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Bitcoin Self-Custody and Cold Storage: The Risks and Benefits of Hard Wallet Devices feat. NVK 

Natalie Brunell
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-In this episode we discuss:
-Why should you self-custody your Bitcoin and how?
-How to choose between cold storage wallets
-What happened with Ledger this month?
-Can someone extract a seed phrase from my cold storage device?
-Cold storage vs trusting exchanges
The history of cold storage wallets
-NVK/Coldcard Wallet origin stories
NVK is a co-founder of Coinkite, a builder of Bitcoin security hardware and other devices, including OpenDime, the Coldcard Wallet, and the BlockClock. The Brazilian-born Canadian previously was co-founder of Ripe Apps, the VP of Product at Method:CRM, and Chief Product Officer at Quandl.
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🗒️ IN THIS EPISODE:
0:00 Intro, Swan Bitcoin promo
1:33 What is a cold storage wallet? What is self custody?
4:32 Defense against debasement
5:50 How does cold storage and self custody work
6:53 What is a seed phrase?
8:28 Picking 12 to 24 words
10:41 How are words generated
11:33 How does wallet-maker not have access to seed phrase?
12:48 Seed phrase security
14:00 Bitcoin 2024, Fold debit card promos
14:56 Public key vs. private key
16:17 MultiSig
18:07 Why create COLDCARD?
19:28 Bitcoin Maxis love security
20:38 Nothing is infallible
23:20 Ledger concerns
25:41 Air gap, points of failure
28:25 Growing up in Brazil
30:58 CrowdHealth, iTrustCapital promos
32:58 Discovering the White Paper
34:25 Early days
35:42 First cold storage wallet
36:56 How do exchanges hold Bitcoin?
39:21 Does cold storage go obsolete?
40:37 Next best thing to cold storage?
42:42 Should I store my Bitcoin all in one place?
46:34 Which cold storage wallet should I use?
48:09 "If you don't want to take the responsibility, don't buy Bitcoin."
49:21 "It's very early."
50:23 Why does NVK live in Canada?
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Комментарии : 111   
@samthasham
@samthasham Год назад
Great info. A guest I did not know and the info about hardware wallet security was very interesting. Thanks Nat!
@myaiumba
@myaiumba Год назад
We love you brother. Thank you for being on the mission. It has already changed my life and reprogrammed my operating system for the better. My eyes are now open and the way I see things are different. Mostly anger or sadness because I see things that I didn’t before. More people get to know you for your humanity and respect through your humbleness. Thank you for all your work.
@marinatinseattle
@marinatinseattle 11 месяцев назад
One of your best interviews to date.
@gdaybitcoin
@gdaybitcoin Год назад
Thanks Natalie another great Pod
@thorarthur66ddz
@thorarthur66ddz Год назад
I love my Coldcard
@PatrickN.
@PatrickN. Год назад
Loved this one Natalie.
@thecryptobureau6738
@thecryptobureau6738 Год назад
Thanks Nat great guest. I will be passing the educational content onto my clients:) Always great watching you interview the top echelon in the space.
@jeremiahlim2925
@jeremiahlim2925 Год назад
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@Winifred_Wood
@Winifred_Wood Год назад
Same thing here, started these last two months. I trade with Ms Antonia, I will say she is the best broker I have ever met and she is FINRA regulated I have certainly made a fair amount with
@goodnessuche1430
@goodnessuche1430 Год назад
NVK is a great teacher
@angief2805
@angief2805 Год назад
Love this conversation! thank so much Natalie. It would be very useful for us that you both, have a second conversation on how is better to save your bitcoin (differents devices, multisig, etc), the part at the end of the conversation that you boarded on the surface. We all have to be permanently aware of software wallet updates (the self-educating) in order to be peaceful and secure about our savings. Muchas muchas gracias!!!
@cuttheknot4781
@cuttheknot4781 Год назад
NVK seems like a true sweetheart of a guy. I trust him at face value (with this opinion I am giving).
