Michael Durant came to my high school during senior year and spent an hour and a half talking about the mental health problems he suffered from this incident. He answered all of our questions and is a heckin fantastic human being. I'll never forget that day either.
I had the good fortune to be in attendance at the FBI National Academy in Quantico VA about a decade back when he came there to give a speech to the Class. I don't remember all the particulars, but one bit I DO clearly remember is him talking about the moment he knew the US was coming to get him. When he heard a low rumbling hum overhead, and the Somalis started pointing up through windows and into the sky and yelling "AC! AC! Bad, bad!", he said that was when he knew the cavalry was coming and he was going home soon. He went on to talk about dealing with stress and trauma, how to bounce back from truly horrific experiences, how to open up and seek help, how tor recognize when folks need a helping hand... Afterwards, he was giving autographs and generally just chitchatting with us. Very humble man, very amazing person.
That incident with the donkey is so surreal and bizarre yet the fact that both sides stopped firing to let it go past is heartwarming in it's own way. A lighthearted moment in an otherwise bleak, bloody urban battle.
This story is one sided! Aidid was General and veteran of the Ethiopian Somali war and had so many successes which made it impossible for the US to capture him . He was Soviet trained and before the civil war Somalia had the best trained military in Africa
@@mh3594 this was the first time I had ever heard that story myself. It does kinda explain the donkey in the movie, but it doesn't play out like the story.
I will never forget that day. I was based on Mogadishu Seaport, Somalia 93. One of the Blackhawks that was hit actually landed on the port with one of their crew , who I believe was possibly their crew chief hit badly in his leg and upper chest. You just never forget those things.
I hope you don’t really believe it was a humanitarian mission it was America supporting another group which was pro United States my uncle fought in that war he was a mejor general of the Somali arm forces may he rest in peace
I was there when these events happened. Granted I was lower rank but one of the major issues that we noticed on the ground was the clear lack of defining what our mission was. Originally it was a police action then humanitarian then active engagement. To the military person it is important to understand what your mission is because it changes the was that you function on the ground. Another great video from Simon.
It's probably why somalis still see this war as an invasion to this day Any somali I've ever met says they were fighting against an invasion I felt like the BlackHawk down was honestly unfair since it somehow painted the Americans like saviors They literally came guns blazing and killed more civillians than armed units Probably why when they lost and eventually left the ones remaining were dragged through the streets for days
In Bowden's book, he said that Aidid's militia had gotten their hands on some mortars and would frequently shell the air base that was USJOC command center. The thing was, they had terrible aim, and few of them ever landed even inside the fence around the perimeter. But occasionally, one would land close enough to make some noise inside the barracks. And when that happened, the guys would cheer for the Somali's for getting one inside the perimeter. I always thought that was funny and wondered if it was really true.
Ay Morris, thx for sharing a bit of your experience back then fr. I'm sure that if you would care to elaborate a bit more, that there are thousands of people who would love to hear you tell your story as you saw it through your own perspective
Seems like a common issue with pretty much all US Military actions in the last 35ish years. No clear goal or definition of success. Say what you will about Desert Storm or Just Cause, we’re we’re in, did what we set out to do, and got out, no mission creep.
If anyone is interested in more details, the book is so incredibly detailed, it's phenomenal. Bowden even managed to track down and interview some of the Somali militants involved, it's incredible
I remember this battle got hot news in my country, Malaysia It was 3rd of October 1993 The battle that ensues with the MALBATT forces was called The Battle of Bakara. After 4 times of failure of the operation to save the Us soldiers, US army turned to UN peace keepers and Malaysian UN forces was tasked to help the American forces to evacuate the battlefield with the help of Pakistan. Malaysia was tasked with Condor APV vehicle while Pakistan was with Battle Tank. The impossibility of the mission caused the Pakistan with tanks to retreat, but Malaysia forces on the other hand kept on moving forward despite the risk of death. At the war zone, Malaysia forces did everything to help the American forces to evacuate, even disobey the order by the US forces to retreat, the quote said by the MALBATT was "We go wherever you want us to go, we do whatever you ask us to do tonight, We here to help out." The battle ensues as the convoy with the American soldier was evacuating from the war zone. In the end, with the help of American attack heli, the convoy manage to escape the warzone, but one Condor was hit and a MALBATT soldier was KIA, his name was Mat Aznan. The battle of Bakara was known as one of the greatest courage Malaysian soldier have ever done, even the American was awe by the sheer confidence and bravery the soldiers did even for a soldiers of a foreign land. Unfortunately, not many American knew the MALBATT sacrifice and the American soldiers did their best to make Malaysia MALBATT forces sacrifice to be known in the Mogadishu battle. In the end, the MALBATT unit was known as The Lost Platoon. But Malaysia will make a movie soon title Malbatt: Misi Bakara, where we recreate the battle in bakara. I hope it can give help give the credits for the The Lost Platoon to get the honor they deserve. Heres the trailer if any of you intrested ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-et2viNOwRrE.html
The Malaysian troops did a hell of a job; it was refreshing to know there were real soldiers there to back us up. To borrow a quote: uncommon valor was a common commodity that night, especially the MALBATT. From an American officer to your soldiers, “I would go into any gunfight with any of those MALBATT soldiers any time and anywhere.
