Is this not highly dependent on what is in the bag? I would assume if there were too many hard items like binos, ammo, etc, it wouldn't make a very good base.
Thanks Sir for this video. I shoot precision rifles and used both, quality bipods and quality sand bags. My accuracy was always better with bags than bipods. For example, my Tikka Tac A1 6.5CM (w/ custom Krieger varmint barrel) shoots in average 0.57 MOA with bipod and 0.38 MOA with bags 5-shot groups, respectively. You said it exactly what I noticed. Bags are more consistent. With bags 5-shots will make a nice large hole, while with bipod 3-4 shots will be one hole, but 1 or 2 shots will be slightly off, just enough to put accuracy over 0.5 MOA (my objective is to shoot under 1/2 MOA groups). I tried multiple high-end bipods and they all produced the same results (Amazon probably hates me for making many returns). In fact, a cheap $40 bipod did the same job in term of accuracy as $300 Atlas bipod. I sold all my bipods (just keeping one in case I need it for special occasions) and now I only shoot using rear/front sand bags.
What do you actually keep in the bag? I think that might be something good to go over since you say you prefer it over a bipod. I just bought your book I haven't gotten it yet but I don't think it would go over something like that.
Problem I see is, depending on what snacks your packing that day, water bottles, pmags, excetera, it'll change the consistency of your bag rest I think.. Lol..
What do you pack in your bag ? It would be very interesting to know, maybe an idea for a future video. My own range bag doesn't have enough stuff in it to be used that way...
From his book: "Here is a list of things, at a minimum, that I keep in my bag: Water Food Ammunition DOPE book Sand Sock Calculator Range finder Tools Mil-dot Master Binoculars Flashlight Rain Jacket Jacket for warmth"
Mr. Cleckner is turning me into a shooter and he doesnt even know me. 99% of what works comes from him. In fact, I have to unlearn crap ive picked up elsewhere, lol
what if you put a bi pod on your bag and also one on your gun?
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I solved the bipod problem with a special pad I made that grip on the surface I put the bipod and so I have always the bipod on the same kind of surface (foam inside and small glass balls 1 mm in between). I only have the bag for my rifle, so not really good to use as surface for my rifle ;) I use also an Atlas 5-H. Good advice too, for the bag
My question and issue with bag shooting is the same "how much stuff is in your pack / what type of pack are you using?" I personally don't bring a lot out with me when I shoot. Some tools and lubricants just in case I need to do some light work, cooler and snacks, then ammo with eye and ear protection. My pack would never sit up high enough for me to shoot comfortably. Although I do agree, bipod's will react different to each environment and it's still prone to move a tiny bit from the recoil.
From his book: "Here is a list of things, at a minimum, that I keep in my bag: Water Food Ammunition DOPE book Sand Sock Calculator Range finder Tools Mil-dot Master Binoculars Flashlight Rain Jacket Jacket for warmth"
Hows about just setting your bag next to the bipod? That way everything is still in reach and getting stuff outa your bag doesn't upset your POA so much.
My problems with shooting off a bag are that I don't have enough stuff in it and also the rifle slides around the webbing. Sure it has the advantages that you say, but it doesn't do much good if after every shot I need to reset the rifle's natural point of aim.
@@ding3126 i usually only carry a poncho for plow point shelter, never was much for gortex jacket and bottoms. I guess im just trying to avoid extra gear that only serves as pack filler. Might be worth a try though just for seeing if i like the position.
Either way, you almost have to have a bipod to do that kind of shooting. You can always count on the bipod being on the rifle, but can’t always count on having a bag to shoot off of. I prefer a bag too for what it’s worth.😐
I've looked everywhere. Can't find the bag. It's some type of tactical pack with clips that he uses to attach to his shooting mat. He also has a Sig Sauer Kilo 2400 ABS Rangefinder pack attached to it. However, there's a good alternative on amazon. www.amazon.com/Military-Tactical-Backpack-Backpacks-Rucksack/dp/B01KJP36QU
I never did get a finish my comment the other day so here it is. The reason that I like bags is that I can position them exactly where I want them for the balance of the rifle and harmonics. With a bipod you are stuck at 1 position which is usually towards the end of the stock... Which no matter how miniscule it is does interfere with a harmonics of the barrel. and when you are shooting at longer ranges a miniscule amount of interference is enough to throw your shot. I like to keep my bags as far back as possible usually right up against the trigger guard. My rear bag is a very small one.... Just enough to keep the rifle butted up to my shoulder. I use my left hand to squeeze the bag to give me the proper height that I need. always laying in the figure 4 prone position. Laying in that position allows me to breathe freely without my reticle traveling too far up and down. Too many times I see guys that shoot laying prone... And they have their legs straight out behind them. doing that keeps your chest cavity and full contact with ground...so every time you breathe you're going to have movement with the rifle. By bringing your right leg up and out to the side to make a figure 4 in reverse...you are actually bringing your torso up off the ground at an angle... Which allows you to breathe normally with minimal movement in your reticle. And you will find that you have much more control.
I went to my local shop to buy a gun block but they were all out so I used my 5.11 Rush MOAB 10 and it worked great. I always bring it to the range anyways so win win.
I hope to see some tips for us bipod shooters, although I will be given this a try wen the opportunity comes up it's always good to be proficient with any leg up given... 🥃cheers🍻
As someone who grew up shooting spring powered air rifles in the UK, you have to shoot off a bag with these to get any sort of consistent results as they're so hold sensitive. Now shooting fire arms I've found the same albeit the effects are smaller, it's still there and the "bipod bounce" is a real thing.