@Challender
@Challender Год назад
Thank you, Natalie! Swan sign up just now.
@kaneda4
@kaneda4 Год назад
very interesting itw, thanks guys
@kenallensworth5408
@kenallensworth5408 Год назад
Thanks!
@kimgaugemusic
@kimgaugemusic 10 месяцев назад
I like this guy's philosophy on Bitcoin
@southbayproducts5371
@southbayproducts5371 Год назад
Awesome I am learning everyday as of 2017 as a 60 year old BTC is hope see you in October Thank you great work
@tomstibbs2977
@tomstibbs2977 2 месяца назад
You're a sweetheart....great interview
@Vadeemers
@Vadeemers Год назад
Natalie "that is a bit above my head". Guest "yeah". hehe
@mc-kz8zn
@mc-kz8zn Год назад
This was a great interview, thank you Natalie! Very insightful, down to earth, easy to understand - it's a complicated topic, so thank you for this content and breaking it down for us.
@TeshTube
@TeshTube Год назад
NVK is a legend! Natalie is the best podcast interviewer hands down! Thanks so much for doing this salient interview which is very relevant right now!
@pamelacogginsrobles3606
@pamelacogginsrobles3606 Год назад
To NVK, some "Grandmas" are explaining self custody to their children and grandchildren...lol😅
@MrThemurillos
@MrThemurillos Год назад
Shalom Amen you guys thanks
@lupic3157
@lupic3157 Год назад
Congrats Natalie. Great talk, thanks!
@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711
@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711 Год назад
I am leaving Canada because Binance and Nexo are forced to leave this jurisdiction.. I Love/ed Canada, trudeau ruined it. My financial sovereignty/freedom matters more than my Love for Canada.
@Ariel-rf7yx
@Ariel-rf7yx Год назад
nice lake
@TvAMRR
@TvAMRR Год назад
❤❤❤❤ I love Natalie and love the interview!!😍😊😁! Really very valuable interview.
@tomausman8645
@tomausman8645 Год назад
Awesome Interview. Answered some questions for me. Going to share this. Thanks
@jerrycrosby7887
@jerrycrosby7887 Год назад
Great job Natalie 🙏
@1rjona
@1rjona Год назад
I didnt want to replace my Ledger so i learned to create multi sig wallets and used my Ledger as one of my keys
@Steve.191
@Steve.191 Год назад
Great show thanks 👍
@swamivivekananda-cyclonicm8781
Which wallet big players use to store their assets ?
@eggshi
@eggshi Год назад
ColdCard and their own node. (Electrum)
@NoraTyler8969
@NoraTyler8969 Год назад
I am so fortunate that I made productive decisions about my finances that changed my life forever. I am a single mum living in Melbourne Australia who bought my second home in September and is hoping to retire next year at 50 if things continue to go smoothly for me
@dumalewikina1362
@dumalewikina1362 Год назад
Congratulations beautiful lady. You’re really doing well for yourself, I’m 45 and my financiaI Iife is in a mess. Any great tips would really go a long way in shaping my life. I want to buy my own house, that’s really a big flex........
@NoraTyler8969
@NoraTyler8969 Год назад
I apologize for late reply sweetie, I used the FIRE movement to put my finances in order. Then Invested in stocks, crytocurenwcies and reel estate though the assistance of an Investment Pro who helped me make it this big😇
@dumalewikina1362
@dumalewikina1362 Год назад
Thanks for your kind response, I would love to connect with youR financiaI consuItant
@NoraTyler8969
@NoraTyler8969 Год назад
@MiriamAhmed08
@MiriamAhmed08 Год назад
*Amazing seeing others who trade with MRS. EVELYN GERALD started my investment wit $164,410, a week later, we had grown to $784,080. This lady!! absolute genius.....*
@nashgate1336
@nashgate1336 Год назад
Great interview Natalie. People need to understand keeping your Bitcoin on exchanges is a dangerous prospect.