Thank to you and your countrymen for having our boys backs. Our military is voluntary and most join to make the world a better place. It is refreshing to know that nations outside NATO understand that and help us in our quest for peace.
Ay Nazo, 'ma kasih fr brobro. Thanks for sharing your insight. It's interesting to hear how the coverage differed back then( and even now) bw m'sia vs the U.S. news narrative when we first heard it in the states on what has become a much revered mission full of sacrifice, bravery, loss, hope & triumph- all of these at the same time. The contribution of Malaysian operatives was but a footnote when the American news covered the story, even so for a couple decades after. As the world becomes more connected and information channels change and grow, it gives a sense of closure and completion as the story comes full circle, even 30+ years later. The whole world now knows the totality of sacrifice and salvation of every nation and soldier involved no matter how big or small by comparison. Oh yeah, & the solid truth that Malaysian spec ops stay on that str8 Wu Tang sh*- Ain't Nun to F* wit, lah!
Can’t forget the boys in the 10th mountain division who went in with the Malaysian and Pakistani troops. those guys fought hard and suffered casualties of their own.
So I was on a flight from MCO to BOS on 10/3/2022 (the anniversary)and the pilot of my flight was Gerry Izzo, one of the copter pilots that made it out. He told the entire plane and we were all sobbing as he told us he lost good friends that day. I will NEVER forget how this pilot spoke about his unit members with such respect and reverence. Goosebumps for real.
Starlah, thx for sharing your experience,thats a one in a lifetime opportunity, glad you had the chance to have that interaction. I'm sure Gerry Izzo would like to hear your retelling of that experience, you should reach out to him- seriously- I sure both yall would appreciate your stories coming full circle together
@Starlah Mutiny- I mean worse that could happen is no reply, but its more likely that ya'll would both make a new friend by the end of it. I say, Go For It!
My uncle was a black hawk pilot for the army medical unit which was responsible for retrieving injured soldiers from the battlefield. He knew all and was friends with most of the soldiers involved in this event. Because of this he couldn't watch the movie or read the book.
I myself, as well as thousands of people more than likely, would love to hear the rest of your Unc's story. Who was he, what happened thru his eyes, how'd it go down? Ik wartime is a touchy subject for most combatants, but sometimes the retelling can help folks find closure. Don't push unc too hard on it, but maybe the two of yall shining some light may help the two of yall grow, if not the rest of the world too that may be listening
Randy and Gordie knew they were going to die down there. Command knew they were going to die. That's why they delayed allowing them to go in. Their actions pulled lots of enemies away from the rangers trying to reach the first crash site, allowing them to get there and retrieve American bodies. Dead or alive, everyone goes home. Randy and Gordie sacrificed their lives to keep that promise. Mike also got to go home eventually in part due to their actions. They are heroes in the purest sense.
Most people don’t know 5 helicopters where hit that day, 2 managed to limp back to the airfield 2 crashed in the city and the third crashed outside the city near the seaport
I was a part of QRF for Juliet 25 I just turned 19 a month prior to going to the Mog. I honestly can't believe it is coming up on 30 years seems like yesterday.
Two of my former coworkers' (sisters) family left Somalia around this time. One was a baby, the other was born shortly after they fled and got asylum in the US. Glad your parents are safe.
I was only a kid at the time, but I still remember the images of dead soldiers' bodies being paraded & dragged through the streets in celebration. It was horrific, and it upset child me so much that for the first time in my young life, I felt the desire for revenge. Of course, I didn't understand anything, but couldn't get how people could treat other humans, especially their dead bodies, in such a way. At least it served to make me more aware of world events growing up, develop a strong appreciation for peace, and be against war unless absolutely necessary.
