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Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Creative - 00:10
Sensor - 01:00
High Frame Rate - 02:17
Detail - 03:05
Colour - 03:33
Noise - 04:15
Black Shading - 04:44
Rolling Shutter - 05:02
Rolling Shutter Correction - 05:31
ND Filters - 07:10
IR Pollution - 08:13
Latitude - 08:37
Lens Mount - 11:03
Anamorphic - 11:59
Recording Formats - 12:35
Proxy Function - 13:52
Media - 14:54
Autofocus - 15:48
Exposing - 16:09
Body Design - 16:55
Menu - 18:35
Conclusion - 19:15
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@PiercingSight 9 месяцев назад

That gyro rolling shutter correction advice is a GAME CHANGER!

@thidnascimento 9 месяцев назад

Fantastic that rolling shutter correction thing, never had heard of. Regarding the lens selection, glad to know about Nisi and SP3. I would mentioned Irix Cine Lenses too, a bunch of focal distances in L-mount for a good price

@oleberek 9 месяцев назад

Grear review, thank you! I like that Blackmagic has chosen to implement the tiny screw hole in their l-mount. This can be used in combination with the SIGMA MC-31 PL mount adapter. You will get a tiny screw with it, which you can use to screw in the adapter into the mount, making the camera basically a native PL mount without any wiggle.

@OfTwoLands 9 месяцев назад

Great review guys!! And thanks for including my footage with credits :)

@thidnascimento 9 месяцев назад

Finally! Your video about this camera. Wonderful! I didn't like the limited frame rate options, but the L-mount and open gate make me gravitate towards this camera

@Animayta 9 месяцев назад

Saw the rolling shutter elimination video a few days ago and was blown away, definitely would be a big help for this camera!

@gabrielmachadobsb 9 месяцев назад

The lack of option to select your desqueeze is disappointing, but hopefully something BMD will fix via firmware. And adding the option to desqueeze vertically would also be great. Turning the camera sideways to record 5:6 with a 2x anamorphic would result in a 1.66 aspect ratio, which would a really cool look when paired with a Proteus or Pavo

@Meatyowlleg 9 месяцев назад

ya, like a slider from 0.5x to 2x.

@RadTwin 9 месяцев назад

This is the review I have personally been waiting for. Thank you!!

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching! Jake

@KobusGevelspar 4 месяца назад

another great and detailed review. thanks a lot guys!

@AbdonPhirathon 9 месяцев назад

As always, another great review!

@DiodeFilms 9 месяцев назад

Ha! I've been waiting for this video for ages, but wasn't expecting to be featured!

@s.o.s235 9 месяцев назад

Great job, per usual!

@remery4 9 месяцев назад

YESSSSS!!! Ive been waiting for so long and it worth it. Thanks so much for mentioning rolling shutter fix - i watched this guy 1d ago and it shocked me. Thats a reason to love my bmpcc 4k even more nowadays camera looks good, but i will miss prores recording ;( i would have even just 4k for it. hope bmd will add the recording option later, since the company will never fail to suprise us with their updates

@johnclay7644 9 месяцев назад

informative in depth review Thanks CVP.

@thegospelcallTGC 7 месяцев назад

Great job! Another good review. God bless you guys.

@fellowcitizen 7 месяцев назад

Another brilliant review. Very keen to get this, but just got the S5ii which suits my needs and skills better for the moment.

@pglazzari1 9 месяцев назад

Totally mind blown how DaVinci Resolve corrects Rolling Shutter through meta data that’s a game changer!

@McarthurBeard 9 месяцев назад

I really need more people to do test with this camera and comparisons with other cameras in real use scenarios. Because I took this camera out my considering list. I’m only looking at c70 r5c red Komodo and fx6 now

@angryrabbitproductions1690 9 месяцев назад

This is great. Can’t wait to see your review of the Fujifilm GFX100 II.

@cllgscreative 9 месяцев назад

Love this. Been rocking a Pocket 4k since it dropped way back when. Only now feeling a true reason to upgrade. To me, Blackmagic makes the easiest cameras to use that return an image way above its price. It's also easy to make your money back from the camera.

@relaxwithme3266 8 месяцев назад

I just got mine and I absolutely love it! The image is so gorgeous.

@user-zx4ff2oo3f 2 месяца назад

My machine experiences severe green bands and horizontal streaks in low light, how can I fix them

@relaxwithme3266 2 месяца назад

@@user-zx4ff2oo3f you may need to send it back. Mine doesn’t do that unless it’s like 6 stops underexposed.

@thatcherfreeman 9 месяцев назад

Presumably if you don't provide the lens focal length for the rolling shutter correction, Resolve will just use some default focal length. Maybe there wasn't much of a difference because the lens you used was pretty close to their default.