@elyrod808
@elyrod808 10 месяцев назад
Great video thanks. Question,: I developed a habit to the LIVE mobile interface where I could view my bitcoin. Is there any mobile interface I can use with Sparrow to see my BTC on mobile? Thanks!
@billybitcoin843
@billybitcoin843 Год назад
Be your own bank ❤
@marymyers9211
@marymyers9211 Год назад
Very informative and he's a doll. I'm a grandma so its okay for me to say it😊
@fixthemoneyfixtheworld9183
@fixthemoneyfixtheworld9183 Год назад
Great conversation. Time to get my 4th HWW.
@Adidasler593
@Adidasler593 Год назад
I'm happy to see your subscriber base grow. You deserve it and more. I've been with you since your subscribers were under 1k.
@Jura21
@Jura21 Год назад
Natalie how do you personally self custody your Bitcoin? Hardware wallet? Which exactly?
@nataliebrunell
@nataliebrunell Год назад
I'm shifting to cold card and will shoot a how-to that I will post in the coming weeks! Stay tuned!
@johnqlunchbucket
@johnqlunchbucket Год назад
​​@@nataliebrunell Seed phrase is typwritter technology. Tangem wallet out of Switzerland is the future. No hardware device is needed, no seed phrase, no cables, or charging required and its so secure that I could hand you my private keys and you can't do anything with them, it is so easy to use that a cave man could use it and no firmware updates ever.
@bitcoinpoemspro1406
@bitcoinpoemspro1406 Год назад
I want a large screen so I can see where I am in navigation. So I started with another brand. But I will get the new cold card.
@NiagaraBTC
@NiagaraBTC Год назад
Excellent discussion. I wish I needed another hardware wallet so I could buy a ColdCard Q1
@andrub23
@andrub23 Год назад
Self custody your Bitcoin! Seed Stacks!
@dingfeldersmurfalot4560
@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 Год назад
Nice interview. How about a tutorial walking through the set-up and use?
@PatrickN.
@PatrickN. Год назад
Goto btc sessions channel. That's about all he does. So many tutorials on the cold card from him.
@JonFrumTheFirst
@JonFrumTheFirst Год назад
Wait - they can access your bitcoin just by having posession of your cold wallet? Did I hear that correctly?
@PatrickN.
@PatrickN. Год назад
The cold card mark 4 has never been hacked. Others have, but that being said,they first have to steal your device and then have to be tech savvy enough to break in. Very few people are. I'd say 1 in a million. So if you keep your damn mouth shut and don't brag that you have a shitload of bitcoin then you should be just fine. Hence the saying.. "Stay Humble and Stack sats"
@markaustin9030
@markaustin9030 Год назад
If you air gap your transaction and 24 words, can someone who got malware onto your computer gain access to your 24 words?
@Steve-yn6wq
@Steve-yn6wq Год назад
It seems there is a remote possibility of this; less likely if open source software and hardware is involved; less likely if the hardware makes use of the Anti Clepto Protocol. The security gap is connected to potential misuse of the small nonce datafield in the hardware. A small loophole, but it's there - at least as I understand the description of this problem.
@TravisHeadleyMD
@TravisHeadleyMD Год назад
I need a list of the $13 items so I can extract the seeds from my son’s Trezor.
@siferd18
@siferd18 Год назад
Great interview and breakdown 👌. Keep it up Natalie!
@v3teran75
@v3teran75 Год назад
DCent Wallet
@fromterra9136
@fromterra9136 Год назад
Bitcoin , cold storage , sleep tight.
@tomausman8645
@tomausman8645 Год назад
you didn't leave us a link? Canada is awesome. Move to Alberta
@love4gunz
@love4gunz Год назад
Natalie you're so beautiful 😊
@marvinflyer3043
@marvinflyer3043 Год назад
Great interview Natalie but I have a question.. your interviewee says to buy directly from the manufacturer but how do you know you can trust the manufacturer? If 13:56 you ever have an issue with the device you have to give them some information.
