Black Mirror USS Callister: Goodbye, Toxic Fanboy 

Inside No.9 is has some nice twists, thought it was this channel that suggested it but well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

I love this channel. I support the Patreon every month. Would love to see you guys do Pretty Little Liars. Thanks for doing this episode. It really is a fantastic breakdown.

Wait if hes only mean to ai(that somehow doesnt reset) how does does that make him a toxic fanboy? Itd make sense if he was taking it out on the community of fans, also lumping in sexual privilege, idk too many different ideas trying to fit together.

Hey still watching! (Even when it's black mirror) 😂😂

Mostly correct It also bring up a lot of the morality questions of A.I. in the comparison to our own morality

Lauren Bennett plus the removal of the sexual organs shows how he doesn't understand the real life mechanics of sex. He only sees the kissing and assumes that's what his power affords him without realising what meanings are behind it and how intrusive it can be

Chloe Grindey I think he understands it he just doesn't like it.. The show was critical of the concept of a god and heaven imo, the crew are dammed to live forever worshiping an all powerful being who tells you what's good and what isn't... The whole "nerd culture" was just the vehicle used to tell the story.

Kirk was a feminist, the original series was created by liberals/ feminists and the kirk popular culture is not in line with his actual character & was created by the "nice guy" male nerd escapists, also note the time period it was written in making the series fair for it's day

@@theLadyScribe Wrong. Kirk was created by misognyists

@Robert's workz soo.. do you think they wore miniskirts for no reason?

I mean, that's basically the same as real life

Well it ends in a happy tune. They go off exploring with each other and the troll just keeps talking to himself unaware that nobody's listening.

At least it was Aaron Paul amirite?

Rachie And The Waves well after what they went through I'm sure a "troll" was nothing they couldn't handle..

Logitah fuck the crew they should’ve died

HOLY HELL YOU'RE RIGHT

Yeah I was thinking a similar thing. Like Westworld it really calls into question whether or not it is ok to do terrible things in video games. I know people who play games like GTA for the express purpose of being able to without consequence torture NPCs and essentially role play as a serial killer. In what context is and isn't that ok? Can people with these sorts of urges seek out a safe outlet or are they required to deny themselves and figure out a way to somehow not have them?

And we're just meat. So what? The show has made it clear that the code people in episodes such as this one are real people just like the robots in Westworld are real people.

Vanessa Martinez that's sort of what I was getting at😂 I agree. The show is really making the case that ai are real and deserving of rights. It's such an interesting idea

Brandon Letkeman totally! It's so interesting and cool! Like as ai technology gets better and better, how do we remain morally sound? At what point do we treat ai like people? The black museum episode was really interesting this way too.

I agree, I can't recall the episode but I seem to remember more evidence that she initially had a romantic interest him. The scene where she denies it comes off as a little insincere and embarrassed, which adds irony to the story. If he had just gone out of his way to be genuinely nice instead of nice by hiding his contempt for everyone, he could have broke out in real life.

I didn't see any evidence that he was sexually interested in anyone. His interest appeared to be based on dominance hierarchy - he didn't want to be loved. He wanted to be feared.

@@jonjo2598 The kisses from the female characters were expressions of sexual interest. He was sexually immature though, which is why he didn't go any further than that. After all, if he had had no sexual interest, Nanette's performance in the lake wouldn't have worked.

Logitah "Stealing my pu**y is a red f*cking line!" is probably the best line in Black Mirror history.

Adam Vanhoutan Indeed! It's funny as it is and even funnier without context. :D

But i do agree with everything else said in the video! :)

Yeah, I just thought they were being campy for the sake of it, to mimic the original show.

@Todd Lynch Yeah god forbid people see Robert as a human being with needs and feelings. I hope you realize that was sarcasm.

@@alexman378 Idk if it was intended or not, but as a fan of original star trek I was super skeptical of our ''protagonist'' right during that scene. As silly some of the things were, Star Trek was kinda revolutionary for its time for giving women important roles in the ship and interracial relationships for a TV show. So I immediately saw it as a huge bastardation of the originals intent and made me uncomfortable. The moment I saw him get into the building presumably the next day (recognizing the receptionist woman and seeing his office), my reaction was: oh so hes an ahole, ok, that makes sense.

