This game gives me chills. But nothing is scarier than the time I went to a planetarium and they showed what it would look like to be pulled into one of those. I had to close my eyes for a second.
would be amazing if black holes in Elite was actually dangerous as a black hole, get to close and you get stuck inside its gravity and hopelessly fall toward it until gravity tears your ship apart and kill you.
The thing is, since you can fly faster than light, you technically could escape even from beyond event horizon. And besides unless you are very precise and has almost no angular momentum relative to black hole, your trajectory should just bring you around black hole and back where you were. It's still just gravity. Unless it has accretion disk that will brake you (and vaporize you) when you are passing through, you will most probably not get "trapped" by a black hole. The problem is the gravity gradient. Assuming 10 solar mass black hole (radius 30km event horizon), even at distance 10000km away, you would experience 5g difference in gravity between your feet and head, which would probably make you pass our (and probably die afterwards due to inability to circulate blood properly if this kept up). Solid high grade steel ball 10m in diameter would be ripped apart around 600km away from black hole and a 2m graphene sheet (the material with best strength against that) at surprisingly close 110km. So even if your orbit would take you back, it may not be you and your ship, but a glowing ring of plasma afterwards. Counterintuitively, the smaller the black hole the more dangerous it is. For Sag A*, you could even cross the event horizon without any problem. The gradient would pull up a human being a faint 0.0009g apart - less effect than what you experience in regular car or plane (let's disregard gamma radiation from accretion disk that is intense enough to probably vaporize any matter in seconds). For extremely small earth-mass primordial black hole, it's 5 milimeter in size, but it will rip solid steel within almost 3 kilometer radius around it. In other words, the only dangerous black hole in the game (at least according to comments, I have not played the game) is the one that is least dangerous in reality in close encounters.
if you and your ship can withstand the forces of accelerating to 200x the speed of light in idk seconds? minutes? honestly you should be borderline indestructible.
@@MrWizardjr9 the "supercruise" mode in Elite is based on pretty much the same idea as the LDS drive in I-War (for anyone who remembers that game): The ship is not accelerated as such, but subjected to "microjumps", moving a small bubble of space containing the ship forward a little bit at a time.
@@koma-k Supercruise is based on the Alcubierre Warp Drive model, which is a real life equation, not from any game. I-War may have also gotten the idea from Alcubierre, but Elite wasn't inspired by I-War.
Have you ever seen the size of 99% of black holes? You could hold them in your hand. kinda hard too hit that. Now the game did call it a "super massive" which.....There is no fucking way.
Yeah, but a BH some meters across would have the gravity well equivalent to a star, so you can be in orbit around that light days away. You won't hold it unless you can lift several sun masses.
I remember playing SpaceEngine, I was just flying through some random ass galaxy I found went up to this star as I got closer it was a barycentre system with a Black Hole, I was flying quite fast and zoomed right up close to it, Never relieved my self faster in my entire life. Thanks to that I have a fear of Black Holes
I share every phobia sentiment in this video, when I first started playing and was able to make it out to the nearest black hole I jumped into the system, got close enough to the black hole to see the lensing, scanned it and nope'd the hell out of there real quick
@@themythicwaffle get out there my friend, if you want more surprise i did it all in a type 2 with tourist passengers, and it took me that whole month of day and night play to do the round trip in time for the pay. I even cooked pasta while flying most days.
I’m heading to Sag A now. I’m about halfway there. I’ve only seen one black hole in game so far, but it was super scary because I’d never experienced one. Looking forward to being terrified as well. Lol.
I lost faith with this game after the negativity that has been flying about. But you reminded me why I came to elite in the first place…. To explore the galaxy that we live in and all its vast, scary beauty. Thanks for reminding me why I love this game and not dragging your videos down with the negative crap that’s being chucked around lately…..
@@joshmacdonald234 most of that negative crap is coming from people who haven't even played the game in months or years. They make claims with no idea what they are talking about and it's painfully obvious.