"The Medal of Honor" was made for people like Gordon and Shughart. They went so far beyond and above beyond the call of duty that the founding fathers themselves are saluting in their graves.
When it comes to US involvement abroad, its simply a case of you're buggered if you do and you're buggered if you don't. Iraq and Afghanistan vs Rwanda and Bosnia. Whatever the US does, its going to be wrong. It's very tricky being the one calling the shots when whatever you do is going to be seen as the wrong choice.
There is always the European way. You let America intervene in your stead and collect all the benefits while remaining on your high horse during your criticism of the US.
I never heard the story about the donkey. It's amazing how two sides, keyed up and trying to kill each other for the better part of a day, can stop to spare a donkey
I do have to point out that the "Special Forces" Simon keeps mentioning was 1SFOD-D, or Delta Force. While they have SF in their name, Delta and SF are different organizations
That's true however 5SFG was most definitely there when this went down. I know this because my dad's team was there and his sniper partner was one of the SeALs.
@@heavenst.murgatroyd3128I noticed that too and it was slightly annoying that it can't be corrected now. 160th is a unit that every branch loves and respects. They have no equal anywhere in the world in their field. Amazing aviators and unit.
I’ve actually gotten to meet both Col. McKnight and 1SG Matt Eversmann. Hearing even just a little of the detail they’re willing to share is incredible.
Met a retired US Army Ranger that fought in this battle. He loved talking about his Ranger training but wasn't to keen on talking about what he saw and experienced during his time in Mogadishu. If you looked at his arms they were all scarred like he'd been rummaging through razor wire.
While the article didn't mention it (at all) but Australia had a contingent in Somalia. My friends who went came home very different, and exceptionally reluctant to talk about what they saw there.
@@petermiddoI can't blame them it was brutal ! But they were deceived because most thought they will face some civilians that took arms ... Instead the warlord had some of the best ex Somali army trained men! Somalia had the best trained military before the civil war and the largest military in the region that had Soviet and US combining training making them unique in military terms . After the collapse of the state most of the 500k military disappeared , but to assume some joined not the warlords was naive to say the least .
Thanks for that ignition. I just want to remind people that the US is a ruthless war hungry empire. They invaded Somalia illegally in 1990s, they didn't consult with the president at the time Mohamed Farah Aideed (the guy that they unsuccessfully tried to capture). In the beginning, the US were welcomed, people thought they came to help. Just like in Iraq. Then the US soldiers started to behave arrogantly, started to shoot at peaceful demonstrators, carrying out arrests like they are some sort of colonial master, even ordering the arrest of president Aideed. Naturally somalis resisted. And then the US fled. It is simple as that.
In Malaysia, we were proud because we managed to help those american survivors, its not an easy mission and one details was missed, when the relief forces departed and starting to get harrassed, the pakistanis left the mission leaving only the malaysians to reinforce the americans
I look forward to seeing the Malaysian movie about this event that is coming out. They only mention the Malaysian forces help in the movie but I have seen a lot of interviews with the American troops involved and they are VERY appreciative of your help. I hope that a lot of Americans take the time ou8t to watch the new film. I can't wait to see it from the Malaysian viewpoint.
I really like the context this series gives to these events. Its easier to see how the special forces team were, in a way, victims to their prior success.
A couple of minor items. The convey that was working it's way through the city was comprised also of infantry from 10th Mountain. I know this because I was in C Company, 3/15th infantry (mechanized) out of Ft Steward. The night of Oct 3rd, we took over division ready force. My platoon was loaded up on C5 galaxies and flown from Savannah, GA->Banglore, Maine->Rome->Cairo->Mogadishu in 18 hours. We landed as the fighting was ending, the platoon was a mixed force from 3/15 infantry and 64th armor consisting of 10 Bradleys + 4 M1 tanks. Because, our job was to support the rangers and 10th mountain for the next 3 days, they went out every single night in an attempt to recover Durant. On the 3rd, night, Adid's compound was leveled by 2 Spectre Gunships. The next morning while on Guard duty, the 2 dead Delta force operators and Durant were left at the front gate of the Airport. I basically spent until March of the next year, guarding either Hunter Base or the MSR (military service road) that circled the city. If you were to ask the soldiers that were on the ground, what went wrong. They would tell you that if you assign US military special operations to a UN Turkish General, and that General doesn't understand how to use the troops correctly. Those special forces operators have to wing-it to figure out the intelligence. This can result in a lack of understanding of your enemy, or an overconfidence on what your can face. Those guys did their job as they are trained, the information they were working with was faulty.
