BlazingRant: Exactly How "GOOD" Is Fire Emblem Echoes? 

Alm: *breathes* Berkut: AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

positive: It was faithful negative: It was faithful That's what I got from playing though Echoes and watching Ghast play through of Gaiden.

It's not that the RNG isn't great, it's that it's accurate for once. The first 6 (maybe 5), FE games used single RNG, and so does Echoes. Sure, you hit less, but it's actually displaying the proper number

"This world belongs to Alm" lol Faye is the thirstiest FE character I've ever seen

I heard a Let's Player named Bigklingy speculate that an FE game that combines Echoes' storytelling with Fates' game-play could potentially make for one of the best games in the series.

Best written and translated game in the series. WELL worth it!

101 dislikes? This video HAS to be good!

14:32 "these characters personality and backstory have already been established" have you even played Gaiden? or at least talked to someone who has? Gaiden barely has any dialogue whatsoever. once you've recruited a character they'll never say anything ever again. well except for their death quote. and even before you recruit them they don't say much. that exchange between Luthier and Delthea that you get when you recruit Delthea was not in Gaiden. the only thing that conversation amounted to was Delthea saying thanks then joining.

Just now getting around to this and... your opinion is fair. I love this game. All the heart that went into it astounds me. How it's a send up to Awakening, a parallel to Shadow Dragon, and it's own story is great. It set the bar for what a Fire Emblem game needs to be going forward. Now if that bar is low or high, I don't know. I liked Alm's maps and hated Celica's. I remember more personal fights than I do the maps they were in. The music is ear-candy at times but I didn't realize or remember there were so many songs. The RNG was stupid but the fights were fun to watch. The supports were a breath of fresh air or a distraction but also utterly pointless and few. The village conversations provided more backstory for the characters than anything else. I like the smaller details like units cheering each other on or both Alm and Celica having different monologues when entering a dungeon or viewing something... but I find little to no reason to replay the game except to try things differently. I'm not going for all the awards but renown is a big factor in global listing. Even streetpass can keep me going back to dungeons even if I admit I don't like it. So on the whole, I think it's a good game. I may not replay it as much as Awakening or Fates (as 100% can be achieved in one play through) but I'm glad I got to experience it. Being someone who started with Awakening, it makes me look forward to new remakes and stories that don't follow the pandering trend like Fates or have more memorable villains than Awakening. I almost every character which is not something I can say for Awakening or Fates. Hopefully we'll get the good of all games come Switch. I want to see this series thrive. I may hate the fanbase, but I'm glad when it grows with more diversity.

14:30 Ummm.... Blazing Knight, they did have to work with brand new material for the most part. Most of these characters were lucky if they even got 2 textboxes of dialogue in the original.

I love your criticisms agaist Echoes. You talked about every complaint I hesitated to express in my video. I love the story and rejoice the villain issues finnally solved in this game, but I couldn't stand for the lack of replayability and map design and other stuffs.😢 I know Fates has one of the worst story-telling but the gameplay is very very fun.😙 I hope Intelligent Systems will create a new game having good things of both Exhoes and Fates😊

Just to disprove the RNG claim for the septillionth time. Fire Emblems 1-6 have the most fair RNG system, where the percentage is precisely what you see on the screen, rather than 7-14 where it is to the players favor.

I feel like Faye is the creators' personal commentary about that section of the fanbase obsessed with self inserting their avatar with their preferred character. She's a warning to impressionable young shippers about the dangers of going extreme with self inserting and fantasizing. Faye's unlikable because she's meant to be someone you don't want to become. That's my interpretation of her, but even so I still find her annoying and don't think it's a good enough reason to make me like her.

