BMP-3M v ZBD-04A Infantry Fighting Vehicle Comparison

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How do the premier Russian and Chinese IFVs stack up? What are their strengths and weaknesses?
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@SgtCandy 10 месяцев назад

Just lurk on the War Thunder forums and I'm sure someone will spill a manual on these two sooner or later

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. Great idea.

@danicao.6778 10 месяцев назад

ZBD-04A Is better because it has plus stell plates over the standard aluminium from which it is made!!! And turret have bette protection and there are accompanying little things that can save the crew!!! 🇷🇸🐺🇷🇸🐺🇷🇸🐺 Greetings from Serbia!!!

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for the comment.

@yeahnayeah4055 10 месяцев назад

Channel is absolute gold mate. Just found you over the weekend. Would like to hear your thoughts on the current recruitment issues with the ADF. And current restructure and move going on from SA to QLD.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, Mate. Much appreciated. Recruitment is often, but not always, linked to the general economic situation in Australia. So next year might be helpful for recruitment, but not for us. Bright and shiny new toys always helps as well. I will do a briefing on the restructured Army once we get a little more info. 3 very interesting and different brigades.

@theredbar-cross8515 10 месяцев назад

The laser warning system is a very significant addition because of the prevalence of ATGMS, or anything else that uses a laser targeting/rangefinder. The smoke launchers (which use "hot" smoke and chaff to disrupt lasers and IR) are on automatic so that they will pop off as soon the vehicle is painted with a laser. Combined with a pretty decent reverse speed, this greatly improves the survivability of the ZDB to modern NATO standards, even if the raw armor protection is thinner than something like a Puma (which is almost double the mass of the ZDB). The real downside the lack of amphibious fording. The war in Ukraine has shown this to be a big deal. Being able to swim across small rivers rather than relying on pontoon bridges greatly improves the operational mobility of the Soviet designs. As for ground pressure, I doubt that the BMP-3 and ZDB are significantly different. The ZDB is heavier, but it's also longer, so more track surface area. The bigger issue is that both still use all steel threads, which makes them less than ideal for road marches on actual asphalt. Their soft terrain mobility is improved, but that's not a huge benefit unless you're actually fighting in a place like Ukraine where there's a lot of mud and not many paved roads. Overall, the increased survivability and FCS on the ZDB make it the superior vehicle in just about every scenario. It's not a surprise considering the relative sizes of the defense budgets between China and Russia.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the detailed comment. I agree with a lot of what you are saying, I just like to see it confirmed in reliable sources. Laser warning receivers are very useful in some situations, and irrelevant in others. Still better to have them IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised if the PLA's next IFV has a RWS and APS, and as a result is significantly heavier. Something I might do a future briefing on.

@theredbar-cross8515 10 месяцев назад

@@Strategy_Analysis There aren't too many great sources. Even something like the Type-99A's reverse speed is deduced from a short clip during a Chinese military show that showed the interior with 4 reverse gears in the manual gear shift. Yeah, a hard-kill APS is definitely going to become a standard in future models and retrofitted onto older models. The experience in Ukraine has demonstrated the absolute necessity of such systems if a tank is to survive in the open.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

@@theredbar-cross8515 Thanks for this. Some rumours and watcher comments are accurate, but official or reliable sources give confidence. To do a proper intelligence assessment one needs confidence in the information.

@user-jf6es6tr4y 8 месяцев назад

Therefore, PLA has Type 04, which has thin armor and a water jet. If you want to use it for amphibious purposes, use Type 04, and if you need hard armor such as in plains or in large-scale battles, use Type 04A.

@aymonfoxc1442 10 месяцев назад

Good video. Keep improving and growing your channel. I'm happy to see my countrymen on RU-vid.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. Much appreciated.

@seanwong8479 10 месяцев назад

ZBD-04A is still amphibious if you consider BMP-3 to be amphibious. ZBD-04A just not traverse ~20km/hr in sea state 3 like in ZBD-04, It can still ford most rivers, lakes even stenches of sea in calm weather and will travel at ~6 km/hr due cancelation of the waterjet. ZBD-04 is special in that it is deployed in the 10th Brigade of the 72nd Group Army and 86th Brigade of the 73rd Group Army, the rest of the two Group Armies are all specialized amphibious units armed with ZBD-05s, hence the requirement for long range beach assault capabilities.

