terms of space. The nature of NRM themselves is pretty odd in terms of its exhibit although I have never been other than looking at photos itself. The science lab itself is somewhat odd but will give credits for adding bits and bobs that are relevant to the railway. At the end of the day, NRMs a museum as what it stands for and it isn’t a heritage railway with the exception it does have a demonstration line in Shildon. For those commenting to bring a certain vehicles or locomotives. If you have the money to make something operational or whatever, crack on you can do it. If not, then accept fate. As the saying goes “action speaks louder than words”.
What a stupid idea not having direct rail access to the new hall! At least a traverser would have made sense. Probably would have cost the same as the low loaders to move all of this stuff!
@@neiloflongbeck5705 how much did moving all of those items on low loaders cost vs installing a traverser and a spur line. If the my didn’t spend all their money on grand waste of space atriums and play cafes it might be value for money.
@rodneybates2135 a lot less. A traverser is for life, a low-loader is for the moment. Also, the spur tracks would have to be long enough for the longest wheelbase vehicle to pass over including any vertical curves (a Class 40,for example, cannot handle vertical curves of less than 18 chains).as for the atrium and play cafés, sounds .ike you want a more Victorian atmosphere i the museum with every item properly stuffed and mounted. Well, you have to join the modern world. Not every visitor holds your views,not every visitor is old enough to appreciate the exhibits due to their age.
You NRM folks really don't like that class 31 do you? "Moving a British Railways Class 37"?! It's the last surviving Toffee Apple Brush Type 2 and the first production BR diesel loco with cabs at both ends (the LMS & SR diesels before it were prototypes). Oddly, my relative based at Stratford TMD was the first BR driver to drive both D200 (LST to NRW) & D5500 (LST to Yarmouth SouthTown) in revenue earning service.
Are all the national rail museums still free entry, I'm not a killjoy but museums are usually free entry and so they should be as far as I'm concerned, but all the splaff on moving all the locos must cost money so I'm just curious .
Yeah it's still free admission for all Science Museum Group museums, including Locomotion and the National Railway Museum. Always worth checking our websites for the latest info.
@@damiendye6623I'm pretty sure the longterm security is actually least of the issue, and the concern is primarily over the ability to service stock and keep it on workings (live rails).
You might want to have a read of these stories: www.locomotion.org.uk/objects-and-stories/life-booming-railway-town www.locomotion.org.uk/objects-and-stories/shildon-cradle-railways
But why would you have a shed but not rail connected? Why have a bus museum but no road. What a waste and a sad amount of money wasted moving trains. In a country trying to be carbon natural
Ah these are all just vehicles now , not locomotives or engines just vehicles. Simplistic management speak just take the passion, pleasure and emotion out of it all. so it no longer matters where these "vehicles" are any more. Forget all the history as these are only vehicles
For the pure logistics of moving them aroubd it's easier to refer to them all as a vehicle. On the plan they can be given a number (1, 2, 3 e.t.c.) which everyone can understand instead of having to reference the loco/wagon number
@trainsimulatordriver I'm gonna assume their were a lot of other factors, such as the loaders and what not. When they refer to the logistical operation, they probably mean getting all that too. Either way, theirs no need to be pretentious. They did well and have helped to preserve some lovely bits of railway history.
@@rodneybates2135 I mean... Being a railway museum, if they actually had that shuttle be something like the surviving InterCity Pullmans, you could make that one hell of a day outing.
As someone that once worked at Kingmoor, it's always cute seeing a 10 minute job being referred to as a "super shunt"... Even seeing all the parts on the table being shifted about (2:37) to visualise it makes me giggle. A good shunter can do ALL of that, for the whole yard, in their heads. One of my colleagues can keep all the moves for a full 12 hours of solid shunting, in a fairly awkward yard, in his head. It's truly incredible to watch him dart in and out of wagons and trains like a ferret, while watching his puzzles all move around each other and then into place. Even at 18:44, there's so many people doing what I see to be the job of one shunter and one driver. Moral of the story; get a professional in next time.
They're not a railway company. They're a museum. They're not locomotives. They're museum exhibits. I thought it was a great video that showed the planning and care that went into moving some really special exhibits between new buildings.
Yes because the yard at kingmoor is exactly like this. In addition, you worked at kingmoor and you say this takes ten minutes? Okay buddy. Stop being pretentious.
It’s probably just where they’ve built it? It’s not a small facility - there may not have been a suitable plot of land near enough to the existing track to build a connection.
Speaking to one of the staff at Shildon, they are intended for permenant static display. No need for a mainline connection if they never intend to get them out again. A shame, as I would have loved to see the ES1 running.
@damiendye6623 it has pickup shoes, so a third rail would work too. The Tyne and Wear metro actually still works on overhead power lines. It would never run their, but it could work. The line runs directly through where she used to work too.
Lack on money and space. The New Hall is higher than the Main Hall. A Class 40 cannot handle a vertical curve that is has a radius of less than 18 chains (1 chains 66ft).
I used to visit the NRM every year when holidaying in the area. What with a combination of weekday closures, exhibits being closed off and seemingly endless renovation and refurbishment works, overpriced food and drinks, £10 for parking (yes, you did read that right), I don't think I'll bother for a few years. Why are they taking the class 31 and 40 away? They were one of the top attractions? It's not the same place as 20 years ago - sorry.
In fairness the parking is the only charge. If you arrive by train or bus you obviously don't need to pay anything. Admission is free. I agree the food is too expensive.
I am disappointed seeing how everything is so closely packed in there you cannot walk around the exhibits just up and down each row, and no way will you be able to take any photos or video even with a wide angle lens. York will not be worth going to either now unless there is some special event on. I used to call in there often before all this started, to see progress on Sir Nigel and before that Flying Scotsman. Now one of my favourite exhibits has been sent to Burry Transport Museum another to Doncaster and another to Shildon.
