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you don't see this type of genius even among great musicians too often - such philosophical understanding of the flow of time and music and how it all relates. love this guy. master of the snare drum. i'm not surprised at all that he became a musicologist - he's so smart. but our lives are short and there's only so much you can do even if you're bill bruford.
What is often more important than swimming with big well-defined strokes in the river of time is being able to "feel" that you're going "with" the stream and not against it. In other words, there is a deeply intuitive aspect to locking on to the groove ("being in flow") which can't easily be learned or taught. That aspect is imo what separates a good drummer from a bad drummer at the end of the day. Infact, once you're in flow, there is really no such thing as time: there is simply the existence of perfect musical harmony.
I love bills teaching he's so conceptual as opposed to a teacher that just tells you to learn the rudiments or "what happened on measure 32 of your solo"
Now this is a great idea. But, I think, in general if one was to say "I would love to have heard him (Bill Bruford) play on a (anyone) song" I believe everyone would give you an updoot. Like me. :)
Even though he is known for playing complicated and inventive prog music, he is in reality a jazz fusion drummer...he would have been phenomenal on a Steely Dan album.
It would be a dream to hear him in a Steely Dan album like Aja or Gaucho. Maybe it will be a great combination between Fagen and Bruford. It's a shame but I think that Bruford was too technically close to do a drums track like Jeff Porcaro.
@@Tyrell_Corp2019 Maybe. Bruford and Porcaro are different drummers. Anyway sometimes it is good to dream about collaborations between different musicians.
Bill substituted for Phil Collins who is a monster drummer himself (Brand X) while on tour when Phil was asked to substitute for a monster himself (no, maybe alien?) on vocals. They all succeeded well and sounded great. I love King Crimson too.
The Yes album was the first time I noticed the incredible subtelty and this drummers ability to add to to a creative bands sounds. You listen to the wonderful music as an entity then, you start to listen to and appreciate the musicians. All were virtuosos on that album. But then, I picked up in the drumming. The complexity and the space and the ability to surprise and provoke and amaze. As a listener to much of his work (Yes. King Crimson, earthworks) he educated me as to what the drums could be. Thanks Bill.
I cannot understand why more young drummers aren't getting into this aspect of Bill's playing and Knowledge. This should have at least 10,000 hits by now!
I love what Bill has to say in various interviews about rhythm and beat...and especially setting up a "groove." Brilliant. His style has influenced mine more than any other. "Discipline" is one of my favorite pieces of music of all time.
Just a brilliant drummer , he has a natural ability with odd time signatures . He makes every band he plays with sound great , shame he has retired from public performance , a real musician , always moving forward , probably the most underrated drummer we have had the privilege to hear . For example , during his short stint with Genesis he put a much needed edge to their sound , completely eclipsing Phil Collins , all his ventures have produced something worth listening to and given inspiration to countless drummers.
Hello, Bill this is drummer Jerry cuccurullo and I want you to know that I loved your show at the bottom line circa1982, I was playing with L.Shankar, my favorite violinist and probably yours too, but I was fortunate to meet and talk with you backstage after your Earth Works show. Bill where did 30 yrs go?Lol you are a gem of a musician and very humble to boot.,😃
Great advice. Listening to Bill Bruford gives me a headache. He is rarely an easy listen which makes me appreciate him all the more and one of the few drummers I still fail to fully understand
I've been at it a couple years. Trying to do a cover of 'Heart of the Sun Rise' Ran out of ink for printing music. But the more I watch Bill B. The better I get. One of the most intricate amazing drummers ever if not the best.
Yes! I agree. When I listen to Starship Trooper for instance some of his fills are just incredible. Just a few strokes here and there with such precision and its like they form a life of their own and yes. Go perfectly with the song. Close to the edge! Amazing. I cant wait to get my shoulder done so I can practice again. As you can probably see I need it. I Specially with my rlrlrlr strokes. Ive under estimated the importance of them 32nd notes etc..... Thanks for your input Hillo. Its very much appreciated. Oh yea. Reading music is something Im getting more involved in too. I can practice about 10 minutes but then my shoulder starts up. Lost a few decent opportunities with bands because of it. But I'll never give it up.
Un gran baterista sin duda de todos los tiempos, gran versatilidad, su gran currículum lo avala, grupos y estilos de gran variedad, King Crimson , Yes, Génesis, Gong, U.K. ... Todo un maestro de las percusiones, seguro los que amamos el rock progresivo lo recordamos con alegría y respeto.
I saw him at one of the drum clinics he held. he talked about yes and king crimson and how he came up with the drum parts. He was there for over 3 hours. I talked to him about his technique and why he played certain parts the way he did- and the phrasing he used- it was fantastic. Even talked about why he left Yes. He did a 20 minute drum solo and then explained how he used certain patterns in it.
I just Love Lake, Bill, Roger, Greg , and ALL of the Other wonderful people in "The Band"; And, Everyone, Everywhere else that does what they in particular, do.
Bruford debe ser el batería más completo sonido velocidad creatividad hizo rock progresivo jazz y además compuso gran batería en grandes grupos y solista
I tried to explain this to many bands when I used to play way back in the day. Most felt that drummers were supposed to "play along" with the band. In reality, it is the band that is supposed to play to the beat of the drums. As Bruford reaffirms here, once the drumbeats start, the drummer has to be locked into the flow of the piece timing wise; he must not disturb it. This means he has to lead the band by defining the timing, not play along with them. My opinion has always been that the drummer in popular music is equivalent to the conductor of an orchestra, at least regarding tempo and rhythm.
