you do know that "jerryrigeverything" is a play on the phrase "jury rig" which means makeshift repairs and stuff? also linus calls CAD canadian rubles or rupees every time he refers to them so thats not a unique phrase here. i'd agree with voltage at zero degrees though.
@@maskettaman1488 ok I see. My mind was a little bit offshore at the moment I watched this moment. And for one second I thought in Canada you have roubles as well...
You should make a super cheap PC made with all chinese sketchy hardware! You've already showed waterblocks and GPU's, now with this CPU you are already close.
Some of the Chinese parts he has tested (like the Barrow water cooling parts) are not sketchy at all. They are well-known and reputable in the region, just not known in the Western market, even though chances are they are sold in North America or Europe under different brands.
Yeah, there are a few that pop out from time to time and legend says there's a dude in Shenzhen that does conversions. Strange Parts fellow might be able to find the source...tho i don't know that they'd want to show on tape.
This was quite common with the Athlon 64 Mobile Socket 754 CPUs - we would delid an old dead 754 and attach the lid to the mobile 754.... no substrate was needed only a heatspreader lid
during the cold war the soviets stole IC designs from the US and made their own copies.. these copies were so perfect that they even copied a microscopic "owl" figure that was put there to deter that exact sort of thing
How is it sad? The i7-4720HQ was an incredible processor when it came out, and it still is. Thats why it was used in the $2700 2015 Razer Blade 14", because its pretty fast. And yeah I know that price is kind of inflated because Razer, but still, it was a very high end processor when it came out. A few years later it better still be dang fast.
@@-Burb the 4th gen is pretty amazing, I'm still using a 4700mq from 6 years ago. unthinkable how little intel improved all these years. their ssd aren't that good either, I think the best product they make are wifi cards now. no hyperthreading on the 9th gen is a unfitting move as well, If one want to have the function either get the 9900k or go back to 8th gen with unsoldered heat spreader.
AC voltage can be mesured in degrees as it oscilated at a given frequency through two 180° sine waves. It becomes even more complex when one has Three Phase or when ther are Inductve/capacitive loads causing voltage to lead current or vice vesa. Answer me this. Does current flow over the surface of a conductor or does it flow through it like water through a pipe?
@@andrew_koala2974 The AC voltage is measured in volts. The "phase" (more appropriately phase difference) can be measured in degrees, provided you have a multi-phase system. The CPU runs on DC, so no phase, and no 'degree' measurements. Also, lets cut this guy some slack. 'twas a slip of tongue. Happens all the time.
How about a series called "Dennis found what?" Where he scours Asian websites written in his native language and brings us cheap deals and outrageous finds. Lol.
@@justiful9215 My first language is mandarin with simplified Chinese writing system. Based on my own experience about myself and my friends (a mixture of simplified or traditional writing users), I find it easier for simplified Chinese user to read traditional Chinese writing, not the other way around.
Traditional readers can read simplified fine, don't know what a lot of these people are going on about, and simplified readers can read traditional but may find some words they can't read.
@@justiful9215 No, because Chinese is an ideogram, which you can find out the meaning of the word by analysis the character, so it is very easy, for simplified Chinese user, to recognize the meaning of traditional Chinese word. The example you gave is not very correspond with simplified and traditional Chinese.
A guess: some of those missing pads are grounds that have been made common. Result, at least one of the voltage sensor circuits is missing its ground connection and thus the 0v reading.
@Kappa Yeah but specific pins on the socket have to be making contact with that shorted ground for it to make the reading, it cant use the ground pins from another pin in the socket to get those reading because it's not hooked up to the sensor. The grounds would all have to be shorted together on the board side too......
both in desktops and laps there are some pin actually useless to get the cpu running. if you use a bga to take a laptop cpu off you ll find many pins are not connected to the motherboard.
@@cszero2109 Yeah, his house is actually kinda normal, with a little server room for the computers, the vr set up and what not. This set is kind of a call back to the time when LTT was working of a rented house
Actually that is brilliant. Technically you could recycle old Laptop hardware and put it up on the used market for Desktops, to get some money out of them AND cut back on electronic waste. I like the idea. The Execution is a bit ruff, but I like the idea.
All resources being considered, are you sure that'd actually produce less waste in the long run than just ramping up production of new processors? You're still spending the resources of making and soldering a new board, along with all the overhead of designing and maintaining it. Plus, being not only a mobile chip but also an old one at that, it probably won't last half as long as a new one would, and it'll suck up more electricity in the process.
