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Bishop Barron on His Theological Path 

Bishop Robert Barron
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The story of Pope John Paul II’s reverence for the great theologian Henri de Lubac tells us a lot about the state of Catholic theology today and where we are in terms of many arguments going on in the Church. It also sheds light on the theological path that I’ve tried to walk with my work.

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@FrMarkGoring
@FrMarkGoring 4 года назад
Thank you for this video. I’ve been listening to and reading Dr. Taylor Marshall. It’s nice to get your perspective Bishop Barron. I’ve been trying to figure out if La Nouvelle Théologie is good or bad. I love Pope JPII & Pope Benedict but I’m having trouble with some of the people Pope Francis is surrounding himself with. We need leaders in the Church today who can help us through the confusion and give us clarity.
@gibbs9434
@gibbs9434 4 года назад
As a French leaving the Church at teenage age in the 90's I would say it is rather bad since I think Nouvelle theologie had a lot of influence in France back then. What I witnessed was a huge drop in Church attendance. Catholicism was still very influential in the French society in the 50's. There was more than 1000 ordinations each years. Now it is 110. So many leave thé Church at teenage age it is very sad really !!! Im just talking about m'y experience. Some people are more knowledgeable than me. Btw thanks for your videos Father. God bless you.
@amycardill4897
@amycardill4897 4 года назад
Also trying to figure out if La Nouvelle Theologie is good or bad. Not sure, but if we judge things by their fruits....
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
The Video is titled *Bishop Barron on His Theological Path* There are several comments and several types of comments. Some of them are not even meant to be here. How do you rate yours?
@jpmclane2885
@jpmclane2885 4 года назад
So glad to see that you viewed this and are searching for the truth Fr Mark. Please give Bishop Barron and our previous two popes a chance. I think on further consideration you will find how influenced these holy men were by the communio school of thought and how sad it is that many of our young priests are not being given a chance to truly study their great works. We have to have faith that God has been and is still with the Church and continues to deepen our understanding of his revelation. God bless.
@jasonroter1447
@jasonroter1447 4 года назад
@BathtubGin1412 So was St. Pope John Paul II
@Anthony-vx6cs
@Anthony-vx6cs 4 года назад
*"Behind each priest there is a demon fighting for his fall. If we have the language to criticize them. We must have twice as much to pray for them." -Saint Terese of Avila* Your Excellency, I am so sorry... And I will pray for you and all leaders of the Church as all should. I appreciate your work. I admire your Faith and your life. I do at times feel forgotten though.... Please do not allow the bitterness of these comments to stain some of the beauty and truth that traditional Catholics wish to share. We criticize out of fear that we will lose what is true and beautiful. We clench, perhaps too tightly at times, that which is considered by many to be "outdated". Father, could you not express in some way that you are not against tradition, or the Latin Mass, or 100% reverent Liturgies, or the proper reception of Holy Communion and chanting of the Mass as taught by Vatican II... I will pray for you. Please pray for me, especially if these critisisms are out of line, Father... Pax domini sit semper vobiscum...
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
If it can be destroyed by Truth, it MUST be. the atheists who advocate for this tumoresque "new theology" are fans of that phrase. they do not know how God will use it against them.
@Anthony-vx6cs
@Anthony-vx6cs 4 года назад
@@JPX7NGD As a Catholic who firmly advocates for a return to reverence, and who firmly believes the Latin Mass is objectively superior to the Ordinary form, I think we need to focus more on sharing the beauty of tradition with fellow Catholics - especially those who enjoy Bishop Barron (I was and am one of them - I only began attending the Latin Mass within the last year!). Let the beauty, reverence, and sacredness of tradition overflow the hearts of all Catholics, and prepare them to evangelize authentically (that is - NOT over ecumenically). There is no room for modernism when everything is directed towards our Lord - and this is exactly what happens when we actually follow the rubrics laid out in Canon Law with regard to Liturgy. We arrive at the Latin Mass, or a Mass that is spoken in the vernacular, but essentially the same as the Latin Mass in aesthetics.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@Anthony-vx6cs We need Love and Absolute Truth and Natural Law. in adherence to tradition is minor; we need real Catholicism and those who will fight the devil, not serve the devil. if the liturgy was banal, and everything else was solid, who would care?
@Anthony-vx6cs
@Anthony-vx6cs 4 года назад
@@JPX7NGD Banal is not necessarily a bad thing if you mean that all Masses of a particular rite are offered according to the same rubrics (so there would be lots repetition and not much room for a Priest's personal "flair").. If however by "banal" you mean: irreverent, theologically unsound, and over-ecumenical to the point of literally removing the invocation of the saints during prayers, THEN it matters a great deal. As I said in another thread of comments: "I tend to place a greater emphasis on the importance of beauty and reverence as a ~teacher/evangelist~. *"Lex orandi, lex credenti"*: “the law of prayer [is] the law of belief” or "that the law of praying establishes the law of believing", This understanding highlighted the understanding that the Church’s teaching (lex credendi) is articulated and made manifest in the celebration of the liturgy and prayer (lex orandi). We understand this to mean that prayer and worship is the first articulation of the faith. " To separate the Liturgy from "everything else" is simply impossible. The Mass, which is made up of the Liturgy of the Word and Eucharist, is where "everything else" is brought to life.
@Anthony-vx6cs
@Anthony-vx6cs 4 года назад
@@alwaysbekindlove Read the story of Cain and Abel: not all worship is equally pleasing to God. If we can agree that the Catholic Mass is the greatest form of worship we can offer our Lord (better than say a Protestant worship service), which is Catholic teaching, then we should also be able to agree that, objectively speaking, Mass can be offered either poorly, that is, not in line with Church teaching; or it can be offered in line with Church teaching and be superior to a poorly offered Mass. I should note: I don't reject Vatican II, and I do believe the ordinary form of the Mass ~can~ be just as reverent as the extraordinary form, and I probably should have clarified that. But as Timothy Gordon says: "when you hear hooves, you think horse, not zebra." Translated: I've grown to expect that the extraordinary Mass is offered with more reverence and humility than the ordinary Mass, and thus while I don't deny that the ordinary form ~could~ be a zebra (ie. it could be one of 50 that is offered reverently and completely in line with the Church's guidelines), I've grown to expect a horse (because that ~is~ the normal). Maybe that can change without completely reverting to the TLM (though I would suggest everyone attend one at least once before fighting against it!), or maybe it can't. A good place to start is to research what the ordinary form is supposed to look like... And maybe add the prayers after Mass again (3 Hail Marys, St. Michael, Hail Holy Queen, etc...)
@Teamfra
@Teamfra 4 года назад
Thank you for this video and walk through more recent Church history ...the World Wide Web needs this and I appreciate your patient and clear explanation for those who may not see the bigger picture at play and attack you personally. God bless you! Communio 👏🏻!!
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
*Bishop Barron: "Religion and the Opening Up of the Mind" | Talks at Google* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-enDhX49F3XI.html
@MarieC82
@MarieC82 4 года назад
Bishop Barron you do great work. I’m sorry that you get attacked so often but I’m glad that you keep showing up for us and teaching us and leading us on the right path. I know it can’t be easy but you help me keep my faith strong. When I start to falter I come watch your videos.
@storyteller0111
@storyteller0111 4 года назад
Thank you for sharing this, bishop Barron! It sheds additional light both on your position and on the dynamics within the church.
@JoeyC0914
@JoeyC0914 4 года назад
Once again! May God Bless you Bishop Barron. Your so influential in lives of many. Keep fighting on!
@livingbeings
@livingbeings 4 года назад
so thankful for you and your work 🙏
@klausbuck7069
@klausbuck7069 4 года назад
Well spoken, Bishop Barron.
@niallhogan1565
@niallhogan1565 4 года назад
Bishop Barron I can’t tell you how much I need your words and explanation of things religious that you explain so well. Thank you !
@bigphilly7345
@bigphilly7345 4 года назад
God bless you, Bishop Barron. Please pray for me.
@iloveyellow7214
@iloveyellow7214 4 года назад
Padre Barron, I am teaching myself apologetics because of you thank you Also with yhe help of local priests here. Thank you so much for your videos and the enlightenment
@danwheeler5530
@danwheeler5530 4 года назад
I suppose I speak like someone without a mass platform, but I don't engage "culture", I engage people. I can do this with openness, tolerance and charity without altering, or even softening, my beliefs. I don't understand why ecumenism and "dialogue" with current culture is a theological matter. I sometimes hear non-Catholics bemoan how the Church could "attract" more people if they "updated" their teaching. They don't consider that perhaps the Church is only interested in teaching Truth. This is what theology is - the understanding of truth - not a method of repackaging doctrine to draw back people that have rejected it.