@googlesmostwantedfrog147
@googlesmostwantedfrog147 Год назад
I wonder what percentage of Swan Bitcoin clients self custody? And compare that to the major exchanges
@dingfeldersmurfalot4560
@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 Год назад
I bet Swan has a much higher percentage who self-custody. A lot of people come to shipcoins first, on the massive hype, and arrive at bitcoin later when they learn a bit more and get more serious. So I'm betting the percentage of total newbies is much smaller.
@kbkesq
@kbkesq Год назад
What if there’s an earthquake or flood or fire?
@andrepangemanan6542
@andrepangemanan6542 Год назад
If seeds generated randomy, Is it possible that 2 different people generate same seeds? For example, today I generated a seeds and put some bitcoin in it. Then 10 years later (year 2033) other people generate the seeds that I have generated today (year 2023) -> is it possible? If so, how can I prevent it from happening?
@intesoft-inc
@intesoft-inc Год назад
The probability would be like two people picking the exact same atom from the entire universe. I was hoping I'd get lucky and get Satoshi's when I generated mine. Didn't happen (sad face). Strength in (large) numbers.
@andrepangemanan6542
@andrepangemanan6542 Год назад
@@intesoft-inc okay I see... Then is it possible for someone to constantly generating seeds until they got wallet that have some bitcoin in it?
@intesoft-inc
@intesoft-inc Год назад
This may help with how infinitesimally small the chance is. It's not specifically the scenario, but closely related and helps put things into perspective. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-S9JGmA5_unY.html
@PatrickN.
@PatrickN. Год назад
It would never happen in a million years. There's a lot of atoms in our universe. 😁
@andrepangemanan6542
@andrepangemanan6542 Год назад
@@intesoft-inc Okay, thanks for your explanation
@indysitebroker
@indysitebroker Год назад
I really don’t think he answered your questions about the use ability to the uninitiated such as your grandmother.
@viralsheddingzombie5324
@viralsheddingzombie5324 Год назад
So let's say you have a hardware wallet and a catastrophic event causes the software to become corrupted beyond repair. You have the seed phrase. Can you recover your coins, or is it gone forever?
@marinatinseattle
@marinatinseattle 11 месяцев назад
yes. you can recover using the seed phrase to a different wallet
@MatthewRobinson3
@MatthewRobinson3 Год назад
When it comes to the world of investment, most people like me don't know where to start from. I really need guidance
@user-fe9nv9lw9f
@user-fe9nv9lw9f Год назад
You actually need an expert trader assign by a registered brokerage company to help you out. I currently trade with Mrs Nancy Williams Laplace. I think she's the best when it comes to investment.
@MatthewRobinson3
@MatthewRobinson3 Год назад
​@@user-fe9nv9lw9f Where can I contact Mrs Nancy Williams please?
@user-fe9nv9lw9f
@user-fe9nv9lw9f Год назад
She's available on Telegram
@user-fe9nv9lw9f
@user-fe9nv9lw9f Год назад
@Nancy18 👆THAT'S HER USERNAME
@Jamiewhite663
@Jamiewhite663 Год назад
Honestly! Nancy Williams is the key to robust profits. I'm currently on my fourth trade. Started off with a low and now my wallet unbelievable!
@gloriamariadc7757
@gloriamariadc7757 Год назад
I’m sorry, but it’s super weird for someone like Natalie (& so so so many) who’s such a big proponent of BTC but not oddly not big on sharing how u store ur btc. What’s th pt in learning abt BTC if u don’t responsibly store it!!! This is a big drawdown to its adoption. I call BS on th BTC influencers who keep saying do ur homework but don’t share how they themselves store their BTC
@PatrickN.
