the mastering is sometimes more important than the format: a well mastered 16 bit 44.1 kHz CD can sound much better than a bad mastered blu ray audio(24 bit 96kHz) !!
The Loudness War ruined the master of a lot of modern CD releases. The DVD Audio and Blu Ray can sound better must due to its better master, although the High Resolution brings also an increase in sound quality.
Got to disagree here, HiRes means nothing if the mastering is crap. It’s physically impossible to tell the difference between 16bit or 24bit, etc. the CD was designed to be at the limit of human hearing (16bit, 44KHz). Anything else is pointless.
Great video. I think every band should be fighting for every album to be mastered for and released on Blu-ray Audio as it's the best way to get closer reproduction of the original studio audio. It drives me nuts that everyone goes after vinyl primarily because it has 'cool' factor, ignoring qualitative authenticity.
Thanks, yes that is partially true but remember, it is thanks to that hype that major investments are finally made again for vinyl. Hopefully we will be seeing soon the evolution of this format with HD vinyl. Check this vid I made for more info: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HCOseLGISRU.html
People go Vinyl because it’s a multi-sense experience. You get to see giant artwork, handle a disc and actively set up a dedicated player just to listen to it. It becomes an event that you focus on, rather than just have music shuffling in the background whilst doing something else. People like owning stuff which is incredibly rare in a world where everything is held hostage through digital subscriptions.
For me good mixing and surround option are the main reason for BD Audio. Also blu-ray audio is only as good as the source material or the master tapes. It's not always about high resolution, but preserving the original recording as closely as possible.
Big Multichannel fan. Abby Road is awesome. I love it when the isolate the main vocals in the center channel. It sounds like there standing right there.
I once ripped Blueray copy of Dark Side OF The Moon to RTR with all channels running down mixed to a 2 channel digital transferred to a DAT tape digitally and the final output in analog from the DAT to RTR. It sounded awesome! It still sounds better than any other 2 channel format tape disc, or LP I have. It's very bold sounding and shakes the house when the song Time starts playing and all that deep rich bass when the first cord is hit right after the metronome pulse sound! I have the 48kHZ PCM DAT tape for long storage when I wear out the RTR so I can make another.
Interesting! Why did you send the signal first to DAT, apart for storage reasons? Why not send it directly to R2R to get the maximum amount of info on the tape?
I used said DAT to preserve the original digital recording from the DAC and coming from the PC to have a better transfer without the artifacts of analog tape affecting the Dynamics of the original recording when down mixed. I want to have artifacts of analog only in the final recording. The.DAT has a better extraction of the sound from the DAC when played back in analog.
The higher end Sony Blu Ray players accommodate SACD which deals with high end reproduction. I would beg to differ with you on the Pure Audio Quadrophenia. It is superb! The quality is way above any other versions that I have heard and totally immersive in 5.1 surround. Another one to collect is A Night at the Opera by Queen it totally kicks ass in 5.1.
Very informative as usual from you. I like the way you balance between technology and the music itself in a very articulate manner. Keep up the good work!
Blu Ray..."Allman Brothers At Fillmore East" was remastered and the two guitars raised in the mix. The new focus, I think, provides some of the clearest, most visceral and powerful recorded guitar sound I've ever heard.
With proper mastering and by using Professional, Studio Quality Tape Decks, I managed to make a standard Audio Compact Cassette Tape sound no different than SA-CD. People don't have to believe me, saying it from my own personal experience.
A lot of Pure Audio Blu Rays are going away. I had to order Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road from an eBay seller. The multi-channel surround is quite impressive. Unfortunately, it has become increasingly hard to find EJ's early work and some were never released in HD multichannel. Notably, Blue Moves, Don't Shoot me I'm Only the Piano Player and Caribou.
@@johnbailey9408 the Sony UBP-X800 plays both SACD and DVD Audio. I just bought one and works great. And plays right out of the HDMI port, so no extra cables.
I have only just watched this and as an owner of quite a lot of Pure Audios I found it interesting. But unless I missed it you failed to mention one major positive with Blu ray: the storage capacity. I have Blu rays that have some 16 hours of music on one single disc. That is very conveniant when listening to long operas for instance.
