@@gaborpapp6253 bmw didn’t make four cylinders for performance they made them because of emission laws of course they would’ve kept making the 328 a 6 cylinder because it’s a better engine
@@gaborpapp6253 of course it’s better do you really think bmw chose themselves to replace they famous straight six with a four cylinder of course not they where forced to remove the six cylinder
The 328i in F30 guise was a great package. Light and agile, fast and efficient. My Stage 2 F30 328i M Sport that I owned for 6 years provided an excellent (nil repairs, only routine consumables) ownership experience for me and probably remains well worth a look. It was a great all-rounder, very enjoyable to track, take on a windy road or to daily. 🚦🏎
Who cares that its faster than the E46 M3. Its just a plain boring 4 cyl turbo engine with no soul whatsoever. E46 M3 is an automotive Nirvana, especially the CSL version. That S54B32 engine is just magnificent... 2.0 turbo? Nothing interesting sorry, every other car has this configuration nowadays since people stopped caring whats under the hood
@@PicardZ4 yet your daily will have almost no value in 2-3 years. 🤷♂️ He will always make money on that M3. Maybe you just think he cared that some tuned shitty 4 banger overtook him. Man, i can tell you, nobody cares you have faster 4 banger thats tuned. Nobody. Id rather have slower car knowing that my engine is at least bigger than a bag of milk.
@@Shuffler131 you’re coming across as pretty butthurt - a misguided fanboy railing against progress. And you don’t even own an F30, an old M3 let alone a E46 M3 CSL! Wonder why you bothered watching this F30 video in the first place? Strange. FYI M3s are turbo now too. Have been so for a while. BMW ran turbo 4 bangers as far back as the 80s. Current F1 engines are turbo 1.6l capacity. Not much sound, but they go. And probably all cars will be all electric before too long. Probably where I’ll be in 2-3 years for my daily. What sound/soul then? Depreciation is a fact of life on cars and tax-deductible in the right circumstances. Repairs are a fact of life for older cars. Again, tax-deductible in the right circumstances. Appreciation is generally taxed. The point is the F30 is a great BMW platform that outperforms old na benchmarks. They’re accessible and worth a look to own and drive, rather than pine over or bitch about from the perspective of non-ownership, mere fanboyism. If you want to make money, invest in property. Don’t waste it on old cars that you track unsuccessfully and need to repair afterwards.
Have owned a 340i for 5 months now and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done. I threw a stage one, cold air and did a muffler delete. Pushing 385 hp. Feels like the perfect car.
Nice. My standard E36 328i is a little bit quicker than the 320i, but not anywhere near the F30 328i. But not one of them sounds as good as the old Beemers though...and all of them automatic...
@@stevendrysdale5688 most BMW sixes have a nice sound, old or new, imo. But I think the fact that 6 cylinders on modern BMWs are not as accessible as they were in the old days makes most of the F30 and newer cars sound ordinary. I mean, on E36 you could have 6 cyl from a middling 320i onwards. Now you have to reach to one model below top of the range for the same pleasure. And the pleasures of a manual gearbox are even more inaccessible.
I'm so glad I owned 330i utill now. It's my first car. The engine works perfectly and when the speed over 200km/h you still can feel the power to speed up more.
Keep it. I'm driving a F31 320d as daily (ok ok, different form and engine), but it drives so nice, is a great all rounder and I sincerely have low maintenance cost (comparing to an E46, Audi's and Mercs we have and had). Would replace it by the same if I had to. Only a faster engine.
I love how the 340 and M3 are not much different thanks to all the wheel spin... I had the m235i and currently have the 440i which I added the MPPSK. Once you get over 350 HP/tq these cars struggle so hard to put down the power. Stock N55 and B58 never had much of an issue putting it down but a tuned B58 along with the S55s just struggle to put the power down.
@@user-qt1tr5ej2m get the 40 over the 35. The B58 is a vastly better engine. As for what series, the two is more nimble with it shorter and narrow wheel base. 4 is wider and longer, makes for a more smoother ride. 4 also has a more premium interior and more dampening. 2 is better on windy back roads while 4 is an amazing cruiser. I enjoyed them both, but prefer the 4 as I commute a lot, and on back roads it handles very good, much better than American cars. It’s very planted and great to drive. The 2 is a lot more tail happy, it loves to over steer, so if you want something that’s no brain to drift then that’s your opinion.
@@user-qt1tr5ej2m definitely go for a 40i. Engine has proven to be very reliable. I would say the 2 series I geneal is more fun than the 3/4 series. But the bigger car has longer gearing about 10% which helps put the power down in straight lines
My good old 2014 335i which I bought brand new is still going STRONG. I've done some speed runs in closed courses in Mexico and it gets to the limiter scary quick. Also very little maintenance beyond oil replacements.