You know what? I agree with pretty much 90% of the things you said in this video. I've never played Gaiden. In fact, I'm one of the Awakening noobies. Despite everything that's wrong with Echoes, I still love the game and it's up there in my Top 3 along with Sacred Stones and Awakening. I love the story, the voice acting, the animation, and the dungeon crawling. While the maps can pretty bland, and some repetitive, I honestly don't find myself that dispassionate about it, because no fight feels too easy. You can have the most bland maps but if the enemies are tough, you're still in for a good fight regardless. I found myself getting punished a few times because I didn't use the terrain to my advantage or I gave someone an item that doesn't work too well with them. The characters are what brings this game to life for me. From their beautiful artwork to their amazing voices, each character is pleasant in their own unique way. (My favorite is Tobi-poo

I'd honestly give it a 7.5-8/10 great characterization, cast, artstyle, VA, story(to some extent), improve forging, combat Arts and presentation but feels archaic in map design, lack of replay value, short(make sense given that's what Gaiden means) and gameplay also hate Cantors! plus wish they had a few cross supports when they merge ie Alm with Celica man that'd be amazing at least they obviously have their lovey dovey moments still though can't wait for FE Switch in 2018!

Bonus fact the voice actor for berkut is the same as space dandy

French final coming up Blazing uploads Whelp, I might fail tomorrow

I think the lack of supports is more of a budget/time issue, as this game was kind of made on a tight schedule

echoes' smaller cast definitely made me like it the most from all the fire emblem games ive played. as a player who refuses to let units die (while playing on classic which can be frustrating haha), very large casts usually just leads to fewer characters focused on, fleshed out, and remembered (read: fire emblem fates)

Honestly, I'd give Alm's route an 8.5/10 and Celica's route a 6.5/10 if I were to rate them separately.

I don't know about anyone else, but the level and quality of voice acting in this game has spoiled me to the point where most other game voice acting has been ruined to me. Absolutely stunning production quality for sure! It may be a simple story being told, but I feel that it's told in a phenomenal way. And THANK GOD Tree House didn't touch the localization. I absolutely loved the more semi-adult themed convos. Grey is my spirit animal lol. Hidari's art I'd absolutely stunning as well, it has ruined my expectation for quality of future fire emblem character designs and overall bar for presentation. I had A LOT of fun playing without the weapon triangle, but found my Snipers equipped with a long bow to be monstrously OP, especially on maps where there is a ton of desert and the opponent move makes them sitting ducks. I loved the dungeon exploration, but definitely could have done without a lot of forced encounters. One of the biggest gripes I have about the over map is that I absolutely HATE not having them be optional like in awakening. Having the Zombie choke points to get to and from where you wanted to go on Celicas route got old REALLY quick. I hadn't played Gaiden, so the map design was on the same level as awakening, not great, but not terrible. Again, it makes Snipers + Long Bow = OP.

Echoes is, in all reality, the anti-fates. specifically conquest. great story, and overly boring and frustrating gameplay with several maps being great. but i'd be lying if i say i didn't expect that from the get-go. echoes is a game you need to play in with a certain mindset. and only then once you've seperated it from the rest of the series do you enjoy it to it's fullest. that's what makes it better than fates and awakening in my eyes, as those games suffer from a total identity crisiis, taking the series in a new direction, but at the same time trying too hard to be "fire emblem" Echoes has its own identity and knows what it is. it doesn't try to be any other game (other than gaiden of course) while awakening tried (and failed to be a giant three act epic like RD) and fates tried to hard to outdo awakening. echoes took a flawed game and made it into a game with well... quirks. and honestly i love it. i said that it was the best FE since new mystery and I will stick to that statement. had it gotten a few more months in development, maybe those forced story beats could've been ironed out and made the story on par wit FE6, 7 or 9. (because at this point the fanbase has finally realized how great SS's story is and I love it) but as it stands i'd say echoes is a better fire emblem than awakening and fates, but not a better game. (if that makes any sense. )

I really liked that archers actually had proper range, 1 space away is ridiculous.

Stop beating up on Faye! The game already did an excellent job of absolutely shitting on her. #FayeDidNothingWrong

WOAH!!! Faye is honestly not that bad. Also here comes the SALT Otherwise, keep up the good work Edit: 17 minutes in and I can take this "Worse than Awakening and Conquest" Woah, is this IGN?

