Blue Angel Pilot Declares Emergency. Hyde system failure. Landing with Arresting Cable. REAL ATC 

as should be the case with emergency systems...

ahaa thanks for the info 👍🏻

@@Thisandthat8908 thanks for your valuable input.

Thanks for that explanation! I was really curious as why this airport had arresting cables.

@@johnschroeder3072 I am curious how you managed to know how you determined how many fingers he has? He could very well have 4 fingers and his point would still work. So... next time you want to brag about your "knowledge" that the thumb might not be considered as a finger (which is very debatable by the way!), You should get some basic knowledge of conversing and reading and thinking of your own. Besides your comment seems only to exist just to tempt people to ask you why ordinary people should only have 4 fingers and not 5 which is the common knowledge. So that you then can, argue that the thumb is not considered a finger. Just to start an argument... Please stop doing that because that is just annoying for anyone involved and that's how the toxic arguments on RU-vid start often times. And just to take the wind out of your sail of bragging even further, most medical books DO consider the thumb a finger according to an article from MedicalNewsToday. So for any normal human being it is perfectly fine to consider the thumb a finger and count it as such. Our whole counting system is based on that idea otherwise we would have an octal-Nummerical system and not a deciamal one.

At least she doesn't have to contend with a rolling or pitching deck on this landing.

Because it’s not a big deal.

@@vicariousjohnson9823 But also it's the Blue Angels

They missed?

@@dougaltolan3017 Not likely. The video is simply incorrect.

Or just about any military pilot. Training, training, training

Exactly what Just a pilot said, its their job its fairly routine, remember she has the ejection seat to fall back on, but this is a fairly common scenario in military aviation

She wasn't flying. She isn't the pilot in this flight.

@@russkydeutsch Edit: Yes she was and you mean Aviator. Lt. Amanda Lee is assigned to fly Blue 8 at the moment. Only the Aviator (PIC) talks to ATC in a two-seat fighter. Who the hell do you think was making the radio calls sunshine? She was asked about souls onboard and she replied she had a passenger as in she was PIC and her passenger was in the back seat. Unless you have a personal snowflake reason for not liking Female Aviators/Fighter pilots.

@@russkydeutsch PS she will be flying with Blues 1-6 due their airshow routine for the 2023 season

she is...

She probably already is and has been. They don't let their average students, mid tier performers or newbies out there to fly 5 feet from each other in the Blue Angels lmao

If she's part of the Blue Angels, then she's an elite.

@@BChandl13 she wasn't the one flying the plane. There are two people on board, but she wasn't the pilot.

@@russkydeutsch Man, you already got called for this BS in another thread. What, women can't fly jets?

"Pilot handled things extremely well for sure." No she didn't. I never heard anyone call the hydraulic system the "hyd" system in over 40 years in aircraft maintenance. When speaking to anyone besides your wingman, speaking in clear language is important. That formation shorthand is for the birds. Besides.....I don't get the emergency. Two hydraulic systems plus emergency extend. Probably only one system extends the gear and then maybe an emergency accumulator for a blow down.....and possibly gravity deploy. Maybe three chances to extend the gear down and locked. You either get the green light or you don't. So.....wha haappen????

@@rael5469 There are two hydraulic systems, only one is used for the landing gear. At least one system is needed to control the aircraft. The emercency extend uses gravity.

@@rael5469 Note that she said "...which forces us to take an arrested landing if able." I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surpise me if her SOP required her to make an emergency landing in those circumstances to save the $50-60M aircraft. I bet she could have landed it safely without the cable, but I'd also bet the Navy made her do it the way she did.

@@rael5469 A comment below us also pointed out that she may have lost Nosewhee Steering when she lost one hydraulic system which would mean no taxi, like she told the ATC. No telling what else she lost. Either way, she was calm, cool, and collected and communicated the situation very effectively. Pretty clear she's an elite pilot for a reason.

@@rael5469 HYD is obvious in context and you should know what it means, I've worked at delta and as a contractor for more than 20 airlines, currently working flight line at boeing.

Hydraulics

Isn’t it amazing when English speaking people speak English?

The other favorite sign off in the US is “see ya!”

@@VictoryAviation as a US pilot I can confirm that you are all talking nonsense.

@@sqwk2559 What makes you say that?

im so confused, is the arresting system a cable system?? and why would a reginal airport have those cables just laying around in case an army jet needs them to stop?? i thought they were only on aircraft carriers...

