edtradernet.weebly.com/ Edtrader's Black Sabbath & Family - Archives presents this original documentary on the time surrounding the Technical Ecstasy album.
I love "Technical Ecstacy" and "Never Say Die". Of course the earlier albums were heavier and better but these two later 70's albums were both very good to me too.
All Moving Parts....great track and Gypsy I still enjoy this album in fact more than some of the classics, maybe because this album still has surprises. Then again I love Born Again despite the poor production so what do i know!!!!
Not only fine but both are absolutely wonderful albums. I do understand the band might have bad memories about it because all the turmoil at the time but the critics, music magazines and some public have it all wrong. I think is more like group mentality.
So do I. T. E. was one I played the hell out of at the time. Recently I revisited it . After 1 or 2 full listens I warmed back up to it. THen I had to hear bits and pieces everytime I sat down for weeks. ALL MOVING PARTS STAND STILL. Backstreet kids. GYPSY are really cool. As for N.S.D. it happen s to contain one of my all time favorites. SHOCKWAVE . Even enjoy SWINGIN THE CHAIN . THe only com.plaint are some of the solos sound like demo tracks. They could have been mixed with a little more sizzle in the production.
I like them both. All moving parts has one of the best riffs in the mid section Tony ever played down in my opinion.! And Jhonny Blade is just KILLER.!! Some filler on both. But the good tunes covers that up. I enjoy both. SABBATH fan 4ever..
oh yeah, gotta love that song, air dance. there are a LOT of sabbath songs that i like though, they never made a bad album until 13. then they decided to stop unfortunatly. most of them are still around and capable of making music tho so you never really know. maybe they will get back with tony martin and make an album or go touring, who knows? that would be great, i think
Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die are absolute masterpieces! I don’t think there would so much debate about them if they were from another band not Sabbath. They are so creative and yes sound different and very diverse. But they are genius. Every single song has something special. Love them as much as any other early Sabbath albums. I don’t even care whether the band members like them or not. Too much personal emotions going on that we, the luck listeners, don’t need to know about. Let the music speak for itself and to me those two albums are brilliant.
Never Say Die was a brilliant album with almost a Jazz - Metal style which I found original and stimulating. The band themselves have a downer on it through association because it was created at the time the band were splitting up.
Enjoy listening to Technical ecstasy and really enjoy Never say die. Never say die the better of the two with more solid tracks. Never understand why there is so much hate for them both.
It's because they don't have the same fire power of the previous six, they were experimenting here and tweaking the traditional sound they were known for.
@@husq48 And on a lot of drugs also 😂. From things I've watched and read, Tony stated that Ozzy wasn't able to sing during albums because of this, which is why Bill ward performs a few songs on the two albums.
What I never understood was why Sabotage did not sell as well as the previous five did, just as strong as those were and the same basic style/sound. My only guess would be that the landscape of the scene was changing and Sabbath simply weren't in vogue at the time.
The band splitting up ended up being a huge win for everybody. Ozzy went on to meet Randy and give us magic. Sabbath found Ronnie, got re-invigorated and released two fantastic albums and we as an audience got those instead of more tired, drug addled burnout records from a band that was basically over.
I understand some fans being put off by TE's sound, but I think Tony's playing is fantasic on this album, probably his best leead playing up to this point.
I don't know how anyone can say 'Never Say Die' is a forgettable album if they've ever listened to it even once. The title track is great. Johnny Blade, Junior's Eyes? There's some heavy stuff in there. As with every album, I like some songs more than others. But overall, I like it. 'Do you know that Johnny's a Spider? And his web is the city at night' - love the riff in that part of Johnny Blade.
I was obsessed with Sabotage. SBS and Master too, but Sabotage was my album. Then when Technical Ecstasy came out, other than Dirty Women, which is a great track, especially live, I just couldn’t stand it. They lost the script after Sabotage. Never Say Die was part two. There are some decent songs, but overall you could tell Sabbath were struggling mightily. Then the tour. OMG. I saw Van Halen finish that line up of Sabbath. Wow. It was a thrashing.
i thought this documentary is about Technical Ecstasy and not Never Say Die. Technical Ecstasy in my opinion is one of the greatest Sabbaths albums. Yes it is different but it shows progression of the band, great musicianship, songwriting and amazing production. It is timeless. It sounds as good now as it ever did.
I remember an interview with Tony in the 80z and he said about Technical Ecstasy that it was rubbish " Total Junk" is what he said...I personally dug it, granted I found it in the "Shunned Bin" for a dollar. On 8track. In 83'😂 Even Never Say Die wasn't completely awful. To me anyway. Love Sabbath
The only band that I could listen to all day every day is the original albums with Ozzy, not taking anything from sabbath with Dio, they are great also, but in 64yrs old, so for me it's Black Sabbath with Ozzy, they flipped my whole life upside down, I was listening to am radio pop music till my brother put it on the turntable and BANG!.