From optical media format, Blu-ray discs remain my favorite disc format. Unlike DVD's and especially CD's which is like jewelry, must be handled extremely careful, otherwise they will end up scratched up. Blu-ray, on the other hand is coated with special formulation, which keeps it scratch resistant. Same goes for HVD ( Holographic Versatile Disc ) something most of you haven't heard of. It's a Yellow Disc, read by not one but three laser beams: Red, Green and Blue (Violet). Capable of Holographic Video and Holds 1 to 10 T.B. Terabytes of data. Wonder whatever happened to that disc format. Would definitely love to see what that disc is capable of.
Just discovered YOUR channel! Thank you for addressing the BluRay audio disc! I have an Oppo 203 and I LOVE the Naxos BluRay releases. The GERSHWIN with Maestro JoAnn Falletta and the Copland with Maestro Slatkin are fantastic in either stereo OR multi channel, and you can flip them from your remote instantly ! I stopped buying NEW vinyl (running out of storage space now) and pretty much ordering BluRay and CD's.... One other note. Reference Recordings is STILL selling DVD-R discs from their classical library and these play directly on only a few players with Oppo being one of them along with some upscale Sony players.
I'm a Two Channel guy but 2L Multichannel editions sounds terrific in 2.0 mode. Because the take extremely care with the building - rooms, the musicians placement and the amount, type and location of their magnificent microphones set so you can perceive the atmosphere, reverb even the spirituality of the hall in 2 channel listening.
Nice vid as always!! I have some BD-audios in my collection and I have mixed feelings about them just like you but... multichannel tracks aside, I don't really think they are or do anything special at technical level... in fact, I ripped some of their highres tracks on my Mac using an app called "DVD Audio Extractor" and then I converted them to Redbook to be able to burn them on a CD-R and listen to it on my CD player and be able to compare them... well, thing is I prefer the redbook versions every time I tried!!! I did all these comparisons using my Oppo 105D and my Cambridge Audio 840C... and man I prefer the redbook version every time, don't know exactly why!! I suspect its something related to the dithering applied by the converter when the highres file is downsampled to redbook... or maybe my DACs are better handling redbook than highres I don't know. But the truth is, I kinda lost my faith in high res PCM based formats like BD Audio... because the same thing can be achieved using redbook and redbook is a simpler, cheaper and more elegant solution than BD Audio. I think We don't give redbook all the love it really deserves... It still amazes me how Philips came up with such a great format in 1980!! We don't even had the C64 back then!!!! Incredible... oops sorry the digression... have a happy 2020 my friend your channel is SUPERB and UNIQUE!!
Many of us never gave up on multibit PCM because as Schiit's Mike Moffat points out: a) 99% of digital audio is either Red Book 16/44.1 or a compressed version (AAC or other MP3), and b) only multibit preserves a bit-for-bit copy of the original data. The nearly universal sigma-delta DAC's do successive approximations. In addition they have a lot of ultrasonic noise to filter out, much more than just the sampling frequency.
@@1mctous Super Interesting, yes. That's totally true, Delta-Sigma's alter original data converting it to something more akin to DSD than to PCM... sadly I don't have a Multibit DAC yet, I have several DACs but all of them are Delta-Sigmas... I really want to buy an R2R one and do these comparisons again... I suspect redbook will sound even better with it.
There are some unscrupulous record companies that just ripped CDs into a high-res format. Caveat emptor. Yet, when done right, hi-res can offer noticeably better sound if the mastering is done well AND if it is played on a system that has the capability to resolve the fine details..
Running 2 Oppo's (model 103) one for surround and one for stereo on different systems. Supertramp in Blu-Ray Pure Audio sound awesome. Great Format to use along with DVD-Audio and SACD to help fill out a Hi-Res music library.
Good article- i have been meaning to get into BluRaycAudio for some time now, but the second hand cost of decent titles seems almost as high ( or even higher sonetimes ) than DVD Audio or good SACD's. You never see Bluray Audio or DVD Audio titles in charity shops ( some SACD titles appear as the staff do not realise what they are). Keep up the good work and the great videos.
I wish far more surround titles were released on Blu-ray Audio. I am only producing my compositions in surround sound now. Such a great and unique listening experience.
Step 1: Go to hd tracks and download your hi-res files. Step 2: Author those files onto blu-ray blank media (don't burn a data disc) Step 3: That's blu-ray audio. No different than downloading 16bit 44.1khz files and authoring to redbook (not data disc).