@@mattpierson6206 Airports that have military affiliation will have arresting cables. Reserve and National guard often fly out of regional airports.

@@mattpierson6206 Madison has an air guard stationed there so therefore the field has them in place.

More than likely, the impact of a hydraulic failure would perhaps lead to a degradation of the brakes (and NWS), so the trap is to ensure the jet can stop on the runway with questionable brakes.

As a 23 year Center for controller (rtd), I was aware that a few civilian airports had arresting gear, but unfortunately, this was not knowledge I had readily available. I want to learn more about this, particularly did the pilot suggest the field (or perhaps *home* field?), or did the controller have it handy? Two, the tower controller (if the sim is anywhere near accurate) have ability to rig the gear at the opposite end remotely? He sure promised it quickly. The best part of the vid was the quiet professionalism of all involved. I'm betting she didn't really roll out all the way to the end with questionable nose wheel steering. Bravo!

No that waz just Icé Créâm

Umm, Tower, the Threshold isn't a moving apartment block and it's not in the middle of a rainstorm.....we're good.

And USAF. Normally the USAF will take the whole runway on an emergency( or opt for a field with a 12,000 ft + runway if available), but arresting systems will occasionally be certified with an F-16, or F-15's. My understanding is the pilots don't like it, (nor the crew chiefs) but they are familiar with the procedure and many practiced with its employment.

Can you explain to me how it is "Hard and Tricky" when the pilot has Tons of runway before and after the cable on land??? Can you explain that to me???

@@spooky3669 land based arrest systems are normally deoyed on the departure side of the runway to prevent an overshoot if the distressed jet lands deep, or has to abort the takeoff and can't stop in time. Angel askes for the approach side cable (carrier style), and tower advised that the cabke would be on the runway threshold, so she would have had to land really accurate, likely without speedbrakes or flaps (not sure exactly what syatems were out). You can hear her ask for the approach side to be deployed iso normal MO of departure side. Its a tricky landing in a jet with 1hr of fuel onboard and likely other syatems out aswell, but guarantees she could stop in time while also providing the option to bolter if she missed the hook... Does that explain the hard and tricky?

Navy F18 landing gear is different from most others, they are pretty sturdy and are designed to land basically without flaring the airplane, hard and tricky is by no means excessively difficult, just don’t flare, on a fixed runway this isn’t hard at all, landing on a constantly oscillating runway (aircraft carrier) this is something very different and challenging. Keep the blue side up to all.

@@Ripper13F1V USAF planes aren't designed for it. The f18 is however. And it it just whatever for them to trap

The good old hide system

@@theblaccgucci2460 Yes. Proper terminology is High-altitude Invisibility Dynamic Engine. Technology built in Ratanaba city by the reptilians from Nibiru 🦎.

On the F-18 only the flight control actuators have redundant hydraulics, and emergency extending the gears depressurizes the hydraulics in the gear. They can fly fine, but they have to take the arrested landing because they have no other way to stop and can't steer the plane once it's on the runway.

@@jakedewey3686 that’s pretty much what I was alluding to. I’m literally in these aircraft every day.

the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds are combat capable if needed, they are fighter jets after all

I found it a little odd because the casual observer knows they don't fly with real armaments, even drop tanks. But its an air field shared with ANG. You stick with your routine despite what you think you know about the aircraft you are talking to. Assumptions get people killed.

348.6 is just UHF. Nothing secret, not as common in civilian world, but used to have them in some of the old stuff I flew.

348.6Mhz is not secret squirrel lol. UHF vs VHF, different propagation characteristics

Why ask if she's armed as someone? Who made that mistake as a millitary controller one time and WILL NOT make it again. The angels to my knowledge will never be armed coming from multiple NASP controllers controllers. They are show ponies.

SHE isn't a pilot. She's a backseater.

ATC was just following the procedure he's been trained to follow with military jets, I'm guessing. Besides, always best to ask rather than assume; Murphy's law says the one time you don't check tends to be the time you really should've.

Joint use Mil/Civ airfield. Not the standard by any means.

The blue angles also bring the system with them if the airport doesn’t have it

@@legobilder No they don't.

@@SamSpangler13 Well, that would explain things! I've been learning a lot about aviation lately just by watching videos like this. It's been very interesting. Thank you!

MSN is an air guard base, F16's currently, will be transitions to F35's. Wire locations are on 18/36 only it appears when looking at the FAA diagram.

Believe the issue was peyronie's disease

I noticed this too and was wondering what the deal was.

