juanda has some easy tells: 1. touch of the neck before looking (sign of lack of confidence) 2. instance glare at the opponent after the opponent calls (sigh of disbelief) 3. pulling back of chips when raising on the turn.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Easily the best explanation I've seen of this hand so far. My view of what happened, Murphy might have put Juanda on a pair smaller than 10s, and was hoping to suckout. When he didn't hit, he shoved praying that Juanda doesn't call there, knowing that anything that calls him beats him. An all around bad play that worked out in the end. One thing people don't realize is just because you took down a pot does NOT mean you played a hand well.
The best part is that these rare lucky hits keeps them coming back, and it dictates their poor play. It's as if they "learn" from their "mistakes," whenever the miracle set of 3's comes on the river after they folded already. Same with pre-flop, where their already mucked rags would have flopped trips or a flush, so they play ALL suited cards, lol. Many people will criticize them when they win, but I congratulate them instead. I love that they chase the 22.5 to 1 miracle with 22, LOL. ;-)
Hey, thanks for replying, I was beginning to think I might be senile, LOL. Your scenario totally agrees with mine. Touche, sir. You make an excellent point, that people can't seem to grasp: that winning is not = to playing good. I see this "argument" all too often at my local card room. Despite my explanations to the contrary, people INSIST that players who win on any given session, are automatically "good" players. It's a preposterous notion, but they can't seem to see it any other way.
Lol, definitely. A coworker and I were just talking about it today that the way some people manage to win clouds their view on whether they are playing "good" or not. They get it in their head that their losing over the last month was just a bad run, and nothing to do with poor play, rather than vice versa, where the "bad run" was because they played poorly, and the one positive day was actually a huge fluke that they were lucky on. I deal table games, so it's about 1000x worse than poker lol
Commentators are a joke. Basically came themselves when Murphy flat called with Ace high on that flop, which 80% of every player in the world would do.
I think both players simply put each other on nothing more than A high. And I think that Murphy, by making the move on the river, wanted to push Juanda off a better ace in case he had one, or if he didn't have he wanted to take the play away from Juanda so he wouldn't have to make a tough decision for all his chips. Well played by both of them.
It is pretty standard calling with ace high on a paired flop against a continuation bet on the button, they make it sound like this is the first time it has been done in history.
lmao I congratulate too, just because I like to keep that positive table vibe going. Not a fan of pissing someone off to get them on tilt towards me (unless I'm running red hot where I can't miss, then I try to give them more reasons to call lol) but I'm card dead so often, and get that table image of a "rock" (supposedly only plays the nuts), it makes it so much easier to pull off a bluff
I think both played it very well. The all in on the end wasn't as bad as a play as u all may think. If you're looking at someone's hole cards it's alot easier to know what to do. Just incase John was bluffing with a hand like AK or AJ that all in on the end would have pushed that hand off. Or even if Juanda had AA or KK or AQ that's a tough call when he goes all in when a 3rd diamond comes out, and not not only could he have the flush, but slow playing a boat..that's what Murphy was doing.
Funny thing here was that Juanda probably thought to himself "This guy probably had a Q from the very start and was just slowplaying it, damn it, what a donk I am".Great play by this guy
I agree completely. Especially the big time gamblers who will chase 1 or more outs regardless of pot odds, implied odds, etc., and the rare times they hit, they insist it was a genius play. I'll admit, I'd take "luck" over "skill" any day of the week (at least "good" luck lol), but there's a huge difference between being a lucky fish and a skilled pro.
@shroey20 pretty standard to call with ace high in tournaments, especially with that kind of flop. but i think that it requires a lot of skill to call a second bet on the turn, considering that a great proportion of his stack was being committed at this point. great play by both.
Am I the only one that show the nervous tells radiating from John Juanda every time that guy called? He knew that A-high was biscuits. John looked like a deer in headlights that whole hand.
Juanda's physical tells = "I do NOT have a deuce!" So even with a Queen he would have a tough time calling Murphy for the rest of his chips. Perhaps Murphy surmised this and so floated the turn just so he could open-shove the river knowing it was 99% certain he wouldn't be called.
Those types of people are either ignorant, trying to save face, or trying to tilt their opponent. Tony G. is a brilliant example of the tilting reference.
Agreed. "He doesn't want to get check/raised here" (c/r Q22 rb flop?) "He has to proceed with caution here, and he does just that, he bets 1200..." "It takes a really special player to fire a second bullet into a pot"
It was brilliant on the fact he knew Juanda didnt have anything that could beat the board. He took advantage of his early position on the river because the perfect suit card came (running diamonds). Why would you check or value bet there only to get re-raised or put all in by the button? Smart read
Murphy was representing a 2. It would have been a good call for murphy pre-flop with A2. Even if Juanda had KK or AQ, it'd be hard to call his last all-in. On top of that, it was possible that Juanda was bluffing because of the texture of the board, so it was a great time for Murphy to make a move.
Juanda had less than a pot left, so its the same if Murphy says all-in or bet "large value bet", it would be a same thing. There were little less 9000$ on the pot and Juanda had like 5000-6000$ left.
3:28 Juanda grimaces and brings his hand to his mouth and you can see him thinking "Damn I can't believe he called that". Murphy probably knew right there he could take the pot with an all-in.
@foreverguga If he wanted to represent the 2, he would have check raised on the turn . It would only make sense to check raise to protect against the flush draw that was on the board if in fact he was representing that he had a two in his hand. If he was representing anything on the river, it would be a flush because the third diamond came and he moved in.
juanda played this hand like an amateur. comme on guys dont you see his body language? sooo many tells.. here you see! 1. 0:51 double check his cards and than bet on the flop. lol 2. 1:25 after the guy calls him, watch juandas face. epic 3. 1:46 his thinking, than he bets again on the turn. if he would have a good hand, why bet again? 4. 2:08 look at his left hand, behind his neck. believe me, thats a tell 5. 3:28 best example for micro expressions. look at his lips. after that he covers his mouth, obviously a bluff
OMG thats exactly what I thought. He played exactly like he didnt have anything, I would have had a lot more respect for him if the guy had the best hand but took his time and faked some tells for Murphy to go all in.
@qjuice14 totally agree with you, if juanda would have anything he would have probably insta - called. He could face only 77 (and that would re - raise so there aren't any flop problems but it's a slight possibility) or air with A - high for cover but with his stack he couldn't fold if he had caught anything.