I've just bought the ultimate BD-player Oppo BD-205 and have collecting a few titles the Immersion Boxes of DSOTM and WYWH and many titles of Steven Wilson latest projects. Also David Gilmour Live at Pompeji and Marillion Live at RAH 2018, both just amazingly good both sound and picture. I really i´like the format when it can combine both excellent sound and picture and mostly I'm listening in 2.1 mode and I might move into 5.1 later but don't feel it is necessery right now.
Easily my favorite of all the videos you've done - clear, concise (!) and immensely helpful. Four thumbs up ! If I have a criticism, its not of anything you've said here but of the cyclopean attitude of some of the commenters below. Audiophiles are a tiny niche within whatever market is still out there for optical drives of ANY description - even UHD Blu Ray movies tend to get played once or twice then left on a shelf for eternity. Even the reviewers seem to dig their favorites out to play a scene or two when they're reviewing a new player - compare that to favorite albums which often get played thousands of times. About the only thing driving BD movies of any fidelity in Australia seems to be the incredible appetite for new 4K and 8K TVs at reasonable prices, but I have to admit that my UHD copy of Blade Runner 2049 sits forlornly to the side of my TV while I watch the cricket - hardly a great investment. That said, I will keep an eye out for BD-Audio releases from artists that I like.
Great video! Tom Petty also released Mojo, Damn the Torpedoes and the Live Anthology on Blu Ray. Would love to hear your thoughts on these if you ever pick them up.
A lot has changed since you made this video there are companies in the UK that are now remastering SACDs sometimes there are even two albums on one SACD from artists such as Earth Wind & Fire and the Isley Brothers. Super deluxe editions now have regular releases of classic albums in Dolby Atmos on Blu-ray. Everything from Soft Cell Non-Stop Erotica,ABCs The Lexicon Of Love (five versions including a full instrumental) through to new releases such as Tears For Fears The Tipping Point and the up-and-coming Paul Young classic album No Parlez (five versions including a full instrumental) and it's already sold out. Steven Wilson is going back to the eight track masters and removing the loudness emphasis so it should have a true audio file sound quality - he's doing a Great job 👍😎
To my knowledge, all Blu-Ray audio CDs have video. The reason being that it still uses the video standards for production. This is so they can easily using Dolby Surround and the like. I find this interesting because it means that, theoretically, one of these Blu-Ray audio CDs could come out with a Dolby Atmos soundtrack which would be AMAZING. Edit: "Blu-Ray is PCM" This is...well it's only sometimes true. Technically, Blu-Ray audio supports any audio that would be supported on a Blu-Ray movie which also includes codecs like DTS X and such; so you can theoretically get a Blu-Ray audio CD that does not have PCM.
No, it's just PCM. It can have or not a video part. DTS and any other codec you are mentioning is all PCM. If it isn't PCM it is DSD, therefore it would be a SACD.
@@anadialog I think it's very misleading to say it is "just" PCM. First, technically all music is PCM. That's how music is defined digitally. MP3, OGG, ***everything*** is encoded in PCM. As you say, the only format that doesn't use PCM is DSD, which uses Pulse-density modulation or PDM. Literally no other format uses PDM. None. Maybe some niche appliance, but no consumer-facing devices other than SACD. The reason why I want to distinguish between just plain PCM and DTS/Dolby codecs is that these codecs store information that is non-audio information. Things like channel format, audio location data in the case of ATMOS, language information, and potentially even track information. This is important because some of this information is only really available or possible on Blu-Ray CDs because they use these encodings. Atmos encoding, specifically, is exclusive to these fancy little guys. PCM audio as it may be, it is far more in addition to that. As for video; I really only have 1 set of discs to test, but in my instance the CDs very clearly had video information stored on them. It wasn't useful video information, it was a single image simply packaged into an HVEC codec, but it was still video and still took up *significant* space because of it (actually nearly 4 GB of data, which was ridiculous). For reference, I'm using The Lord of the Rings: The Complete Recordings collection's blu-ray audio DVDs as reference. Maybe I'll pick up another blu-ray cd, but not many of them strike my fancy.