They push those jets harder than the fleet does so things break, cannon plugs unseat, wires fray and gremlins go wild.

#1 jet didn’t fly, #3 jet was flown by the boss and #7 the backup two seater took #4 slot position. Both solos flew as normal. Immediately after the delta break out maneuver, #7 (slot jet) broke off south of the airport, circled and landed on 6L, then taxied up the show runway while the other jets finished out the show. Thursday’s surveys/practice demo flight were also heavily delayed and only 5 jets flew as well.

@@706CAP So what was the issue? I live by the airport and could see him circling gears down southwest, then the last time I saw him he had turned out towards Fairborn area and disappeared. Also, Thursday I never saw more then 3 in the air from my spot. Generally across all the days I thought the show seemed far weaker then previous years.

For radar vectors they actually use standard rate turns so ATC can keep interval. Takes them 2 minutes to do a full 360

It's when they say expidite climb for reason and the navy pilot asks if they want normal expidited climb or streight up

I agree with you but if the controller has a habit of doing that with millitary a/c that might explain why. I have given wheels should be down to DHC6 because it was beaten in my head to always do it for fixed wings.

Most (if not all) military aircraft are capable of radio communications on two different aviation bands - civilian (those freqs in the 118-137 MHz VHF range) and military aviation bands (220-350ish MHz UHF range). They would primarily use the military frequencies but can switch to civilian frequencies if necessary.

@@Sean.Bowers Cheers.

F18s typically don't use vhf. But some do

Because hydraulic is two syllables longer than "Hyd", and in an emergency situation, literally every second counts.

Military shorten everything. To a Mil ATC this would understandable. To a civilian Air Traffic Controller, not so much.

Thank you for that. I live in the Madison area, and was wondering why recent newscasts didn't cover the event (not the emergency, per se, but the Blue Angels being here). 🤔

It's a joint base, that's why they opted to land there to begin with. Probably assumed ATC would have some familiarity with verbage.

Well, she also said she was a "slick" jet.....

Normally no, but it's a military aircraft, so you ask.

The demonstration jets are NEVER armed with weapons while in the U.S. However, I'm sure it's standard procedure to ask. There is a cool picture of a Thunderbird jet with live munitions over in Iraq. The jets of both teams are still owned by their branches, and can be reactivated to wartime use if need be.

@@BooMaster97 Its not cool invading other countries matey.

@@billb7876 Right, because I said the war was cool rather than the picture, right? That's right, I forgot. This is the internet, where people will always get offended over something and feel the need to state it to the world.

@@BooMaster97 Fluffy is probably upset at the allies invading Nazi Germany.

not really

@@oubrioko she's the first to perform in the f18

@@bboxsaidso No, _she_ isn't. The voice heard in this video is *LT Katlin Forster,* Blue Angel #8, the Events Coordinator for the team's 2020-2022 seasons. She is a _Naval Flight Officer_ in the back seat of a F/A-18F Super Hornet. This emergency happened *November 30, 2021.* Look it up. The voice heard in this video is a _completely different person_ than *LT Amanda Lee,* a _Naval Aviator_ who was recently named to the _upcoming_ Blue Angel team for the _2023_ season. This video has _nothing_ to do with *LT Lee* _...at all._

@@oubrioko Katlin?

@@openphoto Yes. _Katlin_

I don't think it mattered in this case, telling a controller you have a hydraulic problem on its own is useless information, not being able to steer being the main reason for needing the arrestor cable is the main bit of info the ATC needs. If they had said they won't be able to steer without mentioning the hydraulic problem, it would lead to the ATC asking why because depending on what caused the lack of steering might warrant a different emergency response. I'm not ATC but have some experience with emergency response so think the ATC would have a list of information to get, not every piece of information is relevant for all emergencies but you get that information every time

fighter aircraft usually use UHF frequencies so ATC gives them an option

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 ahh ok thanks for the help

I had the same question myself. It's not a dumb question.

Most ATC facilities Xmit/Rcv on UHF and VHF. Simultaneous radio. Most older military aircraft only had UHF while civilian aircraft generally only have VHF radios. Many newer military aircraft now have both radios. When operating around a civilian airfield it's better to use VHF frequencies to be able to hear the local traffic.

ATC concerned about how much time you have to do what you need to do before you’re on the ground regardless, so minute. ARFF at the field wants to know how big the fire might be so they’re concerned with the volume of fuel.

No. It happened *November 30, 2021*

…woman, you mean

@@cw8537 I shouldn’t have said guy or girl. It’s 2022 and THEY/THEM is more open minded to all the possibilities

@@cw8537 --- Can you finally define what is a woman?