@filiusvivam4315
@filiusvivam4315 4 года назад
well stated Dan.
@jackdispennett744
@jackdispennett744 4 года назад
I think engaging "culture" doesn't mean capitulating to the culture. It just means finding touchstones or points of contact with culture that can be used to introduce the Gospel. For example, Paul engaged the culture when he quoted (pagan) philosophers who had apprehended a few correct truths about God, and when he referenced the shrine to the "unknown God" as a segue to teaching the pagans about the true God. Engaging the culture is a technique, not a destination. And some points of culture (e.g. abortion and the culture of death) are so evil that we can only stand athwart them and condemn them, but whatever aspects of the culture have a kernel of goodness in them can be used a starting point to lead others to Christ. That's how I see it. And a sense you have to engage culture to engage people, because people don't exist in a vaccuum, they are influenced by all kinds of cultural artifacts, many of which they are influenced by without even thinking about it. Some cultural things we will have to condemn (e.g. the culture of death) but others we can use as a bridge (e.g. when people follow the precepts of natural law). We have to be smart in how we approach people; not changing our doctrine to suit the culture, but rather presenting it differently (perhaps in a different sequence) depending on the culture you are dealing with. On the Areopagus Paul didn't start with an explicit condemnation of idol worship (even though in other instances, he clearly did); so I think it's a pragmatic judgment call.
@jackdispennett744
@jackdispennett744 4 года назад
@@ThePassiveObserver From what worldview are you critiquing Bishop Barron? Scientific materialism/atheism? Given that paradigm, Bishop Barron's brain is just firing nerve impulses and releasing neurotransmitters based solely on the chemical properties of his brain. Thus, your description, which I guess is designed to make Christians feel like idiots, falls short of the mark. He literally can't help what he thinks/believes, any more than you can, if everything is determined based on matter and energy alone.
@danwheeler5530
@danwheeler5530 4 года назад
@@ThePassiveObserver Yes, Roger. Some myths are true. Some magic is real.
@danwheeler5530
@danwheeler5530 4 года назад
@@ThePassiveObserver I do indeed applaud the magician, that is, God. I have looked up his sleeve, and I've been more astonished the further I looked. I think you might be one of those who stay at home and scoff, never bothering to even see the show.
@nicksibly526
@nicksibly526 4 года назад
God bless your mission Bishop Barron.
@tr1084
@tr1084 4 года назад
It's great to hear from you on this topic. Thanks.
@jamesblack8173
@jamesblack8173 4 года назад
This is very interesting Bishop, thank you. I like the emphasis on dialogue with the culture, rather than capitulation to it. There is something very traditionally Catholic about that.
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
*Bishop Barron: "Religion and the Opening Up of the Mind" | Talks at Google* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-enDhX49F3XI.html
@user-ep9px9sd6h
@user-ep9px9sd6h 3 года назад
I watched this video when it came out. I watched it again now. It still inspires me more. Thank you, bishop!
@jpmclane2885
@jpmclane2885 4 года назад
Thank you so much for this Bishop Barron. I really hope and pray that your detractors truly study our recent church history with an open heart before writing you and our last two popes off. Do we really believe God is and has been guiding re church? Thank you for speaking with clarity and charity.
@mehulmac23
@mehulmac23 3 года назад
So glad to hear ..so beautiful..so great.. God bless you Bishop Barron.
@jgil1966
@jgil1966 4 года назад
God bless you Fr. Barron!
@Nixul
@Nixul 4 года назад
Thank you Bishop Barron your work means a lot to me.
@jspanyer
@jspanyer 4 года назад
Outstanding thank you for the explanation. I've often been buffeted by both extremes and didn't know how to navigate the storm. Now with your beacon on this I have a direction to steer towards safe-passage. Thank you.
@divemor
@divemor 4 года назад
As always your videos make sense to me and make me proud to be a Catholic.
@nathanm6024
@nathanm6024 4 года назад
This is great, Bishop. Very timely. Thank you!!
@musguit
@musguit Год назад
Thanks Bishop for brilliantly share the intellectual giant of VC2
@awesomeisasawesomedoesyo182
@awesomeisasawesomedoesyo182 4 года назад
Excellent! Thank you Bishop Barron!
@ArturoCabello
@ArturoCabello 4 года назад
Always a fan Bishop Barron! 😄
@jobebrian
@jobebrian 4 года назад
An excellent précis of the connections between V2, NT, JPII and BXVI. It’s difficult to get recent history right, let alone current events in the church, and you are an invaluable guide, Fr. Barron. Thanks so much for all your good work!
@Kristiehornbuckle
@Kristiehornbuckle Год назад
Excellent video Bishop Barron. Not easy being catholic this day and age and I loved John Paul 2. Somehow we must bridge the world to be one. I think your right take the middle ground in hopes of bringing togetherness. Still hold true our catholic values but trying to be inclusive to all. Just my thoughts but I love all your videos keep spreading the word and love of Jesus' too,
@joekeffer3520
@joekeffer3520 2 года назад
Fascinating!!! Thank you for your Word On Fire videos. ✝️
@alexanderj2242
@alexanderj2242 4 года назад
Bishop, Word on Fire should do a video series on the great theologians of the 20th century! Christ’s peace. Thank you so much for your ministry, without it, I would not have become Catholic.
@decluesviews2740
@decluesviews2740 4 года назад
Alexander J That would be great! If they did, I’d apply to help prepare their content!
@MattBurrill
@MattBurrill 4 года назад
Episode 1: Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange Episode 2: (There is no Episode 2)
@momofnd7902
@momofnd7902 4 года назад
I love who you are Bishop Barron. Thank you for accepting your call. I swear I don’t want you to be so criticized. But there are times I just do not know who to believe. Such church problems but I believe in the Catholic teachings.
@KristynLorraine
@KristynLorraine 4 года назад
Bishop Barron, this is so helpful. It reminds me of not being able to agree with either the conservative or liberal positions politically here in the US. I am finding myself there as a Catholic as well, and I am beginning to see that the two extremes tried to "catch" me early on. Many have little use for those on the "communio" path (just as in politics). It might be that what makes this path narrow is that you are being squeezed between two sides. Peace, and thanks again.
@Blazecepion
@Blazecepion 4 года назад
Thank you for video!
@jeanneschaffer656
@jeanneschaffer656 4 года назад
Thank you for this ..... very clarifying, very helpful.
@fr.ThomasThereseOP
@fr.ThomasThereseOP 3 года назад
What a wonderful image to share! Thank you :)
@nyakanyasko
@nyakanyasko 4 года назад
Very interesting and helpful!
@tangotangoromeo
@tangotangoromeo 4 года назад
I think Bishop Barron should do a series on the church & the scientific world. A lot of people think they oppose one another.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
Oh gosh, I've done numerous videos and written many articles on the subject. I agree with you that a lot of people misconstrue this relationship.
@tonyalongi4409
@tonyalongi4409 4 года назад
Works for me, Your Excellency! I loved your WOFI course on Hans Urs von Balthasar, by the way. Stimulating in both a spiritual and intellectual manner. :)
@ethanf.237
@ethanf.237 4 года назад
Love the channel Bishop!! Keep em coming!! As a side note, I'd love to see you make a video on the Oxford Union debate about the existence of God. I really want to hear your perspective on it (:
@ajbeeskneesjr
@ajbeeskneesjr 4 года назад
I'm with you sir! No one is as attuned to the Holy Spirit as you are, sir. Keep going.
@olgamarinho
@olgamarinho 4 года назад
It is necessary to explain more, the video was too short.
@dynamic9016
@dynamic9016 Год назад
Thanks much for this video.
@syfkog5236
@syfkog5236 4 года назад
Magnifique! Bishop Barron displays his significant skills in the French language. We do need a better understanding each other in the Church and in society. Not everything is quickly reducible to simple labels like liberal and conservative. These are relativistic labels anyway. In the USA, I've seen liberals act like conservatives and conservatives act like liberals and no one seems to notice. We do need a larger middle ground and better understanding of unique, nuanced and specific points of view. We do need relief from the moral posturing of the too-quickly-outraged who too quickly presume and categorize and stop listening and understanding.
@jeannem3688
@jeannem3688 4 года назад
Thank you. I am about the same age as the Bishop and miss Saint John Paul II. He was always both kind and courageous. He was clear and Christ centered. I miss Mother Angelica, Mother Teresa and Fr. Groeschel - always clear on the teachings of the Church but also kind - reaching out to the poor, sick and lonely, helping to prevent abortion by reaching out to the mothers - excellent examples of loving the person while being clear on what is sin - clear because a sinful life is ultimately an unfulfilled, unhappy life. Even in times of great sorrow there is joy in my life because of my faith - something I wish for all. When the faith is watered down, we miss the opportunity to assist in leading others also to a joy filled life. Sadly, under the radar was the scandalous behavior of many clergy - and still not being adequately dealt with world wide though much improved in the US - the country Francis doesn't seem to have much regard for.
