@pantsarmstrong863 Stephen Lang as Ike Clanton was up there too. He makes you hate his character so much you want him to get killed. That's the mark of a great actor.
I watched the theatrical cut on Netflix, it was a good watch. I've been thinking about getting the directors cut for it. I loved the play version of the film as a kid as universal studios park, too
Willem Dafoe was an extra in Heaven's Gate, and there is.a pretty good documentary about the organized effort that took shape to take down the movie. I guess it got started when the director banned the press from the shoot so a journalist got hired on an an extra in order to get details on how the project was a runaway train financially.
Dafoe was originally supposed to play an actual character, a guy who ran the cockfights, but was fired off of the movie because he laughed at a joke an extra told him while the director was getting people in place for a scene. I'm not joking, the director was that much of a control freak.
Oliver Stone was rumored to have a coke habit it and wouldn't have anything to do with writing the screenplays for Midnight Express (1978), Scarface (1983, well shit there is where the rumor came to a head...yes?!) and Year of the Dragon (1985 co written with apparent control freak, studio bankruptcy auteur Michael Cimino). By the way Heaven's Gate IS too long, it IS pretentious, and yet, it is good and should be watched by any serious film fan.
Water world was great, Dennis hopper was great in it. It was basically mad max on water, the woman was pretty hot and had nice cans, what was not to like?
@@DavidLLambertmobile Ah yes, Mimi Rogers. I remember staying up late, when I was young, watching TV when Full Body Massage came on. Never knew what the movie was about but those scenes of Mimi were forever etched into my brain.
@@DavidLLambertmobileTom Cruise used to bang her!....(actually, he was just married to her.... Now that I think about, it doesn't really mean he did anything with her...cause...you know...Tom Cruise...😆)
I lost my s*!t when I saw the Worst Film Ever Made with a picture from Tombstone. A year later, Kevin Costner made Wyatt Earp, which had a great cast and Dennis Quaid played Doc Holliday like Val Kilmer did in Tombstone. But Tombstone was just amazing. When my beloved Red Sox were about to go to New York to start the 2004 ALCS, Kevin Millar said "Tell New York that we're coming and hell is coming with us. In high school , in 1984, I had to do a report on an American historical event. I did mine on the gunfight at the OK,Corral. I had a microfilm machine with newspaper clips. There was a picture of Billy Clanton (Ike's brother), Frank and Tom McLaury's lifeless bodies in coffins tilted upright for the cameras. There was also a picture of the real Wyatt Earp and he looked like Kurt Russell. Michael Cimino also directed a film version of the Mario Puzo Godfather tie in book, The Sicilian. In the book, Clemenza goes to Sicily to bring Michael Corleone back home after his exile.Don Vito also wants Clemenza to bring back a Sicilian guerrilla named Salvatore Guiliano. The movie was originally going to be called The Godfather Part III : The Sicilian, but Paramount didn't let the company use The Godfather in it's title so it became The Sicilian and Michael and Clemenza were written out.l Another movie that got panned when it first came out was Once Upon A Time In America starring Robert DeNiro and James Woods. It was a nearly 4 hour film about two best friends who grow up to be gangsters during prohibition. They I was lucky enough to have seen it in a movie theater in it's full 3 hour 41 minute cut before Warner Brothers had an editor cut It down to 2 hours. It was done behind director Sergio Leone's back, which broke his heart. Critics panned that version but the movie got a second life on video and cable when the full cut was released. Once Upon A Time In America was released in theaters in 1984, the same year as my other favorite movie from the 80s, The Pope Of Greenwich Village starring Mickey Rourke and Eric Roberts.
The Film is actually currently getting a second chance, and many consider it a classic now, especially the cinematography, fucking dizzy during the roller skating playing violin scene
I think part of the problem with Heaven's Gate is that the director just kept shooting film and production just kept going for what seemed like forever. He ended up with 220 hours of footage, which he edited down to 5.5 hours. The studio thought this was nuts and refused to release a film that long, and eventually got it down to 3.5 hours.
Sure, everyone loves "Tombstone" until they realize Billy Bob Thornton's in it--for two whole scenes--and then they start wondering who else was wasted in it.
