Blocking sidewalks isn’t free speech

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"Police do have a role in a free society of allowing people to freely exercise their expressive rights without it devolving into vigilante melee and street combat, like you saw in Weimar, Germany, for example," says Nico Perrino, Executive Vice President of FIRE.
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@Lopfff 27 дней назад

The actual definition of “civil disobedience” is: publicly breaking a law you don’t agree with, with the expressed purpose of being arrested for it. In 1980, smoking weed in the town square, intentionally doing so to be arrested, would have been Civil Disobedience; however, smoking weed at home, and being surprised and disgruntled about being arrested, would not have been Civil Disobedience.

@andybrice2711 26 дней назад

The weird thing is, my generation seem to be shocked when they’re arrested for something which is obviously illegal. Like _”Why are you arresting me for occupying this building?! What about the right to protest?!”_ As if the right to protest somehow gives you the right to break other laws whilst you’re protesting.

@susanjones7734 26 дней назад

If you break the law you should be arrested. You could go around breaking all kinds of laws and call it civil disobedience. I am not going to support your cause if you are violating my rights.

@FDosty 26 дней назад

If you permit protest you must permit counter-protest.

@susanjones7734 26 дней назад

That’s all fine if the protests are peaceful. You cannot allow violence to escalate out of control.

@ronderuiter3298 27 дней назад

I call bullshit on all the protests from that 10 years. Same outfits, same temperament, same tactics and I believe same people. Only difference is the words on the banners (same font though)

@HardcoreFourSix 27 дней назад

If your "protest" infringes on the rights of non-protesters, then that should be unlawful. No blocking raods, airports, sidwalks, etc without first obtaining a permit.

@genericscout5408 27 дней назад

boycotts are at the heart of any useful protest.

@ericshelby8813 21 день назад

From the river to the sea, we're as dumb as dumb can be!

@ridingwilding760 27 дней назад

Some of these encampments also did quite a bit of damage to buildings, many of the people apart of the encampment weren’t students or apart of the university and the control of sidewalks all seem beyond freedom of speech. I really have a difficult time with the idea that a mob of children basically holding their breath and having a temper tantrum are given so much latitude. There needs to be a way for students to have a March or something without the juvenile drama. Personally if the students want to be heard then they should be going into the school to speak to the administration not the other way around. And security set up around the encampment with strict boundaries that cannot be crossed. You want to have this demonstration fine but her are the figurative and literal boundaries that have to be adhered to. The moment someone breaks them then you are all required to leave peacefully before being….. arrested, suspended, etc.

@davidswanson5669 27 дней назад

Yeah, I don’t like mob behavior, even when I like the cause of the protest (such as in this case), because it causes both sides to look for any excuse to provoke or react suddenly. Instead it should be mostly sitdowns, where you have time to contemplate or listen to someone discuss, and while allowing people free movement around you or through you. However, just like the Canadian trucker blockade, these university protests are largely misportrayed as being violent mob events, by those who opposed the message.

@edmunddengler7687 26 дней назад

So, to confirm, you had the same response to BLM and Antifa protests which went way beyond what the Palestinian protests have done? And the Canadian trucker protests and European farmers protests? And the Civil rights movement of the 1960s?

@susanjones7734 26 дней назад

@@edmunddengler7687It doesn’t matter what the cause is. We cannot allow violence to escalate. People are going to get hurt and we cannot allow that to happen.

@edmunddengler7687 26 дней назад

@@susanjones7734 So, to confirm, you had the same response to BLM? And actually said it out loud?

@concilium1 27 дней назад

Suspending “protesters” doesn’t remove them nor does it prevent them from blocking/assaulting people.

@emperorpicard4901 26 дней назад

Its weird how people use the GOT "Shame" reference in their protest when the point of that scene was to show how bad such behavior was, not something to be emulated.

@4850937 26 дней назад

No harassing. If I'm blocked, I can't get to point b, to deliver my "I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit" speech on time.

