BMW M140i vs VW Golf R 7.5 with Car Advice Australia 2018 *Hot Hatch* 

I find the i30n hatch way more fun that that on track

@@mharro88 Never driven an i30N on track, but I used to work at a Hyundai dealership and drove dozens of them when they were first released. They were ok, and quick round the corners, but not 'fun' in any sense of the word. Certainly couldn't get the back end out like a RWD car as they understeered on the limit. So how many M140i's have you driven on track ?

@@DjNikGnashers you haven't driven the i30n sedan then which is extremely fun. The back end kicks out and the LCD in it is better than some 100k cars. Sounds better and definitely more raw.

@@mharro88 Yes I have driven a few of them actually. I don't care about the screens (when you said LCD did you mean LSD LOLOL). They are not more raw matey, they are exactly the same as the hatch but in a slightly different body. I was a parts advisor and ordered enough parts for both to know they were almost identical underneath. They are ok cars, on a par with the Golf GTi for handling and almost as good quality interior, pretty decent to be honest. What they are not, is anything close to a powerful RWD car for fun.

Gay choice

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But even withy the extra power it still won’t catch a bmw m140i unlees the bmw drivers a wimp or its terrestrial downpour

​@@lbnewell23u know what's funny? Left driver has more better 0.5s on 0-60 LuL right driver is damn slow idk why...

Exactly the situation I am in... Deciding between M140i, S3 or Golf R. I live in London too. What did you end up doing?

Haha the UK press launch is happening this week, unfortunately I didn't get invited :-(

For a man who’s done a lot for BMW on RU-vid that’s a travesty

I'm sure Tony will lend you one when he gets some in :P

Awks how Joe praises BMW and then not to give him an invite, and you have he likes of AUDI who invite him when he doesn’t own an Audi 😂😂😂

+Joe Achilles that's very pore judgment #BMW one of your greatest you tuber advocates and they do not invite you to there press launch. Maybe time to change brands Joe, as much as it may pain you but I'm thinking ether Audi or Merc

KingSadim you are right the bmw can be tricky but even when you aren’t useful it’s full potential it’s still faster than the r

Practicality/speed/build quality in one affordable package is the reason the Golf GTI is one of the most sold hatch backs globally. BMW 1-series are great cars but cost a lot more to get the same performance, also the 1 series has less luggage space/rear bench space which could make a difference for families/people needing to carry loads. I've owned several 1 series and loved them, but could only afford the cheaper 4cyl versions. Now I own an old GTI MK5 (got it very cheap from a friend) and it is surprising how fast and spacious it is. So I think the GTI is great for the money. If someobody has the budget to get a 135/140i that would be an even better drive, but the reduced space on offer due to RWD layout is noticeable.

Do you have the manual or the DSG?

Lox Lover wow your missing out not having the 1 series and that 3ltr twin scroll turbo flat 6 rather than a dull turbo 4 but yes you are right bmw + snow = written off / not going anywhere

Rejoice Rone and they don't sell xdrive in Australia. But 99.99% of Australia never has snow.

Daniel T haha lol, sad that the new 1Series is going to be based on the Mini platform, so FWD... It's gonna loose it's identity as the only small RWD hatchback... I know BMW is doing it to cut costs dramatically but we're gonna loose a gem

Rejoice Rone Im guna keep my M135i Lci untill it rusts! For this reason.

TeacherToolkitDemo keep it bro! But a 340i touring is a really good shout imo, a bit more space and the same engine... Shud be really good, but price is really high compared to the M140i

Rejoice Rone I was looking at a 340i or a 440i last week on autotrader. Some bargains. Whatever it is its got to be petrol and be an inline 6. I will never buy a 1 series without a 6 pot.

I went from M135i LCI to 7.5R - (after testing a M140 LCI II and a few other cars) and it was the best move I've made.. no regrets.. some of the points in the video are also either Aussie centric or moot.. the infotainment system in the UK for example comes standard with the volume button (unless you upgrade it to the PRO), it's also 20 BHP more powerful and regarding fake sound - it's something the BMW has as well (active sound) - the virtual cockpit and infotainment system is light years ahead of BMW's offering.. (although BMW's has got better) - at least now their 'full panel display' stretches out a little more than a postage stamp in the bottom right hand corner of the instrument binnacle.. although their new hybrid system with actual dials is a bit marmite.. they';re both very good cars though and this is just nit picking between them... once you've been for a test drive of both - you'll get an idea of which one is right for you..

Yeah, I'm from Aussie so the points in the vid all apply to the version I'd get. I've driven both, although I need to do both back to back and go from there. I'm not really too fussed on the virtual cockpit in the R (it looks cool, but I prefer Audi's version). I think the big thing is for me is I already have a Mk 7 Golf Highline, and the interior of the new 7.5 is *mostly* the same so I wouldn't mind a bit of a change. Still, the price difference between the two is something to consider as well - you can pick up a Golf R with DAP (we get adaptive suspension standard on both models) for about 56AU, whereas the BMW price of entry is about 60-62. Not much in it, but still worth considering. Outside of the interior, how have you found the R to drive compared to the bimmer?

performance wise?.. much of a muchness to be honest.. virtually nothing noticeable between them (so much so that it didn't factor into my decision)... what did was the fact that in the BMW - i could have the traction light flickering in 3rd gear on most days without trying - despite having MPSS tyres etc.. (not something you'd likely need to consider in Aus) - but in the UK on anything other than a dry day with bone dry roads (about c95% of the time) - the BMW often struggles to put its full power down (or at least there is a delay in it doing so)... if BMW brought out the X-Drive in the Uk then it would be a LOT closer decision - (and I might even have chose the 1 over the R) - but for this country and for the performance and price point, then I don't think there is any car that is better... the latest version of the R is a great drive in all weather (including snow!! - which we've had a lot of recently!!) - ALTHOUGH - I will concede that the M135i LCI i had (even with MPSS) surprised me in the snow with the traction off... nowhere near as good as the R, but I was able to get moving and drive around in it (which wasn't the case in any other BMW I've had - pre face lift 116D MSport (with goodyear runflats), BMW Z3 2.8, BMW 3 Series etc)...