14’ 335i gang! Mine is xdrive. I absolutely love it. 2.5 years strong, and all I’ve done is oil changes, tire change overs, and a transmission fluid change (just for preventative maintenance). Underrated car.
@@corbingrimes4298 Nice. Just goes to show these cars last you ages if you just treat them right. I'll be going for a used 320i with the b48 engine soon as my first ever BMW, can't wait.
Kind of weird you're talking about a 10 year old car like it shouldn't be going strong, especially since the N20 is considered pretty reliable. Should have no problems running 15+ years. People running e92s or even e46s don't consider their cars THAT old.
Some decent engines there but it has to be a 6 cylinder for me, currently own a 440i GC. I hope Bmw can keep this option open, it’s a massive difference not having them extra 2 cylinders.
It’s actually a really nice engine.....in a 3 door Mini Cooper, loved it, such a nice burble, sounds very similar to my 140i now on a cold start. But it’s lost on a sedan.
I believe that the 328i and 335i f30s were underrated from factory. The 328i makes 270hp and 335i makes 325hp. Both about 25+ horsepower above the factory rating.
@@luistejada599 Yes, search up 335i f30 or 328i f30 dyno and people are posting their stock dyno results. both are about 25 horsepower more than what bmw claims.
I bought a PWG 2013 F30 335i Manual with M sport package a year ago, a lot of leaks fixed, throw new bilstein b4 shocks and brembo rotor/pads, do need to spend money on it but when it's done, it's really fun
I got myself a f36 430i(prod year 2020) this year as my first car, its a great car it has looks, speed, agility but the sound of a 6cil is really something i miss in this car. I am having fun in it nonetheless ;D
Hope my comment is ok but i love a wide ratio gear box and dif this just gives the straight 6 clynder engine a nice flat torque curve right across the rev range and higher speeds in each gear.
I know this is just a showcase of the F30/F80 sound engine and not a showcase of the 0-100 test, but i guess i couldn’t help but measure it the unscientific way 😂 For those who’s curious: 316i - 9.5s 318i - 11.7s 320i - 8.3s 328i - 6.8s 330i - 6.9s 335i - 5.8s 340i - 4.9s M3 - 4.9s
I preferred the days when BMW 316 was a 1.6L, the 318 a 1.8L, a 320 a 2L, a 328 a 2.8L 6-cylinder, a 330 a 3.0L 6-cylinder ! Today, it's almost as if we're being ripped off - almost all the names are wrong ! ☹
It is quicker, the 316i has a bigger engine (1.6L n13) and the 318i has (1.5L b38) b38 is really slow but more reliable. The 316i can go 225hp with only a remap…
I have a 2015 328i sportline and added the Dinan ECU upgrade for an additional 45 hp. According to Dinan they were getting 265 hp on the dyno from a stock 328i before the tune
I think the 328i is the way to go, good performance and the rest of the upper family will be very expensive for the extra performance that you will get with it. Or am I wrong?
Well depends what you want. I am going to buy the f30 340i as my next car. The b58 engine so great for tuning. Just a simple ecu tune and downpipe will get it to 430-460hp. Then when I have the money I am going to upgrade the turbo and it will have 600-800hp, depending on what else I am going to do
Noticed the very different sound between the 3 liters. The 340 having the smoothest yet full sound and the 335 having a metallic “ring”. I suspect this has to do with both the exhaust system and the evolution between the open deck B55 and closed deck B58. All in all, the b58 seems to do everything with a lot less effort. Furthermore, i was a bit dissappointed by the M3 in comparison with the 340, both in sound and performance. Owning an M spec 440 convertible, my conclusion is that i chose well..😁👍 very happy with that! Keeping our baby! 😂
More likely what you are hearing is differences in the microphone position/recording/playback. There is no way you would be able to tell any difference between an open or closed deck engine and performance wise there isn't any significant differences, especially on an unmodified engine, the whole closed deck trend is only for those wanting to double the turbo boost pressure because it stabilises the top of the cylinder liner a tiny bit better. There is a lot of difference, as you would expect, between the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. IMHO the l6 is the only engine to get, regardless of how new or old the BMW is.
@@onecookieboy not referring to the closed deck as being the root cause for the difference in sound and character, but the overall evolution between the b55 and 58.
My N55 really has that metallic ring at high revs. Also I get this sound of somebody that's blowing in a metal pipe but that's the M performance exhaust I have.