Fates really wore thin on me. I dunno about anyone else, but for me, Echoes is much better than the other two 3ds FE games. I felt more challenged in this game than the others, and the gameplay felt more focused. Here's the deal for me. I spent a long time playing Awakening and Fates, and then jumping right into shadow dragon for the first time. So echoes came at a time where I was hoping for echoes to be a much better remake than Shadow dragon, whilst being more focused than Awakening and fates. So for me, it came at the perfect time. fuck shadow dragon btw, i've never been more bored playing a fire emblem game.

I wish they hadn't been _that_ faithful to Gaiden. I like both games but redoing map designs, adding new objectives, including the weapon triangle and adding more new characters and classes could have made it one of the best in the series. Also Berserker!Atlas would have been fucking ripped just saying.

great video bro! keep it up m8.

Why do people hate Faye so much? I find her fine. Bland but not that bad. She kind of reminds me of Amy Rose to be honest.

The maps don't bother this game though. Why? Because it is incredibly role based. You're not using one unit over and over again because Archers eliminate the spellcasters that would destroy cavaliers and knights, mages counter most terrains and units with bad res as well as other mages due to their high res, and you clear the ranged guarding the castle entrance as units like Alm/Celica, the DFs, and the knights/cavaliers storm the castle and kill the units that would otherwise oneshot your mage/archers. The formation based strategy only works in these open fields. Can you even imagine Echoes gameplay mixed with labyrinthine overrated Conquest map designs? I don't think so. Archers would literally be the ONLY unit you use. You get it now?

8/10. If the fused this game's handling of Story and Characters and Conquest's Gameplay, it would be perfect.

I agree with pretty much everything u said. I believe u were a little harsh on the support conversations but whatever. I’d say my ranking of the 3ds games for me are BR

Very interesting points. While I actually 100% agree with you on the positives and negatives about the game, for me the game was overall amazing to me. I can fully admit that Echoes has boring/frustrating map design, is very repetitive in dungeons, and has a few questionable moments in the story, but... I guess it didn't bother me as much? Maybe I was personally just longing for an FE game that was more simplistic, quite unlike Fates Conquest/Revelations. An FE game with a huge focus on well-written characters, nations that aren't just "good" or "evil", and some amazing villains to fight. It gave me exactly what I personally wanted, plus some things I never even knew I wanted (Mila's Turnwheel, combat Arts, etc.) I can legitimately say that it's actually my new favorite FE game because of this, despite the negative things it has. But hey, you're also the one who said Revelations had GOOD map design, and that actually was my LEAST favorite FE game, so yeah. Great video as always! Looking forward to more!

now I'm curious how you would improve this games story. I to think it works well, but there are certain parts that fell a bit contrived. I'll put it on my wish list for future videos.

Great Job! You summarized my thoughts exactly. I have honestly found that some fans have been a bit too quick to defend this game just because it's an older entry in the series despite its flaws. I personally would give it an 8/10. I 100% agree with everything you said, keep up the good work.

Thank you for reviewing this game in an unbiased fashion. I'm tired of people treating this game like the next messiah. Yes, its good, but its not 100% perfect.

Fire emblem Echoes was very unique and amazing. Though like all games, it has some flaws. Unlike most people I didn't really have a problem the maps, no weapon triangle, dungeons, or the story. ( Though I admit sometimes it felt rushed especially in Celica's path) It was mostly about some characters and the lack of support conversations. There was some characters like the Ram villagers that should've been able to talk to each other since they are childhood friends. And then some characters were kind of dull and/or boring like Faye and Silque. You could only really know them when talking to them as Alm or Celica, but even then, you don't get too much out of them.

I honestly prefer Echoes to Conquest for story reasons. And although I agree with most things you mentioned in the video, I really enjoy the supports in Echoes and think both the supports and characters are one of the best aspects of the game. Love the vids ☺

I just love how expressive your avatar is!