I buy every Blu-ray audio title I can get. I agree that they are hit or miss. I buy sacd too, which seem to have a higher hit to miss ratio in my limited collection.
@@anadialog played it for my pops and he's never liked Van but he said it "Damn that SOunded bad a$$". I have the Beatles 1 album on bluray Audio also. WHile it sounds good. They improved the bass since it was very lacking on CD. But i didnt care for the surround mix. Im used to vocals being on the left channel or right channel or them flip flopping from lef to right. But on the 5.1 mix the vocals are in the cneter channel only. So for that particular blu ray audio i set it to blu ray stereo. Very very great
My favorite Blu-ray audio is probably Steven Wilson the Raven refuse to sing the door singles has a great original quad mix to it and the power and the glory by gentle giant a great mix by Steven Wilson I have the Blu-ray of dark side of the moon immersion box set but there's a problem with the disc it doesn't play on my Xbox 1 s anymore I think there's a problem with pressing. But the DVD is great also from the box set. Keep up the great work with your videos 👍👍
Hallo, I have just ordered John Williams' concert in Berlin as a blu ray Audio. I'm pretty sure that this will provide perfekt sound quality. A great orchestra in a great concert hall I guess. I use a Sony blu ray player which is also able to play dsd ... I hope it has a very good sound quality, I'm very pleased for 200€ costs
My list of recommendations Beck - Sea Change Brian Eno - FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On Love and Rockets - Seventh Dream of Teenage Heaven XTC - Drums & Wires
Acoustic Sounds are coming out with a Talking Heads Atmos remix on a 3 disc blue ray set that should be interesting for those with Atmos home theater surround systems.
One thing you have to be aware of. If you listen with headphones connected to a headphone amp that is connected to a bluray player via coax or optical the audio wiill be throttled down to 56 KHz, not much better than cd quality. This is mandated in the bluray standard. You need to rip the bluray audio to flac files to listen to the full resolution.
Good point, but slightly different from what you said. In general, all high-resolution players (blu-ray, but also SACD, DVD-Audio etc.) do not allow to export the digital signal to an external DAC for copyright issues. But they are solutions to bypass this...maybe in a future video! ;-)
ANA[DIA]LOG Definitely do this as a video. Much easier to do these days, many disc players support direct rips now. I think this community would also be able to contribute a wealth of experience and best practice too. Great channel, keep going!
I read that; since Blu-ray Audio, SACD, and DVD-Audio disks were only for sell at places like Best Buy and Circuit City stores. that helped them not much of an market next to the DRM on the disks.
SACD's were backwards compatible with any device that playes standard CD's, you just needed a compatible device to take advantage of the SACD's capabilities.
ANA[DIA]LOG guy. I am 62. In the 70's some Albums were Quad Sound .They were great. The 8 track Quad sounded better.Later on we had DTS 5.1audio.Like The Police R.E.M. BLUE MAN GROUP and others. Video greatest hits and live on DVD.DTS 5.1 Like Inxs The Police ,Peter Gabriel, Genesis. I love DTS. We also have Stereo, Dobly Digital,LPCM,Mono,2.1(What The HELL)and Dolby Digital 5.1. Sound comes in Center Speaker or 2 Speakers.I LOVE DTS 5.1 I bought The Essential Johnny Cash 360 Sound. You can hear every instrument at home and in the car. Tom Jones Greatest Hits Ultra Sound. Great at home or car. When I was a kid loved bubble gum music. Still love old bubble gum. I wish they could take The Monkess,The Partridge Family. Take songs/video from their shows and put them on Blue-Ray HD DTS Greatest Hits.Also artist Greatest Hits on DVD should be on Blue-Ray. When I was 16 An album came out from Neil Diamond Jonathan Livingston Seagull. Played it 4 ever. In my 30's found the CD. Played in car and home 4 ever. Later the movie came out on DVD Dolby Digital Mono (What The HELL)sound came in from Center speaker. Wish the movie come out on Blue-Ray HD DTS just to hear the Soundtrack. Now Neil Diamond The Jazz Singer came out DVD Dolby Digital 2.0(What The HELL)It has Jump to song. Needs to be on Blue -Ray just for the soundtrack. One day I found Genesis ...AND THEN THERE WAS THREE 2 disc CD Stereo DVD DTS 5.1 It included live and a video of Follow You Follow Me. Was 18 when the song was a hit. I have Eurythmics,Erasure,The Human League and Depeche Mode DVD hits LPCM (NOT HAPPY) Would like to hear all of Pink Floyd in DTS or HD DTS Neil Young Like A Hurricane in DTS or HD DTS. OMD is my FAVORITE group.Wish they could release all music and videos on DTS or HD DTS.
