Blizzard is Making a HUGE Mistake (A Small Rant) 

I totally support this, I never got to play WOW growing up, and being able to now in my 30s is cool with WOW Classic, Wrath of The Lich King is my favorite expansion EVER, the introduction of the Death Knight was my favorite, I love DK. I would like to be able to continue to play in Wrath if I want to, and not be forced to to play Cataclysm. Having more options and TBC or Wrath severs would be awesome!

Bro it's been 15 years.... Get off the gaming chair and do something with your life.... Do you wanna keep playing classic classic classic Wotlk when it gets released in 2077 too?

@@Geraldo_Rivian Hell yeah. That sounds awesome.

@@NixxiomOnRU-vid what? The fixing your life? Of being the couch potato for decades more?

@@Geraldo_Rivian Why don't you get off the internet and stop being a crappy troll, do something with YOUR life, you sure you aren't deflecting? Because it sure sounds like it. You don't even know him dude, GTFO. Touch some grass while you're at it too.

Sad but true lol

It is. I was better off playing on a private wrath server in 2019. Sick of waiting around for blizzard to actually, not be stupid. And add some fuckin permanent wrath classic realms already.

ikrrrr..... i think we know better than blizz totally........ at least we dont make mistakessssss....... u reckon???? we classic andies are perfect creation from GOD...... we dont make mistakes like blizzard. amirite though?????

It's sadly extremely common for them. Here we thought hey it's just Bobby dragging Blizzard through the mud and Microsoft will change things, but nope nothing changed or at least not for the better.

So insightful.

I played retail cata in 2010 for a pretty long time. Till the release of dragonsoul raid so that was the last content patch for cata. I did not go back until WoD. I did not want to do panda land. So WoD it was. Played it for a few months and then got burned out like many people in wow do due to the sheer time and effort requirments they place on you. Want to raid? Cool. Go through the game. get gear. Do normals get gear. Cool. Do heroics. Get gear. Cool. Now farm herbs for flasks or pay rediculous sums of gold ont he AH. You also need enchants. Dont have an enchanter? Sorry you. Go pay AH prices.. And gold inflation only got worse each new expansion with peopel makign millions with bots. I got burned out on retail. So i played a private cata server called apollo for a while. Then moved over the a legion servr since i did not play retail legion. Liked legion so joined BfA retail when it came. Played BfA till 8.3 relase. That was the last patch for BfA. By then the bots were bad. The bots now were flocks of 10 druids at a time tapping the node and deactivating it in a nano second. I fly around for an hour at 3am on a monday night trying to get some flowers for flasks for the raid on weds. Could not get any herbs for an hour and a half. So i asked mysel...what the fack are you doign in thsi game? I quit righ then and there. I told the forums whay i quit....due to too many bots taking resources. I got the usualy..bye....see ya...dont let the door hit you ont he way out......and....why are you tellign us... The forum itself, the EU forums has nothing but no lifers there. The usual human garbage that likes to control the flow and feel of the topics. They vote your ass down in the forums and get you gagged. The forum is a nasty place. Punyelf is a piece of shit, human garbage. This guy does nothing but post all day ont eh forums. He has over 57.000 posts. That is all he does. Talk down to people..... Anywat....WoW now....not a good place unless you have tons of bots and are selling gold orruns...then you are makign actual real life cash as people are paying for thsoe runs with real life cash. Sick place that....retail wow...really sick place.

Dont play plain and simple you made wow your life. Shouldnt be that way​@suminshizzles6951

Sounds tough for you bro​@@suminshizzles6951

​@@suminshizzles6951 is it me or? Because in Europe I haven't experienced bots your talking about? Even if I'm rarely playing on retail, and in classic I farm casually and have no such problems, maybe it's worse in the US with bots, I don't know, but I've not seen that here?! But I'm acasual player, so maybe that's fine for me...?

@@suminshizzles6951 Pretty easy to make gold in dragonflight by just doing world quests, that's 15-20k gold every week alone. You don't need a ton of gold to do endgame activities; flasks are 30-50g per, food is 20g, the most expensive enchant is 6-8k. Having your crafted gear made is 5-10k, and you only get 1 piece of crafted gear every two weeks. World quests alone on one character supply you for basically all of your endgame content. And it becomes even easier if you do your world quests on alts and start getting 40k, 60k, 80k a week. It sounds like you haven't played wow in a very long time and have some personal vendetta against some random guy. The reality is that retail wow isn't a place to easily make MASSIVE amounts of gold in the first place unless you're educated on how to make it; you don't just randomly get millions of gold. But unless you're simply interested in buying BMAH mounts or something, why would you care about having so much gold in the first place? You don't need it. That's not really the endgame loop most players care about. What retail players mostly care about is progressing through difficult content, which retail delivers on. M+ and high end raiding are satisfying and challenging, and take very little gold to actually sustain.

agreed, i think TBC is my fav xpac i just love outland so much and i would absolutely play a fresh TBC server. Definitely would like to see them release something like this in the future. Maybe they want SOD to expand into TBC though so idk if they would consider having both.