@@keithw4920 not the 2018 model. Clearly noticeable when driving with the top open….(it is a convertible) Wouldn’t want any fake noise car. The original exhaust has valves in it but remaîns discrete…
328i is the sweet spot, that being said you can grab a 320i and remap it to 240hp . The discussions about the beautifull inline 6 beating the 328 are not taking in consideration the zf8 transmission .
@@ivansanchez8510 yeah they're not bad, but take this from the guy that's about to replace his second n55 engine from rod bearings... get the B58. First I had to replace it on my F30 early this year, and now my X5, within 6 months, not to mention that I had just done the rod bearings on the X5 a few weeks ago
@@VictorEstrada Jesus what year and how many miles? I’d hope you take preventative measures to prevent from such a thing from happening? Or do you drive it hard?
@@ivansanchez8510 yeah all oil changes and all, one was at 130k and the other one at 115k. Getting rid of one of them as soon as the engine is replaced. The 130k one Ive spent lots of money and I did put a rebuilt engine on it and an upgraded turbo so I may keep it for a year or two to finish the project that a dead engine started
Me e46 328i manual 5speed gbox.new bmws all seem to have close ratio gear boxes to help them accelerate faster.i prefer my wide ratio 5 speed my car feels more torquey through out the rev range.ive got 6x6500 1st.10 @6500 15x6500 4th 21x6500 and into 5th at 26x1000rpm.with my car theres long gears higher speeds.am i being old school.with my e46 you dont have to ring its neck to reach high speeds in any gear.i like that.newer bms rely on short ratios to accelerate faster.new bmws are great cars but they lack sole.and a classic feel.
I have a 2009 335i e90 tuned stage 2 with dual cone intakes, catless downpipe, and straight pipes from the back. Let me know if you'd like to see me post a video of my car
@Var vlad its the same engine in 328i so its stock already 250ish thats why. Its pretty good but the newer version of the 2 litre (b48) gets bit more power and its more reliable
@Var vlad i think 328i has around 15psi but 320i has only 8psi to get the tax rates lower etc.. but if you pump the boost to around 20-22 you will get around 300hp with only tune and downpipe
@@bomberex7809 i wouldn’t mess up with that honestly, xdrive actually makes the car handle even better and safer around corners, not to mention it has better traction for acceleration or for rainy days. Enjoy that beautiful car
@@AH-yg2dj And it makes the car, heavier(which results in a worse driving behavior), more expensive, less fuel efficient. For the regular driver in a regular region a AWD car only has negative effects.
@@martinmatyniky3 jako jo, ale srovnavame auta se starim přes 10 let a podle toho videa 320i da to kilo tak za cca 8s. Fabka v kombiku 1.9 tdi ma papirove polovicni vykon a s pracovnim nářadím v kufru a manželkou vedle sebe to dam za 11s To mi jako namazani na chleba zas tak nepřijde 🙂
340i owner stage 1 with 400bhp and 580nm of torque. Tbh too fast for the British roads and very unassuming debadged. M3 competition owner was certainly surprised I stuck to his back bumper at unknown speeds (speedo stops at 160mph)
@@vitkubal273 If I still live in Connecticut, 335 is not enough too. But for Michigan, it is enough. I do not want to drive that fast and hit a dam hole on the highway. I have changed a lot after watching the trashed road here. Otherwise, I prefer to tune my car for 400hp.
I own one and yes, the 3 cylinder 1.5 engine struggles on top speed. 160kmh and anything after that takes forever. But it's pretty good in accelerating and out of corners, plus returns a very good fuel economy as well.
I have 15' 228Xi sport coupe. The n20 turboed 2-liter hauls ass in the coupe and turns in better with pilots than the heavier 6cyl. Plus with winter tires I out pace my wrx buddies
it would be a better comparison if all where on the same setting, either sport+ or just comfort. this way all are almost different. and what is D traction on the 335i? responds way quicker in sport +
It used to be fairly simple: First digit is the series, the other two is engine displacement and the letter is the fuel, so for example: 328i should mean three series, 2.8l gasoline, and 320d 3 series 2.0l diesel etc. But since they introduced tubrocharged gasoline engines they've got significantly more powerful given the displacement - so the 2.0l turbo gasoline replaced the 2.8l non turbo gasoline in the lineup which made the 328i no longer have 2.8l engine. When they changed engines from N series to B series they've updated the numbers again so 316i became 318i 328i became 330i and so on. To make things even more confusing, some of the diesel engine versions are still accurate to the real displacement. Nowadays it's just some arbitrary number, the bigger, the more powerful is the engine...
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Nah no one REALLY needs more for daily driving. In Europe BMW isnt just a car for showing off like in the US. Even if you cant afford/dont want a big engine you can get a very good car for driving that is a BMW in every way.