I recently bought the BluRay version of Momentary Lapse of Reason and felt gotten. I liked the 80s reverb. Though what got me a little soured on the format is the pain in the tush it is to try to rip it to digital. CDs are no sweat to rip. Even when I could figure out how to rip the PCM and DTS-HD off of the disc, which BTW I had to use two pieces of software in conjunction since it's copy protected, I couldn't read it. I can't find anything to convert it as it's raw PCM without even a .wav shell. Darn shame too. Guess I'll stick to Qobuz etc for now.
I have the "Luca Turilli - Prometheus, Symphonia Ignis Divinus" on Blu ray Pure Audio (7.1 Dolby Atmos - Best Dynamic Range) and 24 bits PCM (Bad Dynamic Range). This is the the method that I rip a Blu Ray Pure Audio: 1. Make MKV (remove Blu ray protection) to extract the 7.1 audio 2. DVD audio extractor (Output format - direct stream demux) = THD file (none audio player can play it) 3. THD file converted to PCM by EZCD audio converter Any way to do a better and simple rip? Thanks!
Inxs -KICK is amazing. Also if you like a little more rock, the Soundgarden - Bad Motor Finger set is my favorite box set I have that includes the blu audio in different versions.
To be fair, some of the relevant discs also contain video. It could be music videos, interviews with the artist, a glimpse at the studio production, etc. If the true high resolution audio is on the disc it's worth a look. For example, the 2019 release of In The Court of the Crimson King (a multidisc set that includes the content on standard CDs as well as a high resolution Blu-Ray disc) includes a short video clip on the Blu-Ray, but you're going to buy that for the music. Surround sound is likely to come in the form of an encoded lossless format like Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio rather than as PCM because more players and A/V receivers know how to handle those formats. For normal playback you need an A/V receiver that can decode them. On your computer, there is software that can decode those files into multichannel PCM.
I came up with something like this when Napster hit for a project in college. Music has to compete with so many other new distractions, it's losing ground.
Onkyo owns Pioneer 😥 But your right Pioneer makes awesome Players I bought a bran new bluray player and got it set up in 2 ch mode and it doesnt come close to my ears to my old Pioneer DV 578 When i'm not listing to SACD i only use as a transport to my DAC . But at the end of the day it comes down to the actual recording regarless of format 😆 i have cds and HDCDs that sound way better than my sacds but maybe its the sony chip in my transport idk but this recordings is 👑
A lot of movies come with DTS-HD MA tracks, so there is enough room on a 50 GB dual layer BD. Game of Thrones season 8 comes with Dolby Atmos. Plenty of concerts have been released on a BD with DTS-HD MA. Storage wise you could store several hours of audio only on a 50 GB dual layer BD.
Yes, but even if they use these quality codecs, they are kept at a low sampling rate and bit depth. Check for yourself. Almost all video blurays are 48Khz with 16 to 20 bits. Sometimes 24.
People still been fooled about these formats!! Please save your money, and stick only with CDs; CDs have the best uncompressed 2channels audio the human ear can hear, as you will not notice any difference between 44/16 uncompressed audio (audio CDs standard) and any higher resolution audio. The only other factor that will play the most important role of sound quality, is the way the music in the CD was remastered back in the recording studio, and how the mastering guy in the studio master the music in a way without brickwalling it and with keeping its dynamic range within the optimal range. Hope this is clarifying .... Thx
Someone test demo a SACD Pink floyd -other side of the Moon versus CD version, Immediate audible difference on the vocals. SACD cleaner and more detailed. Years ago, I downloaded a Eight gb file 18 min Mozart early Sym, the bow attack is so eerily fast and jumpy. I need an expander on my telarcs and MFSL to make it sound like that, I think. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you concerning records that are heavily compressed or it's master tapes are awful. Garbage in garbage out
THere is a difference. But you do need higher end equipment/ processor / speakers etc for it to really shine. But also they are mixed in surround sound. so instruments are coming from all around not just a left / right speaker. but you are in the center of it all.
