2002 Gujrat riot were RIOTS, meaning clash between 2 communities, by calling it a genocide (or) putting it in that bracket is being intellectually dishonest of the highest order, spreading fake narrative without making an attempt to learn facts. The instigation was from Ganchi muslims by burning the train, where karsevaks were burnt alive, what happened was a retaliation If u want to call genocide, Check "noakhali massacre" , "mopalah massacre" , "kashmiri hindus genocide" Make an attempt to be honest Besides "otherization" is inherent in Islam
You proven yourself by writing long paragraph. It’s a well established fact now that the train event wasn’t done by any Muslim or community. That was a fake news and to instigate hate. Please check your facts 😊
1).u r feeling for Gaza, we Indians are feeling bad for Pakistan sponsored termism from 1947 to till now, 2). why Hamas started the war why u r not talking on that 3), what about hostage? 4). if Modi wins again it is RSS propaganda but is is people who voted them. 5)why all Islam nations doesn't have human and women rights & no democracy and u r talking about BJP in India 6).first clean your Pakistan then advice to others. 7).why Palestine people not getting any support from rich Islam nations.
You're a grown man acting like a child. Get help, if you try justifying the killing of tens of thousands of men, women, and children is justified. If you had children, which in sure you do because you're a grown man, you know the pain of losing your child. Imagine defending the oppressors rather than the oppressed. Shame on you.
@@shaffilosblanc That's true it doesn't matter, but your leaders blame our leaders for their incompetence. We don't blame your leaders here for our incompetence. We blame you only when there's cross border terrorism.
You didn't feel much about the Pak sponsored terrorism until Bharat regime name it as such in the international platforms. Kashmir was a Hindu colonial project which was boosted by propaganda.
Pakistani Education System best illustrated by the top Pakistani Journalist , Anchor and Broadcaster Hamid Mir for him Urban Naxal is Arab Nasal. God Bless
You can't call genocide by technical definition in Palestine because even 1971 Bangladesh casualties were not called genocide. For genocide by definition, you need to have a certain percentage of the population. In Palestine, certainly what is happening is extremely unfortunate, but you can't call simply as Genocide like Jews Genocide in Germany. Because you need to have a certain population percentage. When Saudi allied forces' operations caused half a million casualties, it was still not called genocide despite no of casualties being 30 times more than Palestine. I know your emotional support for Palestine is quite visible, but don't use wrong terminology for casualties. By using wrong terminology, you are mixing it with actual real genocides like Armenian genocide or Jewish Genocide.
It's funny that I am saying it like this but when you compare the otherization of minorities by majority, you seem to forget that the majority in India are entirely different from the majority in Pakistan in societal values. We are continuously fighting our battles for equality within our communities and for other communities that are oppressed within themselves and we as a citizen of a democratic nation are encouraged to do so. From where I am looking at things I guess some religious communities are just built differently. The majority community in India is indeed. We have had a long battle of rectifying ourselves of our sins, we continue to do so each day simultaneously coexisting with 40 crore other communities that we know as our minorities and only a handful seem to have a problem in doing the same. There is this inherent exclusive mindset in some communities that makes it hard for them to coexist peacefully. In this case the otherization was done long-long back and it can't be undone now. As far as India is concerned, you'll need to read more than Romilla Thapar and NYTimes
India is not safe for minorities as a muslims loyalty is always questioned in India, and to some extent sikhs too, Pakistan's attitude towards minorities has now been adopted by the Indian Govt since 2014
That’s right, otherization was never an issue for zororastrian, jews, jains etc with Hindus.. Aur inko har religion se problem hai. Thanks for your concern Paxtanis, we will be alright..