Also, a odd historical note: The Soviet Union in the 1980s, sold weapons to both Somalia and Ethopia. They then trained both sides in slightly different doctrine and incited them to war. Ethopia crushed Somalia in the combat and killed their president. It should be noted when they went to war, they conscripted their farmers. Hence, the famine that killed nearly a million people in the region. Hunter base, was a Russian SAM site and a tank storage site that was very badly damaged during that early fighting. Most of Mogadishu was just foundations, when seen from the air. Politics in that country were really messed up. Three warlords controlled Mogadishu, and 4 controlled the rest of the country. The original reason the UN forces were there is because when they tried to drive food our to the tribes not in Mogadishu, the pakistani trucks were attacked and the food was stolen. This is because, you cannot feed one tribe, because the rest will see you are just making their enemy strong.
@@youn1700You talk total nonsense and just are wrong of something you know nothing about! Somalia had the largest Soviet training and arming in the 70s which made Somalia very powerful regionally and in 1977 It took them a short time to invade Ethiopia and crush their military. Then the Soviet backstabbed the Somalis and sided with Ethiopia and aided them along with Cuban forces and East Germans, Yemen and other Communist states . Somalis even captured many of this communist countries forces . Then the Somalis had to retread back to their border as they couldn't take on a superpower with all its communist allies on their own. After that Somalia became a US friend which was courting Somalia for a while anyways and Somalia started to get US arms and training and it helped the US counter communism in the region up until 1991 civil war. Ethiopia never killed any Somali president!! Once the civil war started arms started to get into the wrong hands and Aidid who was one of the best generals in Somalia created his own militia which of course has many well trained ex army men. The US failed to calculate that into the equation which caused them so many casualties I'm the end
Interesting factoid: the US Marines landed months before in a show of force that immediately halted the warlords fighting, the Marines packed up and left, and the fighting resumed, resulting in the Army's ill-fated turn. One of the marines who was part of the amphibious deployment was Aidid's son, who also ended up President of Somalia in the 2000's.
It was politics that screwed it up. I assure you it has nothing to do with them not being afraid of the Army because anyone with sense knows that they'd rather pick a fight with some Marines versus Army special operations. Secondly, the Army brings logistical capabilities that the Marines can never bring. Marines can win a few battles. The Army is what wins the war. Politics fucked it up per usual.
@@usonumabeach300Aidid son never was president! He was a warlord. Somalia had no officially recognised government until 2012. The US intel is what led it down, you can't go into Somalia that had the best and largest military in Africa and think you can capture one of the best skilled generals it had. The Somali military before the civil war was feared regionally, it took them days to invade much larger Ethiopia and occupied it. It took the Soviet Union East Germany Cuba and other Communist countries to make them retreat in 1977. After that war Somalia switched sides and became a US ally under Reagan administration to counter communism in the region. Somalia had the largest number of Soviet trained troops outside Soviet Union and later on in the 80s US training , and that combined training made it a lethal force. Once the civil war started 1991 many fled the country or joined militias and warlords, hence why Gen Aidid militia was lethal . So it's intel and arrogance that caused so many casualties, because the US should have known that some of the ex Somali army 🪖 men must have joined the warlords, instead they assumed it's civilians that took arms only .
@@theancientsancients1769You seem very intent on pushing the narrative that Aidid and his militia were some kind of super soldiers. It was the policies not of the Washington that did not allow our soldiers to fight to win. Not that Aidid was some Russian trained Sun Tzu. The actions after the battle shows that what you are trying to push is not how it was or is. To be clear 100 soldier vs 1k plus enemy combatants and only 18 died is not in any way possible a victory to Aidid nor does it show his military acument or superior leadership. If anything it is quite the opposite and to suggest anything different shows a lack of understand of War and basic mathematics. Had the US military wanted to kill him then would have not mattered at all what his military credentials are training was as simple one person killed him in an assassination so no he was not hard to kill.
Nice film but clearly biased movie! The US was fighting only one warlord in Mogadishu and his men and not the dozens of warlords controlling different parts of the city, imagine if they had joined the battle too? They didn't because most were General Aidid rivals and wanted him taken out. Another thing is the US underestimated the military, Somalia had the largest best trained military in Africa before the civil war and Aidid was a battle hardened General and Ethiopian war veteran trained by the Soviet . He delivered in that war so many successful battles. He knew the American tactics because he was later on trained by the US too after the Ethiopian war when Somalia became a US ally .