@phamwoaw 6 месяцев назад

although I can for the technicality, I was entertained with the narrative and the editing instant sub half way through bravo

@t1merickson 9 месяцев назад

If they're gonna drop the "Pocket" I wish they would have redesigned the form factor. A box camera would probably be better given how often people rig these out.

@subarusensei3685 9 месяцев назад

I wish they could make something like the original pocket.

@ioanandrei8814 9 месяцев назад

@@subarusensei3685 they have no sensor for that…

@nightdonutstudio 9 месяцев назад

Blackmagic's 5 inch 1080p screen is also very good. I wish other camera can have that build in.

@irgendwasmitcomputer 9 месяцев назад

Wrong

@StillPictureProduction 9 месяцев назад

Rather have a camera that gives me an amazing 5” screen and not have to rig it out AND pay more.

@ItsJuuustJen 9 месяцев назад

Would you guys be able to do a "How to Upgrade the Blackmagic Design Cinema Camera 6K" in the near future? Great videos by the way, you guys have some of the best reviews around, and give your customers an excellent shopping experience, as well.

@cinematools9621 9 месяцев назад

Not interested in the camera but always enjoy watching your reviews.

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching! Jake

@REMRODFILMS 8 месяцев назад

Idk I'm kind of stuck on the no pro res and no good Slo mo options. Would you upgrade from the pocket 6k?

@MrJhmw01 9 месяцев назад

Another great video! Thanks CVP; any chance of doing one around video for the GFX 100 ii...

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

It’s on our list, we are waiting on Fujifilm getting us a camera long enough to do it ;) Thanks for watching! Jake

@MrJhmw01 9 месяцев назад

Bit of a fan @@CVPTV, would love to come to the new store one of these days.. I am trying to decide whether to go with this for the ease of BRAW, the F6-Pro for the form factor, Kinefinity LF Mavo ii for the form factor and image (it really does look nice) or the GFX 100 ii for its sensor.. If the GFX 100 ii gives a unique enough image, I'd be really tempted.

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Let us know what you think of the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K down below! EDIT - I say 6400 ISO during the Latitude section when referring to the S5IIX second base, I meant to say 4000. That rush was shot at 4000 not 6400, it was just a mistake graphically/scripting our end. Jake

@Millistration 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for clarifying 👍🏻

@tptrsn 9 месяцев назад

This whole review makes 100% sense.

@neurojitsu 6 месяцев назад

Great insights as always, this has helped me rule the camera out for my purposes as I'd only really consider it for my needs if the low light performance were superior to the 6k Pro. One thing confuses me though, which is that I had always thought that a 6k full frame sensor with larger photocells would always have better low light performance than a 6k S35 sensor. Why is this not the case versus the 6k Pro? I ask because I'm currently deciding between the 6k Pro and some other full frame sensor cameras, and my use case includes using s35 lenses alongside full frame lenses, and so I don't want to compromise on low light performance when using a full frame sensor cropped in... but is that over-simplifying things? I plan to test the cameras on my shortlist, but I'm confused by the principles in operation here... any help appreciated!

@simonfil2 9 месяцев назад

I value a full frame sensor alot. ND's I can easily add, the shape I can rig around, battery I have lots of options but that sensor man. I definetly want to pick this up when my wallet allows! Might sell my 6K pocket and Ursa for this.

@newmantopia 3 месяца назад

Nothing beats the BM color science, but now being used to autofocus in the A7sIII, I wouldn't want to switch to something without it for my particular workflow.

@fossmountainfilm 8 месяцев назад

I just bought the Black Magic 6K Full Frame body and did some night test shots at various ISO levels. Unfortunately, after doing many thorough tests and making sure I was not doing anything wrong, I have horizontal banding issues. Such a big disappointment. Unfortunately the horizontal banding issue is more common than I thought. The horizontal banding issue is highly noticeable from about ISO 200 to ISO 2500. Above roughly ISO 2500 the banding disappears a fair amount but, as one would expect, the image is quite noisy and unusable. I have been shooting various cameras over 25 plus years and never seen such a problem. I was shooting 24p 180 degree shutter with 50 hz anti flicker (Japan 100v 50hz electric) and doing everything I could to stop the horizontal banding and nothing worked. Contacted BM Tech support and they viewed my footage on my YT channel and they agree “ We confirm that the excessive banding is occurring in the video.” They want me to send them the BRAW file so they can do further inspection. Been a rough week with my camera but BM Tech support are helping as best they can to fix the problem.

@captainradio5894 8 месяцев назад

Sorry to hear that ! Glad they are going to work on it for you.

@fossmountainfilm 7 месяцев назад

@@captainradio5894 I ended up getting a full refund for the BM camera. Bought an FX3 and though it suffers from a bit of CMOS smearing it is not as severe as the new BM 6K FF image. With the FX3 I just have to use either 800 or 12,800 ISO and adjust accordingly. The image at 12,800 ISO is amazingly clean.

