Black holes give birth to new universes: Cosmological evolution | Jeffrey Shainline 

I like how Lex brings in these esteemed guests and is all like "so tell me about X" and the suckers fall for it and give him top-tier tuition for free in whatever field he requires, the absolute mad lad...

This Jeffrey dude is really good at explaining stuff.

Incredible, absolutely incredible. Cosmological evolution.

One day when I was very high, about 7 or 8 years ago, I was pondering the fact that the speed of light is the universe's speed-limit, and how this pertained to black holes. Since the latter don't even allow light to escape, and time and space are inextricably interwoven, it made perfect sense to me that time was also being reversed inside these huge engines, and that the materials being drawn into them, must be spewed out at the other end (a white hole). My stoned conclusion was that if time was 'reversed' enough during the travel from black hole to white hole, then it'd be possible for the 'awaiting' universe outside of the white hole, to be ancient, possibly even the origin of our own universe. I'd never heard anyone express these thoughts at that point, and although I'm not deluded by ego/arrogance, it has to be noted that I am just a factory worker, with no education within this field, so it felt like a breakthrough to me. To hear others' theories confirming the 'possibility' that this might actually be the case, is mind-blowing, for me at least. Also, it was interesting to see the idea played out (somewhat) in the film Interstellar.

i find it interesting that when we get in intense discussions around astronomy it almost feels as "spiritual" as religion

Great discussion here. I have often wondered whether this was the case. This might explain the increasing expansion of the universe. As more offspring universes are brought into existence, the collective mass/energy outside of our own observable universe would increase with profound external effects on our own universe.

This is like, the best clip you've released yet.

Well that conversation is just awesome off the scale mind boggling I need to have breakfast now

In an era of societal psychosis, thank you Lex, for providing fundamental truths in conversation that the world needs as a proper distraction

I'm not the brightest bulb but I've been thinking this for years

“The concept of a lot” Hilarious. Thanks Mr Lex.

Right at the end of the video, Bowie's Starman started playing in the background from another tab. I have chills imagining the blackhole maker blasting this song as they create a trillion universes. Our ancestors realized that it would take the same amount of energy to create a trillion ideal universes as it would to successfully repopulate and terraform a nearby planet. Way to ensure the survival of the species.

I've often thought that instantiation of intelligence was the main outcome for a universe and therefore multiplication via black holes of more universes makes sense to deliver more intelligence. This intelligence when it reaches its peak could therefore design their next universe or more. (Never thought about also creating them faster or efficently - why is faster necessary when time probably does not exist in the bulk or hyper space? And efficiently ? Maybe there isn't an infinite amount of energy in the vacuum..) If we could design a universe by tweaking the parameters in a way that we think favours us better, would we be able to reach it (probably not) and if we could, could our evolved senses here be able to experience it ? And could you make yourself a god in the next one, called Jeff...? Who's buying the next round?

I was aware of the idea universes can be inside black holes but the notion of cosmological evolution is absolutely mind-blowing

The event horizon of a blackhole seems remarkably similar to the light horizon at the edge of the visible universe

This is an incredible conversation

I've never heard this idea before. Really cool thank you.

For close to 2 or 3 years now I've had an on going theory very similar to this that I thought made the most sense within all context. Either black holes opened into white holes either in this universe or into another brand new one as their big bang starts. They are sort of worm holes, or our entire universe is encapsulated into a massive black hole and it's still expanding with tiny black holes inside it. This Is so interesting I love it!

Am I wrong in saying that this is pure speculation? No way to prove this (or falsify it)...?

Lex: Who's Lee Smolin? Podcast #79: Am I a joke to you?

Wow….love how Lex just casually and patiently waits for the End to settle the frequency of an otherwise overwhelmingly confusion of words with a simple thought of communicating through gravitational waves. Great topic to continue this discussion with hopefully a better ping pong for the ping pong match.

When I was 16, I kept going in a mental loop trying to understand what 'Nothing' means. But about a fractal-like multiverse, if we go back each step prior, it's x billions larger than its black hole offspring.

Lex you’re blowing my mind, man.

I have, for 10 years plus, said to friends and family that I think black holes are the begging of a Big Bang for other universes. I have yet to watch the video but I think we’re in the same page

ive always thought that if you could travel thru a black hole it might lead to a new universe.

We need to (and will) eventually discover the next "New Physics," similar to how quantum pulled us further than Newtonian models. It is comes down to the complexity of our instruments and our instruments depend on human complexity, which is based on the evolutionary process and the ultimate "computer" coding that rests at the most fundamental level. It makes perfect sense that black holes consume and then eject material/information into the next "chamber" of the universal honeycomb. Sacred geometry at work. The honeycomb universe is the ultimate experiment in someone's epic laboratory.