@@cw8537 -- Also, how do you know that pilot identifies as a woman? Based on her voice? I'm notifying the Microaggression Victims Unit (see babylon bee for more detial)

@@cup_and_cone LT Katlin Forster is a _Naval Flight Officer,_ *not* a naval aviator. She is a well qualified Weapons Systems Officer in the F/A-18F Super Hornet, and she completed two carrier deployments before joining the Blues in 2019. However, she is *not* a pilot/naval aviator.

No.8 is the events coordinator

I didn't realize they had to be pilots too.

@@ChaimS easier for them to get from event to event and actually understand what's happening and liaise with the host (possibly civilian airport on what's required, most military display teams us a pilot for this frequently one who has previously done a tour as one of the display pilots, eg RAF rad arrow's

Blue Angel 8 is still a NFO currently (Naval Flight Officer - not a pilot), she was in the backseat of Blue Angel 7, presumably the pilot (Either Blue Angel 7, or a former team member depending on exactly when this took place) delegated talking to ATC to BA8 while he was troubleshooting the issue. This is an old recording from late last year/early this year, well prior to the team selecting their first female jet pilot, the voice talking is the Event's Coordinator who is not a pilot in the Navy. The recording is from during their airshow site visits prior to the airshow season, I don't know why this channel will not state the date of the events, but they keep posting old events.

@@pilotben97 Correct. This emergency took place *November 30, 2021*

Different frequency i expect.

There are actually quite a few more than you'd think, owing to air national guard bases all over the place that are frequently colocated at a civilian airport. You can see where the arresting gear is on the airport diagrams; it's depicted as a litle line with two opposing arrows coming out of it, and a note "BAK-14/12" which is the type of gear it is. They usually have those for emergencies like this, 'cause if a high-performance jet has, say, a brake problem it's going off the far end of the runway otherwise.

Imagine trying to pull maneuvers an a$$ crack distance apart from 3 other planes wearing a cheap headset and radio… blue angel 8 could prob smell the color 9 through that mic

She had an oxygen mask strapped tightly to her face, eliminating most outside noice. The microphone is located inside the mask, at an ideal location to pick up her voice clearly.

There are multiple reasons for radio quality. Not to mention how many more reasons are added when trying to get a recording on a video. Most channels like this use websites that automatically record frequencies, and quality is mostly an issue with how well that recording equipment picks up that frequency, or how far it is away from the aircraft/airport transmitting.

Also useful for short strips the engineers have thrown up in a conflict zone. There is a portable version of arresting gear they can basically plant down and just stretch across a runway.

I was sat at the end of the runway at RAF Leeming once and it confused the hell out of me when this massive cable fence looking thing just popped up out of nowhere. That's when I discovered these.

@@EwanMarshall Bak-12, and I have the training scars on that piece of equipment on multiple runways across the world. =)

No, but they’re available at almost any base where fighters are stationed, lots of which are mixed civilian and Air Guard use. Dane County / Truax is regional, but houses the 115th FW.

The voice in this video is _not_ the newly named Blue Angel demonstration pilot for the upcoming 2023 season. The voice you hear in the video is *LT Kristin Forster* Blue Angel #8, the team's Events Coordinator for the 2020-2022 seasons. She is a Naval Flight Officer riding in the back of a two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornet. She is handling the ATC radio comms while the pilot in the front seat is flying the aircraft.

Lieutenant Katlin Forster. Respect her. She has accumulated more than 931 flight hours and has 257 carrier-arrested landings. Her decorations include two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals, and various other unit and personal awards.

What's the point in identifying the system to ATC, they don't have 10 type ratings. System A, blue system, it means next to nothing to them. "Hydraulic system loss, meaning we need..."

I see what you did there

She was not the pilot in this flight.

@@russkydeutsch Still at it, eh? So, why don't you "enlighten" me and tell me why she can't be the pilot?

@@sarahmathias9463 She is A pilot, having completed flight school as a requirement of being an NFO. But in this instance she was not THE pilot in control of the aircraft.

Just like every other professional pilot should be...

Hydraulics, if you just scrolled down you would know.

Yeah, for a few seconds I was like what the heck, not again!

Yes, it occurred *November 30, 2021*

No. It was #8. She flies with #7 in the backseat, and was most likely doing all the talking in the backseat so the pilot could fly the aircraft and run through the emergency checklists. Not sure why she wouldn't just use the plane's callsign instead of her own, but who knows.