Yes...this orherization is very much deep ingrained....kafirization.....problem is in the roots of a misconceptualized identity that we all are Arabs ....but in real converted Hindus...only remedy is come back to your roots..Ghar wapsi
@@hawkingdawking4572 hindu tyranny meanwhile founder of pakistan left his only daughtder and his entire famiily in india. even today jinnah entire descendants are indian. so called hindu tyranny lmaooo if hindus were tyrannical muslims would be 1% of india, like how hindus went from 25% of pakistan to < 1% in 2020
Post-partition governance in Pakistan was a continuation of the British East India Company's viceroy-like dictatorial mindset. The voice of the common man was always subjugated and central authority was perpetrated with seeds of democracy and decentralization never allowed to germinate. An oligarchical setup has always prevailed which has totally strangulated encouragement of new ideas and original thought resulting in depleted and stunted growth of the nation. The sooner rulers realize their mistakes and promote emergence of new ideas and original thought, progress and prosperity of Pakistan will always suffer. Pakistan Army needs to return to their barracks and take the back-seat for Pakistan to progress and prosper. It is as simple as that...
No, u r wrong! The British did create certain problems but that r in minority(countable) some of them may loud. Even if u remove British from history, Pakistan would still remain as it is, even worse. Pakistan is the true inheritor of islamic rule of hindustan, every prblm arises from and runs exactly parallel to the problem of Delhi sultanat and mughal rule. Ex - the elite of Pakistan behaves and have mindset of that time. The power is divided between military, mullah and elite and vary in power in each time period. The superiority always existed in muslims and saw hindus as inferior at all time period, read every autobiography of any ruler. If there r 10 prblm in Pakistan then, 0.5 exist due to British.
@@Shva927 you're just using very anecdotal evidence and just want to say that Muslims are worse than Hindus. Muslims never saw Hindus as inferior. anyone who did, is not a Muslim. You're showing a Hindu bias here, and acting like the Hindus haven't carried out heavy oppression and persecution on the Muslims of Bengal, Punjab, etc during the rule of the british. Take your rose tinted goggles off. Grow up and actually think about your biases.
Don't compare violence of partition ,formation of Bangladesh with Gujrat roits. Same condition existed on both sides of borders, in Pakistan, Minority disappeared but in India Muslims doubled their population . Muslims of India donot wish to migrate to Pakistan. Millions of Bangladeshi illegally entered India.There is strict border fencing and guarding along Pakistan. Otherwise even Pakistanies would have illegally entered in India. So confine your discussion to your Great Pakistan, leave alone India to its own path
The thing that is missing from narrative about what the Indian PM said is that he was quoting Dr Singh and linking it to what Mr R Gandhi has been saying and hidden within its manifesto. The fight of Hindus in India is to be treated equally as the Christian and Muslim brethren. Congress gifted away acres of prime land in Delhi to Wakf board right before 2014 elections to get those minority votes. They also brought in a law that would prescute majority irrespective of perpetuators in case of riots. We also have draconian laws in Wakf which allow the minority to stake claims to any land they want and that decision can’t be challenged in courts! They recently claimed to a 1000 year old temple as Wakf owned property. They have at it now in Karnataka and Telangana where they have government. Indias problem were never the Muslims. It was the illegitimate children of British in Congress who always divided Indians.
@@siddharthrana9617 I am not aware of a such a case. 1000 year old temples are under central administration via archaeological survey of India. Fake victimhood propaganda of Hindus turned out to be lies anyway. Hindus are furious that Muslim Waqaf land is huge and they can't steal it by force. They are also angry about Christian lands in high price downtown areas in all the major cities. Various Hindu rallies are organised to grab them by stone pelting and subsequent 'court seizures'.
Brother please speak about the some Pakistani youtubers who are speaking day and night praising about false agenda of Narendra Modi in India and degrading Pakistani and bjp party cut those clips and misleading Indian voters..
Pakistan ko India se compare karna bewkoofi hai coz Pakistan ke law Islamic Scriptures ke hissab se chalta hai. Hinduism mein atheist hona koi wajib ul katal nahi hai but Islam ke hissab se ye hai. Hinduism ka koi comparison nahi ban sakta Islam se. Main ek atheist hun. Mujhe koi neecha nahi dekhta India mein. Pakistan mein toh koi apne aap ko atheist bol bhi nahi sakta
Hinduism is not even an actual religion. Majority of its adherents were forcefully made as Hindus for electoral majority. It doesn't have any clear code or social rules as it's a semi-traditional folk religion.
you slayed through it, Shehzad! I spotted you on the same energy as I have been on since 2023. I couldn't hold myself together having known and seen unveiled power structure of Pakistan.