Hi I just started playing the GBA fire emblem because of your channel, and until know I'm loving it (even Lyn's story )

Sorry, but I think Echoes is better than Awakening and Conquest. While Awakening and Conquest were great games, I enjoyed Echoes a lot more than them. Edit: Birthright was so boring and easy I stopped playing and didn't finish. I don't think Revelations is as good as Conquest or Awakening, but at least it's better than Birthright.

Personally I disagree with all your negatives but the map design. But I even though the maps are crap, aspects like arts, no weapon triangle or pair up, and the fact you have way more maps really makes it up for me

What’s weird is I actually loved the gameplay, replaying it 3 times in a row within a week lmao. The characters and voice acting are what make it entertaining for me. The battles show their personality and I love the dialogue in battle Also Berkut is one of my favorite villains after Lyon. I don’t even consider Awakening in the general ballpark of how good it was

I played Gaiden in preparation for Echoes, and I loved every minute of that that game. While the maps aren't well designed I thought they were a lot of fun so I automatically enjoyed the maps in Echoes (even more so since they were in HD). What I was anticipating the most in Echoes was the story. The stories in old NES aren't much but there's a lot of thought put into them and Gaiden is no exception. Most of the themes in Echoes are present in Gaiden. They just need to be expended upon. I had no idea what to expect but my expectations were very high. The game went far beyond those expectations within the first few minutes after starting the game. The part that I wanted to be expanded upon the most was act 5 and more importantly the final boss. I loved the themes that result in you killing the final boss (remaining spoiler free). I give this game 10 out of 10. My favorite in the series. Sorry New Mystery of the Emblem.

hey what is your opinion of the development of Metroid Prime 4 for Nintendo Switch?

I would be down so hard on a Genealogy remake. I want my beautiful, fully animated Sigurd X Deidre marriage ceremony, dammit!

Great vid, thanks! New fan of FE looking to swat up 😅

Echoes is still my favorite FE by far. I've never had this much fun playing FE before. People might say it's "hype" but I seriously LOVE this game!

Okay, echoes is the third main fire emblem game I've been able to play, so I haven't played most of them but thanks to blaze and others I know a lot about them (thanks man you really helped my interest in the series.) I will agree with what you said the negatives are to an extent. Level design sucked, especially alm's path and the thabes labyrinth, fuck the 8th and 9th floor, and supports were meh, but story I be it rushed was still pretty good. Oh and involving Faye, still one of the worst no doubt but I just can't hate her for some reason, not sure why. Hell most the characters were better than most the characters in fates, gonna be hunted for that, with fates I just couldn't enjoy most of the characters besides the royals and azura. But really, I mostly enjoyed my time with echoes, like you said blaze it's not the best or worst, right in the middle of what I've seen of the series, just hope FE switch takes the good stuff from all the recent games and keeps the worst out.

Boi the music in this game makes me cry it's so good! Sure the game did have it's flaws but the soundtrack was GORGEOUS and I don't remember there being a single track I disliked. Which was refreshing since I only liked about 2 songs total in Fates that stood out to me as being really good. Echoes' music gave me chills it was so good.

I'm currently trying out Echoes again now that I have the DLC to make grinding easier. First try at the game, I couldn't get past Berkut and Rinoa in chapter 5 whatsoever. I do have a question, though. I just recently got "Awakening", and I'm trying to play through it as well. Any tips for "Awakening" for someone who's previous Fire Emblem experiences were borrowing "Shadow Dragon" for a day and buying "Birthright" (with both other paths as DLC)? Any tips would be helpful.

Blazing Knight what microphone do you use and what other things do you use because I have a blue yeti microphone and I use audacity and for some reason my voice sounds like a record of a video.

why is it that you and me agree on so many things you review... stop being good at review! wait no, stay good, theres a reason why i love your channel

Well done for a really good video! Like you, I'm very much in the middle with Echoes. I like it, but I don't think it's gods gift to Fire Emblem as many people are making it out to be. The stuff that is praiseworthy is really good, but it has flaws that shouldn't be overlooked. Faye is officially my least favourite character since Severa..... I would much rather have Severa bitch at me all day rather than hang out with Faye and listen to an endless triad of how fucking great Alm is. I had to mute the sound on the 3DS whenever Faye achieved anything like levelling up or killing an enemy, since she either said "I will be stronger for you Alm!" or "Did you see that Alm?!" 🙄