I arrived to Sag A today after a pit stop at colonia. Wouldn't have made this trip if it weren't for your videos. The great nothingness of deep space scares the shit out of me, the feeling that nothing will save you if you fuck up is an hard to cope with feeling. Next step, Beagle point.
Yup, when I did some of my first "big" travels across space. My friend stressed this out to me to always have a fuel scoop. Sure enough, I almost ended up in basically nothing. With no place around, I BARELY made it to my destination. And I mean barely. Sweating fucking bullets the entire time.
I think about that every time I consider the trips people have made to the moon, or even the ISS. The ISS is a little safer because in order to fly off into space the ISS would have to add more energy to their orbit around Earth, but still. Just the thought of heading for the moon is insane to me, especially considering you can't just look for the moon and then fly _at_ it, because it's moving relative to us, and we're moving relative to everything else. NASA had to fly in a whole other direction and "meet" the moon there, and just trust that the calculations were all completely perfect. And they didn't have computers then in the way we do now. The entire Apollo program that took astronauts to the moon was less technologically complex than our phones were a decade or more ago. The iPhone 6's CLOCK is 32,600 times faster than the best Apollo era computers, and can perform instructions 120 million times faster. There is no safety net. No rope for someone to pull you back. And if you really screw up bad, no way for you to even contact Earth to report the problems they can't help with. It's layers of helplessness, on top of other layers of helplessness, on top of other layers of helplessness, on top of...
Theres one thing in Elite that scares the crap out of me every time I have to do it: fuelscooping giant and supergiant stars. You drop out like normal, then as you fall into orbit to begin scooping you pick up speed. Then about halfway around the star you slow way down and it becomes harder to pull away to safety. You start to overheat even in an engineered asp explorer. As you try to escape from the clutches of the beast, overheating to death, you think "Is this how it ends?" I've landed on Skardee 1 several times without bothering to use heatsinks and I'd rather land on a planet even closer to the exclusion zone than that than come anywhere near giant stars
This why I always keep super cruise assist on my explorer ships. When I first started I would always hit the exclusion zone trying to scoop. I’m much better now, but I use it for orbiting while scooping. Takes longer but you never have to worry about dying anymore.
@@emdee0014set “Show Orbit Lines” to a key, toggle it on when fuel scooping to see the exact exclusion zone 2 years late but saying it for anyone else who passes by
I visited Great Annihilator last year, got some amazing pics and footage by flying around it so the galactic plane is behind it. There's an area not too far from GA, below the Galactic Plane that I like to call the Stellar Graveyard - lots of systems with multiple Neutron Stars and Black Holes in close proximity. The scariest Black Hole I visited was in really close orbit around a main sequence star - I flew between the two to take some clips, when Ch was a massive mistake, almost cooked my ship
@@Equinox226 it's a long way out, almost at Sagittarius. Empyrean Straits, DRYOI PRA sector. There's a lot of non sequence stars there, in weird configurations. Most are still unexplored as well
@@BrunoMoozika he's too serious for me, guys and gals🧐 Honestly, I burned out on Elite earlier this year (after around 1500 hours). I want to get back into it, but I'm sure it's all fucked up right now. Honestly, these exploration videos from Spatch have me thinking about going that route. It's pretty bad, because exploring is my least favorite activity. It's either that, or become a ganker with a heart of gold (almost kill them, escort them back to the station for repairs, then give them a quick, fatherly gank evasion lesson). I love Elite, but I'm gonna have to find a new activity to get me excited about it again.
I would much have preferred if flying into a black hole was a hellish visual effect of twisting bright lights and harsh sound, like the warp drive effect on LSD that goes on for a bit followed by complete blackness or whiteness where the only escape is to quit and reload. Sounds unpleasant, but that would be the point But I agree they are terrifying in concept, and wildly stimulating to the imagination.