@@BambiLena666 very quick of you. bravo.

Yes! Now You See It has a really good video about milk in film lol.. I recommend it

Oh, and I noticed Daly’s uniform actually resembles Peter Quill’s/Starlord’s from Guardians of the Galaxy, who’s also an immature man child (albeit with better character development that actually helps him turn away from his toxic tendencies rather than lean into them like Daly).

hum, the CEO guy also undergoes body harm in the course of the episode, (he's burnt, and presumably doesn't reapear in the ship, is deleated) and his shirt is blue. Otherwise, you are right. I really like the fact that the game is sexless, as a way to say: even if it's not sexually rapey, we can make it more horryfying than you'd ever imagine. In fact, the fact that it's PG will make it somehow worse.

The difference is that Quill's immaturity is (for the most part) endearing, Daly's is just childish.

I second Lauren's recommendation as it was exactly what I was thinking of when seeing Robert is drinking the milk. It's initially an indicator of his childishness in an empathetic way, but quickly becomes a perversion of the innocence that milk implies in a lot of film moments, symbolically speaking.

... but that's not the reason he brings her to the USS Callister. It doesn't even make sense as a plausible reason: Robert doesn't have sex or include genitals in his world. At most -- at most -- he wants to larp with and kiss her. I think people are super-imposing certain political narratives onto this episode...

The fact that he overheard her denying sexual interest in him in the real world is absolutely the reason he “uploads her” into his VR world. It’s explicitly stated that everyone there is there purely as punishment for things their real-world counterparts did(n’t) do. Daley is getting along incredibly well with Nanette...right up until he eavesdrops on that conversation - watching his smile fade as he listens should tell you all you need to know. He doesn’t even attempt to talk to her in the real world after he’s got her DNA. The sexlessness nature of his VR world serves to highlight his hypocrisy and emotional immaturity. At one point in the episode, he espouses the “Space Fleet code” even as he’s trampling all over it with regards to his treatment of the others. He expects a tame “60s”-style sexual reward in the form of kissing from all the available women in his world after each successful “mission” but refuses to truly admit the inherently sexual nature of that reward. Daley isn’t asexual - if he were, Nanette’s “sexy female” routine by the lake would have done absolutely nothing. He was just too repressed to know how to express his desires in a healthy way, both within the game and in his real life.

@@Larknok1 You have to remember that he's emotionally stunted and has a victim complex. Nanette rejecting him to the co-worker angered him and he took it personally. Even though she never did or said anything inappropriate. She never made any advances but Robert was so desperate that he assumed any attention was sexual. In his eyes he was punishing her for something she didn't do wrong

Lord Reyne of Castemere they also had Aaron Paul ay the end and Aaron is said to be in the next west world season. AND not to mention Aaron and the main character of this episode are also in breaking bad. :)

I second thaaat!!!

Yeah!!

@@TheDecentDescent you looking for a crescent wrench or somethin

TheSuperNats really?? They didn't even mention the theological questions that were brought up in the episode, primarily being "would heaven really be good" ??

Bored Nerd and yet liberals do that all the time. Go look up news stories where thugs commit crimes, and libtards dismiss his actions because they are poor, have no resources, etc.

@@Bell_Matt Being poor and having no resources is different to a girl not liking you and someone bring you the wrong sandwich. There are levels of 'victimhood'. I agree that if someone commits a crime they should be punished, but like Jean Valjean in Les Miserables who was put in prison over stealing bread for his starving family, if society has pushed you into comitting crimes to survive, then that should be analysed and fixed, otherwise it's a problem that will keep happening.

@@lettylunasical4766 Spot on!

@@lettylunasical4766 "Being poor and having no resources is different to a girl not liking you and someone bring you the wrong sandwich. " What a superficial analysis.

For real

Other analyses you read focused *again* on sentient code because this episode brought that theme up *again*. You are right, USS Callister is more about nerd behaviour and sexist plots, but imho those are not Black Mirror linked topics. I found this episode mildly funny but completely out of tone with the series, not thought provoking, and using a technological twist already analyzed (and far better) in White Christmas. In addition to this, using DNA to create a digital double with the memory of things happened the same morning is a trick that could work in a Disney cartoon, not here.