@rejean123 4 дня назад

Can you update us with what happened with your camera? A lot of us are having the same problem and Blackmagic is trying to hide the issue by telling us it's our fault for improperly exposing the camera.

@fossmountainfilm 4 дня назад

@@rejean123 I politely insisted that the quality was unnaceptable for me and that I need a full refund. And they refunded me fully. I bought the Sony FX3 and the image quality is better.

@rejean123 2 дня назад

@@fossmountainfilm Thank you for taking the time to respond, I'll try my luck.

@joshblck1 9 месяцев назад

How do you think this compares with the Ursa 12k image wise?

@miguelgonzal1998 9 месяцев назад

Did you think that maybe Blackmagic is reserving the “box style camera” for maybe a new ursa mini FF?

@OCK3411 9 месяцев назад

Great video as always! How would you say the image quality of this camera compares to that of the Pocket 6K? Does the full frame perform better in low light?

@whengrapespop5728 7 месяцев назад

He literally compares them in the video.

@8KHDRVideoBySittipong 9 месяцев назад

Nice review

@verebellus 9 месяцев назад

Can u do a comparison between the s5iix and this?

@1ShotNas Месяц назад

first vid drop got 600views lol keep going bro!

@OrangeBrick8 9 месяцев назад

Would love a video about the micro cinema camera

@BushmanMedia 9 месяцев назад

Test the 4k micro G2. There are many of us interested in that camera. ❤

@SuperFilm2011 4 месяца назад

Hi. Do you receive a “no media detected” when playing back your footage? Thanks

@TheLostKuma 9 месяцев назад

Can't wait for the pro version w/ ND, probably closer around the corner than anyone thinks

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Fingers crossed mate! Jake

@RubenStuveling 9 месяцев назад

Probably difficult without a pretty serious redesign of the body.

@user-zx4ff2oo3f 2 месяца назад

My machine experiences severe green bands and horizontal streaks in low light, how can I fix them

@nightotter 9 месяцев назад

I’m thinking we will see a change in form factor next time, or the same camera with internal NDs and then a change in form factor after that.

@ShangleLP 9 месяцев назад

Finally!😁😁😁

@waveland 9 месяцев назад

No doubt at some stage you will formally test the dynamic range of this sensor configuration. I’m curious to see whether that 13th stop can effectively register above the noise floor. That seems a bit doubtful given the range you demonstrated here between clipping and unusable under exposure. Regardless I will add the CC 6k to my kit very soon. Open gate “cross cropping” (to coin a phrase) can save quite a bit of time when you need to pull social media content from 16:9 material you’ve already filmed. The extra head room makes for much better verticals. And though this camera may lack the IBIS and autofocus found in hybrids (and a growing number of higher cost cine cameras), for the price it handles timecode far better than the hybrids, and it can digest many sorts of DC sources while leaving the USB-C port free for other purposes, *internal* RAW instead of having to bulk up with an external recorder drawing additional juice from the rig, the 5” screen is often a big bonus especially when you want to move quickly with a gimbal and it also makes the touch screen interface less cramped and fiddly to deal with when in a hurry, and overheating is never an issue. Enough said, but so often reviewers miss a forest of Blackmagic advantages (at the price point) because of the one “tree” named “autofocus”.

@willmannering 9 месяцев назад

It's the same sensor as the A7III and Ronin 4D 6K, so there's no surprise here the dynamic range is not great compared to even the best mirrorless cameras.

@waveland 9 месяцев назад

@@willmannering The Venice2 is advertised as 16 stops, but in most configurations the effective range is around 13. And even if the sensor array is the same as the A7III that doesn’t mean the signal processing hasn’t been tweaked and improved along the way. So we will just have to see. But other than the Alexa 35, most sensors these days are still closely grouped in terms of effective DR.

@RubenStuveling 9 месяцев назад

@@willmanneringthe 6K is on par or better in comparison to all mirrorless camera’s when it comes to DR.

@8lec_R 9 месяцев назад

@@wavelandnot really tbh. The a7s3 sensor and the fuji xh2s sensor can get up to 15 stops, 13 clean stops according to imatest. The rest of the cameras usually hang around between 13 and 14 stops.

@JumpingWill 9 месяцев назад

I wish BMCC 6K has the option to customize the focus throw degree of Leica/ Panasonic L-mount lenses like how it would on a Leica or lumix camera. I wonder if this setting would be added eventually.

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Would definitely be a cool addition. Jake

@hanheecho6437 9 месяцев назад

Finally!