Not entirely accurate! The casualty numbers of the US were far greater and I saw US bodies on every street. This is what spooked the US and not the that one one day mission loss. The US faced a highly skilled general and ex army 🪖 men that were battle harden from the Ethiopian war and that suddenly joined warlords that were ex military men . The US knew Somalia had the largest military in Africa before the civil war , so I'm not sure why they assumed not many of the warlord militia were ex military men?? The city was full of weapons as the country had huge weapons stockpile from the Soviet and US
I had the good fortune to be in attendance at the FBI National Academy in Quantico VA about a decade back when he came there to give a speech to the Class. I don't remember all the particulars, but one bit I DO clearly remember is him talking about the moment he knew the US was coming to get him. When he heard a low rumbling hum overhead, and the Somalis started pointing up through windows and into the sky and yelling "AC! AC! Bad, bad!", he said that was when he knew the cavalry was coming and he was going home soon. He went on to talk about dealing with stress and trauma, how to bounce back from truly horrific experiences, how to open up and seek help, how tor recognize when folks need a helping hand... Afterwards, he was giving autographs and generally just chitchatting with us. Very humble man, very amazing person.
At the military side: the soldiers and delta force had different radios with different frequencies and could not communicate with each other. The movie "Black Hawk Down" is now regular training material as to how NOT to do such an attack and the mistakes of underestimating your enemy.
In that rescue UN convoy within malaysia UN MALBATT, a group of malaysia special force also attend to help.. Malaysia GGK special force .. Malaysia most renown hardcore as special force operator.. when you need to send a group to hell and expected them to come back, we send the GGK . . I heard rumors.. when arrive at the crash site.. the convoy were rained by ak's and rpg's at almost every corner.. one off ggk operator used the mounted 50 cal on APC shooting at the hostile to repel the attack, the armor plate at his 50 cal were spark from enemy bullet but he still firing back at them.. doing this has given some space for american engineer to reach the crash site heli..
one thing that was severely underreported was that in December of 93 I believe US forces provided protection for Aidid when he attended a peace conference.
Interestingly, as someone who spent 22 of 26 years in Special Operations, we never thought of it as a defeat. We looked at it as a modern Tet. We got the guys and extracted everyone. It was the civilian amateur hour in the White House that gave us the horrid taste in our mouth.
A relatively small force against a much larger force with home field advantage. Id call achieving the objective a solid win any day. The media will turn anything into a dog's breakfast.
As the story of this event has, and continued to unfold through the retelling of the operators as well as civs from many nations who experienced it, it is viewed 30+ years as a triumph
which was mired in much sacrifice and loss. A pyrrhic victory of which impossible odds were overcome. No doubt the initial media coverage was atrocious at best, flawed at the least, as details emerged over time, the narrative of this tale has drastically changed for the better. Please read Nazo's comment about the Malaysian perspective of events, I feel it may strike a chord w you
I served with several of the guys involved in Gothic Serpent, both Rangers and 10th Mountain. One of the chalk leaders, SFC Sean Watson (mentioned in the book but not the movie) was my 1SG in 2-502 Infantry at Ft Campbell. He was a certified bad ass, he had a combat scroll along with mustard stain jump wings from Panama.
Really enjoyed the view on this. I was part of OJE in 1996. Can you do some anallise on that operation? I heard the same from each of the 3 waring factions while I was there. But in the years following,that info has been all over the place. Thanx and keep up the great channel.👍🇺🇸
Aidid was also a very qualified and highly trained military officer and had studied the Soviet's occupation of Afghanistan where attack helicopters repeatedly fell prey to (US supplied) RPGs. His men knew exactly how to use their equipment and take down those choppers.
While never having served in the military, worked with a lot of veterans in a government setting. The military spends a lot of resources and hours in stabilizing and build trust with local populations. They spend more time doing community service than actual fighting. Most veterans that I have had interaction with agree that it is a good goal and useful for keeping violence down. Communities where scarcity is high tend to be violent communities. While not perfect, and there was and still is bad actors on the US-side of the conflict, it is why Japan-US relations are so strong at the end of the War. Humanitarian assistance to those in need, even if they were you enemy hours ago is part of avoiding violence and future animosity. Something that the Versailles treaty could addressed and *maybe* avoided WWII.
My brother was there. I still vividly remember my mom freaking out over it. We knew he was in Somalia but had no idea where. Then my mom saw this pop up on the news. My dad and my moms brothers had to calm her down.
My friends uncle was there with the 75th Ranger Regiment and used to tell us stories about what actually happened he didn't like how the movie portrayed things.