@@anadialog - a cheap, yet effective, way in for SACD and 24/192 DACs was some Sony Models from 2010/11. e.g, BDP-S370 (2010), 380 / 480(3D) (2011 - dropped toslink). They of course do DD and DTS multi-channel too. I have a 370 from the day and a 380 i picked up cheaply since. A little ambiguous but I think they convert DSD to PCM for digital coaxial SPDIF(?). There is a setting for desired HDMI audio output (PCM/DSD) if connecting to a DSD capable Amp. I don't have a DSD Amp but for SACD use coax out. The sound for SACD (stereo) is clearly better than CD. I do have Pink Floyd - The Endless River (BluRay, 24/96 - too) which plays superbly whether 2-channel to my stereo or 5.1 PCM or DTS to my multi-channel soundbar(3)/sub(.1)/rears(2). I don't think I've ever tried SACD multi-channel via this rig - must try 😀
@@anadialog PS - The 370 is DLNA too but I think it's just a Player vs Renderer and you need a dongle for wireless. Looks like they dropped DLNA for the 2011 models! I don't use mine for streaming - other devices / methods. (edit) Additonally it hadles mp3, m4a, wma and wav ... so you'd have to transcode flac at the Server.
@@anadialog Yup - SACD (DSD Multi) only comes through as PCM Multi (still OK, via HDMI) as my Soundbar/Surround not DSD capable. The Multi-Channel signal is also processed/passed over coax to my 2-channel amp (as PCM) - louder (at least) when BluRay set to output only DSD 2ch.
Salve. : Forse ho compreso il perché capisco abbastanza bene, il tuo parlare Anglosassone, peraltro pronunciato alla perfezione.- Infatti la costruzione del tuo frasario, rispecchia quasi fedelmente la dicitura della lingua italiana, facilitando così la comprensione di una Lingua inglese, anche solo di terza Media.- È così che riesco ad apprezzare i tuoi interessanti argomenti, di tecnica Audio Hi-Fi, nonché quelli Musicali.- Ti ringrazio molto.-: Aldo.
I have not tried Blu Ray audio so look forward to any player recommendations you may have, it's also worth noting that SACD's are still being produced, mainly in Japan.
I listed a few players in the video description. Yes of course, I still buy SACD but they are much more known that is why I am waiting to do a video on them for last
@@anadialog Sorry I missed the list in the description, thanks! I recall when made the Oppo machines were very highly regarded and I believe SACD compatible too
PS Audios transports are among the best, making cds sound better than high res on other high end players. When playing high res on a PS Audio transport, you get sound quality you will not hear even at high end exhibitions. Jewel has got a great blu-ray 2 concert acoustic 24/96 DTS-MA that is gem in both sound quality and performance. It is a picture/video disc filmed in IMAX
Recommend Steven Wilson's "To the Bone" and "Hand cannot erase" both on Blu-Ray 5.1 Audio. Also Amazon Music now also got Dolby Atmos streaming of stuff like Abbey Road from the Beatles categorised as 3D music and Tidal also started 360 Audio so looks like streaming catching up with 5.1 Blu-Ray.
Cool...but how many subscriptions do we need to have our music? Plus, not everyone has a good computer+DAC so a good multi format player IMHO is still in the game...
Hey! I've never heard of Blu-ray Audio & it sounds awesome! Not to assume, but I'm guessing playing a cd in a blu ray player sound has lower quality audio compared to playing a blu ray audio disc? Similarly I prefer stereo for music listening. The surround sound feature of some dvd audio disc are good, others not so much. Can you listen to a blu ray audio disc in both stereo as well as surround?
With regards multichannel stuff (where you'd be using an AV amplifier), the manufacturer of the player shouldn't really matter. Especially with the lossless compression formats (DTS-HD MA, Dolby True HD) that are present on these Blu-rays. As long as the player can bitstream out via HDMI, to a suitable AV amp, the BD player essentially acts as a digital transport. That's the beauty of this format, the player can be an el-cheapo supermarket jobbie. A high end Oppo will bitstream no differently to a cheap Panny. Neither player can alter the bitstream output, or it simply wouldn't work. Granted, if you're decoding 'on board' the BD player to analog, then yes, you're at the mercy of the BD players DACs. But BD-Audio gets you into hi-res multichannel audio so cheaply.