Man I just gotta say ur videos convinced me to pick up the game. And after having it downloaded I look forward to trying the game now that I have a few days off work
According to Brian Cox and Lawrence Kraus, and many other reputable astrophysicists, black holes ARE literal stars. Yes, I am aware that most black holes are formed from stars, but according to a large percentage of the astrophysics community, they are considered to actually still be stars. Pretty cool.
remember my first blackhole, it was a small one (that`s what see said) but it was amazing. also the set speed too zero keybound is a realy good tip, also during combat when youre flying FA off.
I have this fear that, when I take a shower, if I open my eyes there will be a tiny black hole spaghettifying me. Or that Earth is falling towards Jupiter
I love your commentary! And I feel you, black holes in ED scare the shit out of me. I had a dream or two about how I accidentaly fly into one. Makes me dizzy just thinking about it
When I first started playing, I got scared after my first jump. I was like holy shit I'm actually out there with no help but myself. I loved that feeling.
I spent 6 months napping a column of the galaxy that was just black holes. That was my way of overcoming the literal same phobia you describe. I wanted to go into astrophysics since I was a young lad, and I'll tell ya, they are the literal only thing I fear, or falling into any sort of gravity well that would crush me, yeah they're terrifying so it's nice to hear someone talk about it in the same way I understand my fear. Cheers, keep making awesome videos!
"Sagittarius A asterisk" doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well as "Sagittarius A star," but it'd cut down on some of the confusion you addressed in this video. It's awesome that you went and explored these spots despite having a phobia of certain stellar bodies like black holes, or just black holes themselves. I know how uncomfortable that kind of thing is. I have a phobia of bees and buzzing sounds near my ears because I was swarmed by hundreds of bees when I was seven or so. I'm 33 now and a lot less rattled by bees and buzzing than I used to be, but it STILL fu*ks with me when a regular house fly buzzes past my ear, even if I know it's just a fly. It's just a terrible, reflexive terror. I know how rough and debilitating legit phobias can be, but you did it for the content, and it came out so cool, man. I had no idea how awesome Elite Dangerous was. I think I might need to buy this game.
Sorry to reply to an old comment, but they're actually perfectly harmless in ED and for good reason. Light cannot escape past the event horizon of a black hole, true. Good thing supercruise let's you travel at 400x the speed of light. Unless you hit the probably 0.5m diameter sized singularity of the black hole, there should be no reason why you wouldn't be able to escape.
At last! A video where someone understands that black holes do not pull or suck things into them. If the Moon could turn into a black hole, depending on the concentration, it would still orbit the Earth as normal. The mass doesn't change at all, only the concentration/density of that mass.
Glad to see someone else who is completely fucking terrified of black holes. Always freaked me out in Space Engine, same with gas giants as you descend through the clouds
I didn't know what to expect from this game, but it has the ability to give you perception of space. The size is incredible and it can be intense and frightening.
I was searching across the galaxy for the nearest galaxy when I started. I ended up finding the HR 1185 B within the Inner Orion Spur. I can honestly find it creepy, seeing it up close.
nah definitely isn’t, i went to a star system a couple hundred light years from the bubble. it had 2 black holes and like 13 ish stars, and the primary star it warped to was an O class, which is infinitely less dense than a black hole. also, if there was just two black holes and no stars, which black hole would it warp to? they’re both infinitely dense
Actually, as these ships are capable of superluminal speeds then in theory the light speed event horizon wouldn’t be the point of no return. As long as you can out accelerate light then technically you could get right up to the singularity…..
@@gabrielm.942 In most cases I think it would yeah. But Sag A* is so large they suggest spaghettification won't occur for a long period past the event horizon. It'd be a long, peaceful drop. So in Sag A*'s case, I imagine superluminal speeds actually could escape their event horizon assuming nothing else whacks you.