@jeannem3688
@jeannem3688 4 года назад
@Mr Guminsky Is it not the German Synod that Pope Francis has sent a letter to reminding them to stay within Church teaching? Has any such letter been sent to a group in the US? I have heard no US group seeking schism. Is there a Synod of US Bishops seeking to part ways with the church? Not that I am aware of.
@jeannem3688
@jeannem3688 4 года назад
@Mr Guminsky Catholics in the US enjoy lively debate and can be outspoken - perhaps part of our own US Culture - and I have listened to debate on many sides. I know of no group which wishes to form their own church (outside of those that broke away many years ago over Vat II). I know many that are confused and concerned about "What if." Bishop Barron has pointed out on other videos that Newman's development of doctrine does not allow for reversing doctrine. What I see here in the US is the question - What happens if the Church attempts to reverse doctrine? Some will say - that won't happen, God will protect the Church. Others - God allows free will - even for Church leaders. So, this is the concern - not wanting to start a new church - schism - but wondering what to do if the Church appears to head off in a direction of apostasy. The working document of the Amazon Synod has some serious problems which have been pointed out by intelligent Cardinals - many not from the US. I do fault Pope Francis somewhat for a lack of clarity and sometimes a lack of kindness and prejudice. As our Papa he should work to shepherd the faithful, understanding anxieties presented by some of his actions and the actions of those he has put in charge of various departments. For example, Catholics throughout the world are concerned about the changes at the John Paul II Institute for Marriage and Family. Why is the Amazon Synod full of members that are not part of the Amazon region? These are legitimate concerns - and we in the US debate our concerns. Many "Communio" Catholics that have been in Rome have said that Pope Francis gets told untrue versions of the concerns of US Catholics - told we are concerned about attacks on capitalism, but it is concerns about doctrine that is what I am hearing. I work from home and listen to a variety of RU-vids - perhaps not scientific polling data, but a pulse on the public view. Bishop Barron is my favorite:) As for money - the US and Germany are major sources of Vatican funding and sadly this desire for funding and money is a concern for many Catholics too. Where large amounts of money are concerned, there is the possibility of corruption and undue influence. As I said, US Catholics enjoy lively debate, but this is not the same as schism.
@lawmaker22
@lawmaker22 4 года назад
im goin to bed now, i will say a prayer for you bishop Barron, may God bless you and keep you safe
@ryanjanellesalvacion9592
@ryanjanellesalvacion9592 4 года назад
In my own opinion this is the best video of Bp. Barron. I find resonance to what he's saying because I'm also walking the same theological path, the path of communio, the path of the resourcement movement.
@floydfan82
@floydfan82 4 года назад
Please give us viewers an educational video on Cardinal Newman prior to his canonization. Thank you, and may God bless the Word on Fire Team.
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
I think he already has done one recently.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
I've done a number of videos on Newman. Take a look through the archive.
@CrankyGrandma
@CrankyGrandma 4 года назад
Father, Word on Fire is doing good work with good fruits. Don’t let the attacks distract you. Keep on doing what you are called to do.
@edwardtomkinson3418
@edwardtomkinson3418 4 года назад
What theology books would you recommend for someone who wants to look into this subject? Thank you!
@Youdamana
@Youdamana 4 года назад
Sure sounds like the right path to me Bishop Barron. I don't know how people can get by without Aquinas and final causation the brightest light on life and existence.
@faithbooks7906
@faithbooks7906 4 года назад
What writing of de Lubac should a beginner start with?
@AdelSalti
@AdelSalti 4 года назад
Cardinal Roger Etchegaray (25 September 1922 - 4 September 2019)
@paulconn5803
@paulconn5803 4 года назад
Is there a way to send a private message to Bishop Barron?
@NequeNon
@NequeNon 4 года назад
Thank you for highlighting the "nouvelle théologie". Unfortunately, many social media heads use the terms believing that "new" means modernism. It does NOT! One may even call for a rethinking (dare I say, "a reform") of the nouvelle théologie since our current historical context has changed considerably since VII, but it should not be demonized as so often it is. I think of Pope Benedict's discourse on the 50th anniversary of VII when he recalled St John XXIII's famous discourse of the moon. He said how we still have the joy of VII, but with a certain degree of sobriety and humility. Clearly he was referencing the clerical abuse crisis, but I believe he was also addressing the reality of what StJPII called "the great apostasy". I think Pope Benedict has this right on all fronts.
@wayneanddonita3857
@wayneanddonita3857 4 года назад
Hi Bishop Barron, regarding theology, I've got a buddy I've been trying to evangelize to, and I've sorta put together an "argument" (lots of handwaving, of course, but 1 I'm a layman, and 2 we're talking about the Mystery of Divinity) based on what I've gleaned from your explanations of St. Thomas Aquinas & Archbishop Fulton Sheen's explanations of the Holy Trinity, and I was curious if anything I was doing was either wrong, or some kind of blatant heresy that woulda gotten me lit up in the 16th century. Basically, the argument (and paraphrasing of his responses) is as shown below: 1 Definition: [Introduce the Aristotelian concept of God--basically, define it into existence as the "unmoved prime mover" that is the ground for why there is "something rather than nothing"] 2 Question: Yes, dear Wayneo, we can clearly posit such a Mover, but in what sense must it be "Personal" as the traditional Christian God? Why couldn't it be some kind of vague deistic god, or just some kind of blind logical/physical principle? 3 Answer: Regarding the "blind logical/physical principle", whatever this Mover is, He's given rise, through whatever way, to imperfect creatures like us that have personhood. So if He's the opposite of "imperfect"--ie, perfect, complete--then He should have Personhood in ways we probably can't even fathom. Same with mind. That is, if His mind is the "source of all Truth", then surely it's beyond our comprehension. So I believe there are good reasons to suspect that God is NOT blind or impersonal. As for why He "can't" be the god of deism, I suppose that, based on only what we've said so far, He could be...But there's a very troubling problem that goes along with that, and one for which Christianity has a very attractive answer... 4 Interruption: Yes, yes, with a deistic god, you'd have a world full of misery, and a "god" who probably couldn't care less...But just look around brother! 5 Re-retort: Yes, there's plenty of suffering...But as tragic as this is, this may even be a "good" thing in many ways...Our Lord "came down from Heaven" to take on flesh, and to be the God-man who suffered, even unto death, to elevate us up to Heaven...to give us a path, as it were, to pick up our cross & follow Him... Thoughtful Question 6: Yes, I know the basics of the Trinity concept, but HOW...how...HOW...could the "incomprehensible & perfect Prime Mover" ever become "incarnated" as some kind of God-man? His being an incomplete human already contradicts His being the "Almighty God the Son"... 6 Iffy Reply: I have no idea, Sir, this is one of the greatest mysteries of the faith. However, I can sorta sketch how it "makes sense"...First, God the Son is "eternal", and outside of time, yes? We imagine Him as the "Word of God"...basically, God the Father's "thought"...Notice how the Judeo-Christian God as been sorta "poetically" said to create by "speaking things into existence" (ie, God said, "Let there be light...and there was light")...So if God the Father is eternal, we can imagine his thoughts--or better yet, thought--as one complete, instantaneous "act of volition",that is, in every way, just as complete as Him--in many ways, a copy of Himself, and one that was "begotten within eternity"...Now, given the way that God creates, we see empirically, that it's a process...we had billions of years from the big bang & evolution to get to where we are now...Now, if such a slow "process" (and frankly, not surprising, for why else would an eternal being create something like time if he weren't interested in processes?), then why shouldn't His begotten thought or Son follow a similar pattern? Aye, God the Son, having been begotten in eternity, is eternal Himself. But if the Father spoke His incarnation into existence, and made Him, for just a while, a lowly human, complete with human sufferings, and even prepared a human Mother for Him, then it's clearly consistent with how He's been observed to "work" within our universe; furthermore, if God the Son likewise has one timeless, eternal, instantaneous thought, then there's no reason that, speaking very loosely, His human life as Jesus Christ couldn't have been His "first" memory (yes, we mean "first" in a sense more like "logically first"), so that God the Son and God-man Jesus Christ can be the exact same person...No Nestorianism necessary! 7 Question: And just what evidence is there for this "incarnation"? 8 Attempt at Elusive Answer: Other than church Tradition, probably none of the sort of "evidence" you seek. But, we can't deny that it follows a pattern consistent with the reality that we observe daily. Also, how do we come to know something as "Truth", anyway? It has a certain "oneness" to it (truth can't simultaneously be false, and it tends to unify those that understand it), it has a sort of "healing effect" on us ("the truth shall set us free", and gives us medicine, technology, etc), it's "universal" (truth is true, whether here or on Mars), and it can be "taught" from one mind to another...Note the similar pattern with Christ's body here on earth, the One, Holy, Catholic, and *Apostolic* Church...So perhaps Tradition isn't to be discounted! Granted, we could probably propose various religious systems all day long that follow known patterns even though there isn't any evidence for them. But, as a math and art history scholar, you must have heard the old quip, "Sometimes a theory is just too beautiful to be false". Nonetheless, I'm willing to concede that perhaps Almighty God the Holy Spirit can address these questions more clearly than I can. Perhaps if you seek, you will find.