33:52 and also buddy your all points are from a islamic lenses.. you are able to see and sympathies with the otherisation of Muslim be in India or west.. but can't see the otherisation of non Muslim in Islamic constitution.. be it Maldives who have clauses of Muslim in citizenship or multiple countries where minorities are in micro number.. then where are your minorities and what kind of phobia is that.. kafiron phobia. As i said I can't stand hypocrisy
Always comes back to India any discussion. Why?? Makes the podcast discussion frivolous eventually and unnecessary. Why not stick to your own country’s issues? An unending query for such podcasts in both countries.
Hamid Mir & Geo news Effect 😂😂 Please read what PM Modi means by that, What he said, are the words of Congress Government Former PM Manmohan Singh. This is NOT hate, but a REALITY OF "MUSLIM APPEASEMENT" In India by INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY. Do some research before Spreading HATE Against India. Another day, the same guy, appeals for INDIA - PAKISTAN TRADE & Good relations HYPOCRISY KI BHI SEEMA HOTI HAI 😂😂😂
India never had stability which we have right now in last 1000 years.. we were attacked by many western powers.. it is British policies helped us. We welcome them open heartedly when they came .. it was muslims who fought hard with them bcoz they were rulers.. we started learning English, took jobs of muslims in Bombay,Chennai, calcutta and slowly became trusted allied.. we educated in english education and then started political movement... It is one hell of thing intelligent Hindus did.. muslims never surrendered so in the end they were thrown out with stone aged mentality.. Hindus did reforms in religion, opened universities, secularised our population..
Seriously ?? Again ? Cases of Love Jihad --> perpetrators "peaceful commujity" Cases of stone pelting --> perpetrators "peaceful community" Acts of terror, bomb blasts --> ranging from cooker bombs, rameshwaram cafe blast, coimbatore bomb blast, list goes on and on --> perpetrators "peaceful community" Blocking of roads, damaging public property, in name of friday prayers --> perpetrators "peaceful community" Gathering and celebrating gangsters by attending his funeral in thousands --> peaceful communtiy Showing solidarity to child beheaders and enmass attendance for his funeral --> peaceful community The list goes on...after all the acts, if questioned and asked to be accountable --> playing victim card "peaceful community" I have to ask -- are you this disengenous in realty (or) truly submerged in ur echo chamber but calling out others with twisted moral compass ? Or is it just the case of being a Pakistani and hence proved ? Which is it ??
You should invite Bilal Orfali, hes a scholar of sufism. And specially given the importance of sufism in history of Sindh, it will be great to see you to discuss it with him.
If you are showing modi's speech then you should also show his policies which he has adopted related to Indian Muslims such no. of scholarships provided by Modi govt, housing scheme, toilet scheme etc. then only you can understand his politics. Got it
Its around 80 years since independence. That means around 4 whole generations. My question to u shehzad -till when will you blame the British? I mean what should the ideal blame time period be
It is the continuation of the system that is being blamed, is video mai kahan British ko blame Kia? Muslim League aur Pakistan ki bureaucracy ka zikar hay, ab Pakistan ek post colonial society hay ye toh fact hay
I always say it Shehzaad is one of the sanest voices today in the subcontinent. I might not agree with him on everything but that is just being human. I cannot debate his rational analysis and he always comes as genuine. As usual, Shehzaad I am your regular follower. And I do wish that you also discover India and help explain it in your podcasts and monologues as you do to Pakistan. I would love to know what you discover and learn. Namaskar.🙏🏽
@@siddhugoldi You never had any book until the foreigners gave you how to make them. Even then handful of people could actually read and write vast majority were forbidden to read and write anyway. Even your current state sponsored god was made popular by the pen and paper of the 16th century Mughal rule. Yes, I am talking about Rama charitha Manas.
Lol toh ramayan aur vedanfa tere abbu nhi likha tha @@hawkingdawking4572 aur surgery ki discovery bhi tera chughals nhi kiya hoga nalanda university mai voh sand pe likhte hai honge lagta hai kaha se late ho yeh madarssa gyan
Ohh yes you are right! Only 1 community has been treated like royalty until now and finally the tables are turning. Don’t worry about India, we are doing just fine!!!