@chickenpasta7359 9 месяцев назад

It looks great but it just costs way too much, considering the S5iiX exists and has slightly better dynamic range, better autofocus, better form factor, and external RAW. You also have a budget to pickup the Blackmagic external RAW recorder too so this is a very tough sell. Definitely a big slip up from Blackmagic

@puertadlm163 9 месяцев назад

Open Gate plus Anamorphic. Cant wait.

@andygonzalez9875 8 месяцев назад

Should i invest in cf express or external ssd?

@yawningdeer9831 7 месяцев назад

How do I match my S5ii footage to look as good as this? Is it possible?

@ibrahimgtsr 9 месяцев назад

Hi there, I love your reviews, I'm in the market for a new Blackmagic camera, can make a review of the Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2, the Cinema Camera 6K is one of the one I wanted but I might need to wait on it.

@dustinstelly 9 месяцев назад

At about 10:43 when you say the Sony Sensor separates itself from the rest of the pack, are you sure it's the sensor and not just internal noise reduction processing being baked into the file? Wouldn't it be better to have the Blackmagic file and have ability to control the amount of noise reduction with Neat in post?

@geoffreybassett6741 9 месяцев назад

With that horizontal banding I think it would be quite difficult to do so.

@TechnoBabble 9 месяцев назад

Even if it is just internal noise reduction it's basically just as detailed as the rest with essentially no colour shift and no CMOS smearing. Applying post noise reduction to a noisy clip with bad CMOS smearing is just going to give you a clean shot with bad CMOS smearing.

@Dessme 8 месяцев назад

Never heard of this brand. Looks so good though!

@aalleejjoo 9 месяцев назад

Gyro Stabilization eliminates the rolling Shutter problem!

@bathboysadventuretime8498 9 месяцев назад

Would you know if the NISI are compatible with the Meike filters? Due to the protruding rear element

@jonasscheidegger8740 9 месяцев назад

sadly it's not compatible with all of them :( the distance of the nisi athena rear element ranges from 20.62 to 24.85 mm depending on the focal length. the bulged height limit of the rear end of a PL lens on the meike drop-in filter PL mount adapter is 21mm. so only the nisi athena 25mm T1.9 would work. i hope that helps :)

@bathboysadventuretime8498 9 месяцев назад

Thank you! Was trying to research this - greatly appreciated @@jonasscheidegger8740

@knowyouryoga 9 месяцев назад

Does camera gyro work with sony cameras with gyro data?

@questioneverything680 9 месяцев назад

I have a question, what is the benefit of recording braw internally on a blackmagic camera vs externally on a mirrorless camera as it relates to the actual codec? I ask this because I’m currently shopping for a new camera and I find I can get a used s5 (original) and blackmagic video assist for about the same price as this camera. For my personal workflow, I wouldn’t really run the camera without a rig in the first place so the additional bulk of an external monitor isn’t an issue-and times where I would run it stripped down, the internal h.264 codecs of the s5 should still be enough, albeit, perhaps at the expense of my workflow in post. Does blackmagic do anything like limiting compression for external recording or any other weird quirks I should know? Tldr; is the benefit to internal braw, over external braw, just a form factor benefit, or are there more benefits I should know of?

@AbdonPhirathon 9 месяцев назад

This video by OBP has a pretty good comparison between the Braw from the S5II and the BMPCC6K Pro: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z4wKK17HZ0Y.htmlsi=W-AaUrStrGAhz0h2

@OrigEntertainmentOfficial 9 месяцев назад

I don't think you can record BRAW externally via the HDMI but only through the USBC to an SSD on this camera. So for the Blackmagic cameras, there is no difference though it is theoretically safer to record internally to prevent risk of an accidental disconnect of the cable to the SSD. They did mention at 9:46 that you can record BRAW externally on the S5iiX and the A7siii (via HDMI to compatible recorder/monitors) but they did not have access at the time. OBP did some tests on the S5ii with the BRAW if you want to see those.

@questioneverything680 9 месяцев назад

I meant is there a difference recording braw externally on something like an S5/S5IIX/XH2 etc. vs the internal recording on native blackmagic cameras. Like is the external recording limited in any way (i.e. do you not get as many compression options, are you stuck shooting at either a variable/constant bitrate etc.). I’m not really interested in any image quality differences as I know both images are good. Just looking for more information about the different options recording braw from a mirrorless camera.

@AbdonPhirathon 9 месяцев назад

@@questioneverything680 The only thing you cannot do when shooting Braw externally is change the ISO in Davinci Resolve. Blackmagic cameras shooting internal Braw will allow you to change ISO in Davinci Resolve. And obviously, shooting externally doesn’t give you Blackmagic colors. Other than that, you’re getting 90% of what you can do with a Blackmagic by recording externally, and you aren’t going to be losing out of the other benefits of shooting Braw.