@johnaugustinejoseph4206
@johnaugustinejoseph4206 4 года назад
Does communion path mean rejecting the old mass, because ratzinger openly celebrated the old mass and ordained priests in the old mass as well as reviving the old mass in the summorum pontificum 2007
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
No.
@MarieC82
@MarieC82 4 года назад
I think we can enjoy both
@zayan6284
@zayan6284 4 года назад
The new mass is awful, and the changed are far more then what was envisioned by the men responsible for Vatican II. Oppose the new liturgy, and oppose the modernism entering the church.
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
@@zayan6284 Did you test it or taste it? What you can do is promptly stay away. Save your time and energies for anything whatsoever that maybe more positive than visiting RU-vid channels and say HOW BAD is the new Mass and so many people.
@decluesviews2740
@decluesviews2740 4 года назад
No, the Communio school does not reject the Extraordinary Form. As you point out, Pope Benedict XVI--well before he was Pope even--supported its continued use. He decried openly the prohibition of celebrating it that took place earlier. That being said, the Communio school generally does not call for or demand the exclusive use of the Extraordinary Form. It would, generally speaking, however decry some of the ways the Ordinary Form is celebrated in many places that are a far cry from what official Church documents actually call for. Personally, I love the Extraordinary Form! I also love the Ordinary Form when it is celebrated the way it is supposed to be: with sacred music and reverence. I am blessed to have a parish that celebrates the Ordinary Form of the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in manner befitting the tremendous mystery present on the Altar!
@Francisco-Fe
@Francisco-Fe 4 года назад
Your excellency, thank you for sharing your experience with the New theology or Communio. My experience has been very different. I experienced instead that with it, we lost the zeal for the Eternal Truth. I read many books of this "New theology", and in my opinion they miss represent the opinion of the fathers, many times turning the words of the fathers in an attempt to promote their errors. Other times they use historical criticism as a tool to try to shake the foundation of our Faith. Your excellency, you said that Benedict XVI forms part of these group of theologians, but it seems that you are forgetting that he had an intellectual trajectory. He started as one of these theologians but his zeal for The Truth and his openness for Truth brought him to a different category. And sincerely I think that Saint John Paul II had a similar trajectory. For they saw the confusion that was caused by 60s-70s revolution. God bless!
@iqgustavo
@iqgustavo 11 месяцев назад
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:01 🇫🇷 Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, also known as Cardinal at Chick Araya, served Pope John Paul II and was involved in an incident when Pope Benedict was accosted at St. Peter's. 01:16 🇫🇷 Bishop Barron attended the funeral of the great Jesuit theologian Henri de Lubac in 1991 at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. 02:24 🇫🇷 Cardinal Aloyisius Ambrozic paid tribute to Henri de Lubac on behalf of Pope John Paul II during the funeral, highlighting their close relationship. 03:33 📚 The relationship between Pope John Paul II and Henri de Lubac reveals insights into the state of theology today, particularly regarding theological arguments within the Catholic Church. 03:59 🌟 Henri de Lubac was a key figure in the "new theology" movement, which emphasized a return to the Bible, church fathers, a more culturally generous interpretation of Thomas Aquinas, and ecumenical openness. 05:23 🎙️ After Vatican II, the victorious party split into more liberal and conservative readings of the council's documents, with figures like Hans Küng representing liberalism. 07:25 🙌 Pope John Paul II embraced a middle path, represented by Henri de Lubac, Joseph Ratzinger, and Hans Urs von Balthasar, promoting a balanced theological approach. 08:47 🚶 Descendants of both the post-conciliar liberal and pre-conciliar conservative traditions are present in today's theological landscape. 09:39 📜 Bishop Barron advocates for the "de Lubac option," an approach deeply rooted in Catholicism, scripture, church fathers, and St. Thomas Aquinas, while also engaging in cultural dialogue and ecumenism. Made with HARPA AI
@BCSTS
@BCSTS 2 года назад
Thank you Bishop Baron.....exactly right ! Both extremes which are now dividing our church...have got it wrong.... & the catholic church is therefore in danger.....we must pray constantly & trust God will somehow bring us out of this darkness! Now I know I can watch your videos....I avoid most bishop & priest videos because they are too upsetting, depressing & not at all what Jesus taught...in many many ways!
@retiredatlast1976
@retiredatlast1976 4 года назад
Catholic theology today is missing a discussion of reconciliation, not in the confessional, but between individuals. Forgiveness is necessary, but what about their reconciliation? Is there reconciliation between parties after their deaths with Jesus as a facilitator? For the living, is restitution a requirement for reconciliation? Should the injured person be the imitator of reconciliation after a statement of forgiveness? Or should the person who has committed the injury seek reconciliation? If that person does not seek reconciliation, is there any when both persons die? Just what is Jesus expecting?
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
Is this an OPEN QUESTION FORUM?
@retiredatlast1976
@retiredatlast1976 4 года назад
@@marypinakat8594 Consider it a theological subject to be addressed by some catholic clergy and the author of these videos refers to himself as a theologian.
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
@@retiredatlast1976 I'm afraid things don't work that way.
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
@@retiredatlast1976 Could wait of course. This I am certain that Jesus WILL cause good things to materialise one way or another when we do have genuine issues/matters in our hearts and life.
@ThomistC
@ThomistC 4 года назад
Bishop Barron, you had me at Pere de Lubac. You had me at Pere de Lubac.
@cardioaldia
@cardioaldia 4 года назад
Very interesting insight about liberal and conservative "Ways" of Vatican II,,, but as you say, the middle is the best. Cardinal de Lubac was a great "insighter" , together with St JP II, and pope Benedict;; captains of this very well grounded theological path of the Catholic view. Thanks Bishop Barron for another great video...
@jmdomaniii
@jmdomaniii 4 года назад
Mario R. Lambour E. Why is the middle the best?
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@jmdomaniii because it is the way of hegel, and that is what is being advocated here for "revolution." it isn't Good at all, but that is intended.
@cardioaldia
@cardioaldia 4 года назад
I think ( actually it's not my quote ), that's all the way in a very Catholic stand that is non confrontative with the, old very pragmatic seeings of the prevatican II era, with a more "elastic" and modernized post Vatican II view that the Catholics have to adopt to evangelize in this very ungrounded world we're living today..
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@cardioaldia So, yes, hegelianism that is poorly disguised.
@alancouvillion6320
@alancouvillion6320 4 года назад
Bishop , I have been closely following you for years now , this post does not do justice on who you are. I really believe you are very different from any that you mentioned. You are who God has called you to be and that may be what we need at this place in history. Yes I think so!
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
Well, I appreciate that. But I'm also proud to stand in a particular theological tradition. To be sure, I'm responding in my own way to the needs and demands of this time, but I'm doing it, I hope, in line with a great tradition.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@BishopBarron Is God approving of the Tradition is what you should ask. CS Lewis (since non-Catholic sources seem more eagerly received here), true progress is to return to before a mistake was made and not to continue with that mistake.
@listsforthecurious
@listsforthecurious 4 года назад
It seems reasonable to respect de Lubac. Do traditionalists, at least in the broad sense (not necessarily attendees of the EF mass) oppose reading the Church Fathers or the bible in favour of theological manuals, or do they recommend doing both? Most of the more "conservative" Catholics I know are interested in the Church Fathers and in personal bible study, at least in the form of Lectio Divina. I think what is probably going on is a synthesis of the likes of de Lubac into the broader stream of Catholic theology, with an uptake in the popularity of the old theological manuals. (As a layman, I particularly like the clarity of the old Moral Theology manuals, which have the excellent virtue of logical consistency and intelligibility.)
@richardbenitez7803
@richardbenitez7803 4 года назад
I’ve always wanted to know why bishop Barron did not join the Dominicans (based on his prior statements on most admired).
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
If someone ate a Domino's pizza, should he then become a steward at Domino's? Have you heard him speak of Lutherans? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4NFyyMxnyGI.html
@greypilgrim1649
@greypilgrim1649 4 года назад
The sad thing is there is no room for nuance in todays political or even theological views. Everything is "four legs good, two legs bad" and that's why there are people who attack BB... because anything beyond their simplistic talking point views, on either side mind you, they are unable/unwilling to engage in a dialogue.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
So you now mention hegel. Pay attention to what MattandRobb said to you days ago.