@@rc59191 My brother was with a maintenance division I think. He said everyone down to the cooks was ready to grab their rifles and go save them. But they where told to stand down. That's interesting though. I'll have to ask my brother about the movie.
@@crittoneida958 ya pretty much but I remember the director saying in a documentary that they didn't want to make everything accurate as possible they just wanted to tell a story based around the incident. Directors reasoning was they weren't gonna be able to get it all right which doesn't make much sense to me lol. Staff Sergeant Matt was in a Humvee the whole time, the character Grimes didn't exist but the character he was based on was convicted of abusing and preying on his 6 year old daughter, there was 3 Black Hawks shot down not 2, the Pakistani and Malaysian Peacekeepers only got a brief mention when they played a big role in evacuating our Rangers. Honestly the Delta Force Black Hawk Down game for the PlayStation 2 and PC covered the events of what happened better lol. But still the extended edition of the movie is still worth watching though but I think you'll enjoy the book even more.
The US had a much larger casualty numbers and many battles yet only this battle is talked about unfortunately. Many of Soviet trained General Aidid men were battle hardened ex Somali military soldiers and not some civilians that took arms , something nobody mentions
@@givemeabreak100what do you expect when take on the special forces with state of the art heli that can do bursts of gun fire take out a whole block not most of those casualties were civilians.
It’s terrifying just hearing the story. I can’t imagine surviving this. I have a marine friend that struggles with this anniversary every year. He lost one of his friends in this battle.
Thank you for posting this video, I was only in secondary school(in the UK)when this happened & the only info I knew was limited news reports on TV some newspaper articles (and much later the Hollywood film)keep up the good work
I'm usually the first guy to tell the US Military to get lost from places that it doesn't belong. But honestly I'm not sure I can in this point. They were just trying to feed people who were starving, treat the injured and give out medicine, blankets, god knows what else. It was a humanitarian mission, no one was trying to support one government or another, just help the helpless. I'm not sure what else they could possibly have done.
There was a US Navy cruiser sitting right off the coast with a 5" 54 Cal gun and a full magazine offering support for call fire but were never taken up on that. We definitely could have cleared out the path for the vehicles.
After many years hollywood make the blackhawk down movie, now Malaysian film maker just released new film about it. This new film based on the real story about the rescue mission by the Malaysian Army. Just released in Malaysia cinema by 24 august 2023.
It's actually Task Force 160, as in the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment {SOAR}. (Nightstaliers). I have friends in that unit as I was also in Mogadishu in 1993.
Not divided into two we were divided into 5 sections only two came together to form Somali republic two were handed over to Kenya and Ethiopia and one was kept by the French and became Djibouti.
Pretty Good. Although they’re the 160th SOAR (not 106th), the helicopters were MH-60K variants, and there was no mention of the primary special forces unit, 1st-Special Forces Operational Detachment-D (aka “Delta Force”)
When I studied this battle in my service, of course we saw the broader picture of things that should not have happened (repeating the same template multiple times), denying proper specter support, time of day as to the time converged with somalis chewing and using "uppers", conducting the raid when 95% of the local populace distrusted the americans. From my perspective, most of the mistakes were made long before the operation took place, but those rangers on the ground, making snap decisions I think it's the reason as to why there were not more american fatalities in the battle. I've trained with rangers in FTXs between our countries and I gotta admit, I would not like to be on the wrong end of their weapons. Those were some highly disciplined men. Misuse of resource from the higher echelons of C&C, but the teams on the ground, I think, are the main reason american loses weren't higher. Edit: And ofc, we saw the movie. I was 11 when it came out.
I was there I wasn’t a ranger I wasn’t in the unit but I was with the 10th mountain 2nd battalion 14 th inf reg. And we lost guys . We came in to help the rangers and it was the scariest day of my life I was good with death I figured if it came I wouldn’t remember it anyways and that’s what always sucks is remembering things
Yes, bite the hand that feeds you. Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it? Regardless, the US never should have been in Somalia in the first place and should have just let the Somalians starve.
@@madmullahthegreat6122 You're right, the US should never feed starving people again. I couldn't agree more. In the meantime, I'd appreciate it if backward muslim countries would stop trying to tell western countries whether we can put cartoons of Mohamhead in our newspapers.