BJP is ruling in India for last 10 years now how many rights happened in ind and and what rong BJP has done to any Muslims from 2014 are secularism in India is in danger. As they say all leftist and Congress in Germany after 9 years of rule Hitler started the war and holocaust of yahudi s if you want to give any opinion about India you must come to India one's and see Avery thing I know when it comes to BJP everyone is preconceived in their thoughts everyone no matter who they are so piz vist ind one's before you make any opinion about ind ❤❤❤ no hard feelings peace ✌🏻🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️❤out
You dont have any right to comment anything about India or Modiji. You dont stay in India. You dont know which kind of problems Indians are facing or in which context Modiji speak. Pls stop using India for your views
Karachi will be peaceful again once it becomes Sindhi Majority like it used to be before 1947. The Paanwalas have gifted this Ganga Jamuni tehzeeb of riots & crimes , native to their ancestral land UP & Bihar, to this beautiful Sindhi city !!!
Listen Man! you''ve the governemnt it means you're in Majority. Then why you're consistently failing? Because you don't know how to run. The migrants taught you how to be respectful and civilized. You were illiterate! they taught how to run the bureacracy. And now, still you're trying to conqure the city for your own filthy business. Applogise for the offensive language but it is what it is.
Samo Jee go ask Nazim Jokhio's grave about the wonderfully peaceful and humane culture of Sindh. Go inquire from the babies infected with Aids in Ratto Dero about how honest Sindh is. Go inquire from the pet Daku s of the Feudals just how Lawful and Orderly they keep the countryside and the peasants. Ask the Villagers whose lands the Waderas deliberately flooded by breaking the levies in monsoon, just how generous Sindh's leaders are. Go ask the Thari's how it felt, to see Sindhi leaders feast at the edge of their desert as the Tharparkaris died of famine, ask them to show you the famed Sindhi generosity Your boasts of Sindhi peaceful culture are just words. You are at best no better then your "Paanwallah" neighbours, at worst you are hypocrites and villains of the lowest rank. All that shall happen to Karachi if it is Sindhi majority, is more suffering of Sindhis, by Sindhis.
29:11 one thing that Pakistanis do not get that, ‘Hindu’ has got nothing to do with religion. It’s a cultural term. You could be practising Muslim but still be Hindu. We draw our identify from our land, a concept that is totally alien for you.
Shehzad brother loads of love from Kolkata, India ❤ Bhai ek request thi ..... Why don't you come live and take Questions and have conversations and debates also .... My intent is for people to talk and converse and have contact like it happens in Black hole of Dr Hoodbhoy . I would be glad if you could start something like this be it on zoom or other streaming platform. Keep up the good work . Always an admirer.
abay tumhe nahi samajh aati indian politics toh na bola karo. tumhe poora background bhi hai? tumhe maloom hai congress ka manifesto aur unki history? kya tumhe maloom bhi hai we have more than 2cr rohingya illegal immigrants in our society which are breeding like rabbits while we have controlled our birth rates. humaare constitution mei ek bhi exclusionary provision nahi hai aur na hi current govt ki koi exclusionary policy hai. Jab nahi maloom hota Indian politics ke nuance toh beech mei mat kooda karo. If you want me to you can arrange a vc probably and tell you the nuance of that statement but dont go on spreading false narratives just because you have lack of knowledge on the subject.
It's not India syndrome... it's a calling of roots, culture, tradition... Why still Indian also feel connected with Pakistan? .... Because ones you were our people...once we live together 💓..we have celebrated festivals together.... Politics had used religion for the purpose of divide & idea of Pakistan is based on the idea of hatred... I always have empathy for the victims of partition but also have a agger for sapratist.... Indian politics & Pakistani politics are not same. Bjp have never said Muslim are not part of India. Even in lots of places BJP won election because of Muslim community support... But we never appreciate sepretist ideology of religious extremism.