@4309chris
@4309chris 4 года назад
I'm not so sure, I know people who want to have dialogue with BB and BB avoids clarifying. Seems almost like weaponized ambiguity. and there is no nuance with the Lord. there is 1 God, 1 church, 1 truth...and there is a Hell.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@4309chris you have to understand "dialogue" in this sense refers to the "hegelian dialectic." the idea is to "synthesize" Christianity and satanism piece-by-piece. this process is called "dialogue." Pray and Repent.
@greypilgrim1649
@greypilgrim1649 4 года назад
@@4309chris I apologize if I came off angry that is not my intent.. just to get my thoughts down. I'm not trying to get at some sort of relativism, and I agree there is danger in ambiguity. I would just add that, although we can never fully understand God in this life, it takes a tremendous amount of nuance to TRY to understand Him. Any theological text from the early church fathers are highly complex and nuanced because even the most seemingly simply questions are insanely complicated. One example would be the existence of Hell, which I don't believe BB ever said didn't exist. But how do we begin to square an all loving God with the prospect of any of His creation being subjected to eternal separation from Him after this life. I have had an extremely hard time with this topic since I was a child, especially the relationship between God's providence and our free will, and what's more the passage of the "wide and narrow gates". How could God say the set of conditions are such that almost every single person I have ever met is subject to Hell, and what's more statistically speaking, I'm probably in that group too. I've also even thought it isn't obvious that existence is better than nonexistence. After all Jesus did say it would have been better if Judas had never been born, what are we to make of that? I know I'm rambling....but I say this all to say I have struggled mightily with these issues of faith and BB efforts to answer them have been extremely helpful. Also I'm not sure why people attack him so much if almost all his theology is in reference to the church fathers.
@4309chris
@4309chris 4 года назад
@@greypilgrim1649 I need to be more charitable myself. I apologize for assuming your approach. God Bless!
@Dadore
@Dadore 4 года назад
When will you make a video about the Amazon Schism?
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
Not that you're prejudiced or anything...
@klarity1111
@klarity1111 4 года назад
@@BishopBarron I believe that Pope Francis is doing a very good job. No pope is perfect, however.
@timgregson5533
@timgregson5533 4 года назад
Bishop Barron, I don't have a problem with what you propose in this video. Yet, I believe that you "caved in" to the culture in your discussions with both Ben Shapiro and Dave Ruben. In my opinion, you did not represent the teachings of the Church, the Fathers, or Thomas Aquinas in your answers to them regarding salvation through Christ alone (the "privileged way?"), or so-called "gay marriage" respectively. I can't imagine Sts. Peter and Paul saying those things, even though I understand the argument from Romans 1.
@timgregson5533
@timgregson5533 4 года назад
@@BishopBarron thank you for your prompt reply. I do understand the teaching of Vatican II, which is a "hermeneutic of continuity." I guess my response is, in what way did you evangelize them of the importance and necessity of Jesus Christ? Your response to Ben Shapiro might be an academic response about a pagan who never had an opportunity to hear the gospel (Romans 2), but to my ears (and maybe Ben's?) it sounded as though his road of having heard the gospel and rejecting it, and our road of submitting to it, both lead to salvation, albeit through Christ. I am not asking you to be a fire and brimstone fundamentalist. I typically appreciate the way you engage the culture. But the method of evangelizing Jesus as the "privileged way" is not effective because the gospel is absolute folly to the world. Why accept the gospel when I can live without it and still be saved?
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
Tim Gregson Well Tim, your argument is with Vatican 2, which clearly teaches what I taught. Later in the interview, I spoke intensely about Jesus as the fulfillment of Israel. Please God, that might have planted evangelical seeds. I just emphatically disagree with those who argue that condemning Shapiro to Hell is the best way to evangelize him.
@timgregson5533
@timgregson5533 4 года назад
@@BishopBarron I'm not one of those. Hell is in the back of my own mind, which compels me to evangelize. I certainly wouldn't lead with it. In any case, Bishop Barron, I do think you do good work and your RU-vid videos were highly instrumental in my own conversion to Catholicism from Calvinism. So I really can't thank you enough for your role in my own journey.
@NLT31
@NLT31 4 года назад
Bishop Robert Barron I agree with your approach and could see your logic based on your motive as the interview transpired. I once was getting professional coaching in what you guys in the US call soccer, I remember thinking to myself, how am I going to find a team when I work full time and the hours were awkward at the time. I remember praying to God as I was walking to work to help me find a team, no sooner had I finished my prayer a car beeped me and pulled up. It was a friend from school who ran a team and they needed a player of my position. I explained that I couldn't train with the team due to hours I worked but that I was getting professional coaching. They told me it was no problem. Now here is the thing, my friend is a Muslim who had always had tremendous respect for me and the team actually was over 95% Muslims. I remember joking to myself that maybe I was praying to the wrong God. Later I remember being profoundly impacted by the instant answer to my prayer that I remember praying, "Whatever your plan is Lord, use me." I played for the team for around 2 years. I never preached my faith, only answering when the odd rare random question got asked. I had no problem with the coach praying to Allah before the game I just quietly prayed to the Lord in my head. I just did my best to live my faith through my conduct. Many years later I found out that 2 of the players became Christian, one was a real hothead, the other went on to work for the Red Cross. They confessed to my family member that they both were impressed with how I responded in certain situations and must have subliminally realised that this was inspired by my faith. I didn't know what Gods plan was but like you say all we can do is plant the seeds and the Holy Spirit does the rest, I take no credit by the way as I believe it's all by God grace. Had I gone in preaching in that situation with people of those kind of convictions I don't think it would have done any good and would have likely been instantly rejected and I would have lost any rapport instantly. I went to a good Catholic school which was run by some very tough Irish nuns, they were tough with us but it always came from a place of love. I remember them really loving Pope John Paul 2. We asked her once about prayers and I'll never forget her answer, she said that when God answers prayers he doesn't necessarily part the clouds and send a lightning bolt through the sky, instead he uses people and often works through them. I was around 10yrs old at the time but for some reason that really opened my eyes. I also remember her being very big on giving thanks in prayer which we would do at least 3 times a day. I just want to take this opportunity to thank you for your wisdom and insight, I really do take great inspiration from your videos, even the film reviews which I think are great.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@NLT31 Also, keep in mind uniting one's Prayer with non-Catholics is mortally sinful.
@Stealthkiller17
@Stealthkiller17 3 года назад
Intersting
@fragwagon
@fragwagon 4 года назад
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@williamcrawford7621
@williamcrawford7621 4 года назад
I am honestly so sympathetic to Bishop Barron's narrative. It is the theology that I have been taught and have lived with all my life. I want it to be true and hope it will be enough, but the recent polls that the Bishop himself has addressed do not speak well of the fruit of Vatican II. Perhaps it is simply that Karl Rahner's theology has been winning. There is certainly evidence of that. But then why can de Lubac's theology not hold its own against Rahner's? The whole point of de Lubac was to make evangelization easier. I am torn and I think this is a time for much dialogue within the Church between the traditionalists and the disciples of de Lubac. Rahner's theology must be totally done away with.
@decluesviews2740
@decluesviews2740 4 года назад
William C please read my reply to Fr. Mark Goring. I hope it may be of some help to you. I agree with you about the dialogue with the traditionalists and the Communio school. Of the Concilium journal founders, however, I have to disagree that it is Rahner's that needs to be done away with; Küng and Schillebeeckx are so much worse. Now, Rahnerians I usually can't stand, but mostly because they grossly misrepresent what Rahner said and did. I didn't mention this directly in my earlier post, but before I studied the Communio school in depth, I studied Rahner's philosophy and theology. He actually was quite brilliant and much more conservative than people portray him to be. His philosophy dissertation was actually an attempt to revivify Thomastic metaphysical epistemology at a German university where Idealism had taken over. He studied under Heiddegar for crying out loud and decided to write a dissertation reviving Thomist philosophy! And guess what: it got rejected, which was totally unfair. It is a very difficult read but it was a brilliant book. Unfortunately, his theology has been bastardized to such an extent no one seems to know what Rahner himself actually taught anymore. For that reason, I dare say Rahner's theology has NOT prevailed; it is barely even known, even by those who cite his name! Additionally, the Communio school has actually been much more influential in the last decade or so than the Rahnerians have been. I say that based on my own graduate work (over 10 years worth) and what I see amongst other students, not just professors. Ratzinger, de Lubac, and von Balthasar are also influencing people much more at the parish level than Rahner is these days. (The liberal nuns are reducing in number.) I've seen it in seminaries especially. So do not despair! Ratzinger once read a quote of a Church Father (St. Basil maybe?) describing the aftermath of the Council of Nicea and how horrendous it was! He did that to show how after a Council, turmoil often lingers. Think about it: after Nicea (325 A.D.), we still needed Ephesus (431 A.D.) and only 20 years later the Council of Chalcedon (451 .A.D.) to help settle Christology! And there were actually even more councils than that; those were just the highlights. Think about that: after multiple Councils over the course of 125 years, people were still debating the Natures and Person of Christ--something so fundamental and taken for granted in our own day. It was quite theologically heated in those days and the Church survived. Do not be afraid! Be vigilant, be educated, be honest, and--most of all--pray and be holy! Pride is the biggest enemy on both the right and the left. That's why I admire Ratzinger/Pope Benedict's emphasis on humility. Without being any more explicit than necessary: he is arguably the most humble Pope of the 21st century, despite media commentary. :) And that's ironic, because he is also perhaps the most brilliant! Read his memoirs, if you ever get a chance: Milestones. It gives a great insight into his love for the liturgy, sanctity, and humility that would become hallmarks of his later works. Sorry for the tome!