I thought the tone was meant to be discordant with typical Black Mirror episodes because, unlike the majority of episodes, most of the narrative takes place in a utopia such as with San Junipero. But the difference is that USS Callister is only a utopia for Daly and of course the catch is that he ends up murdered by his own toxic, self-serving creation. Again, similar to San Junipero. The obvious difference being that the death is consensual in San Junipero (I'm sure I'm mispelling this title sorry) but not in USS Callister, which is a fitting contrast given the sexist tropes this episode confronts.

@@electricbluetiramisu3713 Regarding his creation only being a utopia for Daly, who else should it be a utopia for as he is the only person in the creation? I get a bit put off with how toxic gets tossed around a lot - I guess in this case as an excuse to write off and justify killing mentally ill people like Daly. We don't usually approve of such things. Daly is a weak emotionally stunted and desocialized man who grew from a weak emotionally stunted and desocialized bullied kid (at least that part seems clear to me who had to struggle through the consequences of being desocialized as a kid). The damage this has done to him over the years leaves him unable to properly relate to other people and to retreat into a world of his own creation - and trying to hide his weakness and inability to model basic masculine traits behind the total control he gives himself in the game to give himself the illusion of power and superiority.

Yessssss

Rob W for some reason people don’t like metal head but amazing and intense!

I wasn't a huge fan of metalhead and I can explain why. I thought it was a super compelling narrative and it was thoroughly intense. But it didn't feel like it belonged in the Black Mirror anthology. It had no commentary and no explanation. There was not as much for me to chew on intellectually afterwards. Though it was a fun watch, I thought it was a poor Black Mirror episode. But I like to have my mind changed! Tell me why you liked it!

I can understand why people didn't like Metalhead as it wasn't typical Black Mirror, but I actually enjoyed it. It was so tense and disturbing, it left me wanting to know more about the world. All that death and destruction over a teddy bear for a sick kid :(

wow you liked the worst two episodes of the entire series

I want a series BADLY!

I said the exact same thing

Mr Sci-Fi said in his review that he had heard talk that this had already been greenlit to be spun off into a series.

Species1571: That would be really neat.. We would all be waiting for Khan Noonian Plemmons to turn up and F sh*t up for the valiant crew of the Callister....

She is still groundbreaking; she didn't have to wear a short skirt to do that though. That's the point of this video.

Yes is spelled with an E, you troglodyte.

This episode is the best of this season, but this was the worst season by far

Yesss!!!! I would especially love one on Cook. He's one of my all time favourite characters from anything I've watched.

It's not underrated... it's just old

I guess it depends on the perspective of your country and where and how was it aired I lived on a small town in Mexico, where we don't get that much European influence in TV or films and not a single one of my close friends has seen the show, so maybe I get the idea it is underrated Then... Only the two first seasons were aired on MTV Latin America... You know, the place where you expect to find Music related TV And, in all honesty, old or not, I NEED a deeper analysis on Tony's Centric episode of the second season, the tattoo, the mystery girl, he went back to the same club, the evolution of Tony as a whole

So what the hell are you? The Alpha or the beta?

wolves don't actually have alpha and betas, humans neither, so she/he's neither :)

Superman He’s a dumbass

@@maximeteppe7627 Um...yes they do.

@@c.s.70 They do, in captivity. It doesn't seem to work the same way in the wild.

He had to die, or he'd just gone back to torturing digital versions of the people around him. He deserved everything he got.

Maksie0 He didn't deserve to die in the end in my opinion

Maksie0 No one deserves to die. What people do may be infuriating and horribly cruel, but we all deserve love.

sifat shams Chris Stuckman has a nice review of Unbreakable if you want to check it out :)

Yeah, I saw that 2 years ago. But that was a review, I want an analysis.

sifat shams Agreed. Just meant he showed it some love is all

How dare you defile the quality works of both Black Mirror and Screen Prism by mentioning the steaming garbage pile that is BBT in relation to them. For shame!

azdgariarada tbbt is full of such Masculine toxicity and we still love those characters, this shows its true colors

S R i’m just curious, what masculine toxicities are you referring to in the big bang theory?