I like that they brought the weight equation back. I've had more times where I messed up in Echoes, due to missing something, (unknowingly put Alm in range of Nuibaba's magic... With gargoyles around,) compared to messing up, due to being forced to Exp grind other units a lot, (Awakening, and I heard Fates suffers from the same thing.) I've tried Exp grinding just a little bit in Awakening, but the weight equation being gone, doesn't do that any justice, (and the many supports you could grind in Awakening.) The story mostly got me though, there were a lot more sad moments, and actual humorous moments, instead of someone trying to be humorous, (looking at you, Henry. There were only 3 scenes that hit me in Awakening, and of the three, one of them didn't hit me as hard, as the other two, and of the three, another one simmered down, when I saw there's a chapter where you can recruit her.) Also liked the great terrors, I had to think how to move my units, and who to use against certain ones. The enemies that show up in Awakening look pretty hard, but I won't be able to face them anytime soon, (the enemies stats are maxed out. Won't ever be able to face them, since I stopped playing Awakening.)

Can we get a list where you rank every fire emblem game in order? I'd like to know your opinion

I'm also disappointed that Faye, who has the best character design in Echoes (my opinion) has a shit personality

I like awakening and fates but echoes is so good. i enjoyed it way more then fates. Alm and Celica are some of my fav lords in the series. its gameplay is a little clunky but the story and presentation make up for that. the villains are extremely better then fates. echoes is on my top 5 fe games.

alright, thanks for not bullshitting. I honestly had no idea it was a remake -- my intro to FE was Conquest. Knowing that support conversations are in-game, I guess I should focus on using them. I think my problem with the soundtrack is it's usually the same combat track. Going to have another go at this game because I enjoyed a 3 Houses and Conquest speedrun the other day. But really, I'm out here playing Echoes because my ex lost my Conquest card and bought me Echoes as an apology.

I actually haven't quite finished yet, but over all I'm really liking this game. The Dungeons are fun, the battle is pretty good, and I like the characters, and I liked side quests more then I probably should have. Though I will say that the Overworld enemies were annoying at times, it was fun to have random battles with 1 character while I was using the other, but it go really annoying when I just wanted to Forge 1 weapon and had to fight like 3 of them, especially on the sandy levels. And I wanted more Supports though. I mean I don't need a ton, but they were so quick, and everyone seemed to only have 1 or two. If you just gave everyone 3 to 4 then I'd have been happy with it. As a final note, while I won't say I got 'bored' with the game, but I thin it will be quite a long time until I finally get around to doing a Hard mode run.

It's kind of funny that you'd call Awakening better than Echoes when a lot of the problems you had with Echoes, Awakening has them too. Boring maps? All of Valm and the endgame maps check off this box pretty well. Steamrolling with one character? Gee that's like Awakening's defining feature. Only Route and Defeat the boss missions? Yeah, I love all of Awakening's use of unique map objectives like route and defeat the boss. Now I don't disagree that Echoes has poor level design. It's pretty bad. But I also want to point out that level design isn't just about the maps. Take the two swamp maps in Celica Act four. They play differently because of the enemy and player layout. Echoes is still not that great with mixing the same maps up because lol gaiden. And if Echoes maps feel samey(which they do) then so do Awakenings. Since all the maps there are either bum rush the boss or shit in the middle and wait until all the enemies suicide to you. I'd probably say that their either equal or Echoes takes it by a very slight margin.

What you said about Faye being the worst 3DS character, I fully understand why you think this (she is the only weak link in an otherwise outstanding cast), but I have to disagree. I think Corrin is far worse.

Thanks for this review, I haven't bought the game yet and I have been quite on the fence about it for awhile. But after watching this, it has given me insight on what to look forward to and not so much. I think I will get it and maybe just take my time with it. It looks good but with the flaws I can't see myself sitting through and playing it all in a good week or two.