Research the Carrier of COL Michael Steele and you’ll know the biggest change in our Military is that the Generals at the highest levels are finally acknowledging the price a single life has on our nation. No longer is it ok for a Company Commander to have been “successful” when loosing almost two dozen Soldiers and having nearly a hundred wounded. The Rangers, SEALs, Night Stalkers and Combat Controllers fought valiantly but the leadership of this event should never happen again
The movie is pretty great at depicting the extreme stress and fear in the hopeless back to the wall situation. There's also some modern fps game that had a bit of similar feel in some campaign chapter it, but I forget the game. Now where have I heard top brass and analysts underselling the enemy and overselling the friendly force numbers and skill?
Nice film but clearly biased movie! The US was fighting only one warlord in Mogadishu and his men and not the dozens of warlords controlling different parts of the city, imagine if they had joined the battle too? They didn't because most were General Aidid rivals and wanted him taken out. Another thing is the US underestimated the military, Somalia had the largest best trained military in Africa before the civil war and Aidid was a battle hardened General and Ethiopian war veteran trained by the Soviet . He delivered in that war so many successful battles. He knew the American tactics because he was later on trained by the US too after the Ethiopian war when Somalia became a US ally and switched sides after the Russians backstabbed them . Under Reagan administration Somalia became the US most important ally in Africa and the US trained there for its top secret Star Wars project and Somali was a NASA designated landing 🛬 location for emergencies the only axe outside the US , that's how important it was to the US. That explains why the US intervened. Shortly before the war started oil 🛢️ contracts were signed with US oil companies , hence why Bush senior had to do something to save those contracts . The government fled and warlords filled in the vacuum and the whole mission turned into a mess.
@@theancientsancients1769this information should of been in the video. This guy is always making out the US is just in these countries to protect the innocent
The brother of my one friend was there, never left the base, but the stories he tells are of fear of not knowing what was going on and not knowing how to help beyond making sure ammo and other supplies were available.
I was in 2nd Force Recon 2nd platoon the MEUSOC Special Operations USMC pipe hitters in Somalia during this time. We made the first runs to capture Aideed with 3000 Marines, Helos, Cobras, Trax, our fellow SEAL Platoon, Snipers, Harriers, 81 MM and 60 MM mortars, Mk 19s, 50 Cals, and other war fighting personnel and tools all organic to the MEU. Our MEU commander Col (Gen select) Matthew Broderick was a once in a lifetime officer to work for he could not be politicized in any way. The Somalis called us “The Black Boots” and USMC controlled areas were quiet areas. If you looked at a Marine sideways you got your teeth kicked out if you touched a weapon you died. Period. Our ROES were “Fuck around and find out” it saved countless civilian lives. We did a successful vehicle takedown of multiple vehicles attacking from ship and hit an urban area. Once we inserted on target the “covering force” was massive violent and fast surrounding target both from Helos on ship and from pre-staged CAT teams, Trax and heavy elements racing in to target. Col Broderick himself managed this force from a Huey in air. If anyone even looked at a Marine sideways the Rules of Engagement were KILL. Rifles and ammo were actually issued to Sailors the plan being if our Force Recon platoon got pinned down and 3000 Marines flooding in couldn’t handle business they’d start throwing in anyone who could carry a rifle. If they wanted a bloodbath we’d crush them. Colin Powell was flown to USS Wasp where we were staged awaiting the launch signal to observe. In two raids NO shots in anger were fired the Somalis hit the deck by the thousands I remember looking out into the street from a building we were extracting from and seeing a Marine infantryman swing his rifle like a bat at one single protestor and knock his jaw off not literally but blow his face up. This violent Uber aggressive nature of our covering force which kept flooding in until we extracted from our surgical operation saved thousands of lives. We used some breaches charges on one raid, we double flashbanged all rooms we cleared (flexcuffed some “unknowns”) and “Atch” our platoon Sgt shot his MP5 into a truck lock in one street to look inside no IEDs we’re not in play there in 93-94. Just as we started we were shut down missing Aideed by minutes on one raid and Tier 1 CAG with their small underpinned Ranger covering force took over we went to Israel. Soon after doing a bunch of runs the Somalis figured out there were no ships full of 3000 “Black Boots” and they hit the “Tier 1” Ops with no mercy no fear and coordinated. Now let me make it very clear. My Ranger and CAG brothers fought like fucking LIONS that day to the man. They however couldn’t get help in because they were “secret” and the UN Forces in there weren’t notified in fact it was The Malaysians in their APCs who fought like gangsters thru the city to pull them out the other UN Forces including the 10th Mountain turned around once heavily engaged. The 24 MEU if still on station not in Israel would have run thru that Shithole like hot butter. The young Rangers couldn’t even talk to CAG on the ground. All these lessons learned were fixed decades ago of course. In the end those operators were murdered sent in way too light and the 3000 plus Marines who could have saved them in two hours off the flotilla that sat a mile shore was pulled out and sent away. Lastly if they would have let us keep hitting the Force Recon Platoon with the ARGs SEAL platoon we did our training work up with and lived with on our LPD with our massive assets and the ferocity of our covering force would have either caught or killed Aideed or the other Warlords would have handed him over everything they had was about to be made a parking lot if they engaged us one time in earnest. Hats off to the warriors who killed thousands that day outnumbered 1000-1 and their courage is for eternity. Clinton, His joint chiefs and the Tier 1 brass who vainly believed you could send that size force with limited assets into a city with a million loose AKs and RPGs against battled hardened Somalis in their backyard should all have gone to prison. Sorry this is long winded I’ve never shared this. TL “Dust” Duffield 2nd Force Recon 89-95 Team Leader two Somalia tours including withdrawal.