@@TGuyHD To the point they probably have mobile GPU chips made into low power cards, like a mobile 1080Ti (if it exists) on a PCB that can actually be plugged in a PC and have same performance as a actual desktop variant of 1080Ti.
god that auto focus is annoying, what's changed? every single time now when you point the camera to show us something, it's blurry for half the time before we can actually read it's so frustrating
Its time for a new cameraman...seems like an ez job, but as u can see, almost everywhere, theres, shaky hand or doesn’t zoom into things when they need to, or just plain old lazy to do anything more than hold & aim
This only makes sense for Chinese people to buy, and that's the market it's intended for. Shipping within China is dirt cheap. You can get something from anywhere in mainland to wherever your door is for about 2$-5$ and Taobao protects buyers: you can actually make sure it works before confirming reception. Only then does the seller receive any money. Otherwise you can file for a return and they usually refund shipping too. I'd say this comes from a vendor that probably got his hands on a stockpile of laptops with dead motherboards and figured the converted CPUs would sell much faster like that than as spare parts for old laptops.
I could see it making sense for some Americans *IF* they needed the lower power consumption in a desktop package... Then again, hell, you could just buy a laptop.
not really, I rarely have issues with DOA items (I've bought two of the 4980HQs too) and I use a freight forwarder all the time for my Taobao stuff. you just gotta know how to look out for obvious scams, seller reputation, etc.
It's either that, or even brand-new but outdated CPUs left over. I mean, there's almost literally no market for these BGAs outside of PC manufacturers to begin with, and those have no doubt long retooled for newer generations.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes someone in somewhere could use this cpu, maybe in China. There is a lot gaming center than need good performance and low cost to operate. This is a great way to recycle old hardware with great capability in gaming.
@@翛然-v3h say "It's not recovered from a damaged laptop, but bought from some big-name manufacturers. For example, manufacturers like Asus will not buy back every generation of CPUs installed on laptops. When the first-generation CPU is not used up and the Intel enters the new CPU, the manufacturer will stop the production line, so the new notebook processor will flow into the market." that make sense, so they use unused CPU and recover it. turning junk into a useable cpu
This is why I haven't touched my CPU. 4790K with 1080s in SLI = play whatever I want in VR or otherwise. When I bought it, I bough it to be future-proof. Fantastic chip.
Bor Zver He has a team (Linus Media *Group* ) and it’s his full-time job. It’s not really all that much when you consider that each video is roughly only 15 minutes long and he has more than enough editors.
@Bor Zver Most of these videos are pre-recorded from a few days ago, usually anywhere from a week to two weeks from before. Then he sends them to his team of like 5-6 editors who then edit it, then when they finish editing them they usually put them on delayed releases on youtube. Linus usually releases his stuff on Floatplane first, and releases stuff on youtube like a few days later. So usually by the time that non time sensitive videos like this reach youtube, he probably has like 5-10 videos stockpiled to be release every other day.
@Bor Zver Its hardly a lot of videos when you understand that the process of how his videos are published on youtube. Which is why I explained it in more detail.
Ali Express is Legit, when it comes to CPUs and used Hardware, Recently picked up i5 4690k and GA Z97 D3H for a budget gaming build for my little brother for under $210. Paired it with RX 580. CPU is Overclocked to 4.5 at 1.23 V. All stable for over 3 months now and can play any AAA title in 1080p on custom settings. It make sense for people living in ASIA.
@@chopped586 Ali express standard shipping option is good, takes around 10- 15 days depending where you are. Faster options are available but they are pricy and you pay customs. I've been in the dump quite a few times and never paid a single cent on customs duty with standard option. Authorities here don't bother with 100$ pack. Rx 580 was locally sourced Graphics Card are not advised to purchase on any Chinese online portal.
more like taobao for those who don't understand Mandarin Chinese, taobao supports consolidated shipping internationally mainly to Singapore, Malaysia, Australia IIRC
Although the point is valid that we ain't getting a big difference in Canada, but its main purpose is for those at the other side of the Pacific Ocean. Usually the shipment will arrive in 2 days or even 1 day depending on your location, no extra fees needed. And the shipment indeed is the most influential factor while you trying to buy a gadget from other countries.
Nobody, absolutely nobody: "I wish I could use an old mobile CPU in my desktop motherboard" Some guy in China: "Yo I'm about to ruin Intel's whole career"
Also Linus notes that this chip is also overclockable. A lot of dude in a Chinese form called TieBa have successfully OC it to 4.7g, and choice to use 4.5g for daily use.
fellow chinese here, can confirm its correct. was about to post similar comments. more to add, OC was done by IXTU, no Z series boards were required, and Gigabytes boards do not support these chips.