Thank you for the good information. I am very interested in Blu-ray audio. Please introduce me to a Blu-ray audio device that produces good sound. (From Korea)
Hi there and thanks for your comments. Well, it’s difficult. If you manage to get an old Oppo 105D or 205D that would be an excellent choice. Current solutions are restricted although in older comments I did point out some models as well as other viewers. Pioneer, Marantz, Naim, Sony still make very good ones for example but more audiophile oriented choices are hard to find.
I have Supertramp's Crime of Century blu ray audio. It is not good that I hope. I agree with you that few of them is good . I haven't got suurround system, so I have no idea about it.
I absolutely agree with you. I recently gave my Crime of the Century on Blu-ray a re-listen (I only listened to it once before), and I was not impressed at all. Too loud, too harsh. My original and remastered CD versions of this album sound better. On the other hand, 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road' on Blu-ray sounds excellent.
I still use multi channel CD's and DVD's that I downloaded from the net that are down mixes ripped from DVD audio and Blu ray discs. Some where even down mixed from the "oops" effect and made into multi channel audio CD's I have about 150 multichannel audio discs on CD and DVDR's. Most sound great and some are flawed with artifacts and poor mastering. I like the way the NIN The downward Spiral sounds on multi channel audio. it blows my mind every time I hear it with the sound changing everywhere from speaker to speaker spinning, swapping and flipping, coming out and towards you to the center, and with the right amount of bass on the subs pulsing and pumping. The original CD/Tape is just to boring for 2 channel audio and always was. This is just one of many that are unique in this format. I have many tastes for music.
It really sucks Oppo is no longer building equipment. They asking twice the original price on eBay for the last model. 😞 I have the second to last and absolutely love it. They play whatever you throw at them, very fast and quality is top notch. What are the options now that get somewhere close to it?
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I recall reading about a single Blu-ray audio disc containing all 4 operas of Wagner's Ring cycle by Sir Georg Solti conducting the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra and the Vienna State Opera Chorus with Wilhelm Pitz as chorus master and a stellar cast of singers. These golden age stereo recordings from 1958 to 1965 are still regarded as some of the greatest of all time, regardless of genre. I found a vintage vinyl copy in good condition of the 4th opera "Gotterdammerung" ("Twilight of the Gods" or possibly "Kill the Wabbit"*) which alone takes up 6 LPs. *re: "What's Opera, Doc?"
Yes, the disc is huge, more than 50GB. Perhaps it was recorded on both sides , it's rare but can happen. Don't know the opera, not a big fan actually :-)
@@anadialog Actually I recommend both. I am not a huge opera aficionado, but there are some that I enjoy. And, as I mentioned, the Looney Tunes spoof is clever and hilarious. Elmer Fudd as the mighty warrior based on Siegfried with Bugs Bunny in drag as Brunnhilda, the Valkyrie. Fudd: "O Bwunnhilda, you're so wovewy!" Bugs: "Yes, I know it. I can't help it." Fudd: "O Bwunnhilda, be my wove!"
Pizza Gogo mostly music for old white people. I was thankful to find Marvin Gaye. No new releases on the format at all, though, which seems like a total fail to me.
Well, that 'old' rock is the best music available and most likely to sell. :-) That is why. New releases are done directly in high res on Tidal or Qobuz or Roon etc. In any case there are some exceptions...need to look
It's not advertised... but in theory the PlayStation 5 should be compatible with Blu-Ray audio since it has a dedicated audio chip inside. *I would love to see a video on this subject... but I may just have to make it myself do to the scarcity of the console (at the time of comment).*
Good question! Probably going to have to go towards Ayon, Esoteric, DCS etc for a quality player. On the consumer market I always look out for Pioneer. Sometimes they make excellent players.
A couple of things: 2:30 Bluray (1080p) is no longer the highest resolution format for movies; 4k is. And streaming movies is normally NO HIGHER RESOLUTION THAN a Bluray disc! Second: There is a HUGE elephant in the room: internet speeds. You compare the optimal possibilities of HiRes streaming services with discs, when, in reality, you will rarely if ever, have an internet connection which is capable of the continual bandwidth which HiRes audio (or HD movies) need. With discs (and/or downloaded HiRes formats) you know that the resolution stated, is the resolution you get; not so with streaming! You'll be lucky streaming movies if your "4k movie" stream has higher resolution than a regular 1080p disc, and certainly it's not a patch on a 4k disc! If you want to be sure of a given output (resolution) you need to either buy a disc or download a file.