@realstatistician 26 дней назад

I don’t think universities should have any “jurisdiction.” It’s not a school’s job to enforce the law. If it’s a private university then sure, the administrators can decide whether people can camp out (dependent on the laws of the city, which probably do allow that on private land (check zoning though)); but if it’s a public university then citizens complaining to law enforcement should compel the law enforcement to come intervene, without needing any “permission” from the admins. Particularly because there are non-students involved. The university can’t really do anything against the non-students without local police.

@edmunddengler7687 27 дней назад

So by your standards, the Canadian trucker protest and all the farmers protests are and were illegitimate, right?

@andybrice2711 26 дней назад

Depends. They have legitimate concerns. But if they're deliberately blocking roads in an act of civil disobedience, then they can reasonably expect to get arrested.

@edmunddengler7687 26 дней назад

@@andybrice2711 I can accept that argument if you were consistent whether it was a group you agreed with or a group you disagreed with, but most people have majorly different rules depending on their viewpoint for different groups. It also requires that the government not do differential enforcement, and given the vast leniency given to the BLM rioters in 2020, that is clearly not the case. Reason has not shown such consistency.

@andybrice2711 26 дней назад

@@edmunddengler7687 I think I’m entirely consistent on this issue. I did somewhat agree with the truckers, insofar as I oppose vaccine mandates. I think if a protest is large enough, you should permit some disruption. But if people are deliberately blocking roads to cause added chaos, then there should be legal repercussions.

@andybrice2711 26 дней назад

@@edmunddengler7687 Likewise. I have some sympathy with the anti-Israel protestors. I do not support Israel’s foreign policy. And maybe some kind of boycott would be reasonable. But regardless of your cause, you should not be permitted to occupy civic buildings, or set up encampments in public spaces.

@edmunddengler7687 26 дней назад

@@andybrice2711 So, to confirm, you had the same views re BLM and Antifa that they should be stopped and arrests made when they went WAY beyond what is happening with the current Palestinian protests? One of the biggest issues here is when does tyranny of the majority goes too far, and even violent protest is the only reasonable response. See various French riots where government tyranny by elites is creating massive hardships for regular people.

@4850937 26 дней назад

From the river to the sea, Al Jazeera should speak free. Israel blocked them. Harassment is bad.

@twinkletoes6290 26 дней назад

🙄

@royboyx2 27 дней назад

After viewing this clip, I'm wondering if "Rationalization" might be a better name for your org.

@va3svd 26 дней назад

Um, no? Having a discussion about freedom of speech doesn’t necessarily entail taking a side in a debate.

@andybrice2711 26 дней назад

I think a reasonable approach to encampments is to say: _"You're free to protest here. And we will not attempt to stop you or move you. But you have to pack up the tents, or we will send in police to remove them."_

@geraldking4080 24 дня назад

Nothing shows the courage of your convictions like hiding your face.

@DanielBuhler 27 дней назад

What's the point of a protest if it is happening off to the side where no one can see it?

@BastiatC 27 дней назад

You can be seen without restraining people

@bellowingsilence 27 дней назад

That doesn’t even really address the actual ethics of blocking roads and sidewalks during a protest. One doesn’t need to block a road or sidewalk to be noticed while protesting.

@theBear89451 27 дней назад

Yes, illegal protests are effective if the issue being protested is unknown to the general public. When the issue has media coverage, illegal protests are counterproductive.

@Koyaanis 27 дней назад

@@theBear89451no, illegal protests are never effective because by definition they infringe upon the rights of non-protestors which not only does nothing to promote the cause but is also unethical. Protesting that doesn’t infringe on non-protestors’ rights on the other hand can still be visible and make an impact, and does so morally.

@andybrice2711 26 дней назад

If a protest is so large that it unavoidably blocks public routes, then fair enough. But that was not the case here. These protestors were creating deliberate barricades.