@thomasb5600 10 месяцев назад

Agree, I heard it takes something like 3 days for BMP-3 to be ready to be amphibious. Under those settings M113 and ASLAV are amphibious too.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the info on the ZBD-04 being with those CA BDEs. Makes sense given their composition. Do you have a reference for that info?

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

@@thomasb5600 Yes it takes "some time" to make an M113 amphibious capable.

@seanwong8479 10 месяцев назад

@@Strategy_Analysis no, just the usual forum threads counting serial numbers based on TV appearances. As usual in PLA watching, details in the Orbat threads in CDF.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

@@seanwong8479 Thanks

@corvanphoenix 10 месяцев назад

I don't know if anything but the AAV gets used regularly in an aquatic role. Certainly I don't know of any "amphibious" vehicles a crew actually wants to use for that purpose, even in training.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Agree. Not too many. Take a look at the Chinese ZBD-05.

@user-mr5xx4pb4f 5 месяцев назад

These amphibious vehicles are more likely prepared to move across inland rivers or small lakes

@THB1945 4 месяца назад

ZBD-04A beats the hell out of BMP-3 in War Thunder

@Strategy_Analysis 4 месяца назад

Probably due to protection, at least.

@tonyweng660 8 месяцев назад

Do more equipment comparisons....also in your opinion china vs Russia, who have a better combat capability based on equipment , structure, and doctrines?

@Triggatra4258 7 месяцев назад

Your videos are always interesting and very informative. Please keep them coming SIR.

@Strategy_Analysis 7 месяцев назад

Thank you. Much appreciated. I try to get one out at least every 2 weeks.

@-Mystique-101 8 месяцев назад

I want to make a suggestion. You can add background music to make the video more interesting and maybe add an intro.

@Strategy_Analysis 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the suggestions, Mystique. I'll try to find some non-copyrighted music. Occasionally the intro is a short video. Depends on the topic.

@-Mystique-101 8 месяцев назад

@@Strategy_Analysis would love to see you grow

@Strategy_Analysis 8 месяцев назад

@@-Mystique-101 Thank you. I hope so too. Please send my briefings and tell your friends.

@MFitz12 4 месяца назад

@@Strategy_Analysis - Big NO on the music. I hate it when these types of vids have background music, just to maintain the attention spans of millennial gamer fanboys. When a video like this has background music I almost always click off immediately.

@Strategy_Analysis 4 месяца назад

@@MFitz12Thanks for the feedback. Just trying some things. Some like it, some don't. Hopefully the content is the most important thing.

@bradz9413 10 месяцев назад

12:13 Freudian 🤭

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Haha, yes indeed.

@thomasb5600 10 месяцев назад

I know Russia says its BMP are amphibious. That is not accurate they are amphibious capable, they need days to actually become amphibious. It like some western IFV/APV they are capable but need time to setup for. This was something that was highlighted during the Ukraine war

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. I know the M113 certainly need "time" be be amphibious capable!

@aymonfoxc1442 10 месяцев назад

Plus, the slow swimming speed of IFVs makes them sitting ducks in a modern battlefield replete with surveillance. The old pontoon approach has also struggled in Ukraine. Rapid deployable bridges and mobility are about all that's left for crossing water obstacles with heavy vehicles and the latter comes with its own challenges.

@Strategy_Analysis 10 месяцев назад

@@aymonfoxc1442 Agree, unless the vehicle is designed for high water speed. The Chinese ZBD-05 comes to mind.

@phatnguyen4803 10 месяцев назад

you wrong about the BMP-3 armor BMP-3 front armor provideprotetion against 30mm autocanon(the 23mm protection is its airbone variant, the BMD-4) BMP-3 side armor 43mm thickness provide protection against 12,7x108

@timothy1949 7 месяцев назад

idk...war in ukraine with all the FPV flying around with RPG war head and war in GAZA with the hamas ambushing Israeli heavy tank and IFV from side and rear in close range makes me feel that IFV and even tanks, can be easily destroyed in battle...of course, I always rather ride in a 50 tons IFV than a 20 tons one.... i think we just need to acept that in a real war, there will be a lot of losses and casualties, just like in vietnam

@Strategy_Analysis 7 месяцев назад

Yes, even with the best protection and defensive aides, there will still be many losses.