I've always questioned if black holes and a "big bang" were the same thing. The problem, or major puzzle piece, is knowing if or how matter/mass is transferred or transformed from such a small amount (let's say a galaxy being absorbed by a black hole) into what seems to be an infinite amount of matter (a universe born into another dimension). Does this mean there are tiny "big bangs" and universes with significantly less matter, but can still be perceived as infinite? The gentleman in this video has an interesting theory about universes "evolving" and almost reproducing. Lex, you da man for having these guests!!!!

Very good idea. I’m looking forward to reading more about it! Darwin FTW AGAIN! :D

This is a great discussion. Id say this podcast is the very best at what it does ya know what i mean? Rogans kinda a jack of all trades, theo von/chris delia win best comedy podcasts imo, and lex is the very best at the super interesting and intelligent discussions. Always asks the right questions and top tier guests, Gotta be one of the very best podcasts online hands down top 5, but the best at his game. Subscribed just now tho iv been watching i dont know how long

Todays youtube binge was worth it

too much struggle lots of pain i suffer myself but never give up keep going

How would a single black hole produce/contain enough 'stuff' to generate an entire universe, with its own black holes, which then have their own 'child' universes?

Great clip, learning something new everytime. I had no idea Bradley Cooper knew so much about space.

Great great watch

I like the idea of gravitational communication. Sorta Like echolocation. I wonder if Aliens use quantum entanglement for communication

If humans are able to come up with the technology to form small black holes, maybe we really WERE selected for...

I knew that as a child. About time yall catching up.

Come on, man! Call it what it is: the big bang was a white hole. He said that the big bang singularity is mathmaticlly identical to a black hole. What else would you call it to simplify the terminology for a more effective conversation?

Yeah - that sounds totally awesome. Also: how do you experimentally test any of this at all?

What happens when the first black hole in the original universe dies? Wouldn’t that destroy every other universe/black hole created from that?

Why would the universe have a beginning though? Makes much more sense that it's eternally existing, never ending evolution, that never began either.

one of the best videos,

1. There doesn't seem to be a clear path between low-level intelligence universes (that cannot purposefully produce black holes) and high-level intelligence universe (that can purposefully produce black holes). So there would have to be an near endless amount of ancestor universes for this random chance to occur. However, AFTER it has occurred (which it will if time is unlimited), then that branch of universes would be prodigious, and perhaps make out the majority of total universes (meaning at any given point, it would be more likely to exist within one of these universes). 2. Even if intelligence COULD (efficiently) produce black holes, what is the incentive to do so? I didn't see the whole episode, just this clip, but if Jeffrey doesn't have some idea of this, I think that's a weak point in his argument.

What if the expansion of the universe and dark matter is just the ‘spooky’ influence of matter falling into our black hole-universe, fuelling the expansion from a place we can’t communicate with or comprehend. That being if we aren’t the first universe in the ‘black hole chain’ which is more probable. Not sure if they actually touched on this subject.

I think it's not just a universe capable of producing stars. It's more than that. It's a universe capable of creating sufficient ordered complexity. Which includes larger structures like galaxies and furthermore things like life.

The only thing worthy of being called "God" is the totality of the infinite multiverse as a whole.

This is maybe the best explanations of WHY we’re here I’ve heard. But I have 1 doubt, Hawking radiation. If black holes have a finite life time as they radiate over time or ‘die’ then does this not mean that the offspring, who have evolved to build more offspring are dependent on the parent offspring to remain or survive then the evolution is redundant? Also, how does or should this evolution remain if it is tied to the host? Hope for some discussion… bring it on and I hope you make me look a fool.

Imagine that, our universe is the offspring of a process of new universes over 200 million generations, that is an impossible amount of time to comprehend. And here you are, with your conscious brain, experiencing this magical display for a fleeting moment, before you, me and everything we know will be lost forever, and replaced for eternity

Surprisingly magnetic poles can impact on the health of plants as shown in a video on Theoria Apophasis. Sprouts concentrate and form a dense shape when facing North pole and get rotten faster, while sprouts form loosely and look healthy when facing South pole. It also reminds me why the Artica concentrates the dirt and forms land but Antarctica doesn't.

This is beautiful. I am changed.

The black hole is like a torus where North field superimpose on South field to create circles of waves in 2 opposite directions. These circles can forever spiral around in the fashion of a snail shell going in and out of black hole indefinitely without meeting their beginning point. Because of wave property, different ranges of these field forces will create different discreet size of black hole; the diameter of black hole must be in a particular length to achieve the balance. Even within the black circle of a black hole, the poles constantly wobbles around to achieve the balance as a spinning wheel.

"I'm just human" good one Lex!