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CaptAssassin blatant misogynistic behavior for starters.

How do you put effort in

It's a modern day Outer Limits or Twilight Zone type show available on Netflix, with each episode telling a different self contained scifi story (mostly) unrelated to the others. Most of the time they have severely dark or disturbing endings, so be prepared for that going in, especially if you start with the very first episode of season one. That's often the hardest one for people to deal with, but it's also the least like the rest of the series if you ask me. Personally I'd recommend starting with the episode "15 Million Merits".

What a way to spoil a show. Good lord

azdgariarada ..... My comment wasn't directed towards you. It was for the OP. Who watched this video without seeing the actual show..... 🖕🏿

In other words, gamers.

@JohnnyTheMan98 you must have an easy life or be so useless to subscribe to a channel about something you disagree with just to actively leave hate comments. Doesn't surprise me. Is a typic behaviour of your type.

@@kiriki4558 You sound just as hateful as whoever you’re criticising to me

There is no reason to believe that Nanette caused him to risk staying online in update time. So either the company will get a bad reputation for having bad safety controls or if Robert changed his version of the game to override these protocals it will be declared a suicide. Which in technical sense it was.

her DNA and fingerprints will be at the scene, on his desk, a pair of the buds, her phone will likely show her calling the pizza company. So the assumption could easily be made she killed. If a product kills its Chief Technical Officer its going to be banned, almost as fast as it goes bankrupt.

Yeah me too everyone is always calling then Screenprism and I’m like “where have I been all this time”

The Last Gen Console Gamer yeah I can stretch my imagination to futuristic science explains the DNA thing, but Cole not worry ING about her other self being convicted for murder seems like a total plot hole.

copying dna does not really copy one to another with memories and other attributes. It copies appearances not soul and what not. I could understand if robert daly copied the head piece of others to make into virtual character that he can play or torture.. I think the writers didn't really gave a deep thought on this story. It did made sense and I could see why the storyline had to go. I didn't really think that the ending was happy as anyone says. A lot of online games would shutting down their server within few months. Without their CTO some games don't last.

Souls? What’s a soul? Lol! You mean the personalities people develop through their environments?

The whole DNA thing just felt like lazy writing. It doesn't make any scientific sense, not even in a future scifi setting, but as far as the show is concerned, they were certainly meant to be 100% identical virtual copies of that person, not just Sims character inspired by those people. As for the episode itself, I feel Daly's character was criminally underdeveloped, he turned into a very generic bad guy rather fast and none of his motivation for putting people in the simulation made much sense outside of Walton. It's also not clear what he wanted to get out of the simulation to begin with. If we just wants to LARP, I am sure he could find people actually interested in it (or just use AI bots), reusing your unwilling coworkers feels like a terrible choice. If he wants to torture people, a fun little StarTrek knock-off doesn't sound all that tortuous to begin with. Also worth keeping in mind that the "happy ending" changes very little for the characters, they got rid of Daly, but they are still in a StarTrek simulation, something they could have had simply by cooperating with Daly. And simulation story aside, the way Cole reacted and ended up (unintentionally) murdering Daly, all just to avoid the release of some pretty mundale nude photos also doesn't reflect all that well on her character. Overall the episode was a fun spin on Charlie X and other similar Star Trek episodes, but as a social commentary I found it to be drastically underdeveloped.

IMO the episode was going through copying there soul as in all of the characteristic of its being. I could understand the modeling of its person by duplicating dna data.

Jason Gallegos Ikr? People see everything as sexism these days.

I totally agree. The image of her at the end smiling and bossing around the crew foreshadows than authoritarian tendencies may develop in her as well. They are still stuck in the "cloud" and are likely to trust her blindly.

Excellent interpretation,

David Galán Creepy :S

There are definitely such toxic fanboys out there in the real world, and a big red flag is that they identify with guys like this.

Ádám Varga what does that have to do with ANYTHING that I said at all

Think harder.

Why not? We've all been there. We like the underdog to succeed, not the bullies so your crap point is?