2002 Gujrati roits was outcome of attacks on car sewak. India never told only hindu will live here. That is why muslim thrievr in India and no hindu in Pakistan.
bhaiya jo Modi ne kaha wo kya galat hai? Forget hindu muslim - what kind of theory can be considered as great which advocates that take/snatch from one section and give it to other section. Except communism
28:44 Shahzad bhai, mai India se hu. Aapne jo Indian politicians k videos clips dikhaye...wo sab siyasat/politics hai yaar. Humko bilkul majja nahi aata Pakistan k problems sun kar. Muze to lagta hai general public, India k ho ya Pakistan k...hum sab same hai aur similar problems face karte hai.
@ThePakistanExperience that's not the case,. They are picking up your videos as "Anti-Islam" lol, like Pakistan = Islam,😂😂. Jblkh Pakistan ka Islam sa kuj v Lena Dena nhi, and you know it very well,.
What you said on 29.00 minute will never happen in India . As Indian we are secular from within and our Religion does not restrict us from doing anything we want so we are secular. Pakistan always lag behind because mindset is still 14th century Stone-age period and everything has to revolve around religion People in India also religious but we don’t force our religion in others throat it is personal matter. India will always prosper coz we are free society with great constitution that gives equal rights to all citizens.
Hii can you also talk about romana and sinti people in Europe. People of India and Pakistan should know about them. Our people are still getting persecuted in the Europe. They are denied of recognition and citizenship. They were also the victims of nazism of Germany. But somehow we people of the subcontinent doesn’t even know about their struggles.
Quite informative your podcasts are. In India people are moving towards utube channels as TV channels are 90 percent one sided. It seems same is situation in Pakistan.
Shehzad Ghias hi you refer gujrat genocide but why you r not talking about kashmiri pandit genocide also mass conversion in sindh mulla mithu mia hindu girl kidneepd force fully converte to muslim
Pakistan’s slide is reflected in fortunes of Karachi. At freedom the city was vibrant, prosperous and progressive. So much that Singapore was modeled after it. You could argue the Dec line started with flight of Hindus due to Hindu being first “Others “. Pakistan in order to reinvent needs to let go down the current religio-military construct. Question is about willingness.
Bro Bro wait wait hol up at 33:00 the ahamdis rather the real word Qadiyanis were on the forefront for the making of Pakistan? Weren't the against the partition and in favour of the subcontinent continue being the colony of British? It is clearly stated in the literature of ghulam ahmad qadiyani. You did a blunder here.
@@ThePakistanExperience well read abot zafarullah khan on wikipedia and I have come to 2 conclusions which is that like other muslims of india like abu alkalam azad who opposed partition and there were those who were in its favour. Second thing which I cannot understand is the he remained a part of the councils of ahmadiya and the founder clearly favoured the british rule. So why was he in favour of Pakistan?
Shahzad, the problem with pakistani is that for them their is only one faith and that is Islam. Rest other faiths are just there lying somewhere inconpiscuisly in some corner. There is basic difference between hindu majotarianism and islamic majotarianism. In Islam faith is supreme, human is not but in Hinduism human is supreme but faith is incidental. So dont worry about hindu majoratirium in India will turn it into Pakistan. Because simply it will not. We have a functional Constitution and dont forget this Constitution is devised by majority population of india.
Hindus even in their far right outlook would be more liberal than Muslims in their far liberal outlook…. And that’s the basic difference between India and Pakistan…. So stop comparing…
The party which has benefited the most from this ethnic divide is PPP. However, shehzad completely omitted their name out from this video. Just highlights his preconceived biases.
everyone want israel to stop bombing innocent in gaza, but no one talks that why hamas is not returning the hostages.israel has long back given this offer to hamas but like all other islamic terrorist organisation,hamas use children and women as cannon fodder.by the way this tactics was also used by terrorists in jammu/kashmir.
The amount of andhbhakt trolls in the comments section goes on to show that you are hitting the right nerve. I have always wondered, inheritors of a 5000 years old civilization, adherents of the best religion, citizens of the best country, voters of the best PM, why do they feel so outraged by a lowly podcaster of a failed country?
