The greatest video regarding BMW's brakes. I have been searching long for this thorough information online. Thank you sir for giving a great explanation together with examples. Priceless.
Fantastic video. I've been pulling my hair out trying to find information on my 65plate 330d x-drive M-sport. I was wanting to put proper M rotors on my car but this has saved me an embarrassing mistake. Also explaining how 2 piece rotors are way better as less likely to warp. Might still try the M-pads in my 370mm front and back calipers. Thank you so much and I can't wait to check out your channels content.
Hi again, I'm just wondering what your preference is for 2 piece discs. I was thinking of Zimmermann formula f coat z with Brembo Sport HP2000 pads all round? Cheers Donnie
Thank you for the info, good to know 😁 I don’t think 17” wheel option on m140i/m240i was available in Uk and the 17” wheels which I tried fitting over the 340mm calipers, didn’t fit ... Thanks again
@@vysgarage OEM BMW 17” will fit on the 345/340mm discs, also a couple of aftermarket 17”. But again there are also some 18” aftermarket that doesn’t fit die to collision with the caliper
Exactly what I needed. Been wanting to upgrade to brembo brakes on mine since buying it a few weeks ago, and it's an absolute head fuck trying to figure it out online!
Very useful thanks. I did my retrofit last Sunday and there were things I didn't know.... Fortunately it turns out that I had the good pick according to your video.
This has been one of the most informative videos I’ve come across for brake retro fits, I’ve been aiming to do this on my 2016 MSport 420D for a while now and I’m more informed now! Can you point me in the direction of a full set for my car?
18” 313, 208m, mv1/2, none of these fit.... If you know of any other 18” wheels that do fit, post them in the comments as it’s very useful info. I have people asking all the time if their 18” wheels will work 370, or if their 17” will work with 340... 👍🏻
Hello, first of all thank you for this fantastic video, it helps a lot in differentiating the types of brakes. Question, I have a 120i F20 year 2017 with normal brakes, and I bought the brembo M brakes of a 140i, 340mm / 345mm, everything was installed correctly, the only detail is that the handbrake does not work, due to the dimension of the center of the disk. My question is that it is very likely that I will have to replace the stump of my vehicle with another model, will the stump of a 335i F30 work? I have a friend who offers me these answers, I look forward to an answer, thank you very much!
Hello, There are two different types of rear 345mm discs, small handle version and large handbrake version. You just need the small handbrake version discs for your car. Part numbers: Rear 345mm smooth (160) 34206797605 Rear 345mm grooved (160) 34206797598 It sounds like your brakes are from 3/4 series, not m140i. Message me directly if you need any more help. Do not change the hubs because the driveshafts will not fit.
Great video and some good info, are these a bolt on upgrade for the 318i and 320i or are other parts needed like hubs or master cylinder? Thanks! How do you know which size are required to upgrade?
Terrific video and so informative! I was wondering if you had any advice for fitting the callipers to a 330i E46 Touring? I'm assuming the smaller of the front callipers?
That’s a good video 👌👌 thank you! Looking to upgrade my bmw e92 320 with the 340mm callipers . Question is. Backing plate will fit?? Or I need to trim it? Or buy a 330 one? Thanks 🙏
Awesome video. Question: I have a 2018 M2 and I'm currently buying maintenance parts to have when the time comes to replacing them. Rock Auto has the single piece rotors for pretty cheap. You suggest staying away from these? FCP Euro has a full set of rotors and pads(OEM 2 piece equivalent) for $1700 while the rockauto set (1 piece rotor) is around $400. This is a daily and I do not track my car.
One pice rotors are heavier so you will increase unsprung weight, secondly they are not floating unlike 2 piece M rotors so there is a risk of distortion under extreme heat. But for daily use I’d give it a shot, just make sure they have warranty. Most importantly, get genuine m pads, they make all the difference 👍🏻
Great video, thanks. Can i use F30 m performance brake system - 345 rear and 370 front rotors on e92 m3 without any modifications, or do i need the F8X M 370 rear and 380 front rotors ? Thank you
There is another video on my Chanel about e92 m3. You can use f rear calipers (44mm type) with F8x rear discs (370mm) and it’s pretty much a direct bolt on, you’ll just need to trim the back plates and few m12 washers to centre the calipers across the discs. On the front you need to change the spindles to F8x in order to use F8x brakes, alternatively you can use g calipers that are an easy bolt in solution. Thanks
Great video, really informative thank you so much. I got a question, I have a f30 328i base and looking to upgrade my brakes but most likely I’m only looking to upgrade the front with M Sport brakes that comes on 335i, 340i, 345i the 4pistons 340mm will they fit with my same stock base rotors or I’ll have to get the different set of rotors that comes with the calipers? Again thanks so much for the video
What an amazing video!...I have got the 340mm front calipers and the rears for 345mm I can't find 40mm piston Seal kit they look identical to the fronts exa t same piston sizes same bore size in caliper am I able to put a front seal kit on the rear?
great video, very helpful!! one question regarding the rear calipers, how to know which size of piston is the correct one (40/44mm)? For instance I have a F36 428i Xdrive (with 300rear 330front) can I use any of them? thaank you in advance!