This was a rollercoaster. Thought he was going to hate on Tombstone and he didn’t then thought he was going to roast Heavens Gate and he didn’t and then Waterworld which he didn’t. Love all those movies and glad Bill has good taste
This is a great movie...period! My friend in college made me watch it because it was one of his favorites. I wasn't a big fan of Westerns at the time, but Tombstone was great. I still tell people, "I'll be your Huckleberry."
The worst movie of all time is an independent Canadian "film" called "Things". Ostensibly it's about an experimental fertility treatment gone aray but it mostly just depicts a few drunk shit heads bumbling about a dirty house and occasionally seeing a couple Halloween decorations pop up for what feels like a run time of seven years.
I am making a video about this video, “most misleading title ever made”. Heaven’s Gate was a career killer but I have watched it several times. It was sprawling and probably needed an editor. But there is much to like. Amazing cast and the story is an important one for an accurate depiction of our history. Definitely worth watching and for me, regular rewatching
Heaven's Gate had a lot of bad reviews because people were upset about abuse of animals on the set. There were several horses killed or injured from pyrotechnics. So, critics lashed out the only way they knew how.
Great book about making Heaven's Gate, the book is Final Cut. Written by an executive at United Artists, how, basically, the movie took down the movie studio.
I'd agree. People may be comparing the quality to the amount of money spent, and they think if a lot was spent on a movie, then it should automatically be incredible. the special effects don't help the story or get people to feel more invested in the film, Id say that's more from the writing and so called character development. hah, all the movies mentioned are not that bad. So I feel it's all scalable based on the money invested. There are plenty of B and C grade movies that make me wonder why anyone would even waste their time acting in them knowing the film will never go anywhere. this may be obvious but I thought id point it out
I liked Waterworld as well. Critics trashed it and lauded Dances With Wolves, which took me several attempts to even finish. It's all in what you yourself like in a film.
My older cousin watched this movie when he was like in middle school and I swear he was acting like Doc and saying something was wrong with him. He was wearing a hoody in the summer saying he was cold lol.
I’ve never seen Heaven’s Gate, (didn’t care for the Deer Hunter enough to go for it), but I do know that one of the many reasons its reputation is so bad is because they actually killed a bunch of horses during the big fight scene near the end.
People say underrated when just about anyone born in the 70s or later will tell you it's their favorite western of all time. Sometimes it's the only one they've seen. Folks throw that term underrated around too much. This movie definitely gets it's respect. It's not my favorite but I love it just not my favorite and have watched and will watch it many times again most likely.
I get bummed sometimes cause I want to write a comment in response to Bill when I’m watching these clips sometimes, but then I realize these are select cuts that Izzy curates for us…Bill’s not here…
I've never heard anybody claim Heaven's Gate is the worst movie ever made. It IS one of the biggest financial diasters ever, 'cuz it went overbudget like crazy (because Cimino did dumb wasteful things like rebuild whole towns to make the streets five feet wider, then film 'em through smoke and dust anyway) and drove the studio out of business, but it's not considered one of the worst ever, just as a movie. It's not very good -- it's a slow, confused bore with a lot of bad choices made -- but it's not completely incompetent or anything. Waterworld was also a bomb due to the money spent on it, but it's an okay dumb action flick, it's not all bad.
I think the Heaven's Gate fiasco is why Brad Dourif went from Oscar contender to b-movie stalwart. A lot of careers never recovered from Heaven's Gate. Walken lucked out...he'd just won an Oscar, and probably had an easier time walking it off. #Walkenitoff
Waterworld is not entirely unwatchable. It has some plot holes, but it flopped because the entire set got flooded out due to a tropical storm and had to be rebuilt, driving costs sky high. Essentially, it would have been impossible to recoup an investment on that movie, so it was a flop right out of the can. Heaven's Gate suffered the same way - bloating from its initial $7.5mil budget up to an insane and (at the time) unheard of $44mil. Being 219 minutes, no one went to see it upon release, and the studio didn't promote it (the execs actually saw a 325 minute cut that Cimino said he could only lose about 15 minutes of). Like Waterworld, it was a flop due to finances, not due to content.
In all fairness, virtually every movie mentioned as being worse than Heaven's Gate was made after Heaven's Gate. The people who panned Heaven's Gate couldn't have had any idea how bad Hollywood movies were going to get.
Tombstone was great, with its stellar cast and Latin-speaking cowboys, but ya know what it was missing? Roller-skating. Only Michael Cimino had the guts to show us how the West was really won... with roller-skates.