So Blizzard should make a server for every expansion because everyone has a preference. Why should the Classic team dump resources into just one, or at all?

@@alfredgreybeardseems like you want an argument so here we go. Yes they should.

I mean why not just 1 single server of each? No need to dump more resources into it, just pick a patch version and leave it there.

@@bmw9616 they have done it with vanilla and people aren’t happy. There will be complaints about things being broken, how new content is needed, and a just a clusterfuck to deal with. It will also split players around so much and cause a terrible experience.

@@turdeemi you didn't understand my point silly goose.

They should have done Cata Remix instead. Or have it be it's own sever, but call it "Cata Modern." It feels like Blizzard is listening to some bad advice regarding Cata Classic, but they have made some great accidents too like Plunderstorm

according to the trailer they plan to go all the way to BFA

@@dannyjingu I agree that remixes post Wrath make more sense. The game mechanics were at a level where modern class design basically fits fine, and after Wrath having flex sized raids just makes more sense than all the old raid size versions. Like Legion Remix would be great where all they do is turn back on the legendaries and artifacts.

As long they have a solid player base they will defo release wod, a lot of people wants legion as well, im still surprised they haven’t renamed it “wow restart” yet

@@ZhuDotaI’ll play WoD Classic

yeah i'm always delivering dart boards weekly

Let me guess you watch Thor (Streamer)

​@@Brokengamezone It's kindof hard not to. His shorts are pushed into the reccomended of every single gaming or wow related video.

ummm can i know what does this mean and have to do with the video??? and whats wrong with it?? shouldnt u only fix something that is broken or spoilt?? and broken can mean a wide spectrum of things. class unbalanced can mean broken too. so whats the problem with that motto???

@@xpadeunholydk it was a joke dude, the joke you missed is the fact they throw darts at a sign that says "don't fix what's not broken" kids these days, need to show some restraint

I don't think so, they're splitting the player base so much that they're losing the community aspect of classic wow. The community part is the reason classic is better than retail to most.

@@legischafing7 Then they've already gone too far with how it is now. We already have 4 different versions: retail, classic, classic cata, classic SoD, and that's not counting timed retail versions like Plunderstorm and MoP Remix. And still, not having the option to play TBC/WOTLK just so that there's a forced community aspect isn't the right choice either.

@Enzevil do you eventually want servers for every expansion i.e. from Classic all the way up to retail?

@@ProfoundFamiliarity Not me personally. I enjoyed most of them when they came out, but also feel you can't step in the same river twice, so I just like to play retail to always have something new (even though it isn't perfect either). But again, as Nixxiom pointed out, he and many players want TBC/WOTLK servers, so I think it's good to give players a choice. If that's too much, atleast have those 2 up since they fall under the true Classic versions of WoW because it's pre world revamp.

@@Enzevil I agree, I don't really think of Cata as Classic

Playing Season 1 of SL with all the QoL we got in Season 4 would be awesome!

War Within Classic.

if they fixed all the issues it would be fine

They should make a real Shadowlands expansion with the boss being the Primus, since clearly mister got strings on me is like the henchmen.

I am waiting for without a shadow of sarcasm for Legion Classic. I know Legion is a long way from vanilla WoW but nonetheless I want it and I want it bad.

it has to evolve,would you have been ok with just a graphics overhail?like how they are doing these days in retail with wsg or arathi,updating old zoned but keeping them basicaly the same,also i kinda wish they fixed stuff like westafall being on fire still lol,makes no sense

PvP better, but PvE ruined

@@Giggles4692 lol pve in cata is infintly better than anything before it,i get that baddies cant handle more than one mecanic,but...thats why classic is still there,or heck even retail,normal is pretty easy

Old world was boring anyway

@@goodknight6828 Disgree. Revamp was not nearly as good in my op as the old overworld.

I think there is one on Warmane that has 1 year cycle, i dont know about patches, but it starts fresh every year.

TBC is played more than WOTLK as far as I know. There have always been a lot more TBC servers out there than WOTLK, historically speaking.