@@Gargantura would suggest against this, some reported instability, bsod and crashes, plus this solder works may not be as stable as intels, and the cooper ihs is not as well built as originals. all in all, too many variables could cause instability, so i wouldnt recommend it unless you re building for fun :D
Someone might be able buy them by the box to save money and sell them for a reasonable cut from 4770. Of course idk how many they have for sale or if there is any demand for them. That would Kill the undercutting price
@@BrendenPragasam have Googled for a while nobody outside China know about this except LTT forum's OP posted about this couple months ago, let's wait and see how the internet reacts. Seems like there's about three types of cross-socket "compatibility" exists right now according to this video. Edit:baidued and bilibilied about this mod,almost all of two architecture on Bga 1386 chip are supported up to 4980hq
6:15 I've heard rumors that various Asian countries are very dedicated to re-purposing E-waste. Things like this could be a by product of that process. Very interesting.
@@adamblomberg Well I am sure those that are self made technicians, probably want to get paid for their hard work as well. Ebay is a wealth of how healthy the 2nd & 3rd hand markets are.
I have got some digging about it yesterday, CPUs with no PCH included,and don't know who sell those chips to them to make this sort of hack happens, appeared one and a half year ago in China with a huge price drop made the price below desktop 4 gen chips recently
Wait a sec here... it's just about 15% lower in Cinebench, but isn't it's power draw WAY lower than that of the i7 4770k giving it a better ratio in terms of power consumption to performance ratio?
MadIIMike mobile processors are generally higher quality, hence why they are more expensive and more efficient than most desktop ones. SpermyWormy2 you'd lose the bet.
The CPUs may have always had the heat spreaders. My guess is they were used in some sort of energy efficient workstations, something industrial, maybe point of sale and the Chinese company just salvaged and resold them.
Bought a 3930K for 70€ on eBay, received it last week. I really recommand this if you have a x79 motherboard. 6 cores at 4.4 GHz, this is a beast for this price !
That's the CPU I'm upgrading from (to TR 2950X). Easily better than this one, though. Six cores is way better than four. And that's a pretty decent price, if you already have the board and RAM.
Let's all be glad Intel doesn't take extra precautions to Killswitch/lock processors to certain functions. A quality Apple has taken up. Keep the tech freedom going!
There was a time when every single processor released by Intel are free to overclock the hell out of it. Now we have to pay extra to get that function. Just saying.
These cpus are named as "magically modified" cpus. It would be much better to make the shipment to a china address and find some friend to bring it here, just if you really wanna these "cheap" chips. Usually for directly overseas shipping, "tax", "addition shipping fee" take place since taobao is not an international online shopping website. BTW, be aware that taobao sells lower quality stuffs than tmall, tmall and taobao are both sub-brands of ali-express.
My Toshiba laptop with a 4700mq died recently and I just found this video. I'm so happy this was in my recommendations. Gonna order and start my build soon
Most i7 4Gen laptop CPU's can be unlocked with a microcode trick. valid.x86.fr/azh8fx hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_frequency/rankings?hardwareTypeId=processor_3899&cores=4
Taobao(淘宝)is one of the biggest online platforms you will find worldwide, so I wouldn't call it weird or random. However, the lack of censorship toward sellers make it hard to have you guaranteed goods. As an online shopper myself, I bought most of my books from it because they are cheap there. But if you know your business, me for example, I know how to select the good ones instead of lower quality ones even frauds, you can save a lot of money.
@@johnrommelramirez7534 Do a mystrious parts setup, use anything they can get in taobao as the cheapest way they could find, and put it against the scrapyard setup and see whay happens.
"Both SpeedStep, power saving, and Turbo Boost are working!" - Between this and the voltage being 0 degrees, I think Linus was on peyote. I love you Linus.
@@ALFABETAS999 Yeah, here in the U.S. China shipping is always included in the price, and the price is low. And I've *never* had a mailman ask for money at the door, and I've ordered thousands of items from eBay.
I'd rather buy a Ryzen 3 CPU at this price point, its better in single thread performance and Z97/87 board are expensive and its a dead platform. If you a buy B250/450 and a Ryzen 3, its going to be cheaper and you will have an upgrade path. And yes I understand that the point of this video wasnt to show the ''value'' of this CPU.
@@ZMangles Well it was (and I think its still is) popular to build X58 rig on the cheap for example. the X5650 is an unlocked 6 cores CPU that can be OCd to 4.5ghz and it still has decent IPC.
yes it's actually the biggest chinese online market..... I used to buy all the stuff on taobao when I was in China, and you could find lots of more interesting stuff than this on Taobao
For a while over the last year to year and a half, i felt that the content you guys put out was missing something. Seems like things are getting better now from at least my perspective. Keep it up!