@@jameslikesbooks I don't mind they have a 2nd museum to visit but they have taken so much away from York and replaced it with a cafe and kids play area, done away with the restoration area and viewing gallery and done away with the locomotive servicing area. I suspect another exhibit is soon to be moved with another working from Carnforth, NRM to Shildon in the schedule shows on Railcam UK data
What is the point of disperse the exhibits? Is it to reduce costs and increase revenue. If so why not move some exhibts to London to get more visitors?
Could you not move the collection even further North to make it more inaccessible? It seems to be the trend 😞 Why not Birmingham to bring it more towards the centre of the British Isles?
A few years ago the plan was to move things to Leicester North at the end of the Great Central Railway. There was a big banner on a wall The New Home of the NRM
Because Shildon is well-known as the cradle of the railways, and the North deserves to be proud of their heritage, industrial or otherwise. The collection deserves to be there as a monument to the hardwork of the local people who grafted to make the railways and locomotions what they are today. Funnily enough, it is not inaccessible especially if you go by rail 😉
@@Clare-t7f It depends where you live, or stay on holiday. York is on a main line and just a short 5 mins walk from station to museum entrance Shildon a little over one hour by train from York then a 15 mins walk from the station to the museum entrance. I agree Shildon is a very important town in our railways history and deserves a good museum but moving so many of our National collection there and displaying it in a way that is a lot less inviting than the NRM did is not a good idea to me.
@@vickielawless when it comes to locomotives, dual brake refers to the locomotive being fitted with both air and vacuum train brakes and not the brakes on the locomotive which are unusalky airbrakes. I can't think of a British diesel locomotive that used vacuum brakes for its own brakes. The Class 09 had air locomotive brakes and both air and vacuum train brakes. Now sutomatic vacuum brakes come on when air is supplied to the braking system. It's a fail safe system. To take the brakes off you have to created a vacuum of 21 inches of mercury (a total vacuum is 30 inches of mercury beliw ambient air pressure).
Whatever happened to the NRM that put hardwicke, cheltenham, the Stirling single, duchess of hamilton, mallard, black 5 5000, the super D and the midland compound back in steam and getting diesels back on the main line, including the prototype HST..this new NRM is too worried about static exhibitions...gone to the dogs...you have 14yrs till mallards 100th anniversary of the world speed record..get it back on the mainline
No. Mallard is an important museum piece that needs to be preserved for future generations. It is not a toy to be played with on the big mainline train set.
I’m ok with them not having lots of things running but surely something should be operating. I get that the uk has an extraordinary number of working heritage railways but look at the name of this place, the National Rail Museum. We are back in Australia after our first trip to the Uk. Being train mad we visited Swanage, Didcot and Gloucestershire Warwickshire railways plus Swindon, Crewe and the NRM. Hands down, my wife and I were both disappointed in the NRM. Lots of shiny locos but all just felt dead. Swindon told the story of how locos were built, the role railways played in society with holidays, plus it had a great interactive little signal box where you could operative a lever frame to move trains around. Crewe took the signal box experience to another with a signalman running through a typical day, I spent an hour operating that lever frame, listening to bell codes etc. the coolest thing about the NRM was the original signal teaching layout in the second hall, which is kind of like a storeroom you can wander through. It only operated occasionally and I had missed it by a week. I guess perhaps some of people running this museum don’t realise that for many people, like overseas tourists, we don’t get to come back every 3 months to check on the progress of things and see what new things are on display. You do not have take my word for this, try going to the Japans National Railway Musuem. Amazing, lots of displays, lots of locos you can pop into and sit, for example, in the drivers seat of a Shinkansen. They also have a roundhouse attached to the museum with yes, steam locomotives in steam. The coolest thing about going to the NRM for me was standing on the platform at York and seeing two active Class 37s come into the station, stop for bit, then growl on out. Maybe York will be amazing one day, when all the work in complete, who knows. Sorry for the length, I am pretty passionate about railways, even did a driving day on the Gloucester Warwickshire Railway, driving and firing their 2807 GWR locomotive, that was an amazing day.
@@BrokenIET But they are also much more expensive to maintain. And its cost that is the deciding factor. The Science Museum, of which the NRM is a part, has like many quangos had is funding slashed. It can't afford to do what it used to.
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@@grahamrowley1691 ... CONDESCENDING adjective con·de·scend·ing [kän-di-ˈsen-diŋ] -Synonyms of condescending: patronizing, arrogant, domineering, disdainful, bossy, supercilious, impudent, authoritarian, uppity, haughty, snooty, pretentious, pontifical, assumptive, snobbish, high-and-mighty- Showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others. Usually used by lefty liberals who wrongly assume that everyone else is an uneducated pleb. ... Also, after nearly 20 years working on the railway, I've never heard anyone use that word in that sense. But hey, I guess you know better. (Furthermore, I wasn't born in the UK, and English isn't my first language. But thank you for the explanation, I feel enlightened, and I shall sleep much better tonight)
I cannot believe that this part of the NRM is not connected by rail to the system. Surely heads should role of those involved in the design and selection of the site.
The NRM at York also allowed one of their yards to be completely disconnected from the network too. They only have the rail connection at the Great Hall now and not at the big yard area.
How stupid. Been some great large shows in the other yard. There does look like there is space at locomotion to connect at least a couple of tracks. I was hoping that there was plans for the waste yard land opposite the main line. Could make a good demonstration line and village station display
So I'll never be able to see those vehicles again. They're now too far North for many people. York was still a long journey, but still reachable for a day out. Whose great idea was this?