@@samuelhakansson6680wrong . TBC servers have always only had less than 1k players only on them at any given moment . TBC is a dead xpac, after every phase, 2 months later it’s a dead game .

@@bryanguerrero3757 source please.

​@@samuelhakansson6680 Source here: since 2013 when i joined my first private server, the comunity constatly asked for a decent pop tbc server that never came. Corecraft didnt even launch. All we had is excalibur that barely had 1k pop during peaks. Played there between 2015 and 2018. Tbc is my favorite expansion but it always dies after tier 5.

Same. Cata was the expansion where my sub started to waver, where I'd play for a month, then take a break for 4-5 months just because I wasn't interested. I made a worgen mage, got to level 6, then went straight to MoP remix because it's more interesting. I was quietly hoping that they would've kept the TBC and WotLK servers separate and alive despite progressing through expansions so we aren't FORCED into expansion that we don't want to play.

I first played during Cata, but my interest is mainly with the expansions before and after it.

same

Alot of us don't But fuck us. And fuck trying to reason with other people who think more options shouldn't exist. Like fuck those people. We want permanent wrath classic servers. But who gives a fuck about us. Definitely not blizzard.

@@qunt100 Yeah, pretty much. I’m interested in stuff after Cata, and I think not doing era servers for at least Wrath is a stupid idea. How hard would it be to just have a couple of extra servers for the era that started Classic WoW?

draw in more people to spend money on their cash shop, those tier sets wont buy themselves.

Be honest, I am playing warmane right now lol. Fuck blizzard.

@@qunt100 i noticed when wotlk was done, the pop of warmane went back up. and it's pretty cool.

I am starting to understand why. I mean i played retail for every new expansion for about 5 months till the eventual burnout that happens as blizzard just makes the game actual work. Actual work like a job with the chores and time you have to spend. I get sick of it and quit only to be drawn back in for the new expansion only to get sick of it again and leave. But the old game does not have tokens. does not have pets and all the oteh shit they now want money for. Modern wow and all its iterations are now just a cash grab. A shameless cash grab.

New Whitemane server ~3 days ago

Is there a good private server that cycles through the expansions, starting with Classic and then progressing to TBC and beyond?

no but I recommend Project Epoch. Have a look at it:) looks interesting

private servers dont use layering because they make a profit by selling vip,it bypasses the que,the top servers all do this,and they fill the game with bots themselves,gdkp does exist as its a good way to make gold,no reason not to do it just cuz its a private server lol,unless the gold is increased ofc and you never need gold

yeah, and they sell wrathful gear or even mounts via visa because *they need to pay the host and the staff* nothing is free...

Like what private server? Any good TBC ones going?

There's a pretty average player base for each exp, the main problem is that tbc being many's favourite was pooped by blizzard, a hasty chance to wotlk. Less Realms (in my opnion fuck specific language realms) and you will see a stable player base on each expansion

@@RyanTurner13311 realm per Xpac is all that’s needed.

Era has a ton of people. Only reason era does not look like it’s super populated is because they made too many servers. Each expansion should have one server per continent. If you combine all the Era servers for USA, then people can actually see how it’s thriving

@@Giggles4692 I mean, define a ton... going by characters that are actively raiding (the only way to gather data and compare), era has 17K active characters, as opposed to WotLK/Cata with 80K, and SoD with 130K. Sure if SoD didn't exist, maybe, but even then. I'm no classic veteran so shoot me, but every time I see people talk about Classic in one way or another the major complaint is raidlogging and whatnot. I feel the whole argument for having all versions of the game always be available rests on a fantasy that everyone will continuously keep up their enthusiasm for that era of the game. I just don't see how people will actively keep playing the same version of a game for a sustained period of time. I'd say its much more healthy to just progress, and going through old expansions seems like a good way to go about it. Where do you stop? Who knows, the players will decide if they play it or not. And at the same time, who says they won't do a BC seasonal, or Wrath seasonal, after SoD ends. Just because WotLK classic is gone doesn't mean Wrath is only gonna be playable ever again on private servers.