Cool, thanks for the reply. I've heard much of the same thing from other owners (although it seems that there are a few going going from Mk7 R's to the LC2 M140i since the recent price drop in AU). Where I live in Melbourne it's mostly pretty dry, but the winter can be a bit wet but probably nowhere near as bad as the UK. I think one of the major put offs for me about the M140i is the ACC - I don't have it at the moment, but from everyone I've talked to they say that in the gridlock morning traffic to work, its a godsend.

there are volumes of owners going in both directions!.. it's just down to personal preference or people wanting a change.. and yes the ACC does help in stop start traffic (but I very rarely use cruise control either - the R comes with both cruise control and speed limiter (a very handy feature!!) - the M140 only comes with limiter as standard or cruise control as an option - you can't have BOTH - which is also a minor annoyance I had with it!)...

3 years later - how have/did you find the M140i? Picked mine up yesterday

@@oweng6154 It was great. I loved it, but I ended up upgrading to an M2 competition.

Good to hear. Enjoying mine so far also. Good choice with the upgrade, enjoy!

Dave Tomley Thanks!

BMW Fast in straight line ? Butnot narrow twisty stuff that could be other than bone dry.

keith morris you sir, are clearly 1. Not clever 2. Not a petrolhead

ZenGamer97 3- has never driven a M140i xdrive.

Rayaan Shaikh Golf 8 R will be a 3L v6 Twinturbo with around 400 HP... that is going to be interesting

Dokepredator It's not. It'll still be a 2.0l 4 pot but with 320-340hp.

Rayaan Shaikh nope, allready the biggest GTI will have 320 HP

@@Dokepredator Well you were wrong. I wonder where you got your information from

roads are terrible here unfortunately!

Only if you can't drive.

If both the drivers were exactly the same the Golf R is alot more capable and even you should know that

LOTS of people can't drive, and LOTS of people that can't drive, buy performance cars.

When you think how often you might find yourself in an M140 and not being able to catch-up to another car (including the Golf R), and compare that to the better thrills and fun you’ll have every time you drive an m140, I’ll take that over the Golf R any day of the week.

nas h not true

The BMW i6 Turbo engines (N54, N55, B58 & S55) are held back in all markets. No where near their limits. P.S I have a E92 N54 335i running between 400 - 450bhp with simple boltons and a tune.

hmmmmm: www.motormag.com.au/news/1711/volkswagen-golf-r-7-5-targets-sub-3sec-0-100km-h

i couldn't agree more. use your vbox and do a 0-60 and 1/4 mile in the x. i've seen 1/4 miles in 12.3 but no 0-60s. how close to the rs3????

Unfortunately i do not have access to a vbox however i did a couple of 0-60 runs using a timer and it did a consistent 4.4

ok i know not every test is exactly the same but if you look up car and driver one of the usa's largest car magazines they did a test with an m240i automatic and got 4.3. i'm sure they could do better with an x-drive. the s3 was slower and the rs3 was faster. what i'd really like to see is a drag race (same time, same conditions) between an rs3 and an m240ix-drive. the difference in price in canada is $12,000 but i'm sure the speeds are closer than that..?..

Bob nothing sits with the RS3 unless it has been tuned. Especially the 2018 model 400bhp stock engine

It's because most BMWs are RWD and need large rotors to help with traction control, fronts are still more powerful due to larger 4 pot calipers (in the m140/240 case) Cheers

It's the shit Aussie version that's why. UK Spec hitting that time trust.

Talk about detuned. The horsepower gap of 18ish should not equate to almost a 1/2 second lost to 60.

Jamalogo10 the torque is detuned too

I went into the comparison liking both of these cars - but the BMW is hard to look past. With that said, the Golf R is superior in some areas...like in the wet!

Paul Maric wet roads the M140 becomes a lot more fun to drive with the RWD yeah it won’t be as fast with a wet road but it becomes a lot more fun

OscarWithC yes. It's not an M2, which is more finely tuned. This is M Performance.

I said the Golf was a better all round package?

We've done 0-100km/h before in the Golf R (in fact, the exact car in this video) and it came in at 4.6 seconds. So when we did this comparison I was convinced it'd smoke the BMW. BUT, we shot the video on a hot day (about 34 degrees Celsius) and we were two up in the car (both Joe and I). So even with launch control, the Golf R was slightly slower to 100km/h - it shows you that it needs absolutely ideal conditions to hit that figure.

Latvietis96 - Although you forget to mention anywhere else around the world, the Golf R has 310bhp which the Aussie version only has 285bhp, so already disadvantaged. It would have done it in 4.6 seconds, officially. Infact some guys on the VWROC forum have had their facelift Golf R's put on a rolling road and they are producing around 326bhp stock. It's no wonder looking at some RU-vid reviews around that the Golf R with DSG has been known to do 0-62 quicker than the official time.

It's mentioned in the video. I also mentioned in the previous post that we've achieved the quoted time with the car, but it's clear that it doesn't like heat and then adding passengers places it at a performance disadvantage.

Dean I think it’s the same case for the M140i regarding rated power. BMW have this car rated at a lot less than what they put out on the dyno as some people have already done this and it’s proven to be the case

Oops I didn't read the previous posts re times queries