@christopherjolly 9 месяцев назад

This is a weird product in Blackmagic's lineup. In the launch video Grant Petty said that they kept the same body so that existing Pocket 6K users could switch over and keep the same accessories; but why would I switch from a Pocket 6K/6K Pro to the 6K Cinema only to sacrifice the higher frame rates the earlier models provide + internal giving up the interal ND's of the 6K Pro? Plus I've already got myself kitted out with Super35 EF glass - so to adapt the lenses to the L Mount 6K Cinema would turn it from a full frame 6K camera into a Super35 4K camera. This just adds to my growing list of frustrations with design choices that Blackmagic have made: - Still none of their cameras provider dual card recording - The Studio 4K, Studio 4K Pro, Studio 6K Pro, and Micro Studio Cameras all have 12G SDI yet the Pocket 6K & Pocket 6K Pro and 6K Cinema only have HDMI out at 1080p. - The ATEM mini switchers can control Blackmagic camera settings and trigger record over HDMI/SDI but the VideoAssist monitors cannot. - The cameras have a bafflingly limited range of anamorphic desqueezing options. - The Ursa Broadcast G2 can only control the exposure as "Gain" and can't be changed to ISO, and vise-versa with their other cameras. - Some cameras allow users to switch between shutter angle and shutter speed, while others are locked to shutter angle.

@SereneBobcat 9 месяцев назад

The form factor is such a buzz kill, I would love to pick this up, but I really can't get over the body design. I was on a shoot with the pocket 6K the other day, and there was a shot that I couldn't get without reconfiguring the camera because of the way the battery hangs off the back. It really is just awful design not built with ergonomics in mind. The images out of thing is sweeeeeeeeeet, but damn if the body doesn't give me the chills.

@andrewkwhitecustomfilms 9 месяцев назад

Agreed. Hate this body shape.

@MtZionMediaPro 9 месяцев назад

To be honest, I used to hate the body shape because I would want to rig up my camera. But what I realize is that if I just use the internal batteries, & keep like four or five on hand, it really gets the job done and I don't have to do any unnecessary rigging. It makes it super easy to get amazing footage handheld, and there in a gimbal quickly. That being said, I do wish that they kept the pocket in the name of this new camera because that's what the body style is. For the actual cinema camera, they should have went with a smaller Ursa form factor.

@SereneBobcat 9 месяцев назад

@@MtZionMediaPro I don't know, that brings another inconvenience of frequent battery swaps. My last shoot had some long days, and two Vmounts were barely enough, I couldn't imagine needing to swap batteries 6,7,8 times during the course of the day. At the end of the day that is what this is about, compromises. I do love that it is a small camera, the menu system, and the 5 inch monitor, but it is a body that causes too many workarounds. When you pull it out of the box to use it as a cinema camera you have to go hunting for solutions specifically caused by this body design. I would love a Blackmagic cinema camera that was a smaller Ursa. The fucked up thing about that las announcements is if they put the sensor for the Cinema Camera 6K or the 6kFF inside a bigger Micro Cinema camera body, I would be all over that.

@andrewkwhitecustomfilms 9 месяцев назад

@@MtZionMediaPro The camera ends up being too light in my opinion. And then if you want to use it on a gimbal it's very awkward.

@MtZionMediaPro 9 месяцев назад

@@andrewkwhitecustomfilms Well a camera body being too light is both a pro and a con-- depends entirely on your use case. I purchased the RS3 Pro and have had no issues balancing or getting it on there quickly. I run with the gimbal on a monopod which allows me to quickly switch from handheld to gimbal depending on what shot I need.

@verebellus Месяц назад

isnt the second base of the S5iix iso 4000?

@7michaelwright 7 месяцев назад

I've have th bmpcc4k for about 3 years. . Honestly I'm just looking to upgrade

@bybenoit5593 9 месяцев назад

Would love a link to the bitrate tool!

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/blackmagiccinemacamera/blackmagicraw scroll down this page! Sorry will add to description now!! Jake

@Alexrocks1253 8 месяцев назад

Seems like the S5IIx is a better option given it's cheaper and still has BRAW out if needed with highlight recovery.

@jammusique 7 месяцев назад

Are there any cages yet?

@RicoStein_ 9 месяцев назад

I just enjoy watching your content! It's always on point and precise, BUT - I would love to see more in depth criticism. For most of the reviews I feel like you leave big downsides behind, trying to keep it soft with the brand instead of taking the risk and really talk about the downsides. There are many downsides to talk about which would not only be more interesting to hear from you, but which could also attract the brands to listen more to the customers needs, if well respected Channels like yours talk about it more.

@philrodfilms 9 месяцев назад

What is your suggestion for using external batteries? In other words what's the best/safest way to connect them to the camera?