​@@San4311I still play era and play on hardcore too.. i never show up in any statistics because i dont raid.. i don't think most people playing vanilla are raiders a this point.

ikrrrr... classic wow is superior over retail wow.... classic wow is the new main wow game and it's totally not because some idiots wanna play the game and its because classic is correcting the mistake of retail.... yes retail wow is a mistake...... ikrrrrr.... if only blizz knows..... and make classic + and invest their time in recycled content...... XD..... retail wow totallly sucked the soul outta the game...... having adventure guide so that people do not need to use atlaslootclassic, a third party addon, is sucking the soul outta the game...... XD..... hmmmm what else....????? having tmogs is bad and making mounts account wide is bad...... awww cryyyyy..... making yourself needing to farm the same mounts again on other alts so that they can use those mounts that u have on ur main is such a good design.... it totally elevates the spirit of playing wow. it's preserving the soul of the game..... XD...... i agree with u man...... all hail classic... classic wow is flawless...... there's nothing wrong with the game at all...... it's made with perfection..... we have to keep glorifying it..... (ignores the countless flaws that suck in classic)..... hmmmmm thats the way...... farming the same mounts on different toons is so fum am i right.... it totally isnt unnecessary and time wasting..... oh yesss.... and i love seal twisting and auto attack simulator with one button rotation.... that is peak mmo design and peak mmo feeling..... mmos are most fun when classes do not need braincells to be played at all and just let the game play it for u by auto attacking...... XD.... if a class in an mmo needs more than one button in the rotation.... IT'S BAD!!!!!! IT SUCKS!!!!!! XD. oh and i cant ignore the paid services..... even though i dont use them....... i cant let people who want to use them have a chance to use them....... if i see it in the game even though i dont use them, ill get AIDS...... my heart will stop pumping as the classic spirit is no longer getting pumped into my bloodstream..... awww cryyyyy....... XD

I played cata classic the last two days. It is a ugly mess. Easy as piss but people in RDF who dont know the meachincs are causign wipes and huge arguments blaming the healers ect. I just unisntalled the game. I am not going back and i played cata in 2010 on retail. I know the game. The game right now has a lot of retail boys who are used to the faster pace but cant deal with the slower cata pace. Us healers are not allowed to drink. Half mana before a pack pull in cata and classic cata is a risk. Not to them. Fack the game. I am done. Uninstalled it. The game now also has a bot problem as there are now flocks and flocks of druids stealing resources. I had trouble getting herbs. So ...no more...no thanks

I play on Turtle WoW and the server isn't perfect at all (woke Reddit mods as moderators on it) but if you just keep to your guild chat and avoid world chat you can manage just fine.

Great comment. You nailed it.

The token and what relasing that says to people is also a matter. Are they stunting gold making opportunities in the game and giving out less godl to players during their playing so they can sell tokens? AH prices were always on teh crazy side and only those with deep pockets or those who constantly checked for the price of an item might get a deal. Otehrwise the item you want or need for a quest is %1000 the price it nees to be. Enchanting rods come to mind. Want to enchant? Cool. Fork over all of your earned cash that you made the last year or make your own blacksmith. I am sure that blacksmithing has it own problems with requiring items from another profession. Which all leads to either more grinds to get the items cheaper by makign them yourself.....buying tokens so you can buy them. Everything in thsi game leads down the path of boosts to lesson time needed todo things. Want that season level 15 mount from mythic plus but cant do the 15 as it is too hard. Buy a bossting run. Yours today for only 609.999k. Retail is a cesspit. It really is and i am not sure i am going to play the war within as all the problems we have now are only goign to get worse. More people buying "boosts since they suck so bad they cant do things and require being hand held through the game so they can show off their cool mount they did not earn. If i cant do it. I dont do it. I spend real life cash on getting it. Trade spam in trade channel. I leave that channel in every major city as soon as i enter. That cesspool of degenerate bots spamming non stop year in year out is digusting. And this i what the game has become. A cash cow for all those still left. I dont even think their are enough whales now to even keep them goign as the "player friendly" changes that we screamed about for the last 20 years are finally cming.....only 20 years too late. Why is that? Subs dropping through the floor since the game requires youi to play it like it is your actual job?

If you dont want vanilla speed, you can start from TBC or Wrath, you cannot start a Blood Elf on vanilla.

Based on player numbers, it doesn’t appear that way

to hard ?

@@XiLock_Alotx Sadly blizzard just preys on like minded fools. They will all be satisfied for awhile to. Then blizzard will piss them off. I just don't know when. And if you think against the crowd. Well, fuck you. That is what I get out of this day in age. IF you have the minority opinion. Fuck you. You want permanent wrath classic servers. Fuck you and your opinion. Like damnit. Fuck anyone who thinks more options shouldn't exist.

​@XiLock_Alotx it's because it just released. The player count drop is coming.

based and same

all Classic has done is woken a deluded dragon and their incessant need to have the real warcraft which never existed. You will have idiots debating until the end of time when real wow died. they never realize that their real wow was never a thing.

Because this company sucks. I gave up on blizzard. I unsubbed a month ago. Like they can't provide me with options. Fine. Fuck em.