@williamcrawford7621
@williamcrawford7621 4 года назад
@@decluesviews2740 Your insight is highly valued, especially given that you are clearly in the field at a scholarly level. Perhaps I was too harsh against Rahner in particular, but now I fear that the Communio school is responsible for the darkness in the Church of our time. Maybe I'm also searching for too simple an answer, and traditionalism does seem like a very easy recourse, but why do we see the faithlessness of the laity and the perversion of the clergy in this post council era of all times? I know the Church has had her share of bad times, but it is hard not to draw a correlation between Vatican II and the present. Even Von Balthazar may have gone a bit far with his "dare we hope that all men be saved" question. Of course, you probably realize my understanding of these theologians is coming second hand from various sources, but maybe you can provide me with further clarity regarding these somewhat jumbled thoughts.
@decluesviews2740
@decluesviews2740 4 года назад
@@williamcrawford7621 I would be glad to try to help. I think this forum is a bit difficult for such a thing, but I will try to summarize. It really is an extension of what Bishop Barron quite aptly mentioned. It would be erroneous to link the bad aftermath of Vatican II with either the Council itself (since that very sort of aftermath occurred after other Councils as well, like Nicea) or with the Communio School. The biggest problem I see is actually the failure to faithfully implement Vatican II. Look at what the Sacrosanctum Concilium calls for verses the crazy liturgical experimentations that took place UNLAWFULLY for decades, just as one major and perhaps most profound example. The Communio School called for what is called a hermeneutic of continuity: reading the Council documents in continuity with the past. The more liberal school (like some members of Concilium) tended towards a hermeneutic of rupture. [Hermeneutic is a fancy term for method of interpretation.] Let's face it, even the Bible is misinterpreted and misused. Do we fault the bible for that? The Catechism can be misquoted and misrepresented and misinterpreted by "theologians." Does that mean it is the Catechism that is bad? No! I agree with the traditionalists that much of modern philosophy has infiltrated and perverted sound philosophical reasoning and theology. As I said in an earlier post, I do think the Modernist Crisis is much worse than the Traditionalist movement by far! My issue with the so-called traditionalist movement is its tendency towards theological near-sightedness and Pharisaical attitudes within that movement. It saddens me, because I would otherwise tend to agree with many of their positions (oh how I would long to see people receiving Our Lord on the tongue, kneeling with a benediction! Actions speak louder than words!). Nevertheless, they tend to be very misinformed. And, as I posted in a another place on this thread, I've often wondered how they justify their actions, given their stance. In a pre-Vatican II conservative/traditionalist world, would it ever be considered a legitimate, sound, and pious thing to publicly decry an Ecumenical Council? It sounds more Protestant than Catholic to me. If I came out and publicly decried the Council of Trent for some of its ambiguity or style of writing, wouldn't I be condemned a liberal and a heretic? Being traditional is fine! Being a traditionalist is dangerous. What's the difference? Love the Extraordinary Form! Attend it if you want to and can. Even criticize liturgical abuses found in some celebrations of the Ordinary Form. But don't condemn/reject and Ecumenical Council wholesale. Don't fail to actually consider that maybe the Novus Ordo celebrated properly according to the rubrics with Sacred Gregorian Chant and Polyphany is actually a most sacred event that ought not be besmirched as something less than a miracle! Bad liturgy and music is one thing, but being ridiculously and hatefully opposed to the proper celebration of the official Ordinary Form of the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is NOT holy and pious; I fear it is much more the opposite and it isn' the Holy Spirit leading people to hate the Ordinary Form and decry and Ecumenical Council. It is modern day Pharisaicalism at its worst, and we all know what our Lord said to the Pharisees, who thought themselves the most pious people around. There is nothing holy about attacking Vatican II or the Novus Ordo per se. Focus on fostering and promoting PROPER implementation of the Council and PROPER celebration of the Ordinary Form. THAT is the path forward in my view. As Aristotle and St. Thomas taught: virtue is the mean between two vices: one fails by privation and the other by excess. Don't fall prey to liberalism and modernism, but don't miss the virtuous route by failing in the other direction of vociferous traditionalism either.
@decluesviews2740
@decluesviews2740 4 года назад
​@@williamcrawford7621 Some further thoughts. Firstly, most of the liberalism/modernism was going on well before Vatican II. Vatican II didn't create that movement; they were there long before, just as Arianism existed before Nicea and after, but we wouldn't blame Nicea for Arianism. We wouldn't say: "it left the door open for further misinterpretations of Christology and thus can be ignored." Most of the modernist ideas were being taught and espoused before the Council. The fact that some--even many!--liberals continued to teach contrary to the Council is not the Council's fault. But I think it is dangerous to give the faithful and the world the impression that the liberal interpretation of Vatican II is the accurate one. It isn't! That's the point. And the more traditionalists bash Vatican II rather than combat the actual erroneous theologies espoused by misinterpreters, the less the authentic presentation of Vatican II takes root and the worse things get. I've given talks where people said in response: "but didn't Vatican II do away with that?" I showed them how such things were not correct; thus I helped bring an authentic understanding of Vatican II to the fore to combat the gross misrepresentations common in liberal media. In fact, I once taught a Catholic Social Teaching course to lay ministry students. It was quite interesting to see some of their reactions when I actually took them through the Social Encyclicals beginning with Pope Leo XIII. It was almost priceless! Even one of the facilitators sat with mouth ajar in shock. Why? Because it isn't what they expected. They expected some liberal social theory calling for a socialist revolution. Instead, what they got was a good helping of the explicitly anti-Socialist and anti-Communist teaching from those documents. Yes, that came along with--the relatively much softer but still present--warnings against extreme unfettered Capitalism and the need for justice on the part of both capital and labor. But so long as good Catholics ignore documents that liberals have hijacked, we are letting them steal our weapons from us. We need the Communio school to get a more accurate understanding of what the Council actually taught. Their whole aim was to "reclaim the center." And they've done a great job. There aren't too many Küng followers growing up these days; there are TONS of fans of Ratzinger/Pope Benedict, and that is a good thing.
@williamcrawford7621
@williamcrawford7621 4 года назад
@@decluesviews2740 Out of curiosity, what should a Novus Ordo Mass look like according to the Council? You mentioned kneeling and receiving on the tongue, so I imagine communion rails should still be a thing. And what about ad orientum? Would that still be part of the Novus Ordo? Also, if you have the technical ability, you should consider producing RU-vid videos. The traditionalists are dominating this sphere and they have few people rebuffing their points. If what you say is true, they could be doing more damage than good.
@elitisthavoc3949
@elitisthavoc3949 2 года назад
Fulton sheen, & Saint Peter Damian, pray for us.