They’ve just selected their first female display pilot. Maybe it was her (ex-Rhino Demo pilot).

@@BooMaster97 this was late last year (therefore not the new female jet pilot either) when Blue Angel 7 was unable to fly for a month or 2 for an unpublished reason, they had a former team member fly the 7 jet to airshow site visits, so they used BA8 as their number since the outgoing/former pilot wouldn’t have had a number.

@@Machlooper I don’t know if this is recent or not… there’s no date on it…

@@stephenbritton9297 It happened *November 30, 2021.* It is LT Katlin Forster, Blue Angel #8. She is the Events Coordinator for the 2020-2022 seasons (as BooMaster097 pointed out above).

There could be nonlethal explosives (show flares) that would count as ordinance.

*Drogue* chutes are used for landings in some planes, but only to slow down on short runways. They have little to no practical use in an emergency. I don’t think F/A-18s utilize them at all, but I could be wrong about that.

Correct. No chutes on Hornets. Unless its the movie Independence Day.

Yes, it is a civil-military airport located 6 nautical miles northeast of downtown Madison, Wisconsin.

Most likely in town for an airshow, and this is most likely a media or VIP flight.

I have an arrest cable in my back yard, just in case.

I'm guessing that's why there are two frequencies. Also, a media flight would explain the extra cheerful demeanor. I'd find that reassuring if I were a passenger.

​@@ImpendingJoker , @Joshua Martin - It's neither a media nor VIP flight. It occurred November 30, 2021. The voice heard in the video is *LT Kirstin Forster,* Blue Angel #8, the team Events Coordinator for the 2020-2022 seasons. She is a Naval Flight Officer in the back of a two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornet. She is handling the ATC radio comms while the pilot in the front seat is flying the aircraft. The pilot of the aircraft is likely LT Griffin Stangel, Blue Angel #7, the team Narrator for the 2022 season. He is expected to be named Blue Angel #6 the Opposing Solo for the upcoming 2023 season. We do _not_ hear the pilot's voice in this video.

weight measurements are pretty useless for ATC when they don’t know how the rate at which a plane is using it. It’s much simpler, and easier to make decisions on instructions when you have a clear margin of time to work with

ATC needs to know time to landimg, CFR needs fireball potential and bodies to count.

Maybe she didn't have time to get the first one so the second one was in her memory

@@billb7876 That makes sense.

If they can choose the UHF they usually will. Less listeners, very few LiveATC feeds of the UHFs.

Yeah a military aircraft, thats why he asked. Assumptions get people killed.

I mean there is demonstration teams that fly armed at times . Of course not the blue angels or the thunder bird’s. Since it’s a military aircraft technically it makes sense to ask

normally ATC frequencies are about 118-136MHz in the VHF band. Military aircraft in the united states usually have UHF radios, that operate at higher frequencies, so most ATC facilities in the united states are set up to talk to them on those frequencies if needed. That's why the controller was giving two frequencies; he's talking on both of them at the same time and can receive on either, so if the aircraft wasn't equipped with a standard civilian VHF radio he can still hear the pilot.

@@matt39581 Okay thank you for the explenetion. I didn't understand the Blue Angel was a fighter jet.

Spelling “Grammarly” as “Gammerly” while correcting someone for their grammar (and not knowing how to use the pause button) is really something 😂🤦‍♂️

Yes, and it seems no ATC can understand that a Navy pilot catches the gear on the front end of the flight line LOL

Air Force jets also have a hook identical to Navy planes for this exact situation. The only difference is there’s isn’t as beefy so it’s hidden in the fuselage to reduce drag.

@@snoflake1788 Australia doesn't have a carrier but our major air force bases have arresting cables. It called preparedness.

It actually does explain it.

Most modern tactical aircraft (i.e. fighters) have arresting hooks. On land based fighter aircraft like the F-15, F-16, F-22, they are called _field arresting hooks._ Any U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard, U.S. Navy or U.S. Marine Corps home airport for fighter aircraft, will likely have field arresting cables which can be raised into place remotely by a controller inside the tower.

@@oubrioko DING DING DING. And most of the systems have the cables raised by rubber donuts a few inches off the ground more or less permanently, nothing to raise. Location of the wires are noted on the sectionals. The pilot just takes the wire when they need it, no ATC interaction needed to utilize the system.

completely different person, this is Blue Angel 8, the event coordinator. In the back seat of Angel 7. Nice try tho