Great find and great video. I am highly impressed with this discovery. Your CPU shenanigans are wonderful to watch. One of these days, I would love to create a video like this. To see that the custom chip worked must have been a wonderful a ha moment.
@@dnbmania Honestly, I would recommend you stay as far away from it as possible. Being the middle man, and having to make up stories to satisfy both the buyer and the seller, processing returns, etc, it was hell. Also, having buyers try to scam you doesn't help. It is a high risk, low reward situation. For about $2400 of sales (not profit, sales), I (with many hours spent every day micromanaging everything, I netted about -$4.00. And not worth the stress and enormous amount of starting capital you need (ebay and amazon, etc. don't pay you until 21-30 days after the buyer has paid).
@@DevinKan Honestly, you sound like you were doing it wrong. You could fill out sweepstakes all day on fake accounts and probably come out further ahead. I mean, if you had fun, okay, but seriously, that sounds stupid as hell.
If this is possible surely an i9 8950hk or an i7 8750h can be made in the same format. It would actually be worth the money then too. Considering bga laptop processors are cheaper than desktop counterparts
Still worth for upgrade who uses below 4700k(if you can find 4980hq in 1151 socket) Because: 1.iris igpu 2.l4 chche 3.low power consumption at stock because it's a laptop CPU (also overclock it below 4.4ghz) 4.too cheap in China (price dropped recently) Even some people doing some test and branchmark finds out that igpu is good at mining in some point The only cons I know is: 1.cut down least cache 2.overclock setting not store properly
I've replaced my i5-2500 for a Xeon E5-2680v2, new motherboard and 32 GBs of DDR3 REG ECC RAM, for a total less of just a 8700k while performance is very comparable. Best 300 euros i've spent in a while.
@@davidchan1012 no, he doesnt. Chinese means "of china" same as american means "of america" you wouldnt say "the america government is gay" same as you wouldnt say "china government" Chinese is the correct term.
I love your and your team’s content. I just don’t want to watch anything but listening and looking at your videos helps my anxiety aand i get to know some new stuff, aanndd it helps me sleep. Anyway i just wanted to thank your collaboration. 🙂
*THUMBS UP SO LUNUSTECHTIPS CAN SEE!* Linus team... 4-th gen mobile processors support increasing the turbo boost of all cores to the frequency of the single core. Which means - if for example the turbo boost for single core is 3.8, you could bump up the clockspeeds for ALL 4 CORES to 3.8 Ghz. You can also undervolt it via Intel XTU because it's a mobile chip.
I'm still rocking a Intel core i7 4790k @ 4.4Ghz & 16GB DDR3 Memory @ 2400Mhz using a Nvidia 4GB GTX 980 still plays all games fine with 0 bottlenecks. Looking at benchmarks online the Intel core i7 8700k is not that much faster in games. 4790k still holds it's own no need to upgrade!
I had a 6-core 3930k @ 4.5hz and the same ram setup and went to a 7700k and it wasn't that much faster for most things - but it is faster, except for VR, in VR where stuff is rarely multi-threaded the 7700k was much faster. However the 4-score 7700k was slower overall, as in day to day desktop usage, it was laggy compared to the 6-core 3930k and I hated it. I went to an 8700k which gives you all the game performance increase of the 7700k, but with 6-cores - compared to a 4770k it's a huge increase in system performance.
I've got an Intel i7-2600k at 3.4ghz with a 1070 graphics card. Despite the fact that it only has 4gb of RAM (the rest have died over the years since it was new) it still runs just about every game just fine on a 1920 x 1080 screen. That includes Fallout4 in VR, although it struggles a bit with Skyrim VR since I've put some mods on. If I could get new RAM for it, it would be great. Unfortunately it's very hard to get DDR2 nowadays.
@@Here_is_Waldo I haven't used such a crappy low res monitor like that since 2006 when I went from a 1920x1200 to a 2560x1600. If you're gaming like a peasant at 1080p you don't really need much to pull it off.
@@rodmunch69 MmmHmmm. Sure. Ignoring the fact that the 2600k is more than capable of running at 4k since that's more GPU than CPU, I'm not willing to trash a perfectly good PC and spend $2000 just for an extra 10fps that I won't notice. You can call me a peasant while I have money in the bank and you sit flat broke in front of your widescreen.
Welcome to 2005 when the fastest Amd 754 was the Mobile Athlon 4000+ running on desktop boards at 3+ ghz... a single core beating duals. MOBILE PROCESSORS WERE USED FOR OVERCLOCK ON DESKTOP FOR DECADES for the lower temperature/price… that Core2Q Extremes... But RU-vid here we go again!