@j.r.r5863
@j.r.r5863 4 года назад
I really appreciate you Bishop Barron, and I am dearly grateful to you for all you’ve done, but Thomism was clearly better. Look at the mess this has brought us. I will never go SSPX, I won’t say Vatican II was the smoke of Satan, that Pope Francis is an invalid Pope, but it and the Pope were definitely a door through which error, confusion, heresy, and the Amazon Synod came through. I feel like we tried the middle path. We’re tired. I’m sick of all of it. I’m a 26 year old Catholic, I’ve lived through three popes and in the course of those papacies I’ve seen the church go from one extreme to the other. I mean, my poor heart has been consoled by John Paul, taught by Benedict, and straight up beaten by Francis, out of nowhere, with a crow bar. I don’t agree with the SSPX, but I am tired of the modernism in the church. I am desperately sick of it, and I hunger deeply for clarity, sound doctrine, and truth even if it translates as rigidity or as closed mindedness. I just want my Lord back. I honestly never understood Mary Magdalene more. They took my Lord and I don’t know where they laid Him.” I can’t explain this in any other way other than that I am done with these modern ideas. I feel that the only was to fix this is to return to tradition. We need another Pope St. Pius X to come in with strength, resolve, and a deep love for God and His church. The church needs a purge, a hardcore one. I mean, I will never leave the church, like you say, it’s not the time to leave her but to fight for her, but the other day I stumbled upon a video of the Orthodox liturgy and my heart ached over the beauty and orthodoxy of it. How I longed for that to be in my beloved mother church again. Then, in my suggestions, I get a video about Pope Francis holding a pagan ceremony in the Vatican gardens! What the heck! Needless to say I felt more alone than ever.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
Jess, I get your frustration, but you have to settle down a bit. You're falling into some melodramatic either/or thinking here. My recommendation to you would be to return to the texts of Vatican II and give them a careful and prayerful reading. You might want to consult Dr. Matthew Levering's great commentaries on the documents as well. After that, go through the Catechism of 1992 in the same prayerful way. These great documents represent what the Church teaches, and I think you'll find it rises above the left-right squabbles of the present moment.
@j.r.r5863
@j.r.r5863 4 года назад
Bishop Robert Barron Yes Bishop, I actually have nothing against the documents. I’ve read them before, and though I may not have understood everything, I found nothing wrong with them. The documents themselves are beautiful. I believe the problem with Vatican II was the extremes people took them to. I don’t have an issue with mass in the vernacular, though I do prefer Latin, so long as it is done reverently. The sad thing is that so few are done reverently. I went to mass in a parish in Chicago not long ago named Holy Cross, and during the consecration the priest said “ This symbolizes my body” not “this is my body” during the consecration. I went to a parish in Kentucky to visit my sister named Mary Queen of the Holy Rosary and during the mass there were people screaming like in Protestant services, there were TV screens on the sanctuary and the Tabernacle was outside. When I read the documents of Vatican II they never called for any of this. I thank you for responding Bishop, and I truly mean no disrespect. I don’t believe in an either or. I don’t think everyone should go to Latin mass, I believe that a Novus Ordo mass that is reverent, truly focused on Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament is beautiful and people should have the choice to attend it if they so wish. What I mean by returning to tradition, is returning to orthodoxy, to a faith that is based on love of God, in truth, in doctrine and not on entertainment or feeling. I love Pope Francis’ kindness, when he donated the building to the poor a few days ago and held a meal for them, it was beautiful, and I was proud beyond words of him. Nevertheless, being Latin American, I know what Pachamama is and all my life I’ve seen people worship her, then I see a service for her in the Vatican gardens. It’s just hard.
@christopherk222
@christopherk222 4 года назад
7:31 . . .and one of the co-founders of the Polish edition of Communio !
@Youdamana
@Youdamana 4 года назад
I caught your excellent appearance on the Ben Shapiro show. Thanks for showing us how.
@justinward3218
@justinward3218 4 года назад
What does “culturally generous mean”? Like what does His Excellency intend to say there?
@NequeNon
@NequeNon 4 года назад
I think it means communicating the same doctrine but in new ways, like the Church Fathers did. Translating the Bible into Latin, for example, is being culturally generous in order to make the words of scripture more accessible to an entire world of people. Another example I would use is from St Thomas Aquinas who dialogued heavily with texts from pagan antiquity (as Aristotle was becoming better known in his time) as well as Muslim texts. St Thomas was taking the good and disputing the wrong, while at the same time praising the works of some of these people from very different cultures but who had valuable distinctions to contribute to the development of theology.
@justinward3218
@justinward3218 4 года назад
Adque that’s the best answer I’ve heard. Thank you.
@NequeNon
@NequeNon 4 года назад
@@justinward3218 Wow! You're too kind! Thank You!
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
An approach that truly engages the culture, neither caving into it nor demonizing it.
@justinward3218
@justinward3218 4 года назад
Bishop Robert Barron wow, I didn’t expect a direct response. Thank you, your excellency. I came into the Church this year and a lot of your videos were a big help early on, I especially appreciate that you always cite your sources. Personally I prefer the old school theology to the new in most cases so far (my “hook” to Catholicism was Edward Feser’s book “The Last Superstition”), but you are my primary source for hearing what the new theology has to say. If the rumors are to be believed, we’ll see you here in Alabama soon! Thank you for your priesthood.
@quayscenes
@quayscenes 4 года назад
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@PJames-fh4gj
@PJames-fh4gj 11 месяцев назад
Very good French from Bp. Barron 3:09 4:31
@reginaclaire4680
@reginaclaire4680 2 месяца назад
@jmdomaniii
@jmdomaniii 4 года назад
6:23 why did we even get into a mess about “reading” the documents of Vatican II? Shouldn’t the documents have been clear and unambiguous? And if a “reading” of these documents conflicted with EARLIER councils/doctors/sacred tradition, shouldn’t they have been scrapped, instead of pretending nothing at all existed before Vatican II? I’m no theologian, but speaking from the trenches of parish life in the U.S.A. I see the smoking ruins of a Church, massive scandal, mass apostocy, horrible ugly churches, flat and deadening liturgy, terrible music, “Catholic” colleges identical to their secular counterpart.... and all this with the people in charge justifying everything they do in the name of the Vatican II documents and the men behind them. So I’m sorry, but I have very little to trust these documents, or the men behind them. I’m tired of them. They seem to have caused nothing but trouble. That’s my emotions, from the bottom of the Church.
@breakerboy365
@breakerboy365 4 года назад
by their fruits you shall know them and these fruits stink
@astrol4b
@astrol4b 4 года назад
I don't get why reactionaries pick arbitrarily Vatican 1 or Trent as the peak of Catholicism and not Carthage, nicea or Florence.
@aisthpaoitht
@aisthpaoitht 7 месяцев назад
I think the biggest problem of the Church in modern times is the autocratic nature of the Papacy, forgetting that the laity is the true body of the Church.
@j.k.6865
@j.k.6865 4 года назад
Communio gang rise up!
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
@Tintin Reporter Don't worry. That is not name of a group.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
Yes, you remind me of what gramsci said, that removing Transcendent Language from the Church will make the weak into communists.
@Tabatista281178
@Tabatista281178 3 года назад
It’s amazing how the scissor theory literally teared apart The Church after Vatican II. Garrigou-Lagrange did not lost, time proved his theology was right, and in time it will go back.
@Tabatista281178
@Tabatista281178 2 года назад
@Prasanth Thomas well, it’s a little bit more complicated than that, and involves the materialism and modernism ideologies, so no, Trent did not dived EU. The problem of Vatican II is it walked back a number etchings of The Church, crated a whole new liturgy, no wonder people that knows both, thinks those belong to different churches. As Benectus XVI said, it’s an Anti-Sillabus.
@cbyzand
@cbyzand 4 года назад
Might it be that a New Medievalism is necessary? The binding of the sciences in search of the footprints of the Eternal God.
@praxidescentenoortiz9664
@praxidescentenoortiz9664 4 года назад
😇😇😇
@user-ud9tk4qg6t
@user-ud9tk4qg6t 8 месяцев назад
Communio vs Concilium? This dichotomy stikes me as a means of controlling opposition. Anyome who doesn't fit neatly into either of these camps--ie) the early days of the SSPX--is marginalized.
@gibbs9434
@gibbs9434 4 года назад
Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. Nouvelle théologie has not been fruitful. Im French, born in the 80's when this trend was at its peak maybe. What I witnessed was a lot of teanagers leaving the Church. No sense of sacred, bad doctrine (i dont think I understood the Real presence concept until very recently)... So I left the Church as well (even if Im responsible to some extent) and so many did the same. No surprise Im more interested in latin mass since I came back to Christ a few years ago. Im not reluctant to go to Novus Ordo (even if I dont like as much as traditional liturgy) but most of the time Im chocked by what I see (altar Girls, candy distribution during homely....). Cardinal Sarah is right when he talks about the lack of silence and worship at mass. And I dont think there bas been such a drop in attendance since Vatican 2 unfortunately (again it doesnt mean we must become sedevacantist). Congratulations on your French, it is very good. And God bless you.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
gibbs brunya But friend, laying any of that abuse at the feet of de Lubac is grossly unfair. Blame post-conciliar liberalism, but not la nouvelle theologie.
@riseaslarks
@riseaslarks 4 года назад
So good, Bishop Barron! Vive La Nouvelle Theologie!
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
it's already dead, jim. eternally.