@@vysgarage hello, so I have my front brembo set up already and have the rear 44mm brembo caliper itself, what rotor size would I need ? I have a 2019 F36 440i gran coupe
Great video! What setup would you suggest for a E36 M3 bake upgrade, front and back? I have a single turbo 2JZ in it and makes good power, and I think it need better stoping power, what would u suggest?
Can’t thank you enough for this information in this video. Question: i have a 2016 340 with the front 340mm gray brembos and floating calipers in the rear. If i wanted to upgrade to the 370 and 380mm would any modification be necessary? Also, if i wanted to upgrade to the F80 M3 bbk, what modifications would be necessary? Thanks for your help. Sending a request to join the facebook group now.
Hello, I have the unpainted greys upfront on my 435i. Would I have any issues upgrading the rears only? 340mm’s up front 345mm’s in the rear. I have an M sport, would there be any coding needed for the larger rear rotors? This is really an aesthetic upgrade more than a performance one. These will look so much better than the stock rear calipers. Thanks!
What do you mean by 'correct' piston size in the rear? Is there a difference in compatibility between the 40mm and 44mm piston calipers with 345mm discs? Also, do they have different pads in the rear or the same? Cheers
Great video, just a question. I have a 2014 328d X drive wagon and I would like to upgrade to m sport brakes, which size rotor should I be looking for and which calipers pair up to them?
@@vysgarage thanks for the quick response, I order 340 calipers in the front and the rear are 345x24 like you said in the video. My hand brake size is the larger 185mm, I just can’t seem to find rotors that are that specific size. Do you know what BMW’s came with that size rear rotor so I can use that as a filter in fcp euro when purchasing rear rotors
Great Video thanks. I was wondering if you might give me some advice. I want to put 6 pistons calipers on th front on an M2C and use de 4 pistons that where originally installed to place them on the rear. The thing is that my calipers are blue and the only calipers that I found with 6 pistons are in grey or red. Do you know if I can find them in blue? or if I can use 6 piston calipers from X5 or X6?
I'm hoping to install m4 calipers and rotors on my e82 135i (n55). I'm assuming I need caliper adapters unless I swap the hubs, is my thinking correct? Great video btw, glad you covered the small differences. best, Graham
@@vysgarage thank you for the quick reply! Im hoping to use “seemslegitgarage” adapters, unless you’d recommend something else. They should be selling the rear caliper adapters for non m hubs soon. Just a side note, I have a full set of fairly new e92 m3 rotors, is there a way to use these instead, making the install cheaper for me?
Why don’t you just use 370mm and 345mm rotors? The rotor thickness is the same, pad contact is the same, they are still two piece, they are much cheaper, they don’t need adapters and they fit a lot better. To run m rotors on the rear, you will need to remove significant amount of material from the rear calipers which I don’t recommend.
@@vysgarage id like to avoid permanent modification if possible, thank you for the suggestion. Excuse my ignorance but I’m assuming the 135i rear rotor has the smaller hand brake, so will the 345mm rear rotor make the install easier for that reason as well? I will likely use your recommendation of 370mm front & 345 rear with additional brake ducting. Would you recommend f series brake backing plates or a brake duct hose dumping air on the back of the front rotors? Looks like I’ll be saving a couple hundred bucks, thanks to you!
135i will have the large handbrake so the install is easy, you just need a set or rear Caliper bushings/adapters which I have available. If you’re taking the car on track and need to improve cooling, ducting is the only way to get a real benefit. But I must say that significant amount of braking performance comes from good pads such as rs29.
Because m and non m discs are different size and have different hat heigh/offset. M cars have M specific knuckles/hubs which locate the Calipers in correct place for m discs….
@@vysgarage Appreciate it. Good to know that. I'm thinking about replace disc on my F32 recently. It has blue calipers(M sport). Your info helps me prevent choosing wrong discs
Great video. I am upgrading my 330e to an m-sport. Does it matter at the rear if I go for the 40mm piston calipers or the 44mm piston calipers? Besides the difference of piston diameter are there any other differences like less braking power or less pressure on the brake pedal?? Or it doesn't matter if i mount the 40 or 44 mm piston calipers? As long as I use the same size left and right....
Well, I have 370mm in the front and (still) just stock E90 brakes on the rear. High speed emergency brakes were fine, but when cornering it might be potentially problematic:)
good video very informative. Can I ask a stupid question I saw 5m series here in the US where I live I almost positive that his Rotor and disk are the same size front and rear and their big is that possible? Thank you
Hi, I’ve just bought 2017 F36 callipers from my 2020 F36. I’ve got the 340mm fronts and the P244 rears. What brake discs do you recommend and where can I get them from. Happy to send you the codes of the callipers if needed. Also with these replace the standard OEM brakes without too much mechanical work?