TECHNICAL ECSTASY and NEVER SAY DIE....are both masterpieces, considering all the pressures and drugs they were doing.... unique, unusual songs, YOU WONT CHANGE ME - ITS ALRIGHT - JUNIOR'S EYES - AIR DANCE - HARD ROAD - OVER TO YOU.... I listen to these 2, way, way more than.... 'the best rainbow album rainbow never made' - (HEAVEN AND HELL) ....and MOB RULES....
@@richardhincemonI'm interested in this take. Dont want to argue at all. I thought Patient #9 was one of Ozzy's best albums ever. I listen to it as much as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage and more than Vol. 4. I know this because those 4 albums have been most of my listening for the past week lol. I thought the Clapton track was the weakest but I'm not a huge Clapton fan anyway and I think Jesus was a pretty cool guy lol. I may not have heard the whole album depending on how well they hid the so called bad tracks.
I think it's good that they went for a rock and roll record with mixed results instead of doing "Sabotage part 2" or "Master of Reality part 2." I understand the fans and bands criticism of it. for me it was the next logical step even if it was a misstep here and there. (and their careers--Tony, Ozzy, Geezer, Bill went strong-- together or apart-- for near another 50 years so it wasn't exactly a death sentence!)
@@EdwardBaggettEdtrader "For Those About To Rock..." when I was 8 years old in 1981 was not exactly a bad follow-up! "COD--Care Of The Devil"!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IGProeZThj0.html
Musically , I think those albums are great ( although the last couple of tracks of Never Say Die very much suggest the end of an era ) . If Rock 'n' Roll Doctor ( or even Back Street Kids ) had been a hit single in the states then none of this would be an issue . They all loved Technical Ecstasy when it was released ... I first saw them live in '78 at Newcastle City Hall with Van Halen opening up . Both bands were absolutely tremendous ( one of the best gigs I've ever attended ) ... I find it a bit tedious listening to rich middle aged icons complaining about how awful it was making albums in Miami amongst all of those recreational distractions ( which they obviously enjoyed , even back in their earlier "classic" era ) . Hey Ho , It's a shit business ! ... By the end of 1980 Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz had been really well received as had Sabbath's Heaven and Hell with Dio ( both outfits again delivering great live shows in Newcastle UK ) .
I think “Sabotage” was an incredible album. “Technical Ecstasy” was not a great follow up album, but I think “Never Say Die” had two incredible songs: “Hard Road” and “Over To You”
Time has been kind to Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die. There are some fine moments on both those albums. Yes, they are not as good as the early stuff. Under the conditions of management problems and drugs they struggled to keep it going. Ozzy needed to break away and what Sabbath needed a new singer. Both went to new heights after the breakup.
I don't see anything bad about Technical Ecstasy. I like Back Street Kids & Dirty Women - those are really outstanding songs, with a rich, engaging character. Although, I have not been a life-long fan of Black Sabbath, and I am probably speaking from a distant point of view; but overall, I like the album, Sabotage the best. Maybe I am coming from the point of view of someone who enjoys progressive rock. I like it when songs have a unique sound, different from the typical rock & roll, and songs that keep a strong groove. (Since everybody has different tastes, I tried to describe why I like these songs.)
I just listened to Technical Ecstasy from beginning to end on RU-vid the other day. I can give a fair, honest, truthful, & well informed opinion on it based on actually having listened to it myself instead of relying on second hand opinions of it by other people. TE isn't bad, it isn't as terrible as a lot of people think. Back Street Kids, It's Alright, Rock N Roll Doctor, & Dirty Women are all standout tracks, but as a whole, the album still doesn't quite measure up to their past albums. It's too inconsistent and uneven for my tastes. It's slightly above average but still better than Never Say Die. I've also heard the latter album in its entirety and it really was the beginning of the end for the Mark 1 70s lineup.
Part of that is the outside of the band activities. Mostly their management and them were in the middle of legal actions. That and their drug use went from "Hey let's have fun" to each member off alone and doing it just to stay straight.
As a Sabbath follower right from the beginning of course Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die didnt quite satisy me needs. But I do think that "Hard Road" and in particular "Swingning The Chain" (with Bill Ward vocals!) from their last album (I dont consider "13" to be Black Sabbath as Bill Ward was excluded) are underrated.
far better albums than the DIO bollocks, about 'neon knights' and 'children of the sea'.... DIO's a good vocalist but his dungeons and dragons bullshit didn't fit sabbath.... the only TRUE album after OZZY is BORN AGAIN until 13 came along....
@@volpeverde6441 Lyrics aside, it's the music on the 2 Dio albums that is far superior to Ozzy's last 2. Then add Ozzy's first 2 solo albums and Technical and Never are easily forgotten.
@John G. right....the music.... HEAVEN AND HELL is the best album RAINBOW NEVER made.... it's nowhere near heavy enough for sabbath.... (apart from DIE YOUNG....) MOB RULES is a nastier sounding affair, but sabbath are running on fumes.... TURN UP THE NIGHT is NEON KNIGHTS again.... THE SIGN OF SOUTHERN CROSS is HEAVEN AND HELL again....VOODOO is ALL MOVING PARTS (STAND STILL) again.... more like a good DIO album.... I'll stick with TECHNICAL ECSTASY and NEVER SAY DIE because they are very different.... BACK STREET KIDS/GYPSY/JOHNNY BLADE/JUNIOR'S EYES/AIR DANCE....are some of the BEST sabbath songs written....