@riseaslarks
@riseaslarks 4 года назад
@@JPX7NGD Not according to Bishop Barron. :)
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@riseaslarks I was talking about according to real life and reality.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 2 года назад
@@riseaslarks So? then you and the “Bishop” will see The Truth in h*ll, of which you both are already in. For him, he cannot get out even if he R*pents eventually.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 2 года назад
@Prasanth Thomas you cannot turn The Church into the antichurch. your s*c*de is more temporal than you are. . The Church Is The Eternal, Indefectible, Immutable, Indestructible, And Most Of All Catholic Body And Bride Of Christ. The Church Is The Perfection Of Israel Founded By Christ, Consecrated By The Holy Spirit in 33AD; everything Promised to Israel and more is Perfected In The Church after is was fulfilled in full. . The Church Created all you know, all you especially don’t know, and all you take for granted. you lose every ounce of it without your remaining Catholic Capital. you are currently in the process of this.
@ingridautin4702
@ingridautin4702 4 года назад
Kissing a Koran and having a statue of Buddha on the tabernacle should not have happened and are by far too generous.
@petersaines2048
@petersaines2048 3 года назад
How does Fatima sit with your theological path your excellency?
@momofnd7902
@momofnd7902 4 года назад
And you speak French. All French people, listen to this Bishop. He loves your country!
@Hohniker
@Hohniker 4 года назад
De Lubac "persecuted"? No mention of Pius XII's denouncement of De Lubac and of Nouvelle Theologie in 1950 in Humani Generis? This is is a very skewed narrative.
@stthomasmore4811
@stthomasmore4811 2 года назад
My only comment for you, Excellency, are the words of the late, great, Venerable Pope Pius XII when he was still Cardinal: “We assume that communism is one of the most obvious instruments of subversion used against the Church and the Tradition of Divine Revelation. So we will witness the contamination of everything that is spiritual: philosophy, science, law, teaching, art, media, literature, theater and religion. I am concerned about what the Blessed Virgin has entrusted to Sister Lucia of Fatima. The insistence by the Holy Lady on the dangers that threaten the Church is a divine warning against the suicide that altering the Faith represents in its liturgy, in its theology and in its soul. I feel around me that the innovators want to dismantle the Holy Church, destroy its universal flame, reject its ornaments and blame it for its historical past. I am convinced that the Church of Peter will have to vindicate its past, otherwise it will dig its own grave. I will fight this battle with all my strength both inside the Church and outside of it, although the forces of evil may one day take advantage of my person, my actions or my writings, as they seek today to distort the history of church. All human heresies that alter the Word of God are invented to make them appear better than It. A day will come when the civilized world will deny God himself, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man is God, that his Son is a symbol, a philosophy like so many others. In the Churches, Catholics will look for the red lamps where Our Lord awaits us, like the sinner in tears before the empty tomb, shouting: “Where have they taken him? Then the priests of Africa, Asia, and the Americas will rise up; those trained in missionary seminaries; who will say and proclaim that the "Bread of Life" is not just any bread, that the Mother of the God-Man is not a mother like many others. And they will be cut to pieces for testifying that Christianity is not a religion like the others, because its Head is the Son of God and the Catholic Church is His Church." As to all these men and their dubiously "rehabilitated" and now codified ideas, I can only say "Vade retro, Satana." The Church of Jesus Christ WILL return in full - no longer doubting, and when it does, it won't be merely "La Nouvelle." You will see, Excellency. And when that great day of Her Immaculate Heart's triumph arrives, Bishop, I do hope to find you no longer against us, but with us.
@hansweichselbaum2534
@hansweichselbaum2534 4 года назад
I have come across the 'Dr Taylor Marshall' Channel recently and have been looking at their teachings and attacks on Bishop Barron in disbelief. I appreciate Bishop Barron keeping his distance, but sometimes wish he would engage with them more directly. Also, I would love seeing Bishop Barron in direct discussion with some of those 'new atheists'. With his cool, but always polite attitude he would be doing a better job than William Lane Craig (for example in discussion with Lawrence Krauss). I also wish that Bishop Barron would be more outspoken against Young Earth creationists. They are responsible for untold numbers of young people turning their backs to the Church.
@marypinakat8594
@marypinakat8594 4 года назад
No one can do everything and everyone is entitled to their own choices, preferences depending on their own judgement. What makes people today expect others to submit to their expectations?
@CrankyGrandma
@CrankyGrandma 4 года назад
I dunno, I think you focus on Christ, on The Eucharist, Our Lady, and you’ll stay steady. Don’t be distracted from the Truth by arguments. What Father Barron is doing with his series is beating fruit and thus he’s being attacked (in order to distract him from fruitful works for Christ). Don’t argue back, Father. Just keep doing what you are called to do.
@BishopBarron
@BishopBarron 4 года назад
@@CrankyGrandma I'm with you, Cranky Grandma!
@hansweichselbaum2534
@hansweichselbaum2534 4 года назад
@@CrankyGrandma You have a point Cranky Grandma. We oldies are not shaken by this battle. It's the younger folks I am worried about. As a scientist I see the pull coming from the atheist side and then the ambush on the fundamentalist's side.
@hansweichselbaum2534
@hansweichselbaum2534 4 года назад
@@MrJking1962 Not problematic to most of us Catholics, but it is a serious obstacle to the Bible-Only Christians who are being told that you are not a Christian unless you take everything what the Bible says literally. I've seen many young people rejecting Christianity because of that.
@wenshan9101
@wenshan9101 4 года назад
Sadly, this reveals how political and divisive the structure of the church is. And those in the middle of the political spectrum need not be thankful. You're gonna get punched from both sides. Rereading Matthew Chap 23 over and over will put us in our place or fire and brimstone will do the job. And before anyone declares his political faith, remember, be one, just as the Father and He are one.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
I have yet to see any of those "older folks" who put their pentagrams under their yoga supplies as finding Bishop Barron all too dangerous. I think Bishop Barron knows that out of fear for them, it also seems he does not care about any other. Something is happening behind the scenes, and it is masonic, I assure you.
@wenshan9101
@wenshan9101 4 года назад
@@JPX7NGD This was not intended for the bishop. I believe he is seeking a path, not a political agenda. I see his sincerity. This is meant for the revolutionaries and the counter-revolutionaries on both ends of the political spectrum. Honestly, I do see Christ as revolutionary. But not beyond His new commandment of love and the enjoinder to deny ourselves and the world. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify.
@wenshan9101
@wenshan9101 4 года назад
@@JPX7NGD PS Even if words come to blows, I am sure bishop is stout enough to take it physically and spiritually. Lol.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 года назад
@@wenshan9101 One can Hope. We are at war, do not forget that.
@wenshan9101
@wenshan9101 4 года назад
@@JPX7NGD but we are at war since the day of man's creation. And that's with Satan. The war now raging in our church sadly is more than spiritual. It is dividing the flock even as we speak. And we have less of an opportunity against Satan if faithfuls become partisan. I see the death of humility as the greatest capital of satan. In other words, we are at war among ourselves when faith requires a war with our human selves.
@vycollet6218
@vycollet6218 4 года назад
À quand une intervention intégrale en français, Monseigneur ... ?
@lesliehidley3387
@lesliehidley3387 4 года назад
XXXOOO
@user-lv1wn5wq7n
@user-lv1wn5wq7n 4 года назад
enjoyed your french
@user-lv1wn5wq7n
@user-lv1wn5wq7n 4 года назад
persecution in the church?
@happyhour1517
@happyhour1517 4 года назад
Yes,okay having a open dialogue with Protestants and the culture,However,it should be to bring them to Jesus’s church and His teaching,Not for the Catholic Church to acquiesce to them so to make them feel right and for us to go away (heresy) from Jesus church. We kindly,lovely listen to them and gentle teach them the Truth. Vatican II is not the culprit but rather the group !the liberal side, which gives way to “the spirit” of Vatican II that is doing and has done most damage to our church in my opinion. The Eucharist in the hand,the railings removed,talk of married priest and woman priest,dumbing our liturgy and music to be more Protestant and secular. All these things have chipped away at the foundation of the Catholic Church,the foundation is Jesus and these actions put Him not in the high esteem He should be to shoe reverence. These actions have caused many to leave the church ,they the liberals thought it would bring more to us but did the opposite. Why? Because people long for truth, to be guided in the true dogmas,doctrine and traction’s that Jesus gave,not a simplified version which causes confusion. We need to bring back the railings,the communion on the tongue and taught of the beauty of why and what things are that we do and have in the church. We don’t do certain things just because,but rather because there is a profound beautiful meaning behind everything that is done in the Mass. it is my belief that when people know these things there will be a stirring in their soul of love for their faith,for the one true apostolic church established by Jesus. Bishop Barron I believe and hope and pray he is of the mindset of what I wrote about talking with those outside the church to lead them to the church ,Jesus’s church, so to say souls not lead them to darkness.
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