Believe it or not, Fire Emblem Gaiden was the first game in the series I played through an online emulator. I remember loving the game and I immediately recognized Echoes as a remake of it. Awakening may have been my first real experience as I never finished Gaiden, but as soon as I can I’m getting this game.

This video sums up my thoughts on Echoes perfectly. I liked it, but i always felt kinds iffy. It didin't really give me that feeling Awakening gave me.

7.8 a bad score really? Young people i don't even

6:19 Thank you BLAZINGKNIGHT! I definitely agree, Ian Sinclair deserves it!

This was my first fire emblem game and I greatly enjoyed it. It also opened the way to the other fire emblem games for me.

I've replayed Echoes three times already letting each play through play out the story. Giving the story a lot of critical thought and seeing if I personally think the story is amazing or way too hyped up. I actually really enjoyed the story despite having its shortcomings. For some reason I actually think the maps are quite fun! Especially the act one zofia's castle map. Characters were great (I like Faye come at me Faye haters) overall I loved the game, but that's because of my own personal opinions on games I can acknowledge that a game has a bad story or bad gameplay. My stance on games is I can care less about reviews if I enjoy I game and have fun playing it it doesn't matter how bad or poorly executed it is. The game is fun but everyone should be more open to other opinions despite how polarizing it is keep an open mind. Not everyone thinks a video game should have an amazing story maybe all they want is kick ass gameplay or both. (TBH that idea is really naive on the internet) If your reading this Blazing knight I just want you to know that I do disagree with some of your opinions but I can see your side of the argument and respect them. Plus I respect you for putting up videos that the fan base gets enraged at (I won't act like I don't either) and still be be willing to post videos after the amount of hate you get. Still though I really like a lot of your content most of your top tens and how to improve the story of fates and SAO. Keep doing what you do! 😊

4:41 "Rng in this game isn't great" is a freakin understatement, its HORRIBLE! in my personal opinion it somehow even worse then binding blade and fates rng combined. Which drove me nut during my playthrough

great review, but I have one request. *use the auto-tactics for dull bits, it helps a lot*

It could be possible the full on voice acting was added in later in production so they might have not have had enough time to record a lot of supports.

If echoes was just Alm's route it would be one of the best fe stories

Echoes was okay, not great but it does enough for me to enjoy it. Conquest was better though, completely agree.

Awesome thoughts! Have you beaten Genealogy of the War and also, would you play Thracia 776 after?? FE5 is an underrated gem

There's one map in Echoes that is literally a copy of one from Awakening. It's near the end of Alm's route, and it is a replica from the Paralogue where you get Inigo.

I completely agree with pretty much everything you said. Nice to see an FE youtuber that doesn't praise Echoes just because "Fates sucks". By the way, there are bad FE games. They're called FE1 to FE5 (in my opinion). 17:55 An FE6 remake would be cool, but you know what would be amazing? If they combined FE7 and FE6 into one epic game! I really hope they do this instead of just dedicating one game to Roy's story. I want to know what happened to Lyn and others so bad!

(*WARNING* - This rant is solely about the level design. I got nothing to say about everything else except they are amazing.) The removal of the weapon triangle bummed me out. Now it's just Archers beat Mages, Mages beat everything else, and other units beat other units. It takes a lot of the strategical fun. The experience of being rewarded by using the weapon triangle to your advantage is entirely gone. This shares the same trait with the pair up and bonus damage systems. You're not being rewarded for being smart because you're given nothing to be "smart". Some maps are also boringly designed for you to choke a point, which also makes the gameplay boring while you wait until it ends. Along with that, terrain is seemingly placed randomly across the map. When you question, "Why is there a tree here?" and "If I replace it with plains, how would that change gameplay or aesthetics?", you can see how bad the design is. Take the pillars in the Conquest chapter 27 (right before endgame). They have a purpose! You can retreat from the rooms and get defensive bonuses to have an advantage. It slows enemies so that it takes a while to go in and out of rooms, making it so you are given time before the enemy overwhelms you, and making it so that you can't just escape the room and be done with it. This applies to not only terrain, but also enemy placement and enemy skills (the latter being non-existent). The (lack of) classes is also limited, so all you will have is units playing the same exact roles. BORING. Even Birthright had this! You have enough classes to build a diverse team. It's just mage, archer, and one-range units. Echoes also has no variety in their maps. Rout the enemy all the time. No gimmicks were added. The maps become absolutely uninteresting. There are some good maps, but I cannot stand the overuse of Cantors and movement-restricting terrain. In all, I can't believe that Echoes would have THAT awful level design. I mean, IS should know by now that Gaiden had outdated map design and that the standards were Conquest-level. A lot of people thought it would be at least comparable to Conquest's beautiful design. Fish out of water because it fell face flat because IS couldn't be bothered to make interesting maps instead of recycling outdated af maps.