You can't hoover that much sherbet up your nose and expect the creative muse to remain intact. Faithful to the cover art, TE does sound in places like Daleks mating in a flophouse. That said, 'Rock 'n' Roll Doctor' is kinda cool and 'Gypsy' starts like Cozy Powell's 'Dance With the Devil' (which ain't a bad thing) The best album Spinal Tap never made. 'Never Say Die' is probably more than deserving of the response 'RIP' but does at least have three good tracks: "It's a Hard Road' 'Junior's Eyes' and the toe tappin' head boppin' single 'Never Say Die' y'all.
Only listen to the original mix/master versions of their albums, especially Tech Ecs, it's so punchy and beefy, my comfort album. The problem, I believe, is in the track order, it makes no sense. I restructured it, and just that would've made a big difference: Side 1 - Back Street Kids All Moving Parts (Stand Still) She's Gone Dirty Women Side 2 - Rock 'n' Roll Doctor Gypsy You Won't Change Me It's Alright
Music is such a personal and subjective experience for those like myself that become totally immersed in it. So how is it that music writers/journalists/critics etc.. almost always trot out the same narrative? LIke the accepted take on Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die being garbage by a defeated drugged out band. I get that it was a hard time for them for a myriad of reasons, but lets not forget that the drugs are not always an obstacle to making great records. Relationships are a different story. There we logical understable reasons for them experimenting with their sounds and even songwriting that are outside the scope of a reasonable length comment. I see both these albums as flawed genius. I love these records because they bring out aspects of their songwriting and multidimensional musicianship that almost no other heavy rock band could equal in terms of scope and conviction. The main flaw of these albums , if one wants to really be honest and in context of the times, is that Sabbath's classic output was too heavy and outside the mainstream for most, and by 1976-78 the ever-fickle music trends had not place for any version of Sabbath to comfortably occupy as far as label support was concerned and it was just not a fashionable and popular time to be black Sabbath. Sometimes life is cruel that way, but they are brave, unique and often fantastic albums in their own right. Make up your own minds - do not believe the common narrative about these records. They are different but also great for very different reasons in my opinion. I play NSD frequently to this day.
Ozzy's entitled to his opinion, but Never Say Die was an excellent Sabbath Album. It wasn't as odd as Tech Excstacy..Jrs Eyes is one of their best songs ever..Johnny Blade. Just like Glenn Hughes Hates Seventh Star...wrong Dude...its awesome even if u were strung out! Bill is sooo underrated. Geezer is top 5 Bass players of all time ( Jack Bruce, Geezer, John Paul Jones, Gaddy, Jaco.Tony the greatest Riff Master ever ..matt
I dig "Seventh Star" nobody else did. I bought it less than a year old for 2.99 in the "Shunned Bin"; got alot of others from there, "Technical Ecstasy" as well.
Seventh Star is an ass kicking Modern sounding Sabbath Album...BORN again and Duhamanizer too..They never got stale and always kept their sound modern.. matt
i think many of the "i love TE /NSD" commenters would have to admit there was a falloff after sabotage- Their first 6 albums are all "bangers" as the kids say- the last 2, meh.......
ACDC had a fall off during the albums after Back In Black and before The Razor's Edge albums. But ACDC fans will tell you there were great albums between them.
Both TE and NSD are better than anything released after Ozzy left. They are great records that get a bad rap for no other reason than a critics echo chamber. Never Say Die is the better of the 2 and is far superior to Heaven and Hell as far as I'm concerned.
Don’t listen to these weirdos in this video: both albums have very good tunes, perhaps far removed from the stuff they wrote before, but great nonetheless.
My band used to do “Dirty Women” and “Rock&Roll Doctor” and they went over great! There was only one good song on Never Say Die and that was, well, “Never Say Die”. The rest were not Sabbath worthy. Sorry.
@@davidmacleod9313 you're kidding right? Juniors Eyes and Johnny Blade are right up there with any other Sab tunes. Technical Ecstasy is a very strong album too. You Won't Change Me, Dirty Women, it's Alright, Rock'n'Roll Doctor. I meanw what's not to like? Those critics are shite. I can't take them seriously. Not sure why Sabbath doesn't seem to like much on Technical Ecstasy, I'm miffed. Probably weren't thinking like that when the albums came out. So that documentary is lazy, half asked production. They should have had a real Sabbath fan make it.
I could not agree with Krusher any more strongly. Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die were crap. For me, they are the 2 blots on the copybook. Dehumanizer and 13 i'd put next on that list if asked.
Pretty good album but I wish they'd left off Bill Ward's song "It's Alright" as it's bloody awful. Completely spoils the album. Just like his singing on the "Never Say Die!" album song "Swinging the Chain". Remove those two songs and those two albums would have been so much better (IMHO).
Stopped watching after Malcom Dome and that other guy's ill informed naysaying comments. Several earthshaking tunes on TE, like Gypsy and You Won't Change Me.