@@SepulcherGeist really? Interesting. But with its added mass, wouldn’t the effect even greater? Tbh I don’t look much into them, like you they absolutely terrify me. I can’t look up the system right now, but when I first started playing about a month into the game I took my asp on my first extra bubble expedition and with my relatively high jump range at that time for what I could afford it was a really long one. If was about 400 lyrs out and in total ended up being around 1000 with the detours. But I jumped to a black hole near the coal sack it has two in system. At this time I knew little about them in game and when I couldn’t see it on the map in system I didn’t know where to look. Turns out there’s one almost sitting on the home star and I went to it thinking that it was something else because it labeled it a unidentifed object and I got way to close and it pulled me out and then I realized what it’s was and panicked and jumped out and haven’t been to another since.
The speed of your ship in supercruise is directly related to your distance from massive objects. Since massive objects distort space in the same way your frame shift drive does they negate the degree to which your frameshift can warp space. Within the event horizon your ship shouldn't be able to exceed light. This is why your ship slows down near massive objects. You can even test the inverse principle; if you fly to a distance where your ship is doing 500c then drop out of SC. Immediately jump back to supercruise; you won't have to wait the same amount of time to hit 500c. You'll jump into supercruise well above light speed and quickly match your old speed.
My guy i constantly wait for more content! I'm in a block at the moment and am struggling to get off this planet I decided to make base camp, on my way to a nebula star near the bubble. This is my first run in my Cobra III so idk must be nerves
I couldn't do this vanilla challenge, it was hard enough with my krait getting 60ly a jump. I only went to Colonia and Sag A, explored a bit and went home. Almost died landing on a high G planet, luckily I found a random fleet carrier to repair
Also, you are mistaking. Quasar is a central supermassive black hole with JETS. Quasars have davastating extreme jets. You cant call a black hole without that even a "mini quasar"
I wasn't mistaken - All I said was that in real life they consider the Great Annihilator a microquasar. And they do. I even mentioned that it was actively eating a star in real life, less I cut that from the final video. This isn't a central supermassive black hole, but maybe that's where the micro comes from. But regardless of how it is represented in game, I was correct: in real life they consider the Great Annihilator a microquasar.
Dude I thought I was the only one but I have a big ass tv and the whole setup makes me feel like I’m in a movie theater and when I play elite dangerous or no man’s sky especially after I smoke I start to panic because I think one wrong push of a button and I could end up floating in space forever and when I think about it to much I can’t even breath lol I be shook asf so I can’t imagine I’ll love the idea of getting to close to a black hole at least not on this tv lol
Thank you! I hate it when people say that "Elite black holes are completely inaccurate and you can't even die when you're near one" since they actually do a fantastic job of the visuals and although it's not easy to die near a black hole it's extremely possible if you get too close.
Just made the trip to Colonia, not sure if I want to push out to Sag A this time. So far the scariest thing I have encountered was a neutron star right beside a class G yellow star. Most of the neutrons I had come across before were easy to drift into the stream and easy to get out of. This one was pulsating so fast that I almost didn't skim it for a supercharge. I did skim it and didn't get destroyed by it, but the next one I find like that I may not try it again.
Every time I drop in on any system with a Black Hole as the primary star, my stomach feels like it's just done a front flip and wants to throw my dinner into the BH
This series has inspired me to attempt a Beagle Point run of my own. My first since picking up the game 3 years ago. However, I'm taking my engineered 'Conda on the run. 57 light year jump range, and nearly 500 light year range before I have to refuel... so, compared to your run, easy mode. Except for landing on planets to explore. Finding an even patch of land large enough for the beast has been a real pain on the more interesting planets. À lot of times just slow cruising 50 meters above the surface for kilometers trying to find the sweet spot.
I actually have my keyboard throttle set to 25% increments. I've found no need to have pinpoint control over the throttle, and 50% is where maneuverability is for thrusters and 75% is where supercruise assist sits. I still have a 0 throttle button, but it's not as much of a delay for me to just slow down using the 25% increment method. I do have a dual joystick setup, but I pretty much only use it for combat or running around in my SRV. The keyboard is just more comfortable for running around.