Shadows of Valentia is probably my favorite 3DS FE game. I'm still grinding through it, it's been hard to find time where I can sit down and really get into it, but I really love it. The map designs have been a pain, in many cases, but I love the dungeons, the focus on the smaller, more personal cast, the world building from visiting villages and finding things like food and weapons. The fact that I don't need to reach level 20 to class up too. Mae and Boey took forever, but I really liked learning new magic as we levelled up and the item skills. I really hope they carry some of this stuff forward. Vgchartz doesn't have good sales figures for the game, barely over half a million from their tracking, so I hope they don't consider it a huge flop and avoid taking any lessons from it. Actually, Metroid did even worse, falling short of half a million by a large margin. I hope this isn't the end of 2D metroid. I really think the Switch being out really hurt these games. Even Pokemon was short if 2 million for what numbers vgchartz had. Though, it seems like that may have only been first week numbers, that page was weird. Still, if Pokemon is barely a million seller, nothing else will even have a chance on the system

18:14-18:43 100% Agreed Also, one of the small things that bothered me in the beginning was that there was no Axe wielding units early in the game. It's no big deal but it's something that I found pretty noticeable because I just like having a balanced team.

Well, here's the order I put the Fire Emblem games I played from my least favorite to favorite: Shadow Dragon, Sacred Stones, Fates Birthright, Fates Conquest, Fates Revelation, Blazing Sword, Echoes-Shadows of Valentia, Awakening, Radiant Dawn, Path of Radiance.

1:45 #JustPlayGiaden

When I think about it, it makes send to remake gaiden because it would be easier to introduce newer fans to the older style. It's got the world map like in awakening as well as villagers having branching promotion paths, and the concept of weapons not breaking

I wonder if I'll like this game or not. I heard about how hard it can be and that scares me a bit. I'll still pick it up but what should I look out for compared to other Fire Emblem games?

I'm so happy that someone shares my EXACT thoughts. I was so tired of people heralding Echoes as god's gift to Fire Emblem

Fire emblem echoes 9/10 a good fire emblem remake with bad maps,some moments are force, and bad dlc but hey it's still good

I personally haven't beaten it yet as I played most of it on my train trip to San Diego California. I found it to be really different from fates, which at the time was literally the only fire emblem game I have personally played. Now note; I played this game during the summer time in San Diego however most of the game was played on a AMTrack train in the cool air of the observation car A.K.A. My favorite car on any express train due to the view. Now just like with fates my brother who now works at game stop got me this game for the trip saying "Good luck even finishing it." I of course gulped and said thanks for the game and oddly enough I was instantly hooked like with birthright. Now I am a filthy casual and are also a brand new fan brought in by fates literally I have sacred stones on my wiiu and have barely touched it due to it being less portable but I absolutely LOVE the insane Sprite work especially with the attacks and can't wait to see the craziness of a Myrmidon or sword master. But I rather enjoy the game I personally give it a 5/10 so in completionest terms a play it.

I had only played Awakening and Fates before playing Echoes, but I love the game to death. Echoes is my favorite 3DS Fire Emblem game. I couldn't put the game down until I finished it. Because I enjoyed Echoes so much, I'm really excited to try out the older FE games.