Things are only stable in alliance positions with each other where they have the balance of North field and South field. The rim of black hole has dimmer regions next to brighter regions, reflecting property of waves in 2 opposite directions. When light moves away from our position, it shifts to red and becomes dimmer. When light moves toward our position, it shifts to blue and become brighter. Because light going in and out on the torus in circular motion and in wavy patterns, it creates a dimmer region next to a brighter region. Depending on the speed of the wheel of black hole, the torus shape of black hole can have a simple structure of a brighter region and a dimmee region or a more complex structure of multiple brighter regions and multiple dimmers regions

Wow! Just wow!

I remember I came to this idea by myself considering the universe inflation that incrasing distance to and from anything its like a ballon under water pressure able to self-blowup getting air from water where only air and relative pressure inside is incrasing cause underwater pressure.....where in this example the events horizon ballon's surface/material and gravity and mass are his air and his pressure...very hard to elaborate an example for this stuff

Because matter must be in the field of the torus, things are on 2 dimension plains and these plains can have have different size and shape depending on field-field interactions. On these plains, light creates circular lines. Imagine we cut the donut of black hole with a knife going through the center. The circles of light on the donut create dots as particles when light meets a perpendicular knife. But light creates wavy indentation marks on the table parallel to the the donut ring.

As a hypotheses it will only bear fruit if we find out that we're heavily incentivized to create black holes. We're not going to do it just because it might create universes elsewhere. We'll do it, at scale, if there is some massive benefit to doing it. So if he's right then that massive benefit is what we should look for. My guess would be black holes are somehow needed for energy or for the fields needed for long distance FTL travel.

In simple terms here: We cannot come up with a unified theory because according to the calculations gravity should be much much stronger in order to fit into the equation but when we measure gravity it is the weakest force out of all the forces (strong nuclear force etc.). Therefore we have to believe in other universe, because it is possible that our gravity is somehow leaking into another universe

We can make it bigger, stronger, faster. It’s the 6 million dollar universe

I have had this idea too, that black holes make new universes. However, if that's the case and if our universe is therefore from a black hole, then would we not be gaining mass as the universe on the other side of our black hole parent captures matter from the universe it orginated in?

I've been thinking this since I was a kid, the universe exploded from a singularity (a point of infinite mass), black holes contain a singularity of infinite mass..... er OK so it can spawn a new universe? Usually whilst I was tramping through the fields slaying goblins and dragons with my sword.... attacking nettles, old logs and giant hogweed with a stick. Happy days, and yes this was obviously many years before the internet/mobile phones and we had to go play outside and cultivate our imagination.

So if universes are the product or offspring of a parent universe via black holes, then how did the first universe come into existence?

Policy network -> value

Nature is neither the limit nor the catalyst of our progress. Nature is more like the canvas we live on.

IDK I think it's wrong. I think the BH must contain all the matter and energy of the universe it creates. So a core collapse BH is 3 to 80 solar masses, that's a pretty small lousy universe and even worse if mankind starts making 100kg mass BHs.

This theory makes perfect sense

Mind blown...know matter what your beliefs are...it lends it's self to everything

AWESOME

I imagine black hole is the center of magnetism. Magnetism we call on micro-level is the same as gravity on macro-level. Imagine we create a sphere of universe with 3 circles perpendicular to each other for us to map things inside the sphere; any point can be identified by a radius vector on this sphere. Magnetic field circles on 1st plain. Electric field circles on 2nd plain. The field of light/photons/optic is on 3rd plain. Any point can become the center of itself with these 3 circles of fields. When it moves in a bigger sphere, its fields interact with bigger fields to create itself stable in a particular space with a unique shape. Things have dipole properties and are only stable in balanced forces of their interaction fields. When we stand in a position abd look at a thing, we see the thing spins either clockwise or counterclockwise which creates itself property of magnetism pole, North or South. However, North pole or South pole has the same mechanism, we call them different name bc of our viewpoint. If we stand on top of the North pole looking down vs. standing on the South pole looking down, both of them circle in one direction bc. they are matters. Maybe antimatter circles in an opposite direction to create dark fields interacting with the fields of magnetism, electric and optic and creating forever changing waves in the universe.

the bridge between dimensions is the way that time is rotating. black holes must change that 4th axis of rotation.

One night on acid, as I looked up to the stars I realised how it was all connected. But like waking from a dream, revelations evaporated.

Assuming black holes do indeed produce universes and advanced civilizations have the capabilities and motives to produce black holes, I wonder how much more efficient they'll be if they settle in generating micro black holes in particle colliders instead of collapsing 10kg chunks of asteroid or waste material.

there's no selection pressure in this formulation so it's doesn't fit. the most you could say is that it's unsurprising that we live in a universe full of stars because universes full of stars birth more universes so the proportion of star heavy universes is close to 1

But what would be the motivation of an intelligent species to spend resources on manufacturing trillions of black holes?