Humm, I think you have a distorted vision of blurays and high res. 1 - Bluray is ALSO 4k (known as ultra hd or 4k bluray), hence it still is the highest resolution format. 2 - Netflix streams video in 4k. 3 - My high-res audio (and video) files stream at their maximum sampling rate and bit depth. I can check that during playback. Remember that high res video and audio are heavily compress, for example FLAC for audio, that way the file is much much lighter and easy to stream.
@@anadialog You spoke of (and showed) "Regular" Bluray discs, not a single 4k disc; hence my "distorted vision". The common nomenclature is "Bluray" for 1080p, and "4k" for 4k. You also made mention of Streaming as now being better than 1080p, and I disagree; 4k discs are. Not only Netflix but also others stream in "4k" but you will be lucky to see the same resolution as a disc. Yes, that compressionand lack of bandwidth is what you see. I would be surprised if you see anything near the quality you would on the disc; many have tried and the result is always the same; streaming isn't the same, even under ideal streaming circumstances. And your DAC and or TV will probably tell you it's the ideal when it isn't. It's not going to tell you, after paying for "4k" resolution, that it isn't. Sorry, but I don't believe you. I often buy the HD file from Amazon, and the quality changes as I watch; the same will happen to anyone. A disc doesn't do that.. The ONLY way to enjoy consistently high (the highest achievable today) results in Music and Movies is to buy a disc or download a file, not streaming.
@@BirdArvid despite numbers I agree with you! Streaming is not delivering consistent and high quality material. There are constant dropouts that in the end deliver a medium quality experience, not top notch. Well, I see what you mean by 4k aka ultra hd is reproduced on blurays, yes, it's a different codec but the medium and pickup laser are that of a bluray and in fact they are called 4k bluray or hd bluray. In the end I think we are both right!
I would like to build a Blu-ray concerts video collection, but sadly titles are extremely limited on bluray. Many bands make music videos to play on MTV and other music TV channels, it would have been nice to own some on Blu-ray
Sad that this is another format that was/is almost dead on arrival. Titles that I have been very impressed by: The Girl From Ipanema......Getz/Gilberto Let It Bleed...... the Rolling Stones Moondance........ Van Morrison
Blu Ray audio wastes a lot of space. An artist could release their entire catalog in 24/192 stereo on ONE Blu-Ray disc with room to spare. I would love to see artists do that with a nice book.
Listen to the cheapest version available to you to check the mastering quality to see if it agrees with what sounds good to you or not only then pursue the rabbit down the hole.
My 4KTV and PS4 supports Dolby Atmos and I love it. Altuhgh l loved Blu-ray Audio, SACD and DVD-Audio only Best Buy sound them were I lived at the time and took them off the market less then 3 mouths letter. So I never got all that many. I believe what hart all 3 was the DRM used. DRM was also way I hared copy protected Audio CDs didn't conform to the red book format. I think like DTS Audio CDs they called it an type of CD-ROM.
Since u cant play normal cds in ps4 or ps5 can u use blueray cds Cause It can only play bluerays and DVD's so I wonder if the ps4 and ps5 can play blueray DVDs and blueray cds cince regular cds dont work
MARLEY only sounds good in stereo, the 5.1 attempts were lame. QUADROPHENIA sounds better on The Criterion movie Blu-ray. TEARS FOR FEARS: THE HURTING is fine, s is SONGS FROM THE BIG CHAIR, with new stereo and surround mixes, but it is hiding high resolution stereo original mixes of the album in the extras, which sounds better than the rest. THE ROLLING STONES: GRRR hits set, stereo only as it is, is also great and is now very hard to find.
can you burn like 10GBs of mp3 on dvd or blue ray and if so can you play it with a cd radio player? Dont know much about such stuff pls help! Thanks! :)
You can, as data, not as a movie or music album. No you can't play it on a CD player. You need a bluray player for blurlrays, and a DVD player for dvds.
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