@PatrickN. Год назад
It's for their own security! They are public figures and if they talk about how THEY do it, then it makes them vulnerable to someone stealing their bitcoin. Think about it.
@didactica9326
@didactica9326 Год назад
None of your business. Learn how to take care of your own business not Natalie's
@TheGj2323
@TheGj2323 Год назад
I thought they are making it easy but came out more confused 😅😅
@JB026
@JB026 Год назад
Wtf, trezor can be hacked within 13 minutes? Thats insane.
@PatrickN.
@PatrickN. Год назад
Don't use it. Use cold card Mark iv
@didactica9326
@didactica9326 Год назад
Satoshi
@Awwyeah281
@Awwyeah281 Год назад
What is your view on the $80 billion of tether fraud? Also how tether prints tethers out of thin air to buy bitcoin and put it in reserves, thus, manipulating the price of bitcoin to whatever tether execs want? Also how tether has less than 1000 customers, many of them being same bankman fried, CZ etc?
@jasont.5851
@jasont.5851 Год назад
Hopefully there will be a part two on this conversation
@flyinghotwing
@flyinghotwing Год назад
youre beautiful natalie, in more ways than one, of course
@dereksnyders8094
@dereksnyders8094 Год назад
You're never going to get mass adoption until you get real upgrades in custody...this is ridiculous 😢
@spaghettibit
@spaghettibit Год назад
What are you implying by “upgrades in custody”?
@spaghettibit
@spaghettibit Год назад
Nobody is going to take responsibility on behalf of people. I feel like you’re asking HW manufacturers to become banks 2.0
@Steve-yn6wq
@Steve-yn6wq Год назад
@@spaghettibit So sad, even banks holding bitcoin for customers in cold storage (outside the USA) point to the small print - which talks about their custodian and that a zillion things might happen affecting your bitcoin negatively while the bank will not take any responsibility. So yes, the custody issue remains ridiculously complex, especially when considering long storage of substantial amounts, less tech savvy people and inheritance transfer/access.
@lamh5265
@lamh5265 5 месяцев назад
Yup....remember MAINFRAME COMPUTER.....humans were called "computers" in the 50's because they were human calculators. Bitcoin is early. But don't be too late.
@leslieguinn6157
@leslieguinn6157 Год назад
Natalie, in my opinion. The Trezor Model T is the most secure commercial HW available. I don't have any conflicts of interest with Trezor. Other than intimate knowledge of using one. I'm a Bitcoin Maxie, and I understand that some Maxies don't like the shit coins support in Trezor. I get that. I just want the most secure HW I can get. I don't trust secure elements in any device. It's false security. They are closed source, and that's an absolute no no for serious security. My Trezor seed phrase can't be hacked by anyone. I don't store my seed phrase in my HW. After I create a wallet I back it up. Verify my backup. Then wipe the device. So there's nothing in it to hack lol. I can do that hundreds of times. Additionally, I use a high entropy passphrase\password that is backed up and stored separately from my seed phrase backup. So even if I didn't wipe the device, and a hacker was able to steal my device. They still couldn't use the seed words without my passphrase\password. Nor could they brute force my passphrase\password. The entropy is too high. It would take longer than the age of the universe. So as you can see. The Trezor Model T is orders of magnitude more powerful than other HW's, and I haven't even mentioned Shamir secret sharing. Or Super Shamir, my favorite. Trust me Natalie. Embrace the power of the dark side lol..🧡🤗
@kbkesq
@kbkesq Год назад
So a poem is a bad idea?
@v3teran75
@v3teran75 Год назад
Buy XRP before its too late
@user-fx6vk3pp5o
@user-fx6vk3pp5o Год назад
don't trust swan to DCA for you. missed my last two buys over some upgrade that does NOTHING for me.
@_LAND_OF_THE_FREE_
@_LAND_OF_THE_FREE_ Год назад
Wow, what a beautiful girl 🤤
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