What fascinating ideas! I was raised around Catholic and Muslim traditions, loosely, and at an early age saw religion as a power grab over the superstitious (to simplify it). I took science as gospel instead, but the idea of the "big bang" never sat right. No more than the magical ideas of Christianity, really. All matter condensed to a point, which exploded for some reason, and yeah a few years later here we are. Science. It's always amazing to me that we can say that with a straight face and act like it just makes a whole bunch of sense. Walking on water? Insane! An unimaginably dense pinhead exploding and forever expanding leading to taxes and reality TV? Now that I'll buy. But the idea of a black hole initiated multiverse... I really love these talks. Lex is really killing it right now.

I love my community and I care for him for the rest of my life

H.P Lovecraft came up that story first. Great idea and super fun.

"Allows for the univers to know itself". My Minbari geek meter just went off.🤓

The craziest part is that they said our purpose is to create more universes

I'm listening on 2x speed....I'll let you know what I learn when the universe ends.

Is there a critical mass point that would initiate a new big bang? Are only super massive black holes involved, and only when they have taken in a certain amount of mass and energy?

Makes sense to me

I once came up with an idea to create eco islands. Since this moment nature seems to communicating with me. It's like the universe knows I'm working on something very important so it's helping me reach a position of political power to implement eco islands. My journey has led me to create an idea of a UBI of US$1000 per moon cycle, where Joseph Biden and America create an economic power called G's R Us.

I’m curious what he hypothesizes what occurs in those “universes” when black holes merge?

But how does matter propagate into offspring universes? I would intuit (and I'm probably wrong) that the matter that falls into the event horizon would be somehow expelled in the offspring universe via its big-bang, and if that's true, then 1. how can there be an entire universe spawned from 10kg worth of material? and 2. what about matter that falls into the event horizon of a black hole after its initial formation? also what about hawking radiation of the parent black hole? does that have some sort of bearing on the laws of the child black hole? this is a very captivating theory.

So where did the first universe come from? What was before it? Where did the immense energy come from?

Man, I thought this when I could barely think.

The real question is what type of void was the singlearity in. If it's a vast void of nothingness multiple bangs could accure

Dan Winter! Dan Winter! Dan Winter! Lex look into his RU-vid channel hes a brilliant electrical engineer that understands physics like none other.

Gravitational waves… so are those subject to classical wave mechanics like constructive and destructive interference?

Our civilization is just one of a very large count of recursive loop. A black hole runs the program and makes the first call to the recursive function of cosmological intelligence and provides initial energy to sustain the loop which runs indefinitely until all energy has left the hole.

I have a question. Maybe someone here can answer it for me, I want to understand. He says all it takes is 10kg pushed down into a singularity to create a blackhole that is likely to expand into its own universe. Does he mean that many of the black holes in our universe one day are going to expand and create a new universe, destroying ours in the process ? Or does he mean that each of the black holes in our universe, create their own universe inwards if that makes any sense... Like all of the black holes are big bangs for universe in space parallel but not accessible to our own. I hope I asked clearly and someone can help me understand properly.

Gravity isn’t a force from a conventional particle perspective, and it isn’t weak nor is it strong. Gravity can increase in strength depending on the size of the mass causing a warp in space. An extream example would be a black holes singularity gravity being more stronger then the strong nuclear forces and light which is electricmagnism can not escape a black hole’s gravity once it crosses into a certian region. Gravity can absolutely create singularities that lead to other parallel universes cause a black holes singularity become’s infinite were the laws of physics break down, which means at that point the infinite gravity of a black hole becomes the strongest force in the universe. It becomes stronger then strong & weak nuclear forces including electromagnitism.

I thought the interstellar idea was pretty good. Portals to other dimensions. Probably not true, but I like the idea.

Our visitors insist that all of the light (their word for both energy and matter) is information, is intelligent and alive, but at a scale that we won't comprehend during our time locked into physical bodies. This universe isn't the first and won't be the last but the sum of the learning that sentient beings can aquire here will inform the intelligence that forms the next iteration.

Jeffery shainline is like if Michael Rapport went into physics.

Wouldn’t you still see stuff falling into the hole? Or is our universe connected to a dead or dormant black hole? All this stuff seems a little heavy on speculation

So to go faster than light like with Warps we need physics books to fall into someone else black hole (our universe)

So, what happens to the unique local physics of a black hole universe, when black holes merge?? Does the smaller black hole wake-up inside the universe of the consuming black hole? Are their differing physics properties averaged out and cause a change in the localized properties of physics in the resulting merged local universe?? Does explosive Sodium and poisonous Chlorine combine to make deliciously salty?

A black hole could open a hole in spacetime to another universe.