Hey, I love the pakistani experience podcast and more or less all your views are balanced. However, I think as an Indian you buy into hindutva fringe too much. Religion is problem for all humanity, but the danger it has in pakistan cannot and shouldn't be equated with what we have in India. Yes, religious nationalism is bad for India, but it will be curbed and is curbed, it has a very less appeal. The real fight India has is caste politics and maybe socialism and capitalism in future.
Shehzad, almost all your viewers would be educated and if in Pakistan, are in the entitled class too afraid to overhaul the system that benefits them. The Congress before Gandhi wanted a seat at the table with British but became a mass independence movement only when Gandhi gave up the privileges he enjoyed from the system as a lawyer educated in England. Where will this movement rise from and who will be that leadership?
State vs Politics; How Elite Capture works in Pakistan - Two Pakistans - Shehzad Ghias #TPE ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MaI6nsqW_GI.html Exactly what todays episode is on
Pakisthan ne wahi kiya hai 1947 se le kar Aj tak., Hinduon Sikhon ka Jhabran Dharmantaran kiya , Lakhon ka Katl kiya, Un ki Jameenen Chheen li , Schoolon Collegon mein Hinduon Sikhon ko Jaleel kiya jata hai Roj marra ki Jindagi mein, Jab tak Pakisthan mein Democracy nahin ayegi aur Fouj ka Raj nahin khatm hoga tab tak Pakisthan barbad hota rahega
10:12 Kudos to your thoughts 💭 sir. A few years back after listening to many vlogs, I too had that thought. A thought process behind creating a separate state for Muslims was reason enough to axe state and provide them with exclusive opportunities to grow, or how they put it that time that Muslims cannot stay with Hindus (or under them) and won on that concept. Actually what educated elite of UP and CP wanted to state was Muslims cannot live beside any other community. That always kept me guessing as to how are Muslims of Pakistan (seekers of a separate state) are able to live in the west. Apologies if I sound condescending but that’s what Pakistanis give reasons for partition to everyone in North America or Europe. And some (westerners) question as to why then they are living and working besides non Pakistani and in a foreign land; there comes that awkward smile. But thanks for thinking and explaining. I hope sanity prevails in India as well given the political crisis going on Thanks 🙏
@0.02 question is .. who is interested in Pakistan in anyways 😂😂😂😂😂 . I am only interested to watch and listen to few people who are UNFORTUNATELY Pakistani 😂😂
Excellent Podcast 👍😊🙏 I'd like to answer your question posed to India and Indians. To have pride in one's culture and ideas is different from taking that pride to make it hegemonic and supremacist. I am a beef eating proud Hindu, and I and millions like me are the bulwark against erosion of secularism in this country. BJP gets less than 40% of the votes in our national elections. I also see around me thousands who understand that it's that Hindu culture which allows our diversity to flourish, and not the other way round where Hinduism fosters exclusivity. Many thousand also understand that it's that Hindu ethos which is in fact threatened by parties like the BJP. The difference I see between India and Pakistan is the fact that these millions do not exist in Pakistan who can stand up to communal/religious supremacist and exclusivist ideas. After all, the continuation of the secular ethos is dependent on these millions who are sold on the idea that diversity and multi culturalism are things to prize and celebrate. They will not let the suplimacist slide happen in India. But they don't exist in Pakistan. I feel the majority are sold on religion, and people like you and Hoodbhoy ji are a miniscule minority flailing at windmills.
Brother sorry to say this but you’re unable to think liberally. Either you’re not able to think or you’re making these videos with a particular agenda.
Shehzad, have you been reading Karl Marx or Lenin lately? Jokes aside, in today's world of books losing relevance, thanks for the indebt "book summary". Brilliant analysis and your personal views too. Just out of curiosity, how many 'likes' would this particular podcast generate in your home turf? I am sure from your Punjab, the land of my ancestors, it would be negligible. Funtastic, your effort and brilliance. Keep it up! All the best!!
That was just a passing reference. In our times both Karl Mark and Lenin were must read in the university. And the endless debates which would follow with tea and cigarettes. That was then. I am sure the current generation including you have a different view point now. That aside, your podcasts are very informative . And thank you for interspersing your Urdu with English that makes it easy for many of us who are not native Urdu speakers.@@ThePakistanExperience