@@vysgarage haha! Well to make matters more confusing, I Heard the color was possibly "monte carlo blue" (which is another F chassis BMW color). Who knows!
@@vysgarage With the 340 mm type calipers you can use the 348 mm E92 335i rotors, have that set up on my E92 335i. Rear is another story, I use e60 345 mm rotors due to the more suitable offset unless you make a custom bracket.
Hello, I’m back again! I was wondering if you could help me. I have a 2014 435i M Sport, unpainted Brembo’s up front and (ugly) Bosch brakes in the back. I would like to get the 2 piston Brembo’s for my rears, 345mm and I see quite a few on eBay but most of the time they don’t have detailed descriptions so I have no idea if they’re compatible. Can you tell me what I should look for so I can put together a list to complete this conversion, please? Or even better, if you have a website and you sell them I can purchase from you? I’m just nervous about spending hundreds on parts and it being completely wrong. Thanks so much!
I have a 340i with the blue brembo’s (370mm fronts) I want to change my rear brake setup to the smaller f3x brakes (328i) so I can run a 17” wheel for the drag strip. If I buy the rear rotor & caliper from an f3x 328i will that be a direct fit onto my car?
@@vysgarage Thanks: In essence, I'm running the 370: However, brake heat during endurance driving is awful, becoming almost impossible to drive after 20m: I thus want to know how to switch to the M4 setup: as a friend's M4 never has the same problems: I should add that my vehicle is a Stag 5.
@@vysgarage I'm not utilizing braided lines or racing fluid: I'm using Febi bilsten pads with slotted discs. So if I take care of it, all of my issues will be handled. Which brake pads would you advise for such driving: are those mentioned above okay?
No, all those pads are for road use. For track pads I can recommend pagid rsl29, endless, Feeodo ds uno or ds3000. Fluid: ate type 200 or motul 660 Hoses: he’ll performance
are the mounting points complatible between all versions? I want to retrofit the M Sport brakes into my F30 320i but I'm a bit affraid about those mounting points...
What is it that makes the 380 disks not compatible with a non M car which came on 370's if the calipers are the same? Presumably the wheel stud PCD and offsets are the same.... Why the incompatibility?
Question for you, so if i have the 340mm caliper version but want to upgrade to the 370mm rotors instead of having to buy new calipers can you machine an adapter bracket that basically just extends the mounting points out a little further so they are at the same distance as the 370/380 calipers mounting ears?
Heello thanks for thé vidéo I have a question for you I have an X3 f25 I want to upgrade my brake what is my best option to have a bigger brake kit thanks .
Okay so I have an F32 with the base brake option. Thus I have the grey calipers and the floating caliper at the back. Can I upgrade from there? I can get the calipers from a scrap yard and get new disks.
Can u tell me if any of these Brakes fit on my BMW X3 F25 35D.... im looking for a biger Brake upgrade but nothing found yet...... I mean there is a M Performance Brake Kit for F models 1,3 and 4.... i guess it will fir on my X3 also but not 100% sure.. is there any Person out here who can help me out with my Brake issue ??
@@vysgarage At @5:57 you say that they are not interchangeable, the only difference that I can see is that one has two rataining bolts and the other has one. Even if the threads are the same it would only be the head that's different
I got question for you. It's possible to instal M rear disc if i use calliper adapter? Are the same mouting of a disc and size of handbrake? (you said 185mm)
Good morning Good video! Can you tell me if it is possible to mount the 380 disc with the 370/380 caliper on a No M? I have an M135i (340mm) and I want to upgrade the brakes. Thank you!
Hi, 380mm m discs are not a direct fit on non-m car, it’s best to just use 370mm discs. If you want to use m discs, you need adapters and m discs are also twice the price yet you’re only gaining 5mm in radius. It’s not worth it in my opinion.
Tell me about the rear bolts. I bought a used blue rear caliper labeled P2.44. I plan to install it on my F31. I am at a loss about the part number of the bolt that attaches the caliper. This video says M12, but do you know the part number? From what I have researched, rear calipers such as M3 use 34106864424 (M12 x 1,5 x 43 ZNS3), but the optional M performance is 34203414763 with M10 x 26,5 bolts. Also, the M sports brake is 34206850536 (M12 x 1,5 x 32 ZNS3), which one should I choose?
Question I just bought a 2014 435i and it has the front grey brembo calipers which are the 340mm and the rear are just single piston normal calipers what size brakes should I get my first time owning a bmw and I am just confused.
Hi, So currently you have 330mm rear discs with single piston calipers. You could upgrade just the rear discs to 345mm and calipers to 2-piston and spray the front calipers to match. If you want to also upgrade the fronts, you can go for 370mm discs and calipers but there is very little difference to your current 340mm setup. Pm me though Facebook if you need more help 👍🏻
I'm retro fitting 340mm with 4 piston brembos onto a 07 e92. It already has braided hoses that do not have a swivel union. Is the swivel union necessary?