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Use the 2-pin with a DTAP cable with whatever external battery power source you would like to. Jake

@philrodfilms 9 месяцев назад

@@CVPTV thanks for replying Jake. Do I need a battery inside the camera while doing this?

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

No you do not, but always worth doing so you can hotswap batteries! Jake

@philrodfilms 9 месяцев назад

@@CVPTV thank you !

@celpabedn 7 месяцев назад

How does this compare to Sony fx30?

@LoremIpsumProd 7 месяцев назад

11:08 anyone knows what kind of "shoulder" rig is that?

@idowuojo4826 9 месяцев назад

I’d love to know if the battery situation with BM has been resolved in this new update

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

We didn't have time to do proper testing. But a single NPF ran anywhere between 30-60 mins depending on what you have the screen set to and recording mode. We mainly used an external 90WH battery and that lasted ages. Jake

@idowuojo4826 9 месяцев назад

@@CVPTV thank you 😊

@mrdamiansingh 8 месяцев назад

RF mount I would have bought it! Leica ? What’s that 😢

@simonc4764 9 месяцев назад

I'm suprise how clean and detail the 1080p crop is I could imagine you could uprez that to 4k. The Pocket 6k at 2.8k crop has lots of noise and loss of detail. The field of view between these two cameras would be close when comparing FF at 1080p cropped and 1.7 crop at 2.8k cropped,

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

It looks so great in HD! Jake

@DynamicPhil84 9 месяцев назад

Overall it looks like a pretty impressive 1st full frame offering from Blackmagic. But the specs are just not quite there to compete with other similarly priced or slightly more expensive cameras. This camera needs faster frame rate options at higher resolutions and better autofocus if Blackmagic wants it to stand out in the crowded field of mirrorless full frame cameras. Internal BRaw is amazing as always, but it can't be the only major thing setting this camera apart from other brands at this price point.

@kunstspielklavier185 9 месяцев назад

Is it though? As far as I‘m aware, there are not to many mirrorless hybrids with two mini XLR inputs, OG recording, Anamorphic desqueeze options and a 5“ 1500 nit Screen. Not to mention a resolve license. That being said, I would love to see a Box style 6K Pro or 6K FF with an external 5“ Control Monitor Solution. That should not keep me from appreciating any of BMDs Pocket or now Cinema Cameras for what they are.

@DynamicPhil84 9 месяцев назад

@@kunstspielklavier185 I think filmmakers are willing to pay a bit more for a reasonable, more fully-functional Blackmagic cinema camera, box-style as you say. For $500 more, you can get the Z-Cam F6, which shoots full frame 6K, has better frame rate options than the BMC6K, is more durable and modular instead of the cheap plastic Blackmagic can't seem to stop using, and can even shoot external BRaw. Yes, you have to get a separate monitor and it starts at a higher price initially. So I think if Blackmagic would have built this camera out in a more robust way, more durable material, more frame rate options, etc. and only charged $1K more for it, I think it would be a much more viable option. $3500 for a complete 6K cine camera is still a great deal.

@user-nr5wx7md4d 4 месяца назад

Why didn't you guy's at CVP test the low light camera movement to see if the dreaded fixed pattern noise is still an issue in this camera.

@sebastiangonzalez-oi4le 9 месяцев назад

Hope BM can develop a specific tool for fixing rolling shutter with no crop.

@8lec_R 9 месяцев назад

That can't be done. You'd be losing resolution anyways. The best option is a sensor with a fast readout speed.

@TechnoBabble 9 месяцев назад

That's not possible. You need to crop because of the warping being done to the footage to fix the rolling shutter.

@angeloplayforone 9 месяцев назад

Great camera for the creative filmmaker despite the criique it recieved when released.

@MrCloud254 9 месяцев назад

Question. You clearly dont have issues testing mirrorless cameras. Why not test out Nikon? Curious to see your opinion on them

@uptonfilms95 9 месяцев назад

Because a very limited amount of people use their cameras compared to other brands.

@jayclas4023 9 месяцев назад

The S5iix Vlog second gain ISO is 4000, not 6400.

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Yeah someone noticed that soon after we published the vid, it’s in our pinned comment at the top. The clip was recorded at 4000 so ignore what I say/the graphic. Jake

@mikkelbje1242 8 месяцев назад

If they made it with a built in VND and a Red Komode like "box" design I would happily pay $1000 more. Also, change the monitor with a small and easy to use LCD display like Arri perfected on the Alexa Classic 11 years ago.

@EntenteFilms 9 месяцев назад

I’m still with my 6k pro ❤

@renaissancedigital5730 9 месяцев назад

Wait, so for the second native ISO you tested them at -6 under?

@CVPTV 9 месяцев назад

Only the clips that show the 2nd base. Those have the same amount of light hitting the sensor as the 6 stops under shots, but at the 2nd base. Jake

@renaissancedigital5730 9 месяцев назад

@@CVPTV So the tests at the 2nd base were about 3 stops under?