The first black hole I jumped to confused me because I had no idea it was on my planned route. I had looked away for a moment and looked back as I finished jumping in to see ... nothing. I was full stopped in front of nothing. I was confused because I swore I saw a bright blue star before dropping in but now I saw nothing. After a few moments I accelerated the smallest amount. And then the stars inverted in a circular fashion and I nearly crapped myself as I flew right through a small black hole. Super disorienting and extremely uncomfortable especially when it was unexpected. That was when I learned that black holes, if there is another star in the system, might look like a different star type on the map if you have the natural star colors showing.
Blackholes do not just pull in light, they do warp space. Gravitational pull in general compresses space and stretches time. That's basically the postuation of the Relativity Theory, it shattered the Newtonian view that time and space are constant. Remember in the film Event Horizon they talk about this. They can't go faster than the speed of light, but they don't need to, they "just" compress space to the point where to distant points in space become "coterminous" and thereby shorten the distance to zero. Imagine the gravitational force necessary to compress several light years of space to 0, and they do this within our solar system, sounds like a truly dangerous idea to me.
So, when you went close to these BHs did you experience time dilation? After coming away from them, being there for a short time, did “normal” time in the rest of the universe pass by in large amounts?
Dude that would be so cool. It would be so easy to implement too. You'd probably need to get pretty close to cause a noticeable shift, but it'd be worth it. Imagine getting right up to the point of no return and orbiting the black hole for like an hour and then finding out a week has passed.
Lol i arrived at SAG A just today...man the journey to and back from Beagle Point was exhausting, now i just gotta wait for a carrier to bring me home...or ill fly to Colonia and hitch a more common ride there...whats the better option? PS. Hey i wanted to visit the Great Annihilator too, im.just on the way...
Some scientists estimate that about 10.000 tot 20.000 smaller blackholes might be encircling Sag A*. Just like a whole bunch of other stuff. And multiple stars in comet-oval orbit that fall apart wide spread when getting to close - gravitational tidal pressure ripping them all apart in long flame column's - only to reconstitute to somewhat round stars when leaving the proximity of Sag A* again. Sag A* should be extremely visible - not because *it* is visible, but because all that matter whirling around it is extremely visible.
Imagine falling into a black hole, and you just sit there in the middle of it, surrounded by complete void darkness, billions upon billions of miles away from you, all around you, you probably not being able to see even your hands
Being caught in a black hole is like falling forever. And you're falling faster and faster. Until you're falling so fast that the gravitational pull rips you apart. The biggest misconception about black holes is that they suck everything in. But sucking implies that there is air. A black hole is just gravity at it's most extreme. It doesn't suck, it pulls. Like falling here on earth. I think what makes them so eerie is because they are kind of a paradox. They form when stars collapse in on their own gravity. But when that happens, it almost the collapse just kind of keeps going indefinitely, and as a result rips a hole in the fabric of spacetime itself. The theory is that the laws of physics inside a black hole either seizes to exist, or works completely differently. It's like they break the system. It's like because there's so much mass concentrated into a single spot, it just creates this irreversable gravitational collapse that just kind of keeps going. Black holes are definitively some of the most interesting, powerful and spooky objects in the universe. There was a theory that the universe would eventually collapse in on itself as it gets filled with more and more black holes. That essentially the gravitational pull of all the black holes would cause the universe to slow down and eventually collapse back in on itself. It's the so called "big crunch" theory. But now some scientists are starting to believe that there is something causing the universe to accelerate as opposed to slowing down.
I really like your ED content, and you also got me interested in Phasmophobia (bought it yesterday bc of that) Do you think you'll make more phasmo vids?