Excellent adive, Sir ! Examples : Jerry Edmonton, Steppenwolf / Drummer of 5 man Electrical band / Gary Malaber, Steve Miller Band / Drummer of 3 Dog Night / Drummer of Dr Hook / Drummer of the Byrds / drummer of Humlbe Pie - Jerry Shirley / a n d Richie Allbright - on the Rainy Day Woman, live album ! Magnificent, Richie ! accents, ghost notes = perfect in this tune. thank-you ,...Dr Bill Bruford ! .....Drummer of Boney M / Abba drummer .../ on and on.....lotsa them...not so much, Now adays,...though. El Estepario....if your into that kind of ....um....' stuff '.
I remember Bruford saying once that you need space to create a groove. Seems like an obvious statement, but at the time Peart and others seemed to play non-stop fills and rolls and his comment caused me to pause and not strike...letting the space create the groove. Insanely useful observation for me at the time.
I am a huge Zeppelin fan and John Bonham is probably my favorite drummer for that reason, but Bill Bruford gets another side of the instrument for me. He can do heavy drumming as well, but I think where Bruford shines is the fresh, crispy, and airy sound that usually drummers in Jazz have. (for an example of drums with an "air" listen to Take Five Dave Brubeck). I'm a guitar player but I love seeing Bill do his thing! So interesting and drummers have such a good grasp of rhythm it helps see other instruments differently too!
First saw him in 71' with Yes where his playing was appropriately frenetic but great. Continued seeing him thru his King Crimson and Earthworks group era. I see his point in retiring but his live playing will be sorely missed!
What is often more important than swimming with big well-defined strokes in the river of time is being able to "feel" that you're going "with" the stream and not against it. In other words, there is a deeply intuitive aspect about locking on to the groove (being in "flow") which can't easily be learned or taught. That aspect is imo what separates a good drummer from a bad drummer at the end of the day. Infact, once you're in flow, there is really no such thing as time: there is simply the existence of perfect musical harmony.
How does one know a singer is at the door? Can't find the key and doesn't know when to come in. :) BTW. Bill once helped me with a student issue. Great guy he is, Bill. :) Thanks Bill. :)
Not only interesting, but I've been thinking for a long time it's the best, most ergonomical and efficient way to set up a kit. Crossing your arms to play hats is nuts, and hats are maybe the most played thing on a set on most styles. On that set up, you have them in front of you, easily reachable from the snare, and lets you play open handed, with the left arm or right, no matter what. Sadly I've never had a drum set nor haven't had the chance to play one for years, but I'm quite sure such set up would open more possibilities and make you play better. I'd even put the ride in front, too, just a little above the hats.
I love it. I bought a hi-hat stand that basically uses a wire in a tube rather than rigid metal so it can be placed anywhere and still be foot activated and tried to emulate this type of set up with the drums all flat at the same height and the hi-hat front and center and I really really wanted to make it work out but I just couldn't do it. I knew I wasn't Bill Bruford and that just confirmed it.
@user name .. Let me repeat.. c'mon, lighten up. I was just playing around with kit setup and trying to post a fun comment about it. This is not a serious matter to me.
He's not trying to show off, he doesn't need to ! What he's doing is illustrating a point. And very effectively, I might add. In the "beginner" fill he comes in a beat to early thus not resolving on the down beat, whereas both of the other fills come back exactly where they're supposed to. Neither of the last two fills "broke the flow".
7 years old and....... I started taking drum LESSONS in 3rd grade at 7 years ol.m(yeah I was a year ahead of everyone .,and not smart. It's public school) Between say 10 and 11 years old my Big sister gets Court of the ... you know the rest. I sit down and here 21st century. Crap I wanted to throw my sticks out the window. I knew how young Bill was and could only think GOOD LUCK. Well what a surprise. After listing to that amazing STYLE Bill became one of the few Drummers/Percussionists that I could always pick out of songs I never heard before. I don't know a lot of musicians that (invent is the wrong word) that within3 to 4 measures I know who it is. McCartney was one. Such a musical QUALITY to is playing. The joke "what's do you call a bass player without a girl friend. HOMELESS .That did not apply to (opiion) the only really musian in the . bunch. I THINK BILL WAS a defying signature of Crimson. KNOW one could contrbutedvto the style. Well Tripp, crap what do you say. I hope this is not going to end up as the Skynard of drummers. There very good. I sorry they are ROCK DRUMMERS. Nothing that carries your eye. The world is filled with them. Oh I have to get this off my chest. You ruined a favorite by using the dialogue portion of Indisipline and turning it into SONG lyrics. Well that version I can't glisten to. When they performed The Discipline tour (1981) or so. It was one of 4 great live shows I ever saw. The Tower theater in philly was a small venue maybe 1500 to 2000 people. I brought a co worker who although an amazing Chemist had no ear for music. She was astounded by that performance, and does say something about KC's unique sound . I will not forget Muir, cross Weston, and others to took part. If any of you READ THE NUMBER OOF TH BEAST BY HEINLEIN. NLet us hope mister is not on that ride to..... JERRY.