They have to tell this story in a way that says they were the “good guys” but in reality they came in for natural resources but ran back home with their lives.
Sgt Casey Joyce, a Ranger was killed that day. Apparently, shot in the back from a rooftop when trying to get out. I only met him once at a party in Plano TX. He was a good guy. I think of him, his family and friends. RIP.
American Infantryman of 20 years here... There is literally no amount of support that we can provide that would change any of these places unless we just decide to babysit them for the next hundred years with massive amounts of force on the ground. Every country we've been in has immediately gone back to being exactly the way it was days after we left.
Would have to agree. That said, prioritising their education and trying to move their mindset away from the tribal mentality would do wonders in enabling change to start.
So, I have three tours to Iraq and one to Afghanistan over the course of the whole time we were there. We really tried that. We dumped so many resources into education and infrastructure. Much of it was syphoned away by corruption. We learned that you can't force a Western way of life on people who don't want it. It ended up with us just paying duffle bags full of money to the Sons of Iraq who eventually became ISIS. It's impossible to get an entire culture to stop doing what it's been doing for thousands of years
The problem is islam because it drags the mindset back to the 7th century paganism. That's why these places are so messed up. The people won't be allowed to advance past the mindset of a 7th century man, named muhammed - an illiterate caravan raider, murderer and rapist.
Aided and his militias were the grieving Tribe that overthrow Siyad Bare’s government. They wanted to rule the country as their term and seen the Americans ruining their chance to govern the country. Knowing the political aspect of Somalia could stop this incident.
As an American I personally lean towards less conflict abroad. Most folks here are more concerned with the violence passing through our borders and the havoc it's causing at home. Too often are we the sword and shield of the world. Others hate Americans and America culture until they need us in a firefight, and then they go back to hating Americans.
...as an American, I'm more concerned about the violence within the border and less about migrants seeking a better life from the drug cartels and oppressive regimes our iron pipeline weaponize by the 100's of 1000's per year.
Friend of mine used to skydive from Durant's helicopter when stationed at Bragg. Said he was a great guy. The guys that I've talked to that were involved one way or another with Gothic Serpent are real salt of the earth dudes
RIP To the 19 US forces, one Malaysian force, one Pakistani force, and 312 Somali troops, militiamen, and civilians who were killed in the Battle of Mogadishu
Interesting commentary Simon. How accurate or otherwise was the Black Hawk Down movie compared to reality? Even the movie depicts a harsh time for the US soldiers on the ground and the loss of life on both sides. The warlord's soldiers do not appear as incompetent which adds to the apparent reality and tension in the movie. The American military obviously underestimated their enemy to their own detriment.
Well Somali generals were underestimated. They were cabsple and had knowledgeable in military science, they studied in atleast 3 different coubtries as well. My father even tho he didn't fight the US and their allies, had atleast 32 years of knowledge.
It's amazing how everyone who does this battle always forgets or just leaves out that the 10th Mountain Division of the US Army was there. They were the ones who drove the convoy. The Pakistanis are the ones who drove the armored vehicles of the UN. So all the humvees and flatbeds were driven by 10th Mountain
He is using the term "Special Forces" throughout. Delta are "Special Forces" to most. The difference between Delta and "Regular Army Special Forces" is definitely there but probably not worth going in to for him. Another video...?
Durant was my soccer coach when I was a young kid. We also lived amongst a handful of military personal in TN. Knew some DF people growing up, GB, and a few aircraft mechanics.