Echoes is an awesome game! But some of the medals makes you do so many tedious things.... ._.

I got into the series through awakening. A couple months ago, I went back to play the older games like FE7, sacred stones and right now I'm playing PoR. God damn, for some reason they feel so much better than Awakening and especially Fates (fucking despised Fates at times). I loved the simplistic style of echoes and I had a ton of fun. Just beat the postgame on hard classic a few days ago. I don't see why people say you need to lower your standards and remind yourself it was a pretty meh NES game. I expected and got a great game.

Everyone always brings up the disappearance of the weapon triangle but I never paid attention to it anyways

This was my first fe game. I loved it

Am I the only one who didn't think Faye was that bad? I mean she won't be on any top ten lists but I didn't think she was horrible.

I was already turned away by a lot of SoV (I don't like the art design, cinematics or the story) and with the lack of replay value (for me) and old-school design, that doesn't exactly sit promising for me as a purchase. Hearing about the archaic styled maps and combat design, just makes me turn away more. It's a shame because I like a lot of the new stuff too, but it just looks so bland and boring otherwise. I prefer Awakening for it's characters and story, and I prefer Fates for it's design and gameplay. Echoes offers me nothing I want, except a few cool concepts.

People keep on saying that they used the timewheel to reverse RNG, but from my experience the RNG seed stays the same when using the timewheel so making the exact same move will yield the exact same RNG rolls. Something has to change (e.g. attack order, unit position, ecs.) in order to change the outcome.

Path of Radiance and Conquest will forever be my favorite Fire Emblem games. It would be difficult to do better than that. Shadows of Valentia has its share of issues, but I definitely think it's a great game overall. The only two things I would change (aside from what you mentioned because yes to all of that) about it is the class system (specifically that every class can only use one type of weapon, that bugs the shit out of me) and the level up system (grinding to level 20 is a pain and it rarely seems to be worth it).

yeah.... i probably say i didnt really like playing Echoes when i played through it. The presentation was great, the characters are nice and the story i find passable, but the gamplay just killed it for me. There are quite a lot of issues i take with the overlying gameplay but i probably only tackle the biggest problem, the maps. I'm sorry but I would rather even play revelation than actually play through echoes again. yeah, the gimmicks are annoying but at least some of the gimmicks work like the replication map. Echoes map? i honestly cant even remember a single map from this game. at least rev maps were different and actually memorable. here, they all feel the same with the design of the map feeling like it just there to waste your time. Hey, lets have a desert map where most of the encounters is placed in a fort that has no actual desert with the only desert part is actually getting to the fort. Hey, lets have a map with a single choke-point to make players waste more turns. Hey, lets have cantors just spawn infinite enemies with that enemies being all the same class. They wont need to change strategy but it'll least make them spend more time on the game. just oh god. I started the series from blazing sword and have even played the games that didnt even got localized such as genealogy, thracia, and sword of seals. but this is one of the rare occurrences that i didn't thought i wasn't going to beat the game. not because it was too hard, but because it was just so goddamn boring. The only other time was playing through shadow dragon. This isnt my least favorite game, that still be shadow dragon but dang if this game isnt just right behind shadow dragon. I'm glad people were able to enjoy echoes more than i did but it ultimately didn't do anything for me. and honestly, if i see the map design of echoes in the next mainline fire emblem games as well as some of its mechanics(like freaking dungeon crawling and the encounter design in the dungeons), then intelligent system just lost me as a fan who actually buy every game in the series whenever they release a game. so yeah, not a fan of this game XD

Sorry but, Shadow Dragon was a piece of shit.

Just FYI, you could have used warp in that level where you were mentioning only being able to safely retaliate with one unit. at 8:56. I warped barons/dread fighteres in and killed the bow knights.

Echoes was a very pleasant surprise the first time I played it. I loved that it was its own thing and had fantastic elements. Gameplay wise it really surprised me how watered down it was, and I heavily relied on my three bow Knights to do the job (and I've NEVER used Bow Knights in any of the FE games so that says something). Overall, it's like Kieran with Gamble XD