@geoffreybassett6741 9 месяцев назад

@@CVPTV Why? Why would you shoot this way?

@Deksvilm 9 месяцев назад

@@CVPTV So if there was 6 stops under the 400 iso, then at 3200 there should be a 3 stops under. But for me it's strange why Full frame sensor is much noisier then crop at pocket6k g2. Any idea why that happens?

@leebrandt8597 9 месяцев назад

One of the flaws many people make when doing these types of tests, is that there is no such thing as a "native ISO" when shooting raw (or Braw). Really, it's misinformation or a misunderstanding. Red is about the only one who figured this out. When shooting in other codecs, like prores, it's a different story and it does come into play. But not with raw recording. I would be more interested in seeing this test applied with all cameras at the same ISO, since shooting them at different ones essentially changes the exposure, and it's not an apples to apples comparison

@kunstspielklavier185 9 месяцев назад

So RAW negates a Sensors native ISO ratings? Would shooting shooting at the same ISO not be unfair? If cam A has a sensor rated at say 500 ISO and cam b has 1000 ISO, for arguments sake assuming both have 12 Stops of DR an both habe 6 stops each below and above middle grey. Would that not shift on cam b exposed for 500 ISO making a comparison of Latitude inaccurate? Should you not compare Sensors at their respective „sweet spot“? Could you please elaborate?

@leebrandt8597 9 месяцев назад

@@kunstspielklavier185 Shooting a camera at ISO 500 would absolutely not be the same as another one shooting at 1000, even if the manufacturers rate their individual cameras at those numbers. Native ISO is meaningless for raw recording, and placing both cameras at the same value makes more sense. What the guys from this video have done is to set middle gray at different ISO values to compensate for the difference in exposure. The problem with their methodology is that the signal sensitivity shifts with ISO. For example if you view on any camera dynamic range chart, the higher the ISO, the more latitude in the highlights. Therefore, ISO 800 has better highlight retention than 400, by one stop difference. Going back to your question, which goes along with what I'm saying, the 12 stops of DR in your scenario would shift towards the highlights at higher ISO, and towards the shadows in low ISO. To give you an example of how they tested this doesn't work: I did a highlight retention test on my Pocket 6k Pro. At 400, I'm getting 8.3 stops above middle grey. At 800, I'm getting 9.3. But again, there is no native ISO for raw. In other codecs it makes more sense to stick to them. So don't feel obligated to shoot at 400. There's other scenarios where 800 makes way more sense, especially with harsh sunlight situations. To give my last example: When the Alexa 35 came out, many people have deduced that there's a better argument for it having a native ISO of 400, and at the initial release, that's what Arri agreed with. But later, they suggested to make it 800. Why? for the same reasons I'm pointing out. Doesn't it seem weird that they changed the number later? Of course it does, since that number is basically a suggestion on where to expose, but as filmmakers, you should make sure to know which ISO applies best for each different scenario, not be stuck to one number

@kunstspielklavier185 9 месяцев назад

I still can‘t quite follow your train of thought. I get that changing ISO is just moving the respective reference point for middle grey and allocating Latitude above and below differently. So comparing different sensors at their respective „middle“ would make the most sense, would it not? Would the problem you described not get worse if comparing different Sensors at the same ISO? Picking ISO 400 for example: ARRI states their Alev3 Sensor to have 6.6 Stops above and 7.9 Stops below middle grey. Sony at base iso 800 rates iso 400 on the FX9 as having 5 stops above and 10 stops below middle grey. BMD at „native“ iso 400 set to 400 is rated at 5.9 above and 7.6 below middle grey. How is that a fair comparison assuming identical exposure? That was what I meant in my example. If Camera A and B are both rated as having 12 Stops total dynamic range and 6 Stops each above and below middle grey, the only difference being Cam A hitting this target at iso 500 while cam b does so at iso 1000. if I where to compare the two at iso 1000, cam b would still have 6 stops above and below middle grey, while cam a might now have 7 above and 5 below. Why do you think it would make more sense comparing the two not at their respective midpoint regarding latitude but instead comparing one at its most even to another one pushed or pulled by one stop?

@kunstspielklavier185 9 месяцев назад

Why would native ISO be meaningless when shooting raw? Looking at cameras with dual native or base ISOs I would think deciding which native ISO range you shoot in makes all the difference. Taking the FX9 as an example. Shooting at iso 2000 at base iso 800 yields 7-ish stops above and 8-ish stops below middle grey. Shooting at iso 2000 in base iso 4000 yields 5 stops above and 10 stops below middle grey. If you mean to say that native iso numbers seem rather arbitrarily labled by manufacturers, I would absolutely agree. However comparing sensors with actually different sensitivities at the same iso makes no sense to me. Especially looking for an apples to apples comparison.