@@qunt100 Company sucks, but I still enjoy the gameplay. Tough times.

@@user-kl9bi4jt4t I do to. But blizzard won't respect my interests lol. Like fuck all you people who want permanent wrath or permanent bc servers. Fuck you.

​@@qunt100git good at retail 🤡

Cooled down very quickly though compared to wotlk, we had tame 1-2 hour queues on the first weekend and after that no real queues anymore.

@@k9tirion927 True, true. Pandaria Remix gobbled up the entire playerbase.

when you go to change realms, there should be tabs at the bottom that say classic era, season of discovery and hardcore for the different classic options. :)

Its there dude, along with hardcore, russian etc realms

There are people making millions in real life money with bot farms that would put a digital currecy farm to shame. I think they make retail so hard as to force people to buy tokens so people can buy their level 15 runs in mythic. I will never buy a token and i will never buy a run. but it is also clear to me now that i am pretty much done with wow retail as well. I hate the token sales and what it has done to wow. People have this mentality that they can just buy shit now. Screw earning it.

Just play on a private server.

If you’re ok with hordes of Russian and a bit of Chinese, I really recommend you try uwow legion server. It has progressive realm with a small English community, and it has literally more working content than retail sometimes lol (except some old raids)

You can still play the Legion Expansion. That's part of why Cata classic is so stupid for removing Wrath. Just go to Chromie in Org or Stormwind and timewalk to Legion and do all the questing there. The classes ans game in retail haven't changed as much since legion as they have since Wrath or even Cata.

@@TheGamingBDGR “You can still play the Legion expansion” Counterpoint: Artifact Traits got removed at the end. BfA and Shadowlands can be experienced in Retail without much of them being lost, Legion can’t be. Why are the worse expansions (even if I consider BfA to be better than it’s usually given credit for) allowed to keep their borrowed power mechanics during Timewalking, but Artifacts get screwed over? And there’s also the fact that Shadowlands disabled Legiondary item’s effects, further limiting how much of the expansion you can experience.

Thats because there is is no fresh classic and a few unwanted changes were made, so people have flocked to private servers again. We want the original three permanently, if blizzard wont do it, its fine we can go to the private servers again.

​@@xMorbidArtx"no fresh classic"

@@jordancallahan5893 Yea, a "fresh" classic, dont see what the confusion is.

What it took was quite a few wrong decisions on the part of Blizzard. Both in terms of phase design and lack of priority for sod. People did not leave sod for cata or mop. They just have nothing to do there cause all the interesting content is locked. My sub ends in a few days and I see no reason to renew until phase 4 cause I only resubbed for sod anyway.

@@bspus I mean you're not wrong... But also the cata and mop and stuff certainly didn't help we are all on those instead 😆 hopeful for a strong comeback p4 but who knows

SoDs been dead...and gonna get Even worse when phase 4 comes out in over 3 months

@@skyclaw36 I mean there's like twice as many players in SoD as Cata/WotLK so gonna assume you're trolling 😂 or misinformed

I stopped playing sod after less than a week in phase 3. Well before Cata and MoP. Phase 3 sucking is what killed sod. Phase 2 was pretty mid as well. I don't think sod will be able to recapture the Phase 1 magic

how is this any different from people just quiting tbc to play something else lol,this argument makes no sense

At this very moment you are being proven wrong. This notion that theres a set number of players who switch between versions is silly at best. Theres people out there now not playing who would be if Blizz gave them what they wanted.

agreed

Agreed

I’m not currently playing but I would live and die on a tbc server. It’s the only game for me. Waiting patiently.

The problem with progression servers is that they generally progress too quickly for most players to keep up. I get that some people hit the level cap in a week or two because they have a lot of free time and know everything but the rest of us that only have 2-3 hours a day to put in just can't compete.

how about pvp on by default, you have to manually disable it every time, and it takes 10mins to switch off

Anarchy

Retail is worse. It is a cesspool of sellling runs and gear. It is bad. And blizzard is selling tokens ingame as well as limiting the gold you can earn. They are litterally getting away with crap that is illegal in the real world.

I started at the end of wotlk. So to me that is the wow i know. But i playe dthe last wo days of classic cata and it is not good. Too many bugs. They knew about them in beta. They left them in. It is too easy and they even said they wanted it easy. But dungeons are a mess cos lots of people dont know mechaincs. So lots of wipes . Just dont boher. I just uninstalled it.

To add upon the idea the fun also would be if the transition to another realm would be unlocked if i.g. you beat the Kel'Thusad or Illidan

Nope. Cata is THE last Classic. They said so

I really don't understand this boomers...