One time a friend of mine and I were jumping. We numped to system X. Out of nowhere we jumped into real space crashed out of super cruise and we were burning at 250% heat. Seems like there was a. Lack hole between system of departure and system of arrival. We actually dropped near the black hole. We were not at system of destination. We were at a system between departure and arrival.
ive had teh same fear for black hols i remember back in the days (2015 ) when i flew into one you where able to really fly through em ... man .... a month a go i went on an exploration tour and even visited SagA* on hte way ther i was able to do be the first visitor of several minor black holes and the first times i even closed my eyes or watched away on closing in to em :3 ... but in that trip i visited atleast 30 when not even more and get pritty good along with em :3
The first time I went to Saggitarius A* it wasn't the black hole that killed me. I decided to visit the tourist beacon. While approaching it (in the days before supercruise assist modules) I got distracted. When I looked back to my screen, it was too late to stop and I hit the beacon. Destroyed my ship instantly! Who knew those damn beacons were so tough? I remember reading a comment somewhere that a black hole is the only place in the universe where light doesn't travel in a straight line.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that is skeeved out by black holes and white dwarfs. I know it's just a game but makes me sweat every time I drop in on one.
Hey ive been thinking about trying out elite dangerous. Do you guys recommend it? Are there alot of microtransaction or paid dlc? And would you consider the game dead? Ive talked to a few other people and seem to be getting conflicting answers.
did you know that at the center of the galaxy there may not even be a black hole? and it could instead be dark matter or something along those lines, this is believed because a cloud of gases (or something like that) passed right past it and was not destroyed or consumed by the black hole, but was instead completely unharmed and continued along its journey.
You need to visit VY Canis Majoris if you haven't already. It's the biggest known star in the galaxy, and it _is_ in Elite Dangerous, in the Inner Orion Spur. It is a class B, so you can fuel scoop it. As for size, if it were in our solar system it would reach the orbit of Jupiter.
Flying into a star means certain death in E:D, and it gives you great fireworks during the approach. Warnings, visual effects, alarms going off and a spectacular explosion. Some black holes do this as well, but only because of heat and radiation. The massive gravity is just of no concern. They really should lean into the horror most people get from black holes. As you approach, your warning system should go: „Caution: Black hole signature detected.“ Would be really cool if this would go off before you would see the lensing. For SagA* a „Supermassive black hole signature detected.“ would also be pretty cool. Maybe a little „Warning: Approaching maximum gravity threshold.“ or „Approaching event horizon.“ as you fly too close. It should kill you shortly after while sucking you into its center. Some low frequency hums and crackles would really be the cherry on top. As it is right now, capital ships jumping to a position near you is way scarier.
Light doesn't fall into a black hole. Light only travels in straight lines, it's just that the space is so warped the light appears to get bent by, or even orbit the black hole.
i should get you to hitch a ride on my carrier when i head up to the cats eye nebula next time, i dont know if thatd fix your dislike of black holes or make it worse lol
2 facts about black holes- Good: they are ready bad about sucking things into the event horizon. If say a asteroid headed right for it, most likely it would pass really close and sling shot out into space Bad: Unfortunately black holes ALSO get slinged out into space by other black holes. Imagine a invisible singularity careening through space. The problem isn't that it will hit us but that if it passes anywhere near out solar system, it would alter every orbit around our star.
Sag A* Almost killed me on my first trip to it.. Story time.. I had just flown to Colonia, without neutron jumps because I was scared of them, and marvled at a achievement I knew most of the player base had not done.. I only spent a couple hours there visiting the centre's and space stations before heading off to the Green Hole. Just a simple black hole in the middle of a green nebula, really cool btw. I then went to Sag A* and well.. I warped in and was amazed at the lensing effect going on and the fact I just completed this awesome journey. I saw there was a beacon named, "The Center" or whatever, and decided to fly towards it. It had a broken ring.. meaning it was behind Sag A* and I flew directly into our galaxy's biggest black hole. I started to panic as I was absolutely terrified and tried to turn around and fly out. My systems were overheating like crazy, thankfully I was flying a cold Andaconda, but it was pretty crazy and a adrenaline rush to see the systems frying and the warping slowly returning to normal.