@kunstspielklavier185 9 месяцев назад

@@leebrandt8597i also absolutly agree that you should also know how to push your exposure as far as possible and understand how your camera allocates its dynamic range along its iso range. Especially since it might seem counter intuitive sometimes. E.g. as you said actually raising your iso in bright environments. However this is only true, if exposure is adjusted correctly and can‘t be done in post. Having exposed for iso 800 while shooting will not change in post even if you push for 2000.

@unn4medfeel1ng 9 месяцев назад

The image from this looks really pleasing. However, it gets harder and harder for BM to compete, considering how good hybrid cameras are becoming. It would be great to get more advanced AF system, but I'm not sure Blackmagic has resources for developing it from the ground up.

@louissouvestre2277 8 месяцев назад

Their targeted clientele aren't the one using AF. That's one of the reasons the camera is so cheap yet has one of the best looking color science available. They got rid of "useless" add-ons .They know where to put their resources and have no reason trying to copy anyone. It's a good thing that they stick as what they are masters at.

@unn4medfeel1ng 8 месяцев назад

@@louissouvestre2277 Blackmagic had more going for them when mirrorless had only 8-bit and limited recording times. They still have better colors, but it isn't night and day difference.

@andynonimuss6298 8 месяцев назад

For a fast car chase or action footage, you would likely be using a different camera(s) anyway.

@geoffreybassett6741 9 месяцев назад

@6:13 Why in the WORLD wouldn't they advertise this more. Rolling Shutter is the only thing that was preventing me from buying this camera, now that I know that there is a fix I can consider purchasing it.

@RubenStuveling 7 месяцев назад

It doesn't fix every RS artifact though. It only fixes RS artifacts from the camera itself moving fast. Objects that move fast in front of the camera are not fixed. For example: if you hold the camera out the window of a moving car, the streetlight poles will still be warped.

@seancloutier2577 14 дней назад

I have had Canon and have Sony...in my opinion Black Magic has the best image...there is something about the Black Magic color science that is next level... if Black Magic had autofocus in a DSLR form factor...I would jump in a second....as a solo guy I need the auto focus that Sony offers...

@whyjaywonders 3 месяца назад

The best thing about the PYXIS: 1. Adding a monitor but conveniently forget the hinge to be able to flip out and twist the screen. 2. Gently asking $500 more for the same sensor with all the glory, warts and all. 3. Nicely rub salt on the wounds and nudging us to buy actual usable monitor. ' In my humble opinion, if they wont discontinue the OG BMCC FF 6K for couple of years into the future, I have no issues or qualms.

@Vladi_mir_M 9 месяцев назад

Prores….😢😢😢it is important for me and my colleagues. It is a good cam but now not for me without prores…

@GabrielScindian 9 месяцев назад

Off topic. I wish these lens manufacturers would come out with gfx cine lenses

@SuperSuperka 8 месяцев назад

I personally think those skin-macro shots is not the best theme to show this camera at its best. Landscapes, cityscapes, interiors, portraits would be nice. Beautiful cinema camera.

@abecerra71 Месяц назад

Now i'm torn between the Black magic Cinema 6 and the Sony A7III. HELP!

@CVPTV Месяц назад

The Cinema 6K is a much better video camera, but cannot be seriously used for stills. So if you need a hybrid camera, I would look at the A73/4 or Panasonic S5II/S5II X. Jake

@rekinxxxl 9 месяцев назад

Why choose this instead of S5 ii/iix ?

@botbot3698 9 месяцев назад

did you watch the video?

@Wildridefilms 9 месяцев назад

internal Blackmagic RAW, AA filter, Free Resolve studio

@Bast6 9 месяцев назад

If only this sensor was in an URSA body... (I mean, the old URSA Mini body, with the 5 inch screen and less ENG buttons).

@plisskenetic 9 месяцев назад

10:42 - I'm sorry but this feature of the a7sIII's sensor (going over 12k iso) is seriously overblown. The footage is clean when you go to this iso level (so-called 2nd native one), but that's really bcoz there is irremovable noise reduction applied and lotsa detail is LOST and it's very obvious even when viewing it at 100% with no pixel peeping at all. I found this hard way even when using a Sony lens on it!

@westdk6705 7 месяцев назад

Everyone is talking about camera ,but never about files, space on the Pc !!! How many TB do we need for 20min short video ???

@drbop6951 Месяц назад

This is a cinema camera. Calling for features that are seen in hybrid domestic video cameras is a little odd. Most of us that use these cameras are trained to do so and make a living from our professional vocations. If you need auto focus and in-camera stabilisation you need to be looking else where. Just grabbed one of these for £1500 new and it's beyond belief at this price point. Cheers.